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Posted by gcom007 on 21 April 2012 - 12:28 PM
Posted by gcom007 on 20 April 2012 - 11:24 PM
I fail to see how this should warrant a suspension or fine. Kind of overreacting here guys.
It's an unsportsmanlike play and could have drawn an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty, but that's about it.
If I'm a Wings fan, I'm pissed. If I'm a Preds fan, I'm laughing. But I'm neither...so I'm just impressed that he was able to get away with it.
I'm a Wings fan and I'm laughing. I'm right with you. Anyone who wants to make this into a bigger deal is just throwing punches underwater. We got beat and some. This little play had absolutely no bearing on the fact that Nashville was the better team and bound to win this series.
Posted by gcom007 on 17 April 2012 - 11:56 PM
Guys, don't give up on your team. You have every right to be worried and feeling bad about the future of this series, but for god's sake son! Don't give up on your team!
I don't know how some of you can do it, obviously I think our chances of taking this series are slim, but I can't get myself to just count us out.
I haven't given up on my team, I've just given up on 2012.
Posted by gcom007 on 17 April 2012 - 11:43 PM
I agree. And Howard played amazing for most of the season prior to being injured. However, that doesn't change or excuse the fact that he has not merely been outplayed by a superior goaltender, but been another layer of soft on an increasing easier team to beat. Simple way to tell how the goaltending his doing, GAA or SV% aside: when you see a decent chance for the opposition developing, do you expect a save or a goal? Every chance Nashville has had this season I have grown to expect in the back of the net, and he hasn't proven me wrong yet.
Howard is not the number one issue on this team, but he is a player that should be playing a great deal better. The Wings were never going to score bushels of goals on Rinne. This series was going to be attrition, but what does allowing 3(4) goals on considerably less shots do for a gameplan that came in expecting few goals against a superior goaltender?
Maybe referencing anything from 2008 with this year's team is flawed from the start, but the same thing happened in the series against Nashville then. Ellis was playing absolutely lights out. The Wings carried territorial play, but every single scoring chance the Preds had, they buried on Hasek. Game 5, Osgood comes in and battles Ellis in a game of attrition. Even after the Preds scored with the goalie pulled at the end, Osgood managed to win 2-1. That year, when the Wings weren't starting on time or sagging with a lead, Osgood stopped the puck. When chances happened I expected him to save them. That's the simple difference.
I mean, I'll give you that he hasn't been playing at the level you expect your goalie to be at in the playoffs. Maybe it's injuries or maybe he is struggling in these odd, lopsided affairs which find him seeing no shots for long stretches followed up by an odd-man rush out of nowhere thanks to blown coverage. But he's playing no worse than anyone else (though at times much better) and maybe that's part of the problem too. Everyone's focus just seems off. Everyone seems frazzled. I don't feel like high shot totals is ever a good sign for this team, because it often means that we're scrambling and less focused on quality and more on quantity, sheerly out of desperation and blind hope for a fluke. But anyways, with so many problems up front and likely in the locker room, perhaps it's just wearing off on Howard as well.
Any way you shake it, top to bottom, these Wings don't look like a playoff team. There's just not a lot of poise, and the desperation looks far too frantic as opposed to, I don't know, focused insatiable hunger perhaps? No one on this team has figured out how to push them over the top yet. Still tough for me to fault Howard. I think he may be a bit off from what he's capable of, but I do think he's capable of it, and I wouldn't be shocked if he rose to the occasion when the rest of the team did as well.
In my mind though, absolutely no goalie would carry this team of skaters to the Cup at this point. I don't care who it is from what era, this TEAM has far too many issues to make a Cup run.
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Posted by gcom007 on 17 April 2012 - 10:45 PM
Did Holland know Hudler would say "f*** off" and take more money from the KHL? In that case YES, Holland made a mistake, otherwise, I think his choice was justified by the numbers Huds and Filp had that post season
In my mind, who the hell cares? If I'm Holland and I've got a chance to sign one of the top players in the game who's a phenomenal asset and team player in every regard who desperately wants to be here for a $5 million cap hit, the last thing I'm thinking about is Jirif****** Hudler. There's a run on sentence for your asses.
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Posted by gcom007 on 17 April 2012 - 10:35 PM
I'ld take two great players over one super awesome player any day. Good thing you picked Huds and Mule, they strengthen my argument. Those two were the two top goal scorers on the team this year. Plus, look at Dats. Pasha is arguably the greatest player on the ice, but he is part of a TEAM. If the chemistry isnt right, it doesnt matter how good a single player is. (check how the Wings did in the '09 playoffs, Hossa was behind Hank, Franzen, Lids, and Filp in points, and was 10th on the roster for +/-)
Hossa was a harder worker than just about anyone on the team in his time here. He hustled like few guys in the entire game and had phenomenal two-way presence because of it. On top of that, he's a bonafide superstar.
And he really, really, really wanted to be here and turned down a lot of money and security to even get a chance at one year.
I would build a team around a guy like that any day over a floater like Franzen and a guy who peaced out to Russia for money.
Posted by gcom007 on 17 April 2012 - 10:03 PM
with his lucky ass goal? Mule should spend less time focusing on hisf****** commericals and more time on actually playing hockey. Glad we kept him over a hard working two way player like Hossa, brilliant move Holland....
I will never forgive Holland for letting Hossa walk.
Posted by gcom007 on 03 November 2011 - 11:48 PM
This is not a bad thing. We've seen a lot of success over the last 10 years despite many pieces of the previous foundation moving on. When you can rest with that kind of confidence and continue to be successful, it's very easy to develop a sense of pride over the whole matter. And why shouldn't we (or "they" when referring to management)? Our resilience is something to be proud of. Loyalty is something to be proud of. The simple act of not succumbing to the emotions that lead to panic is something to be proud of.
And many of us are quite proud. Many of us do indeed take a great deal of pride in our steady insistence that things will work out in the end. And again, with this team's success even in the many years we failed to win the Stanley Cup, we've been faced with little reason to question our stance. After all, even when things don't quite work out perfectly, there are far worse positions to take up than those in which one's enslaved to ever-fickle emotions.
It's occurred to me though more and more over the course of the last couple seasons, just as a hint in the back of my head, that my pride was served up with a larger and larger dose of a little something known as complacency. It's become less about confidence in my beliefs and more about having any beliefs at all. And if I were to be honest, I'd say that it's clouded my perspective on things in certain situations. But as this off-season came and went and lead into this season, it's gotten harder and harder to sit here and rattle off any variation of the line "we'll be fine down the stretch." Even though a large part of me still believes that to be true on some level, an increasingly larger part of me is looking at this team with a desire to skip the stock lines and the filters and call it exactly how I see it.
What I simply cannot deny seeing at this point is an organization that's run down, more than a bit off the path and still desperately trying to rest on it's laurels. I see management that looks more complacent and timid than truly prideful and confident. I see a lot of players that are familiar faces that I've grown to like, but they're becoming known more and more for their face and less and less for what they're doing on the ice. And as for the coaches, it's been a bit of a revolving door, but from what Babcock's said about the players and management over the last couple years, I can't help but think that he's truly aware of what the problems are and what needs to happen, but he can't force Ken Holland to make a move nor the players to shoot the puck more.
Still, all factors considered, the Detroit Red Wings organization has become a comfortable, functional mess.
How do I know that that's the plain, simple truth? I'm not upset about it at all. I'm more bored than angry. I can't even muster up the frustration level enough to feel annoyed. And I can't sit here and tell myself that I haven't been thinking this more and more each day over the last couple of years.
So what am I getting at? I'm not entirely sure. I don't know exactly what needs to happen. But it's getting to the point where I can't tell if it's pride based on a somewhat-objective sense of confidence or just plain stupidity when I try to tell myself and others that Franzen will pick it up "down the stretch." And what I've realized though is that it doesn't matter either way. The fact that it's a question says it all and there are too many questions just like that one right now with this organization.
It's still great to be loyal and stalwart and it's still silly to be impulsive and impatient. I'll never say otherwise, but perhaps what is most important is that you also have to be able to adapt to changing times. Adaptability is everything. To do so, you don't need to be impulsive, but you do need to be agile. You have to balance loyalty with objectivity. You have to step out into the darkness and take some chances to gamble a bit, knowing full well that sometimes you win, but sometimes you lose. That's life. In either circumstance, adaptability is still everything. "Survival of the fittest" has far less to do with strength than it has to do with adaptability.
I have no trade possibilities to offer. I don't even know if trades are truly what we need right now or the best choice in the current landscape. I don't know if Datsyuk or Zetterberg should play together or be split up, or if Z's back is or isn't hampering or bound to eventually hamper his effectiveness. I don't know if we can trust that Franzen will or won't become a consistent scoring threat again.
All I know is that when pride devolves into complacency, you stop moving forward and making progress and you begin digging your grave.
I can't take pride in beliefs for the sake of beliefs or positivity of the sake of positivity.
I take pride in objectivity.
I take pride in aiming to be the best every time, with little regard for the value of the end result so much as the value of the effort leading to whatever the result may be.
I take pride in the idea of perfect successes and perfect failures. By that I mean that win or lose, I don't want to have to look back and second-guess every decision. I want every decision to be made not with the end goal in mind being to just get by, but to be the best, giving it my all, win or lose.
The presence of that attitude in the Wing's system is largely why I've grown to love the Detroit Red Wings so much over the years. They weren't only brilliant and loyal and patient, they also had all the drive in the world to be the best in every way possible. Their enthusiasm was infectious; their passion, utterly and completely contagious. They weren't just the class of the NHL, they were the class of the sports world in general.
But as 2011 winds down and 2012 approaches, my reaction to a five game winning streak to start the season is the same as my reaction to the six game losing streak that followed: I just don't care at all. Complacency has become a stronger force than pride. The passion is gone. It's hard to care about a team that doesn't seem to care about the game. It's hard to care about management that openly admits to not getting the job done as well as they'd like. And while I'm somewhat more sympathetic to the coaches that have to sit in the middle of these two sides and try to make the most of it, I'm tired of hearing the same lines about working harder and shooting the puck, if only for Babcock's sake. I'm sure he's infinitely more sick of them than me.
Again, I don't have answers or even suggestions, and I don't know who or whom to blame or praise. I don't know if we need trades. I don't know if we need to truly rebuild this team from the ground up.
I absolutely know one thing for certain though. It's been hard to ignore for awhile and it's clear as day now.
It's time to think differently.
Posted by gcom007 on 03 November 2011 - 10:01 PM
There is clearly something very wrong with the Red Wings, but the more I see of this losing streak, the more I believe other teams have figured the Wings out.
The Red Wings are at their best with the puck (a lot) and their ability to get their skilled players in open space to create scoring chances. It seems fairly obvious opponents realize this and are forcing the Red Wings into coughing the puck up by clogging the neutral zone or forcing low percentage shots from the perimeter. It blew my mind tonight how the Red Wings can't/won't dump the puck in and chase it when the Flames sat back with the lead. The only player on the team that is willing to forecheck hard and go after the puck in deep is Helm. Everyone else wants to make fancy passes and skate through five guys at the blueline.
The Wild and Flames were hardly making any attempt to put the pressure on the Red Wings. Take advantage of a couple mistakes and poor calls and let the Wings self-destruct with their inability to do the things that can end a scoring drought. There's too much talent on the Red Wings roster to just say all of them can't score goals now, a mere couple months after a regular season where they were second in the league in offense. They certainly need a legit sniper (or three), but at this time they need to make adjustments and work harder to score some goals.
I don't know what else can be said. They can keep doing what they have done expecting better or decide enough is enough and rally as a team quickly before it gets ugly where the playoffs are in serious jeopardy. There is no quick fix in the minors or via trade this early in the season. Work harder Saturday and turn this thing around.
Losing Rafalski's outstanding passing abilities certainly isn't helping in this department. Again, Ian White was a good pickup any day of the week, but let's be clear about one thing: we absolutely have not replaced Brian Rafalski yet. Not even close.
Posted by gcom007 on 08 September 2011 - 05:28 PM
I plan on letting them know that I will not be purchasing any Red Wing tickets or memorabilia so long as this partnership goes on, and I'm firmly committed to that. I will continue to bring up any points of contact worth writing to or calling.
But again, please, be respectful! We as fans and oftentimes paying customers have a strong voice, but let's use it in a manner that reflects well on us.
Richard Bowness, PR Coordinator (313) 396-7518, office (313) 405-6929, cell
Posted by gcom007 on 06 September 2011 - 12:32 AM
My post somehow got relegated to the end of page 4.
Maybe a bump is in order.
Where are my mod powers at so I can /thread?
With the announcement of this relationship, how Amway conducts their business is very much now tied to the Red Wings image. That's why people are pissed. I imagine that simple fact is why this thread has been allowed to go on. There's no way to discuss this matter without acknowledging what Amway stands for. It's a profoundly negative association for this team to have. Even I'm shocked by how in a matter of days my respect level has sunk for this organization. Again, literally, Amway is the absolute last company I would ever want to be this closely associated with the Wings. A close second would be "the Detroit Red Wings presented by Wal-Mart." The Red Wings have been epitomized by pure class, but now it reeks of pure greed and negligence. At this point in time, I cannot believe that this is an organization that cares about the well-being of it's fans. No one with genuine care or concern for the people is going to want to team up this publicly with a company like Amway. This is about money, plain and simple, no matter the cost.
Posted by gcom007 on 05 September 2011 - 11:15 PM
Not totally familiar with the intricacies of Amway, but they ARE shady. That being said, it's not their fault people fall for it. They are not technically doing anything illegal. From what I understand, they even buy back the merchandise that an IBO doesn't sell, which sort of disqualifies it for the "pyramid scheme" plan. If people get way too caught up in it, that's their own problem. It's really no different than blogging online. You're not going to make a ton of money doing it, and you should realize that, not let it destroy your life thinking you're "next big payday" is just around the corner.
Still do NOT like this partnership, not a great organization and kind of makes me wonder about Illitch now.
A) I know a guy who lost $15,000 alone in products that people under him "bought" and didn't pay for. It wasn't in one fell swoop, but the way the numbers are incessantly distorted by the higher ups and with all the propaganda and "positivity," it's a matter that easily gets overlooked. And it's most certainly not a matter in which Amway/Quixtar was willing to help him out on at any point in time, despite him making the effort. I'm not sure what they have in print on the matter, but I think most anyone with a bit of knowledge on their inner workings understands that the written rules don't dictate the way the company is run. They're just their to satisfy lawmakers for a little while and give the impression of security and support.
B) Opinion: maybe not technically illegal, but most positively should be. It's not hard to draw lines in the sand for good reason and enforce them with common sense. The intricacy of the legal manipulation of the law is where it gets muddy. The common sense, no-nonsense approach to enforcement would be simple: if you're more concerned with selling people on a business opportunity than selling the "product" you're supposedly selling, shut it down. It's bound to lead to scams and schemes that do society on whole no good. The source of any profits would clearly paint the picture too.
C) Sure, again, it is their own problem if they get caught up in it, but it doesn't excuse the purveyor of the scheme. Amway's business is built on lies and deceit. Blogging is a trap that's completely self-contained. You're not surrounded by a circle of people that are trying to isolate you from those that bring common sense to the table. There's no huge propaganda machine working directly in people's lives in so many different ways to trap you in, much like a cult does. Amway's psychological attack strategies are fairly unique and one of the primary and most-alarming problems with the whole system. It's the poison that makes Amway most dangerous.
D) again, not their fault? To me, it's the same as saying it's not a drug dealers fault people are drug addicts. It's as if it wasn't their plan to get people involved in such a manner. Make no mistake, everything Amway does is very intentional. It's not a happy accident they stumbled upon at all. Furthermore, again and again it's been illustrated how much the business hurts people, yet they continue to push it with more and more steam. I mean...I mean...I'm about to go caps lock here against my better judgement...I MEAN, WHY DOES ANYONE THINK THEY'RE TRYING TO NOW GET LINKED UP WITH THE RED WINGS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? It's just another door they're trying to pry open to get into people's heads with a system they know will almost certainly be a drain on peoples money, time and relationships. They know the score. They know exactly what they're doing. Make no mistake about it.