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#2540590 Babcock "I don't think it will be my final year here"

Posted by gcom007 on 13 October 2014 - 11:36 PM


Not necessarily.  Babs buried Legwand on the fourth line wing last year and it had nothing to do with injuries or effectiveness.  When he demoted him Legwand was centering the best offensive line we had all season.  So, there's always the chance that Babs just doesn't like the guy, regardless of how much he could help, or how well he plays. 


Legwand wasn't our biggest free agent acquisition in years though, and he at least played. Weiss has been a healthy scratch. Again, a player with a $4.9 million cap hit has been a healthy scratch for the first two games of the season. Sure, Babcock might not like him, but I don't think Holland would let that fly if there wasn't a damn good reason, or if Weiss simply isn't really ready. He may be "healthy" relative to his prior injury problems, but perhaps his conditioning is not close to where it should be, or something along those lines. This can't be so simple as "Babcock doesn't like him." I get that it's easy to cast Babcock in such a way when you're making broad strokes, but you don't get away with making decisions to bench a player like Weiss for petty reasons in the NHL.


We signed this guy to be our 2nd line center a little over a year ago; he's the 3rd highest paid player on the team that's not a goalie. He's got a deal that's structured almost the same salary-wise as Kronwall's, who is the anchor of our defense! If this goes on, I think you have to figure that Holland is in agreement with Babcock on the matter, and if so, Weiss is currently at a sub-Samuelsson level within the organization. Even Sammy started the first couple games last year before we had to worry about injuries to stars like we have this year, and he wasn't even making nearly as much money. Nothing about this smells right.

#2539126 AO #8 Grants Fan's Request for Date

Posted by gcom007 on 08 October 2014 - 05:23 PM

My friend who is a capital fan posted this on Facebook. It was amazing for him to do that. Cute girl, man I wish yzerman or fedorov would have taken me on a man date when I was a kid, she will remember that as the best moments of her life for a long time, such a small thing for ovie to do, and yet such a huge thing for that girl. Hope for humanity restored!


I spent 10-15 minutes waiting for carry out with Steve Yzerman in that little room off the side of Hunter House in Birmingham when I was 12 or 13. Not quite a man-date, but it was an incredible experience. My mom sent me alone from the car to order and wait, and he walked in just a minute or so after I did. Before I saw his face, I was a little scared because he had this black leather trench coat on that just made him look a bit ominous. Then I saw his face and instantly started freaking out inside, but I tried to stay cool. All I could mutter at first anyways was, "Hi, umm, can I just shake your hand???" He was really friendly but I remember even from that young age how shy he seemed, though he was very friendly and incredibly humble and gracious. He was my favorite player and hero from a very young age, so once I got talking I really went off and he was just very cool about it and had no problems talking with me about my hockey team and what position I played and when I told him I always fought to get number 19, he seemed honored. We left at the same time and my mom recognized him and waived and he smiled and waived back. She couldn't believe my good fortune and said, "aren't you glad you went in to get the food now?!?" It was just a really cool, unique and random experience that I won't soon forgot.

#2539113 23 man roster set... say hi to your 2014/15 Wings

Posted by gcom007 on 08 October 2014 - 04:34 PM

With his comments of late it sounds as though Babs is becoming more and more frustrated with Holland.


I definitely think Babcock is frustrated. Does he get along with Holland? Sure. I think they respect each other. I don't think it's a huge, tremendously ugly situation. But I don't think things are as rosy as Babcock suggests they are at times. I think he's a professional talking to the media and trying not to go too hard on his boss, but clearly, enough has slipped out over the years to suggest that they have a fair amount of disagreements, and it does seem as if more is coming to light lately.


That said, it might only be because the media is focusing in on the issue more after so many years of Holland dropping the ball in the off-season. Perhaps their prodding has just grown more intense and focused. That doesn't mean Babcock isn't just as frustrated as many others, and on some level, I'm sure he is. Any way you shake it, there's no way he can be happy about how little his team has improved from free agency or trades the last few years.


How frustrated he is at Holland specifically though in reality is something only Babcock truly knows. If he does in fact leave after this year, I think we'll know where he stands. If he stays, then it's likely in the gray area that he occasionally opens up about to the press.


Another thing I've been thinking about lately is how many strong hockey minds we have lost over the last few seasons. It's easy to pin our struggles with acquiring players on Holland, but there is a management team in place. You could say that Nill or Yzerman or Bowman were the brains, but in reality, those were all smart hockey people that were in the fold and helping out on a team. Isolate any of them on this team in Holland's role and they might struggle too. But any way you shake it, at this point, the management team has taken a huge blow in losing those guys, and perhaps it proves not so much that Holland was overrated at one point so much as the entire management team was generally underrated.


I don't want to go out of the way to defend the guy, because I'd still fire him in a heartbeat if it was up to me just to get some fresh blood in to shake things up, for better or for worse. Holland's had enough chances the last 4-5 years to prove he can run the team effectively and I feel like he's failed and continues to fail in too many areas to warrant continuing on with him. But perhaps it's not as simple as him just losing his touch so much as him losing too many top notch minds and not being able to pull the load on his own, especially after so many years of having a wealth of talented people to help out and names like Yzerman and Bowman in the fold, names that no doubt resonate on an emotional level with players more than Holland might, and that's no small thing.


Factor all of this in with Holland having to learn to play within the confines of the cap and it might be fair to say that he was destined to fail. It's a tall order to keep the plates spinning in a transition era when you have to worry about the cap and you don't have as many bright minds to utilize on your management team. I'm not trying to make excuses so much as say, maybe we shouldn't be surprised that he's floundered on his own in a new world.

#2538953 Kindl on the block

Posted by gcom007 on 07 October 2014 - 06:35 PM

I remember a rather extensive period of time here when half the people on this forum were as high or higher for Kindl as they seem to now be for Ouellet. But heading to the NHL and having to face that level of competition and pressure while continuing to grow is no easy task. I hope Ouellet works out a lot better, and he very well could and probably should, but I won't be shocked if he doesn't. We've seen days like this before, and we'll see them again. Prospects, no matter how promising, are just prospects until they prove they can really do it at the NHL level. You just can't put all your faith in them unless you're fine getting burnt at least half the time if not more. 

#2537521 We're Down One Goose

Posted by gcom007 on 28 September 2014 - 05:45 PM

Everything should be fine. Injuries happen, especially in the pre-season, and given that it's the pre-season, far more care is taken in dealing with them so they might appear far more worse than they are. I get that everyone's sensitive after the last couple years, but this isn't worth getting too worked up about at this point.


If half the team is injured again by December, then we can all collectively weep and bemoan our fate.

#2536994 Datsyuk 2nd degree separated shoulder injury - out approx 4 weeks

Posted by gcom007 on 23 September 2014 - 01:22 PM

good Interview with Dats




Dats: "I got hit in to the galsses.

Helene St.James: "How do you feel?"

Dats: "Better ask how glasses feel"


HSJ: "how do you think Darren Helm looks today?"

Dats: "He is ready for Halloween"


Least he is in good spirits. 


Datsyuk is the very best of the best.

#2536710 Training Camp Thread

Posted by gcom007 on 21 September 2014 - 09:11 PM

I'm predicting 82 gp, 27-20-47 for Cleary this year. I think that's pretty fair based on his training camp performance thus far.


That's pretty conservative...way to play it safe.

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#2536458 Regner: Next year could be Babcock's last

Posted by gcom007 on 17 September 2014 - 08:05 PM


I think making the playoffs is the definition of playoff caliber. It sounds like you are talking about being a Stanley Cup contender. I'm not denying our poor performance in the first round last year. Though I think that was more so due to match-up then anything. I don't see us performing like that against Pittsburgh. Not saying we win, but we definitely do better.


Either way, this is all semantics, we are a playoff caliber team.


We are absolutely a playoff-caliber team with Datsyuk and Zetterberg still around. Even with age and injuries, those two guys are still are remarkable players, and even in their absence last year due to injury, I almost feel as if it's reasonable to say that the hole they left was so large that it had much to do with many of the younger guys rising up and playing above a level that one would typically expect of them. When you still have a core of Dats and Z, you should be making the playoffs. I've said it for years, and I'm still saying it now, even in light of last season.




We are not contenders, and despite what many like to say about how anything is possible if you just get in, it's simply not something substantial enough to be able to bank on. I'm not saying it's entirely untrue, but there is more of a divide between the contenders and some of the teams that squeak in than people realize. And oftentimes, some of the 7th-8th seeds that squeak in and go the distance were better teams than their regular season records showed, and they proved that in the playoffs. We haven't come close to proving that, and one could say last season, quite the opposite was proven.


Many Detroit fans were deluded by how close we came to beating Chicago a couple years back. The reality of that series was Chicago wasn't even close to being on their game and their stars weren't rising up to the playoff challenge as the series started. We took advantage of it early on, and then Chicago came back against significant odds and proved once again why they've won two Cups in the last five years. We certainly didn't make it easy for them, even in the final three games, but they found a way to crawl out of the hole and win, and they went on to win the Cup.


Last year, Boston manhandled us and proved that our kids weren't ready to answer the playoff bell. We just looked weaker and weaker as that series went on. Are we going to be a better team this year? Maybe our kids will improve, or maybe they'll still need more time to be ready. Dats and Z might be healthier, but any way you shake it, they're getting older, so it's tough to say how much of an impact they'll have on the scoresheet. Our defense isn't likely to be any better unless a kid comes up and overachieves. And while my money is on Howard bouncing back strong, he can't do it alone.


I think we'll squeak into the playoffs, but we're not real close to being able to contend for the Cup right now. We won't be until something more dramatic happens to improve the defense in particular, and until our kids mature to a point where they aren't shutdown in the playoffs, or perhaps in general when having to play a lesser role on a less-injured team. 


That said though, I don't think that's why Babcock would leave. I do think he enjoys working with the kids, and I don't think money is going to be an issue that affects the decision. I could see him wanting to move on for the sake of new challenges and experiences, and as much as I'd hate to see it, from his perspective, I could understand why he might want to go to a team like Pittsburgh. It's an opportunity that you aren't going to get very often. I don't know if he'd actually do it, and I don't know that he wants to leave, but I do think he's likely more frustrated with the way this team's been run than he's let on lately, and I think he is likely as tired of getting no help from the GM as any of us. He's made enough comments suggesting so in the press to infer at the very least that he isn't thrilled by all that hasn't happened in the last 4-5 years. I'm not saying it's an extreme situation, but I have no doubt that it's something that bothers him because he's been frustrated enough to say so numerous times.


You add everything up, and I could see Babcock going to another team after this season and I could understand why. I hope it doesn't come to that because I think he's a great coach, but it'd be hard to fault him. 

#2536295 Regner: Next year could be Babcock's last

Posted by gcom007 on 16 September 2014 - 12:26 PM

Anyone who knows me on these boards at this point knows I'm no longer a Holland supporter, but you've got to be reaching here to be making a big deal out of this. Babcock should get paid, and will get paid, and Holland won't lowball him on money. There's no need and even he's not stupid enough to take that chance. He's just defending the line for the media. If Babcock leaves, it won't be about money. Any amount of money any team would reasonably throw at him would be matched by the Wings.

#2535912 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by gcom007 on 11 September 2014 - 12:32 AM


DD and Quincey both have the same agent


Here is a tidbit from the article posted in this thread by BottleOfSmoke which is written by Nsar Khan regarding DD & Quincey.


"His defense partner, Kyle Quincey, signed a two-year, $8.5 million contract on July 1. But Quincey's contract has nothing to do with DeKesyer's negotiations. Quincey was an unrestricted free agent with 418 games of NHL experience, regular season and playoffs. DeKeyser is restricted. They're represented by the same agent, Pat Morris, who hasn't used Quincey's contract as a basis in DeKeyser's talks."




That's the point. What needs to be said when all parties involved know exactly what went down with Quincey? What do you expect people to say in the press? I am well aware of the overlap and the differences in contracts and careers; I read the articles. Bottom line is that a player of less value than Dekeyser got signed for more money than the Wings want to give Dekeyser, and whether Dekeyser feels he deserves as much or not, you can be assured that he's not going to go down easy after seeing that Quincey deal.


I adamantly stand by what I said.


"you have to be an idiot if you think that didn't send a message to Dekeyser's camp, and it was the wrong message to send considering Dekeyser stands to be important to this team for the long-run when Quincey should've been a guy shown the door."

#2535911 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by gcom007 on 11 September 2014 - 12:24 AM

I think it's interesting that everyone is blaming KH for this deal not being done, but if it were Tatar instead of Dekeyser we'd be inundated with comments about how Tats is an egomaniac who puts himself before the team.  Double standard much?


Dekeyser has only played 72 professional hockey games.  Whatever he and his agent are asking based on his modest point production and ice time is almost certainly too much.  But god forbid anybody call them out, because he's from Michigan.


I defended Tatar. Some thought it was too much for him at this point, I said, nah, not at all. Why? For the exact reason you referenced, but the opposite perspective. We did jerk him around a bit, and we were right to be generous to make up for it. There's a big difference between being an egomaniac and knowing that you should and would be in the NHL if you were on any other team in the league. I wouldn't have bitched publicly about it like Tatar did, and I don't like that, but I don't think he was at all unjustified in feeling frustrated, and I'm happy he got a decent contract at this point as I think he is deserving of it.

#2535897 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by gcom007 on 10 September 2014 - 09:00 PM

When I think about Quincey's contract at this point, I really just lose my will to even care. Then you add in the whole Cleary thing. I had enough distance as the summer went on to become less inherently frustrated with the moves Holland has made, but as this goes on and I'm forced to remember those deals...I get angry for an instant, and then it's just a sinking feeling. I'm sure this will get worked out, but it's just so stupid that it's actually had to get to this point. 


And to be honest, I think the Quincey signing bothers me more, as it was just such a haphazard decision. At least the Cleary deal went down because Holland was being loyal to Cleary after the handshake agreement the year before, and that agreement was made coming off a 10 point playoff performance. Whether that performance had a lot to do with luck or not (I've said "luck" all along despite not being the most outspoken Cleary critic), at least it was something that is somewhat, well, kinda almost maybe a little understandable, albeit colossally frustrating if not infuriating.


But Quincey?


That was a stupid, knee-jerk, haphazard decision. And it was for too much money for a guy you clearly didn't want to sign. It's all the more stupid when you consider the fact that you do have to sign Dekeyser still. Yes, it's not a cut and dry comparison as one is a UFA and the other is an RFA, but you have to be an idiot if you think that didn't send a message to Dekeyser's camp, and it was the wrong message to send considering Dekeyser stands to be important to this team for the long-run when Quincey should've been a guy shown the door.


This whole summer for the Wings has been nothing short of a pathetic and unfortunate example of why we are not among the elite teams in the league right now. The elite teams find a way to get it done on and off the ice, and the two go hand in hand. 

#2534251 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by gcom007 on 14 August 2014 - 01:00 PM

Best signing yet. Hollands offseason acquisition is himself. His deadline acquisition will be Babs.


Laughed so hard at this. Can't stop. Post of the week for sure.

#2534110 What Might Have Been: Gretzky to Detroit?

Posted by gcom007 on 12 August 2014 - 04:03 PM


Yzerman wasn't "The Captain" in 1988, and Gretzky most likely would have been retired (or traded away) by 2002.


Hence why I said, "I get how it could've been seen differently at that point in history though, hard as it is to imagine."

#2534054 Alfie wants to play

Posted by gcom007 on 11 August 2014 - 10:54 PM

I have no problem with us signing Daniel Alfredsson.


I don't think we would've made the playoffs without him last year. I think he ran out of gas for awhile after the Olympics, but Kronwall wasn't firing on all cylinders either and he's a good deal younger. It was a long run for the Swedes. If the rest of the team can stay healthier and we can give him some calculated rest now and again this year, and with no Olympics to further muddle things up, I think Alfie stands to have a more impressive year this year, and I say that as someone who thought highly of his contribution last season. He was still an effective player most of the time, he put up points, and provided strong leadership when our big leaders went down. 


While it would've been a different story had Dats and Z not been injured, the fact of the matter remains that even at his older age, even given his own injury issues that hampered him throughout the season, even given that he missed 14 games, and even given that he had an extended cold-streak when he was running on empty after the Olympics, he still ended up being our points leader last year while going on to become a locker room leader in the second half that all those kids that exploded pointed to again and again for stepping up when Dats and Z went down.


If we're going to be signing older players, Alfie is the kind we should be signing. When people talk about wanting Ken Holland to stop signing older scrubs, I generally am very much in agreement. But the thing is, Alfredsson never has been and never will be an old scrub. Signing him should never be compared to signing someone like Cleary. It's genuinely irritating to me that anyone would even try to suggest that we're dealing with the same type of player and circumstance here when by any objective measure there's clearly a night and day difference. Alfie isn't as effective as he was ten years ago, most obviously, but he is still an effective player who contributes on the scoresheet and leads, all while providing the kind of veteran presence that you absolutely do want to have around on a team that's getting younger.


Just because Holland made a mistake in signing Dan Cleary again doesn't mean he should make another mistake and not sign Alfie if Alfie decides that he can play.


Again, I have no problem with Alfie coming back, and while I'm certainly not holding my breath, I hope that somehow this ragtag team can pull off a miracle for him. He's a class act and nothing would make me happier next season than seeing him win his first Cup so he can go out on top. Never lose hope, right?