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#2564222 Jimmy Howard.......All-Star!

Posted by gcom007 on 18 January 2015 - 01:37 PM

I agree. I wonder if we could trade the Monster. His injury woes would probably get in the way of that, but there has been some desperate teams and he's got last year's record to show teams.


Highly unlikely given his injuries, and ultimately unnecessary. He's still a good backup when healthy, and once Howard's back, it's going to do Mrazek no favors to have him in a straight backup role, so they'll send him back down to GR to get more starts. If they want him as the backup in the playoffs, they'll have him. 

#2564220 Jimmy Howard.......All-Star!

Posted by gcom007 on 18 January 2015 - 01:29 PM

It isn't Howard vs. Mrazek... not yet. Why would you ship out a competent starting goaltender for an unproven 22-year old? That's just awful judgement. There's ZERO goalie controversy right now between the two of them. If anything, the question is "do we keep Petr up and waive Gustavsson?", which I don't think they'll do.

Gustavsson is gone next season - Mrazek will be up with the team full-time. They likely split the season in the 50-60 for Howard, 20-30 range for Mrazek next year. The 2016 off-season, Mrazek gets paid like a back-up for (hopefully) 2-3 seasons. At that point, you start comparing the two guys. You've got two years left on Howard's deal at that point, and in that time frame, you find out who is your starter. You don't simply toss a rookie goaltender into the starting spot in this situation - Detroit's in a great position in goal right now. You let Mrazek earn the #1 spot over time... not over 4-5 games.


It's a nice idea, but I don't know if it'll fly in the cap world given Howard's age and contract length. In the 2016 off-season, you've still got three years left on Howard's contract, not two.


For better or for worse, we know Babcock isn't afraid to go with the goalie that's winning, and if Mrazek comes up and outplays Howard, which he might be capable of, he's going to get a lot of starts. I do think he'll be given an opportunity to win a starting role next year in an A/B situation, and I don't think they'd let him go in the playoffs unless he's out of this world, it could end up being Howard's last chance to stay a Wing.


The way I see it, unless Howard wins a Cup in the next couple years, he's going to be trade bait after next season if Mrazek ends up looking ready to be an NHL starter next year. That doesn't mean I think they'll absolutely trade Howard in the 2016 off-season, but I think that'll be the point where he becomes a piece that's on the table. Ideally, you'd have him around the next year as well as insurance for Mrazek, but realistically, he's priced too high to be a backup in the cap world, and he's likely too old to wait to trade him until he only has a year or two left on his contract.


Mrazek may not have the NHL experience yet to make this an open and shut case, but Howard doesn't have the playoff experience to cement his status here either. I'd honestly love to see it happen, as I like Howard a lot and think he's capable and I think this team is capable of making a real stink this year or next. But if he can't do it and Mrazek continues to play strong when given the opportunity, it's really tough to justify keeping Howard at his cap hit when he's about the only player we have that has serious value on the trade market.

#2564216 1/17 GDT : Predators 2 at Red Wings 5

Posted by gcom007 on 18 January 2015 - 01:05 PM

I wasn't worried about a goaltending drop off with Mrazek, but I'm still glad to see that he's giving me plenty of reasons to be confident in him. The kid looks great.


I don't think losing Rinne and losing Howard are the same thing, especially with Mrazek in net, but a win is a win and to get one this big against a team like Nashville this year, even without Rinne, is no small thing.


Anyone who thinks this Red Wings team can't go toe to toe with just about any team in the league this year is misinformed.

#2563900 arizona in full rebuild officialy (insider trading)

Posted by gcom007 on 17 January 2015 - 02:09 PM

The universe will not allow the Red Wings to acquire Yandle before he is 35. Fact.

#2563349 Could the Wings be better off trading Pav & Hank for draft picks?

Posted by gcom007 on 15 January 2015 - 02:46 PM



And this team has potential.

#2562917 MLive : Howard out at least 2-4 weeks with "slight groin tear"

Posted by gcom007 on 13 January 2015 - 07:34 PM

There are a lot of "if's" in there. "If Mrazek proves he's ready", "If Mrazek is at least as good as Howard". My point is that you don't trade a top goalie in the world, and replace him with a relatively unproven prospect. If you're not one of the people that were saying trade Howard before this season even started, then I guess my last post wasn't directed at you.


I'm as big a fan of Mrazek as anyone, but I'm not ready to hand over the reigns just yet. He still has a ton to prove at the NHL level. I think he will get there. We'll have a better idea after these next few weeks, and I'm personally looking forward to see what the kid got.


I absolutely was not one of those people. I think it's a situation that will need to be sorted out in the next 1-2 years. That's where I've stood on the issue for awhile. There's a lot of "ifs" there, and there's also a pretty reasonable timeline to sort out those "ifs." I'm definitely not ready to hand over the keys at this point either.


But if Mrazek is as good as people think he's going to be, the sooner we get him rolling as the starter, the better, because they're most likely going to have to decide on Howard or Mrazek in the next couple years, and Mrazek is a lot younger. I think a lot of people forget that though Howard hasn't been in the league for that many years, he didn't even make the team until he was 25. If you recall, he was at the end of his development rope and in a "now or never" situation heading into camp. Subsequently, he's going to be 31 this year. I'm not saying he's old, but if you want a chance to get some value for him in a trade, the move needs to be done sooner rather than later.

#2562857 MLive : Howard out at least 2-4 weeks with "slight groin tear"

Posted by gcom007 on 13 January 2015 - 02:41 PM

Exactly Euro_Twins. Those of you clamoring for Howard to be traded now, it simply is not going to happen. Howard isn't going anywhere any time soon. If anything, Mrazek would be the one that Holland would trade at this point. If I HAD to trade one right now, I would think long and hard, before ultimately keeping the proven goaltender and trading the very good prospect. I would do so, knowing I may regret it, but you cannot put all your faith into a goalie with just 20 NHL games under his belt. Lucky for us, we still have plenty of time to sort this out. If all goes well, maybe after a couple seasons of Mrazek backing up and another season or so of shared duty, we can then shop Howard, although I still wouldn't be shocked if Holland opted to keep his veteran goaltender...


I didn't say now, I said in the next year or two. A year or two makes for an exceedingly different story. Howard has four more seasons on his deal at a relatively heavy cap hit after this season. If Mrazek plays strong this season and comes in next year in a backup role and continues to play up to snuff with Howard, I don't think Howard's sticking around unless Howard win's a Cup this year or next.


And bear in mind, when push comes to shove, he hasn't proven much in the post-season yet. He's lost more games than he's won, doesn't have stellar numbers, and while you can't single-handedly fault him for our playoff failures as of late, he has yet to perform in the playoffs as well as he's performed in the regular season when he's been on. And that said, he's absolutely had some inconsistent regular seasons in a not so long career.


I'm not saying I don't like Howard nor am I saying that I don't think he's capable of leading this team to a Cup. I think he's a very good goalie and I honestly do like him a lot. But realistically speaking, he doesn't have anything close to a strong playoff resume yet, and if he doesn't get one soon, he's going to be in a position where he's expendable if Mrazek proves he's ready to be the number one guy.


If Mrazek is at least as good as Howard, and many think he'll be better, there's just no way you can justify keeping Howard into his mid-30s given his cap hit unless Howard becomes a Stanley Cup winning goalie in the next 1-2 years. (And again, to be clear, I do believe that's possible.)

2-4 weeks means 2-4 months right?


I'll be pleasantly surprised if he's back in a month.

#2562788 Franzen on IR

Posted by gcom007 on 12 January 2015 - 11:41 PM


I would gladly take Hossa's slightly higher cap hit when you factor in everything else he does that makes him worth more money than Franzen. Hossa is an elite two-way forward. He has obviously slowed down some from six years ago, but so has his counterpart. Even if it cost the Wings another player or two, we are still talking about Marian Hossa. He scored 40 goals and the Wings haven't had anyone hit 30 since. 


Imagine Hossa for all these years on Pavel's wing instead of Bertuzzi, Abdelkader, Helm, etc. It would have completely changed the dynamic of the team. 


Absolutely. He's a player you build teams around. He's going to make the guys around him better and set a great example. He would've been a tremendous asset to this team and I truly believe it would've made for a much smoother last four years. Having another guy like Hossa in the lineup, especially on a team like the Wings, sets a tone and raises the bar of what's expected out of guys, and you can never have enough of that kind of energy. If you can land a guy who brings that to a team, you do what you have to in order to make it happen. Furthermore, he raises the profile of the team, and makes it all the more likely that we'll be on players radars when we're trying to cut deals in the future. 


The most frustrating part of that situation was that we really would've had one year of cap hell. One. Everyone knew the cap was going to keep going up and we were going to have more room to breathe moving forward. All we had to do was find a way to make it work for one year and we've got another elite two-way player on our team for the length of his career. And hell, if anything, it would've been a double blessing as we would've been forced us to move some clunky pieces for something as opposed to losing them for nothing as eventually happened, with no major benefits gained from keeping them around.


But for the love, I've seen a lot of dumb stuff posted on here, but suggesting that Franzen is a better value than Hossa based off of points per game relative to cap hit is seriously one of the more absurd and utterly simplistic suggestions I've seen made on here.

#2562716 Mixed Feelings - Shea Weber whoops Matt Cooke

Posted by gcom007 on 12 January 2015 - 05:17 PM

I'm over the Zetterberg thing. Have been for years. Don't really care.


That said, I have to say that fight was underwhelming.

#2562675 Franzen on IR

Posted by gcom007 on 12 January 2015 - 01:48 PM


This has to be sarcasm, right? The only playoff beast mode Francine gets into anymore (since 2009) is the beast of dump he takes on the ice when "plays."  Can we not get rid of this albatross already?


I got a new sig idea "Johan Franzen, prooving Leftwinger right since Summer 2009..." :ninja:


I know Hossa is really outscoring Francine this season, but man what a dumb ass choice that was! That goes down in history with the Ferderko and McKegney acquistions!


I am still so, so, so bitter about letting Hossa go. It was a colossally idiotic decision.

#2562673 MLive : Howard out at least 2-4 weeks with "slight groin tear"

Posted by gcom007 on 12 January 2015 - 01:47 PM

This is pretty damn bad. Howard was having a Vezina season and now we need to rely on Mrazek for at least a month?? (Howard will be longer than 2 weeks trust me). Were you guys watching the game on Saturday? The book is already out on Mrazek, The guy is so incredibly aggresive other teams know to wait him out and be patient. This is really horrible news. Where the hell is Gustavsson?


And that's not something they can rather easily fix? He'll mature. Relax. There's a reason why a lot of smart people believe he's our goalie of the future.

#2562558 Jimmy Howard.......All-Star!

Posted by gcom007 on 11 January 2015 - 09:44 PM

For the record, I have total faith in Mrazek.


I'm honestly really excited about Mrazek getting an opportunity to be the starter. I was honestly hoping he would get a chance at some point this season in some ways. That's not to say I hoped Howard got injured, but injuries happen, and if it did, I was hoping they would use it as an opportunity to really give Mrazek more of an opportunity. I also figured that might be likely because Gus isn't always healthy either, so it just seemed like it was a reasonable possibility...


And what do you know...


But yeah, I'm pretty excited. I think Mrazek is likely to surprise some people, and as I said before, I don't think the quality of goaltending is going to drop severely. Howard's been having a great year, but Mrazek is more than capable of winning games and will no doubt continue to improve the more starts he gets. He's clearly a confident goalie, if anything maybe too confident at times, but ultimately, that'll serve him well. This is a great opportunity for him and for the team to see where he's really at.

#2562031 Osgood circa 2008 *Mod Advisory @ #18*

Posted by gcom007 on 09 January 2015 - 02:29 PM

When you've been a member of this site for almost 10 years, you can just sniff this stuff out. Plus LGW is just part of my daily routine. I just don't feel compelled to post very often.


I wouldn't either if I was stuck with your user name next to everything I wrote.

#2561803 Osgood circa 2008 *Mod Advisory @ #18*

Posted by gcom007 on 08 January 2015 - 12:36 PM

He was absolutely great in 2008. Two shutouts to start the finals against that Pittsburgh offense speaks for itself, great team in front of him or not. 


But I actually thought he was better on an individual level in the 2009 playoffs, despite putting up worse stats. When you consider how well he played despite having to play behind a very battered team that even lost Lidstrom for some games, I think there's no way he wouldn't have won the Conn Smythe had we beaten Pittsburgh. 

#2561793 Nyquist Fined for Diving/Embellishment

Posted by gcom007 on 08 January 2015 - 12:21 PM


Agreed.  We're not talking about someone like Maltby who would try to get people to punch him in the face.  This is some of the Wings top players who are diving. 


Man, I miss Maltby sometimes...sometimes I think Kirk Maltby is my spirit animal.