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Posted by gcom007 on 24 June 2012 - 04:28 PM
Let's be honest, Scotty Bowman had more say than Holland in putting together the '97 and '98 Cups, in '02 we had the Yankees on ice in the non-cap era and Scotty Bowman influence, and then in 2008, we still had the Scotty Bowman influence and many of the original guys that Scotty Bowman helped bring along. And I can't say that it's not interesting that we haven't done as well in the offseason at signings or during the season with trades since Bowman left the organization. Maybe he had nothing much to do with it at that point, but it's none the less intriguing to me. He goes to Chicago the following season, they sign Hossa long-term (which Holland should've and could've done) and they win the Cup in 2010. (Yes, I know the Chicago argument is a stretch...)
But in any event, Holland is clearly setting up his own legacy at this point and has been since the shadow of Scotty Bowman left for good prior to the summer of 2009 I believe. That was a terrible offseason for us, much like every one since. We've not gotten past the 2nd round since then either. We lost in the 1st round last season! The signing of Franzen long-term (especially considering the Hossa angle) is looking more and more questionable. He has to basically replace the core of our defense, no longer building around one of the greatest players in history, but around Kronwall, who's a good to great player at times no doubt, but he's no Lidstrom. Howard had a great year last year up until injuries (and likely made the skaters look a lot better than they were for much of the season) and he never fully got back to form, but if he struggles this year (you never know with goalies...) coming off that funk hanging around all summer, he's suddenly got a starting goalie issue on his hands too.
Bottom line, he's got a lot to prove this summer, and if he fails to put a competitive team on the ice, we're likely going to be stuck in a rut for awhile. Dats and Z aren't getting any younger either and our young forwards aren't goal scorers. Given the huge likelihood for struggles on D, the mild uncertainty surrounding a younger goalie who still hasn't fully proven himself and an offense that struggled to score goals when it counts most last year, Holland is going to need a miracle to come out looking clean. And if the legend is worth it's while, maybe he'll pull one out of his pocket. But at this point, it's likely that anything less than signing Suter and Parise is going to be viewed as a failure, because you need both of them to come close to making up for losing a guy like Lidstrom at both ends, and Lids only played D! And even if he secures them both, he still needs another 2/3 defensemen and a solid backup goalie with more NHL experience so Jimmy can get some breaks and stay healthy and positive.
I'm hoping for the best, but I wouldn't be shocked if this was an ugly offseason. I also wouldn't be shocked if Ken Holland wasn't the Wings GM in 1-2 years. If he blows it and we don't make the playoffs, I could see him being done. If it happens again the year after, he better be fired.
It's time for Holland to prove he can do more than be the first guy to sign superstars to long-term creative contracts that circumvent the cap. We'll know a lot more by next Monday.
Posted by gcom007 on 10 June 2012 - 03:18 PM
Again, for the love, Chris Chelios ended up playing longer in Detroit than any other city! Chris Chelios! If you don't realize how big of a deal that is, you don't know your Wings history too well.
All I'm saying is that I think we can handle Weber just fine.
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Posted by gcom007 on 10 June 2012 - 03:12 PM
If Holland can't make some big things happen, we're likely to have a rough season ahead of us. Thankfully, for once, I think Holland knows he has to be more pro-active and aggressive than he's had to be at any point in his career. If ever there was a sink or swim time for the Wings management, it's now.
Also, not expecting this pick to hang around for long. Whenever Holland trades for the rights of one of his big targets, this will be in the package no doubt.
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Posted by gcom007 on 20 April 2012 - 11:24 PM
I fail to see how this should warrant a suspension or fine. Kind of overreacting here guys.
It's an unsportsmanlike play and could have drawn an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty, but that's about it.
If I'm a Wings fan, I'm pissed. If I'm a Preds fan, I'm laughing. But I'm neither...so I'm just impressed that he was able to get away with it.
I'm a Wings fan and I'm laughing. I'm right with you. Anyone who wants to make this into a bigger deal is just throwing punches underwater. We got beat and some. This little play had absolutely no bearing on the fact that Nashville was the better team and bound to win this series.
Posted by gcom007 on 17 April 2012 - 11:56 PM
Guys, don't give up on your team. You have every right to be worried and feeling bad about the future of this series, but for god's sake son! Don't give up on your team!
I don't know how some of you can do it, obviously I think our chances of taking this series are slim, but I can't get myself to just count us out.
I haven't given up on my team, I've just given up on 2012.
Posted by gcom007 on 17 April 2012 - 11:43 PM
I agree. And Howard played amazing for most of the season prior to being injured. However, that doesn't change or excuse the fact that he has not merely been outplayed by a superior goaltender, but been another layer of soft on an increasing easier team to beat. Simple way to tell how the goaltending his doing, GAA or SV% aside: when you see a decent chance for the opposition developing, do you expect a save or a goal? Every chance Nashville has had this season I have grown to expect in the back of the net, and he hasn't proven me wrong yet.
Howard is not the number one issue on this team, but he is a player that should be playing a great deal better. The Wings were never going to score bushels of goals on Rinne. This series was going to be attrition, but what does allowing 3(4) goals on considerably less shots do for a gameplan that came in expecting few goals against a superior goaltender?
Maybe referencing anything from 2008 with this year's team is flawed from the start, but the same thing happened in the series against Nashville then. Ellis was playing absolutely lights out. The Wings carried territorial play, but every single scoring chance the Preds had, they buried on Hasek. Game 5, Osgood comes in and battles Ellis in a game of attrition. Even after the Preds scored with the goalie pulled at the end, Osgood managed to win 2-1. That year, when the Wings weren't starting on time or sagging with a lead, Osgood stopped the puck. When chances happened I expected him to save them. That's the simple difference.
I mean, I'll give you that he hasn't been playing at the level you expect your goalie to be at in the playoffs. Maybe it's injuries or maybe he is struggling in these odd, lopsided affairs which find him seeing no shots for long stretches followed up by an odd-man rush out of nowhere thanks to blown coverage. But he's playing no worse than anyone else (though at times much better) and maybe that's part of the problem too. Everyone's focus just seems off. Everyone seems frazzled. I don't feel like high shot totals is ever a good sign for this team, because it often means that we're scrambling and less focused on quality and more on quantity, sheerly out of desperation and blind hope for a fluke. But anyways, with so many problems up front and likely in the locker room, perhaps it's just wearing off on Howard as well.
Any way you shake it, top to bottom, these Wings don't look like a playoff team. There's just not a lot of poise, and the desperation looks far too frantic as opposed to, I don't know, focused insatiable hunger perhaps? No one on this team has figured out how to push them over the top yet. Still tough for me to fault Howard. I think he may be a bit off from what he's capable of, but I do think he's capable of it, and I wouldn't be shocked if he rose to the occasion when the rest of the team did as well.
In my mind though, absolutely no goalie would carry this team of skaters to the Cup at this point. I don't care who it is from what era, this TEAM has far too many issues to make a Cup run.
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Posted by gcom007 on 17 April 2012 - 10:59 PM
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Posted by gcom007 on 17 April 2012 - 10:45 PM
Did Holland know Hudler would say "f*** off" and take more money from the KHL? In that case YES, Holland made a mistake, otherwise, I think his choice was justified by the numbers Huds and Filp had that post season
In my mind, who the hell cares? If I'm Holland and I've got a chance to sign one of the top players in the game who's a phenomenal asset and team player in every regard who desperately wants to be here for a $5 million cap hit, the last thing I'm thinking about is Jirif****** Hudler. There's a run on sentence for your asses.
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Posted by gcom007 on 17 April 2012 - 10:35 PM
I'ld take two great players over one super awesome player any day. Good thing you picked Huds and Mule, they strengthen my argument. Those two were the two top goal scorers on the team this year. Plus, look at Dats. Pasha is arguably the greatest player on the ice, but he is part of a TEAM. If the chemistry isnt right, it doesnt matter how good a single player is. (check how the Wings did in the '09 playoffs, Hossa was behind Hank, Franzen, Lids, and Filp in points, and was 10th on the roster for +/-)
Hossa was a harder worker than just about anyone on the team in his time here. He hustled like few guys in the entire game and had phenomenal two-way presence because of it. On top of that, he's a bonafide superstar.
And he really, really, really wanted to be here and turned down a lot of money and security to even get a chance at one year.
I would build a team around a guy like that any day over a floater like Franzen and a guy who peaced out to Russia for money.
Posted by gcom007 on 17 April 2012 - 10:03 PM
with his lucky ass goal? Mule should spend less time focusing on hisf****** commericals and more time on actually playing hockey. Glad we kept him over a hard working two way player like Hossa, brilliant move Holland....
I will never forgive Holland for letting Hossa walk.
Posted by gcom007 on 03 November 2011 - 11:48 PM
This is not a bad thing. We've seen a lot of success over the last 10 years despite many pieces of the previous foundation moving on. When you can rest with that kind of confidence and continue to be successful, it's very easy to develop a sense of pride over the whole matter. And why shouldn't we (or "they" when referring to management)? Our resilience is something to be proud of. Loyalty is something to be proud of. The simple act of not succumbing to the emotions that lead to panic is something to be proud of.
And many of us are quite proud. Many of us do indeed take a great deal of pride in our steady insistence that things will work out in the end. And again, with this team's success even in the many years we failed to win the Stanley Cup, we've been faced with little reason to question our stance. After all, even when things don't quite work out perfectly, there are far worse positions to take up than those in which one's enslaved to ever-fickle emotions.
It's occurred to me though more and more over the course of the last couple seasons, just as a hint in the back of my head, that my pride was served up with a larger and larger dose of a little something known as complacency. It's become less about confidence in my beliefs and more about having any beliefs at all. And if I were to be honest, I'd say that it's clouded my perspective on things in certain situations. But as this off-season came and went and lead into this season, it's gotten harder and harder to sit here and rattle off any variation of the line "we'll be fine down the stretch." Even though a large part of me still believes that to be true on some level, an increasingly larger part of me is looking at this team with a desire to skip the stock lines and the filters and call it exactly how I see it.
What I simply cannot deny seeing at this point is an organization that's run down, more than a bit off the path and still desperately trying to rest on it's laurels. I see management that looks more complacent and timid than truly prideful and confident. I see a lot of players that are familiar faces that I've grown to like, but they're becoming known more and more for their face and less and less for what they're doing on the ice. And as for the coaches, it's been a bit of a revolving door, but from what Babcock's said about the players and management over the last couple years, I can't help but think that he's truly aware of what the problems are and what needs to happen, but he can't force Ken Holland to make a move nor the players to shoot the puck more.
Still, all factors considered, the Detroit Red Wings organization has become a comfortable, functional mess.
How do I know that that's the plain, simple truth? I'm not upset about it at all. I'm more bored than angry. I can't even muster up the frustration level enough to feel annoyed. And I can't sit here and tell myself that I haven't been thinking this more and more each day over the last couple of years.
So what am I getting at? I'm not entirely sure. I don't know exactly what needs to happen. But it's getting to the point where I can't tell if it's pride based on a somewhat-objective sense of confidence or just plain stupidity when I try to tell myself and others that Franzen will pick it up "down the stretch." And what I've realized though is that it doesn't matter either way. The fact that it's a question says it all and there are too many questions just like that one right now with this organization.
It's still great to be loyal and stalwart and it's still silly to be impulsive and impatient. I'll never say otherwise, but perhaps what is most important is that you also have to be able to adapt to changing times. Adaptability is everything. To do so, you don't need to be impulsive, but you do need to be agile. You have to balance loyalty with objectivity. You have to step out into the darkness and take some chances to gamble a bit, knowing full well that sometimes you win, but sometimes you lose. That's life. In either circumstance, adaptability is still everything. "Survival of the fittest" has far less to do with strength than it has to do with adaptability.
I have no trade possibilities to offer. I don't even know if trades are truly what we need right now or the best choice in the current landscape. I don't know if Datsyuk or Zetterberg should play together or be split up, or if Z's back is or isn't hampering or bound to eventually hamper his effectiveness. I don't know if we can trust that Franzen will or won't become a consistent scoring threat again.
All I know is that when pride devolves into complacency, you stop moving forward and making progress and you begin digging your grave.
I can't take pride in beliefs for the sake of beliefs or positivity of the sake of positivity.
I take pride in objectivity.
I take pride in aiming to be the best every time, with little regard for the value of the end result so much as the value of the effort leading to whatever the result may be.
I take pride in the idea of perfect successes and perfect failures. By that I mean that win or lose, I don't want to have to look back and second-guess every decision. I want every decision to be made not with the end goal in mind being to just get by, but to be the best, giving it my all, win or lose.
The presence of that attitude in the Wing's system is largely why I've grown to love the Detroit Red Wings so much over the years. They weren't only brilliant and loyal and patient, they also had all the drive in the world to be the best in every way possible. Their enthusiasm was infectious; their passion, utterly and completely contagious. They weren't just the class of the NHL, they were the class of the sports world in general.
But as 2011 winds down and 2012 approaches, my reaction to a five game winning streak to start the season is the same as my reaction to the six game losing streak that followed: I just don't care at all. Complacency has become a stronger force than pride. The passion is gone. It's hard to care about a team that doesn't seem to care about the game. It's hard to care about management that openly admits to not getting the job done as well as they'd like. And while I'm somewhat more sympathetic to the coaches that have to sit in the middle of these two sides and try to make the most of it, I'm tired of hearing the same lines about working harder and shooting the puck, if only for Babcock's sake. I'm sure he's infinitely more sick of them than me.
Again, I don't have answers or even suggestions, and I don't know who or whom to blame or praise. I don't know if we need trades. I don't know if we need to truly rebuild this team from the ground up.
I absolutely know one thing for certain though. It's been hard to ignore for awhile and it's clear as day now.
It's time to think differently.