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#2609669 Babcock says good-bye in full page ad. SIAP

Posted by gcom007 on Today, 11:20 AM

Here's the tearful final presser 

 

 

Class act to the end. I didn't have hard feelings before, all the more so now. Best of luck to him moving forward when he's not playing us.




#2609642 Coaching Search Thread a.k.a. the Jeff Blashill Thread

Posted by gcom007 on Today, 10:35 AM

I don't think we need to land a top guy.  We've already got Kronwall.  We just need to upgrade, where possible. 

 

Look at Tampa Bay's defense.  Yzerman was criticized pretty heavily for wrapping up so much money in non-impact defensemen like Carle, Stralman, Garrison, and Coburn.  None of those guys are really "top guys", but collectively they're better than any other alternative Tampa had.  And they're playing good enough to win. 

 

Exactly. I've been over the idea of getting a top guy for a long while. I'd much rather have a more well-rounded whole, and it's a much more accessible goal. 




#2609638 Coaching Search Thread a.k.a. the Jeff Blashill Thread

Posted by gcom007 on Today, 10:08 AM

This. x1,000,000,000. 

 

I asked earlier in this thread, "How did Blash use Weiss in his conditioning stints with GR?"

I wonder solely because, maybe Weiss gets a chance under Blash the way he didn't with Babcock...

I mean, the guy did have some bright spots, some glimpses of his former self, and they were quickly buried*

 

*Maybe deservedly. I don't really remember exactly how it all went down, but I have hopes for the guy. 

I hope he gets another chance and I hope he can show he's still a capable second line center. 

I'm not saying HE IS.  I'm saying I hope he gets another chance at it and somehow pulls it off.

 

I tend to hope he might get a chance and find a place here still as well, but I wouldn't be shocked if they ship him out this summer if at all possible. As I think I said before, if he was benched as long as he was, as often as he was, and in the playoffs, clearly Babcock wasn't the only one in the organization who had lost faith in him. Babcock didn't make decisions by himself, and wasn't it said that Holland was trying to move him at the deadline? I think if Holland has the opportunity to move him this summer, he will. Whether he has anything left in him at this point remains to be seen, but it's hard to imagine the Wings taking that gamble again next year if they can find a way to not have to.


I am very excited to see what Blashill can do with this team. But what I am most excited about is there are no guarantees where players will line up on the roster... Will Ericsson remain on the top pair? Will Smith get a look on the power-play? Will Weiss have a chance at the 2nd line center spot? Will Jurco be in the top 6(9)? Will Pulkkinen be utilized better in the offensive zone (left side faceoff circle), Will Abdelkader / Helm remain in the top 6 (not necessarily saying they shouldn't...)? Will Ferraro / Callahan get a look on the 4th line? A lot of question marks... Going to be an exciting training camp. Can't wait!!!

 

This, but I really, really, really hope Holland does something on defense this summer so the idea of E on the top pairing isn't even a possibility. We're not going to land a top guy, but I have to hope we can land someone better than E...

 

And as much as I don't like E, I'd be more tolerant of him if he were in a different role on this team.

 

Smith is definitely going to get a look on the power play. He's had issues, sure, but he's still young. No way his time will run out here before he gets more opportunities.




#2609627 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by gcom007 on Today, 09:23 AM

 

If that were the case then Toronto wouldn't have had to so massively overpay him for the pleasure.  Hell, they could have offered roughly the same money as Detroit and been confident he'd come to Toronto because they could offer him all the "intangible" things Detroit coudn't.  They could have offered him immortality.  Legacy.  Prestige.  Greatness. 

 

But it wasn't about any of that.  They had to massively outbid everybody because otherwise Babcock wouldn't have gone there.  They didn't give him that money out of the kindness of their hearts, and he didn't ask for it just for s***s and giggles. 

 

It wasn't about winning, or family, or anything else.  Eventually, as these things often do, it all came down to cash.  Lidstrom stayed with the Wings for less.  So did Datsyuk.  And Zetterberg.  And Kronwall.  Because they wanted to win here.

 

Babcock didn't. 

 

Sure, it was about cash. If you get offered a deal like that, it obviously becomes about cash. But Buffalo had a similar deal on the table as well, and it's been said that the figure Babcock signed for is the figure that was first presented. They're desperate teams who have to make desperate offers to get his attention. If he wasn't in it on some level for the challenge, and honestly an unparalleled challenge at that, he could've gone to Buffalo and gotten paid the same, and most likely been able to get to winning quicker with a lot less pain from the media and fans. But he chose Toronto, I believe because there's no other opportunity like it in hockey, and because by all appearances, they seem to be making a commitment to rebuilding the team the right way at last. And yes, because of the cash. And the length of the contract. Even Holland mentioned a sticking point with the Wings was how long they were willing to go.

 

And let's go there for a second. Babcock has been here ten years now. If he had signed even the 4-year deal and lasted the length of it, he'd have the second longest tenure in NHL history for a head coach at 14 years. Jack Adams had the longest at 20 between 1927-1947. There are a handful of guys who did 13 years, though no one has done a single term that long in almost 20 years. Simply put, it's hardly unusual for coaches to jump to new teams. Whether as much cash was on the table or not, there's a much higher likelihood than not that Babcock would've moved on now or at some point in the near future. It's the nature of the position, and it's why I don't think it's fair or accurate to say this is only about cash.

 

Babcock knew his time was going to be coming to an end here soon enough, and he was at a noteworthy milestone, not just in his career, but in his family life. If ever there was a time to make a change, it's now. When you get offered a deal like he was offered, that obviously is going to help motivate you to make said change. When it's an opportunity to help rebuild a legendary team with management that finally seems committed to doing it right, that's obviously going to be exciting to him. Was the cash a part of it? Absolutely. But to suggest that his decision was solely about the cash is utterly and completely simplistic.




#2609418 Coaching Search Thread a.k.a. the Jeff Blashill Thread

Posted by gcom007 on Yesterday, 01:24 PM

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Couldn't restrain myself. Last one.




#2609407 Coaching Search Thread a.k.a. the Jeff Blashill Thread

Posted by gcom007 on Yesterday, 01:06 PM

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Does this compensate for the lack of legs in the one picture?




#2609399 Coaching Search Thread a.k.a. the Jeff Blashill Thread

Posted by gcom007 on Yesterday, 12:52 PM

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#2609346 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by gcom007 on Yesterday, 11:07 AM

how long until toronto fans are offering him back to us? :P

 

I'd say February, but if I'm being realistic, December... :lol:




#2609337 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by gcom007 on Yesterday, 10:37 AM

Buffalo media going HARD at Babcock hard during this presser. 

Essentially calling him a liar who had committed to the Sabres and only used the negotiations as leverage to up the Toronto deal. 

 

He didn't take too kindly to being called a "liar."

 

I don't blame him. Buffalo has every right to be disappointed, but man oh man, they sound so obnoxious right now.


I thought I read once that NHL contracts all use US dollars as a common basis.  


Would you?

 

I was wondering this yesterday. It seems like they'd have to do this, especially given the cap and all, but I wasn't sure.




#2609322 Coaching Search Thread a.k.a. the Jeff Blashill Thread

Posted by gcom007 on Yesterday, 09:53 AM

 

But it's really, super duper, convenient for his argument.  Will you reconsider?

 

And what the f*** is my argument again? Are you suggesting that I don't think we should hire Blashill, because it isn't even remotely true.


I wasn't saying blashill will single handedly bring the cup back right away or anything. Just that he seems like an obvious hire. He's worked with/helped develop half the roster, give or take, and from what the players are saying he seems like a relatable guy. Plus, he clearly wants to be here or he would've left last off season. Sure, I think he can find long term success here and I'm sure there will be some bumps in the road but, there's no better option out there imo. That's all I was saying.

 

I agree with this. 




#2609320 Coaching Search Thread a.k.a. the Jeff Blashill Thread

Posted by gcom007 on Yesterday, 09:49 AM

There is nothing even remotely similar about Jeff Blashill and Dave Lewis.  They both took over for successful coaches.  That's it.  Trying to make a comparison between the two is absurd. 

 

It's possible that Jeff Blashill will fail.  We all get that.  It's the EXACT same possibility that every coach has in his first year behind the bench in the NHL.  It's the same possibility that Scott Bowman had, Mike Babcock had, Joe Quenneville had.  We get it. 

 

Blashill has as good, or better, qualifications than any of these guys did prior to their first NHL head coaching gig.  Better than Bylsma.  Better than McLellan.  Better than Cooper, Eakins, Boucher, too. 

 

And most importantly, better than  Dave Lewis.  

 

Could he fail?  Sure.  Does the information we have overwhelmingly point toward the opposite outcome?  Absolutely.   

 

I never said we should hire any of the other guys. I added to the criticism of the idea of hiring Bylsma in the other thread.

 

As for the Dave Lewis comment, read what I quoted again and tell me again that it sounds nothing like what was said of Dave Lewis back in the day. If you've forgotten, read up or ask someone else who remembers.

 

Again...

 

I was thinking the same thing. All the player quotes in that article make it sound like blashill is more relatable and less intimidating than Babcock and players respect him just as much. Blashill is about as obvious of a hire as it gets.

 

My point wasn't to say that he's going to be as bad as Lewis was at all so much as stuff like that isn't indicative of what necessarily makes someone a great NHL coach. People said a lot of the same stuff about Lewis having a better and more open relationship with the players back in the day, and it did nothing to help him ultimately.

 

I went on to say that I hope Blashill proves the exception on that front!

 

I'm just trying to be a bit more objective and patient than some are around here. We've had people suggesting here that he's going to turn this team into champions again in no time flat, that he'll win coach of the year next year, that he'll get more out of our prospects in the NHL than Babcock did, etc... Very few people are acknowledging the fact that he has zero NHL head coaching experience, nor are they acknowledging the fact that there's no tougher league than the NHL to have success in.

 

Blashill's done enough to earn his chance, and he has a great pedigree, and we have reason to be hopeful about him. But he still has proven jack-s*** at the NHL level, and until he does, we might be wise to temper our expectations. Again, I say this in light of much of what I'm reading on here that I pointed out in the previous paragraph. You suggest that everyone knows he could fail, but you sure wouldn't know it by the general consensus that seems to be forming around here.




#2609305 Coaching Search Thread a.k.a. the Jeff Blashill Thread

Posted by gcom007 on Yesterday, 08:55 AM

I was thinking the same thing. All the player quotes in that article make it sound like blashill is more relatable and less intimidating than Babcock and players respect him just as much. Blashill is about as obvious of a hire as it gets.

 

They said similar things about Dave Lewis too. How'd that work out?

 

We can find a lot of reasons to help us believe this will or won't work out, but we aren't going to really know until he gets up here and has some real NHL experience. It's a whole different experience than anything he's done before. He may be great, he may be awful. What's more likely is that he'll struggle and grow and perhaps eventually be great. In any event though, we as fans would be wise to manage our expectations so as to avoid disappointment and possibly some knee-jerk reactions if the guy stumbles a bit early on.


And believe me, I'd love to see a nice guy win and a different, more friendly methodology work, just to kill a bit of the idea that you have to be a cold, distant boss who plays mind games to be a winning coach. So I'm rooting for him, and I'm optimistic, but again, we'd do well to try to manage our expectations early on.




#2609206 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by gcom007 on 20 May 2015 - 07:06 PM

I'm sorry but it really doesn't work like that. People wanted Mrazek because he looks to actually be better than Howard. People want Blashill because he actually looks to be one of the better options.

 

I'm not denying that fans will say stuff like that in some situations, but this clearly isn't a case of that and it seems kinda lazy and ignorant to reduce everybody's analysis of those situations (including Babs in regard to Mrazek and Holland in regard to Blashill) to "We WaNtZ tHE BAcKUP!!!" It's just not the case.

 

I'm not even talking about Mrazek really, because I don't really consider him a backup goalie, and he really wasn't supposed to be the backup goalie. Just about everyone knows he's the starter of the future, it's just a matter of when that future really begins. He's no backup.

 

And I absolutely think it's a bit like that with Blashill still. I'm not saying he's lousy, but people are getting way too ahead of themselves about a guy with zero experience as a head coach in the NHL. Again, I'm not saying he's going to be bad, not at all. But people are acting like he's going to come in and run this team better than Babcock has. Maybe he will, but one of these guys in this comparison has a Stanley Cup and has won more games as a Red Wings coach than any other Red Wing coach in history. The other has never coached a game in the NHL as a head coach.

 

It's one thing to hope for the best and be optimistic, it's another thing to assume that in Blashill's first year he's going to outdo Babcock, a coach who's arguably viewed as one of the best in the game if not the best.




#2608995 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by gcom007 on 20 May 2015 - 01:36 PM

 

What has Bylsma proven? He got a cup in 09 for taking over a team in February that got hot at the right time. After that he has proven to be able to take a loaded roster and get ousted in the first and 2nd rounds of the playoffs. Lets not forgot Babs was far from a proven coach when hired and that worked out well.

 

And hell, he barely got that Cup. If Detroit was slightly more healthy that year, we would've smoked the Penguins. They were lucky, we weren't.




#2608965 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by gcom007 on 20 May 2015 - 01:24 PM

I am not going to be the one to start it, but someone start a thread about what you want to see out of a Blashill run Red Wings team!

 

I for sure look forward to NOT seeing Abby and Helm in the top 6! Oh, and E in the top 2!

 

Abby was fine in the top 6 this year. But Helm, yeah, I definitely agree.