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#2193170 Wings re-sign Ericsson to 3-year, $9.75m contract

Posted by gcom007 on 01 July 2011 - 01:59 AM

I fail to see how anyone can call this deal "bad" at this particular moment. It's not hurting anything. Red Wings have plenty of cap space to afford it, and lots of $$ cash left to improve the team. (No Kenny isn't getting Richards, never was)

How do we know what went on behind the scenes? It sounds like Holland wanted Ericsson for about $1.8 to $2.0 million. Ericsson is in the press speaking how he wants the chance to advance to the next level. Ericsson know's he'd easily get $3.75+ or more tomorrow. So really he took a discount.

Knowing this, Holland probably said:
"Okay, $3.25 then, but if you don't progress, I am packaging you up and trading you! - Ericsson, do you understand that I will trade you if you do not meet my expectations, right?"

Ericsson - "Yes Mr. Holland, I understand!"

[worse case scenario, seven months later Ericsson has not improved, Holland trades him with a pick/prospect for a nice return]

In this market, Holland can get a nice return on Big Rig with this current contract. This is called "asset management". It might not look good right now, but I am sure Kenny has a plan.

I fail to see how anyone can call this anything but a bad deal if not far worse.

The standard or precedent this sets is far more alarming than the actual deal, though the deal is a joke in and of itself. Obviously he'd get that kind of money on the open market, but you have to also ask from who? Teams that are struggling to get to $48 million? Some mid-level teams living on the playoff bubble? Let them pay him that.

I'd rather have a ton of cap space left and pay guys what they're actually worth. I'm sick of Holland signing the players we've developed to contracts they haven't earned that are based solely on hopes that they'll improve. Meanwhile, guys like Drew Miller come in here and work their asses off night after night only to have to wholly undeservedly sit in the press box some nights because we don't have enough roster spots. That's a crap standard to be setting, and it's bound to become more of an issue at this rate.

It's no wonder Miller supposedly isn't close to signing with the Wings right now. I figured that would be the case months ago. Why stay with a team for less money all while sitting in the press box so often, only to watch guys that were lucky enough to get drafted into the system make more money than they deserve and more opportunities? It's stupid. A better example of this problem as it relates to Miller would be Hudler. Talk about a guy who doesn't deserve the opportunities and money he makes...oh yeah, he had no problem making money in Russia for a year to thank us for developing him, giving him chances, giving him a decent contract.

Loyalty is a good thing, as is not giving up on your investments, but any good businessman will tell you that if something isn't working, you don't keep dumping more money into it in hopes that it'll get going. You improve or you move on completely. Ericsson has done absolutely nothing to deserve this deal. It doesn't matter if other teams will pay more. Someone will always pay more. It doesn't even matter to me that it's a weak market right now. Again, I'd rather be paying guys what they deserve, even if that means icing a team at the start of the season with more low-level guys in the mix.

Again, what does this signing say to Jimmy Howard? What does it say to Brad Stuart?!? What does it say to Patrick Eaves and Drew Miller? But more importantly, what does it say to everyone on the outside of the Wings development circle?

It's pretty clear: if you made it into the "Lucky Draft Club," you can underperform and be rewarded with beefy long-term contracts and seemingly unspoken "no-trade" status.

But if you're an outsider, you'll get paid less and benched first, even if you're clearly outperforming a Wings-developed player.

That's not a message the Wings need to be sending. It's the exact opposite of the message they've suggested they want to send, but they've been sending it more and more each passing year.

When we had the chance to sign Hossa for life at a bargain price, Flip should've been traded after going 2 years into his contract without the ever-forthcoming breakout year and they never should've even considered offering Hudler a contract. Hossa came in and played his heart out every night and was willing to take less than he was worth on the open market (even considering the staggered contract) to stay because he wanted to play for the Detroit Red Wings. Flip still hasn't played up to his deal in the context of this organization and Hudler showed how much he valued our loyalty and commitment by leaving us without warning to sign in Russia for more money. If we had said goodbye to them when we should have, we'd still have Hossa and a guy like Miller who's worked incredibly hard to earn a spot on this team wouldn't have to worry about sitting in the press box while a midget who can't get his head straight eats up ice time and salary cap.

This system isn't working.

Even when considering our relative success over the years, it's more in spite of some of these guys than anything. Who in their right mind would say that Hudler helped this team last year? At this point, besides Flip's little fan club, who wouldn't rather have Hossa and Miller in the lineup every night rather than Flip and Hudler? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? Right.

Holland has always stressed "VALUE!" He's been preaching this for years, and for quite a bit of time, he seemed to do a good job of managing to live out what he was preaching. Kronwall's deal raised some eyebrows but he was always a premier prospect who never struggled on the ice so much as staying on and avoiding injuries. But Flip's deal, while not horrible hasn't been great and has caused us to miss better opportunities. Hudler's deal is not completely stupid only because it's just 2 years, but again, it caused us to miss opportunities. Franzen's cap number seems great, but over the long term? It might not be worth it based on the style he plays and his struggles with injury. On top of that, he's also found a way to simply struggle this past season. Given his one-dimensional play and relatively new success, it probably would've made more sense to have a bit higher cap hit but shorter term on the deal.

What happened to the time when someone like Dan Cleary came in on the cheap, played hard, earned a regular spot, earned more ice time, earned bigger opportunities, and then signed reasonable contracts? Eaves and Miller are the same story, except they didn't get more ice time, were not given more opportunities, and it's looking like there's a good chance that at least one of them won't be signing here again. Why? So Hudler can have a shot because we've invested more in him over the years? So Flip can maybe finally have a breakout year to justify his generous contract? So Franzen can be a sniper that doubles as a pylon in our zone and not score goals?

Where's the accountability in this system?

And really, this is the 2nd time in 3 years that we've screwed ourselves over before free agency hits. Holland admittedly was caught off guard two summers ago and I think it's clear by today's signing that he's been caught off guard again. There's no way in hell that I believe Holland would have signed Ericsson for this kind of money if he wasn't flat-out scared (or if this is all part of some crazy sign and trade, at which point all of this frustration will have been for naught...but I doubt it). If Ericsson is the best he can do for $3.25 million, we are not in good shape. Hell, if Ericsson is the best he can do for $1 million, we are not in good shape.

Again, Holland has always pushed value, and he's typically delivered. He and his team have done a great job of bringing in these under the radar guys and older guys on the cheap and getting a lot out of them. He bounced back two summers ago because of this skill and landed two solid guys in Eaves and Bertuzzi, and then later he brought in Miller. Only one of his long-term prospect contracts has worked out economically in the context of the Wings system, and that's Kronwall's deal, and he was and is a different kind of player. His other three similar signings have progressively gone from weak to terrible.

This really has to stop. It's getting worse, and it's going to continue to cause us to miss out on better players. Signing Ericsson at $3.25 million just profoundly devalued the Red Wings product. Devaluing your product is a huge mistake in any business; it may be the biggest mistake a business can make! How on earth is the same team going that signed Brad Stuart for $3.75 million/year starting 3 years ago and Jonathon Ericsson for $3.25 million/year for Ericsson now going to land another player of Stuart's quality for less than $5-6 million? Why should anyone take a discount to come here if Jonathon Ericsson is making $3.25 million a year? And again, you think Jimmy Howard isn't more than a little pissed off right about now?

And Babcock...he really must be livid.

Holland's once again been caught moving too slow, unwilling to take chances, unwilling to move guys we've invested in despite underperformance, and generally lacking in any sort of foresight. Not only has he failed to make moves that would have helped the team as the seasons have gone on, he's failed to set the team up to enter free agency with poise should he have more serious holes to fill. If he didn't really see at least the potential for Rafalski's retirement coming, then he's definitely slipping. I wonder though, because again, what did he do to help set us up to be ready beforehand, let alone in the last month since we've known? What do we have to show for it thus far?

Jonathon Ericsson has signed a 3-year, $9.75 million deal.

#2193083 Holland Appreciation Thread

Posted by gcom007 on 30 June 2011 - 11:31 PM

It's not the years that everyone is pissed about. We knew it'd be for more than one season.

It's the money. If anyone predicted the price 24 hours ago, they'd be laughed off of LGW.

Over the last few days I had resigned myself to the idea of Ericsson making $2 million a year. I figured the way this off-season has gone, Holland would have to give a bit more to keep him.

$2 million.

That was a painful idea. This is Mr. Giveaway we're talking about here. He's another sloppy season away from Lebda territory.

It'll only be worse now with this contract. That $3.25 million puts a huge target on his back for critics, as if he needed it. He's been a lightning rod for more often than not deserved criticism for more than a little while now. I mean, thus far, the guy peaked before he was ever a regular! He's never been even close to solid as a regular for any significant span of time. Sure, he could get better, but the way he's played so far had me wholly content to let him walk if he expected a payday. No problem. Let someone else take that chance; he hasn't earned it in Detroit.

I just don't even know...

Without question, this is the worst signing Holland has made as a GM. I didn't like Flip's old deal much but it honestly looks outstanding compared to this malarky.

$3.25 million for a 5th defenseman who's most notable skill has been a knack for bonehead plays in our zone.

Again, I say, what kind of crazy f***ed up world do we live in where Jonathon Ericsson is worth $3.25 million a year?

#2193068 Wings re-sign Ericsson to 3-year, $9.75m contract

Posted by gcom007 on 30 June 2011 - 11:05 PM

That's why players have agents. I'm sure Ericsson's agent told him to wait until the end of the year to sign, and he'd make more money.

Trust me, give it 2 weeks, and this will look like a good deal.

No way.

And I'm not even one of the Holland-bashing, superstar-free-agent-signing (in my armchair) types. This has got bad deal written all over it for this organization. Again, I've historically been a Holland supporter and have rarely if ever outright bashed him, but this is as bad of a deal as he's ever made.

Literally for the very first time I am starting to wonder if Holland is slipping as a GM for this club. He's obviously a smart guy who has had a ton of success, but perhaps he's getting to a point where the history is clouding up his decision making somewhat.

This is just a flat-out bad deal unless Ericsson turns up his game a whole lot. He hasn't been able to do so since his initial break with the team, but I've never put much stock in the GR kids performances when they're just up here filling in. The pressure they face as fill-ins is profoundly different than the pressure they face being up here every day and being a part of the machine that's expected to perform a certain way. Ericsson has struggled a great deal with consistency and his mental game is a total mess. I'm not saying he's a horrible player and doesn't deserve a chance, but for $3.25 million?!?

How utterly flabbergasted must Jimmy Howard be right now?

The guy created his own fair share of problems leading to his struggles this past regular season, but he also had a lot of help from the likes of Ericsson. Meanwhile, Howard signs a 2-year deal for $2.25 million after a Calder-quality rookie year, some playoff struggles and some regular season struggles. He follows it up with an outstanding playoff performance.

Then Big E who's struggled basically his entire NHL career since arriving as a regular on the team signs a 3 year deal making a million more bucks a year!?!?

Howard's a team guy; he's not about to make it an issue, but you better believe that this pisses him right off.

#2192037 No, No, NO! Jagr interested in Detroit.

Posted by gcom007 on 29 June 2011 - 06:31 PM

I really hope we didn't offer him 4 million. LGW.com will have a meltdown if that's the case.

I'm not sure I'm wholly convinced that Jagr wouldn't be worth $4 million. I could see him putting up 25-30 goals and 70-80 points on this team playing with Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen and hell, even Cleary and Bert to some extent. There are a lot of guys with good hands on this team that would only serve to benefit Jagr, just as Jagr would benefit them. He's not just a former star, he's a former superstar; a bonafide all-time great hockey player. Even slowed down by age, he's still likely to be capable of some real strong play and that could easily translate to a lot of points.

That is, if he can stay healthy...

There's the rub.

But bottom line, if we were to sign him and he put up 80 points, no one would be complaining about a $4 million contract.

And I believe the rumor of him taking a bit more time to talk to both teams. It only makes sense and doesn't seem like a rumor so much as plain common sense unless he's dead-set on Pittsburgh and fine with any offer at all from them.

#2187781 No, No, NO! Jagr interested in Detroit.

Posted by gcom007 on 22 June 2011 - 01:19 AM

Come on...as much as anyone can worry and speculate and feel uncomfortable about having Jagr on your team, it's impossible to not be somewhat excited about it as well. You're talking about one of the all time greats who has still looked good the last few years. And for either us or Pittsburgh, you're talking about playing him with a class of players that far exceed the quality of those found in the KHL.

Jagr and Datsyuk???

Of course Lidstrom is excited!

I get the reservations. I've got them too...plenty of them.

But come on...anyone who says that there's not at least a small (or large) part of them excited about the possibility of Jagr as a Wing is lying.

Modano would have worked out fine if not for the freak injury thing; he was obviously starting to get in a groove and meshing with the Wings.

But as good as Modano was, Jagr was much better - everything erodes over time, but Jagr's skills have a lot further to go downhill.

Lidstrom would be much more diplomatic if he was just being kind - "Well, the decision is of course up to Holland, but Jagr is obviously a great talent." - something like that. It honestly sounds like Nick would be excited to have him on the team.

I don't know how people continue to think they can logically justify the idea of the Modano signing being a mistake when a freak injury wholly and completely derailed his season. It's getting way past fuzzy logic and heading straight into "stupid" territory. No, make that "stoopid" territory. That's right...with two "O's."

#2184972 SCF: Boston Bruins vs. Vancouver Canucks

Posted by gcom007 on 13 June 2011 - 08:17 PM

Unbelievable. Luongo is going to need a witness protection program if he can't pull off game 7.

And at this rate, game 7 is set up to be insane.

Boston should win this series. Tim Thomas isn't going to let up for game 7. No way in hell. He's the best goalie in the NHL right now and he's got a tremendous amount of composure.


Unless Luongo really cracks under pressure (which he has numerous times), he'll likely bring his A-Game to to game 7. And it's in Vancouver! It's going to be absolutely insane...just insane.

I'm a little scared of what will happen if it goes down, but what the hell, they deserve it...


#2179496 Brian Rafalski announces retirement after 11 NHL seasons

Posted by gcom007 on 25 May 2011 - 10:41 AM

They don't come classier than Rafalski. That was an incredibly gracious announcement, refreshing to hear from a professional athlete. It's a bit sad to see him go, but I'm going to take his advice and be happy for him. He really loves his family and now he'll have a lot more time for them. He had a great career, and I'm glad he was able to play for the Wings and help us win a Cup.

#2179108 Brian Rafalski announces retirement after 11 NHL seasons

Posted by gcom007 on 24 May 2011 - 02:39 PM

This whole "discussing his playing future," even though it's all but been confirmed that he's retiring signals to me that he will be immediately moving to the front office in some capacity.

The really intersting thought, that some will hate to hear, is could he be a candidate for assistant coach? Haha! This would warrant the smoke-screen that Kenny is putting up around his retirement tomorrow.

Bring on the hate!

The phrasing "Red Wings general manager Ken Holland and Brian Rafalski will host a press conference on Wednesday to discuss the veteran defensemanís future with the organization," is somewhat interesting. I too wondered for a brief moment if he wouldn't be considered for the assistant coaching job, but I'm highly doubtful. Wouldn't be shocked at all though to see him get some role in the organization. He's one of the best U.S. players ever, a local guy and he won a championship with us. Why not?

#2175161 Bigger Picture Question - What was the deciding factor?

Posted by gcom007 on 13 May 2011 - 02:25 PM

We almost beat this team with numerous significant injuries. I doubt Z was 100% and at the very least had some rust to deal with starting out. Dats had the wrist issue, despite still being the best player in the series without a doubt. Franzen was just a mess. That's your 3 top offensive players dealing with injuries.

Then you think about the fact that we did take it to game 7, and consider that in that game, already playing with no Franzen, an injured Datsyuk and maybe still an injured Z, you lose Cleary and Bertuzzi completely. And still, you're in the game to the final seconds and lose by one goal.

Give me a break.

The Sharks are living on a strong prayer named Antti Niemi and the Wings didn't have the firepower to finish them off.

I have no problem admitting that the Wings aren't perfect and have problems, and I am probably one of the few here that genuinely respects and admires other teams in the league. But I won't for a second say that the better team won that series. I don't believe it at all. We had some bad luck with injuries...that were at times caused or exacerbated by Joe Thornton cheap shots. I'm not going to give my respect or props to the Sharks. They won, that's far more than they deserve for their efforts, and I don't think they'll get to 16, let alone 12.

But we will be back.

#2175144 Who Stays? Who Goes?

Posted by gcom007 on 13 May 2011 - 02:05 PM

My thoughts:

As Good As Signed:

Lidstrom, obviously. No way he retires. Not. A. Chance.

Eaves is going to be a Wing for life unless he completely prices himself out of the possibility, which I really doubt will happen. He's thrived here and gets hockey tradition and he knows what it means to wear this jersey. I'm expecting a longer deal, 3-4 years at least if not more, and I expect he'll sign for around $1.5 million, give or take. He's still got lots of upside we've yet to see.

On the Bubble:

Salei signing again wouldn't shock me, but I wouldn't be shocked if he was gone either.

Osgood wants to play and was strong in the backup role this year when healthy. But the health factor is everything and I don't expect anything to be finalized on the backup job until after camp unless Osgood decides he's done. If he's truly healthy, he'll be back.

Drew Miller may be gone if the Wings don't assure him that he has a full-time role on the team. He's too good of a player to sit in the press box every other night and he knows it. If neither Draper nor Modano are brought back, I think he'll be a Wing for awhile.

Most Likely Gone:

Draper and Modano are most likely done. The only way I see them coming back is if we really struggle to find guys to fill out the team.

Ericsson is likely to be gone as he'll likely chase money and I'm sure he'll find more than the Wings are willing to give.

Joey MacDonald was fairly strong down the stretch when we needed him and might try to leverage that into more money and a legitimate backup role. I'm not convinced the Wings are comfortable giving him either. If no one bites though, he'll at least be at camp competing.

Players Under Contract That Could Be Moved:

***Ultra-Speculatory Warning***

Filppula will be heading into the final year of a 5-year deal in which after every year the Wings were left waiting for the true breakout year. I'm not sure the Wings will be keen on signing him again at $3 million a year or more given this fact, so again, if the right deal came up, I think he could be dealt. He could make more money on another team and play a bigger role, and the Wings know this. They'll have to decide how much he's worth to them and if it'll be enough to keep him here once the current contract expires. I highly doubt it'll happen, but for all his brilliant flashes, he simply hasn't consistently been strong enough to consider the possibility out of the question.

Hudler has been disappointing this year to say the least. If the right deal were to come up, I don't think the Wings would hesitate to move him. Then again, I don't expect it much at all let alone over the summer. If he has a descent start to the season and a good deal came along to make while his stock was up, he's gone. So long as he's here though, he'll continue to be given every opportunity to consistently realize his offensive potential. If he continues to struggle through next year with no trade, I can tell you one thing for certain: he will not be a Wing for the 2012-13 season.

#2173001 Vancouver's Green Guys

Posted by gcom007 on 12 May 2011 - 10:58 AM

I think it's hysterical. A lot of people need to lighten up.

#2159776 Question: Why do Wings fans hate the Canucks?

Posted by gcom007 on 28 April 2011 - 01:28 AM

I don't hate the Canucks, just like I don't hate the Sharks. I'm just consistently disappointed by them. Unlike many here, I really love good, strong competition. I don't like feeling like there's no competitive teams out there. But you look at the teams that have consistent regular season success over the years out of the West and the Wings are about the only one's that have gone the distance. Sharks? Canucks? They constantly blow it when it really matters. Even last year when they beat an injury-riddled Wings with a rookie goalie who didn't get playoff hockey yet, the Sharks blew it in the Western Finals. And how long has it been since the Canucks even made it that far?

I just don't respect or really admire these flashy regular season teams that have no playoff legs. And I don't like Luongo. I think he's overpaid and overrated and he epitomizes everything that's wrong with teams like the Canucks and Sharks.

When we play Chicago, I hate them with a tenacious passion, but at all other points in time, I respect them and even kinda like them. They're a team with heart and talent and I think they'll win another Cup sometime in the next few years. I appreciate the fact that they bring a legitimate challenge to the table that I think we'll be able to count on for some time. Again, I love the battle and the competition. It makes victories sweeter when they come our way.

But so long as the Wings are healthy, I'm not intimidated by the Sharks or Canucks even a little bit. Not in the slightest. And even if they can fluke their way to a series win against us, deep down I know that they still won't go the distance and win the Cup, and that makes it all the more disappointing. I would love to be more scared of the Sharks or Canucks, because I'd like and respect them more as well because it'd be more fun to play them.

But they just don't have what it takes year after year, and until they do, they're just annoying, overrated teams that will keep getting beat by supposed "underdogs" in the playoffs.

#2135976 Jimmy Howard watch thread

Posted by gcom007 on 25 March 2011 - 08:39 PM

Great post, I get really sick of hearing about how awful our defense is. I mean it certainly isn't the best in the league, but they make it sound like we have an AHL defense out there. Every defense makes mistakes, gives the puck up, and fails to cover a man every once in a while. I just don't see how so many can assign basically all the blame on the defense and non on the goaltending.

It goes both ways. In terms of the goaltending, the defense was just as bad if not worse last year and Howard played great despite it, so this year when he struggles, it's really tough to just sit around and blame the defense. He was making all the big saves last year, and he wasn't making them this year. His issues became more glaring and his tendencies more exposed, allowing guys to better figure out how to beat him. So I'm with you there.

But the other reality of the matter is that our defense underachieves big time as well.

Sure, other teams have their fair share of defensive issues, but they also don't have near as strong of a group of guys as we do. There's no excuse for how poorly they've played since we last won the Cup because nearly the same group proved game in and game out for a couple years that they were about the best defensive group in the league. They should just be improving as the younger guys mature. Hell, we didn't even have to deal with Lebda this year!

Plain and simple, the defense has been mediocre through 3 regular seasons now. Howard played great to battle through it last year. This year, Howard hasn't played as great so he couldn't battle through it in such a strong manner. This is simple. Why anyone continues to try and blame either the goalies or the defense more than the other this year is way beyond me.

#2135974 Jimmy Howard watch thread

Posted by gcom007 on 25 March 2011 - 08:29 PM

Goaltending is always going to be a question mark to people in Detroit. You name any goalie in our last 4 cup championship teams, and all of them have been under the magnifying glass. Even after they win a cup, no respect is given to them. This is the way it is always going to be in Detroit. Even last year when Howard was solid in net and helping us get into the playoffs, people here and other Wings fans I know never gave him any credit. Today, its no different. If Howard plays amazing, it is what he is supposed to do. Anything less, and its horrible. Being as that no goalie plays at that high of a level every game, there is no goalie who is good enough to goaltend in Detroit.

Are you kidding me? Who wasn't giving Howard credit last year? I don't recall anyone who said much of anything other than he was just about the only reason we even made the playoffs. At most, there were people critiquing certain elements of his game that were problematic. Rebound control has always been an issue that gets attention and he had a tendency of having rather glaring bad games every 5-6 starts, though the other starts tended to be a good to great efforts. but that was about the extent of it. I really don't think anyone knocked Howard's play last year during the regular season and he didn't get the Calder nomination by accident.

That said, once the playoffs kicked in, he took a lot of flack, but that's to be expected when you set such a high standard for your play during the regular season and then you don't even come close to playing at that level in the playoffs when you're really supposed to be elevating your game. And aside from just a generally lackluster performance, he gave up too many soft goals at inopportune times and too many fast back to back goals early on in games. The same type of play got Hasek pulled in 2008.

So of course the fans are going to be upset and doubtful over the summer. Playoffs are everything. If you don't have it in the playoffs, it doesn't matter what you can do in the regular season. That's why this year is so important for him.

And then when you look at this year, there's little you can say to really dispute people who are skeptical. I'm honestly optimistic right now given the last few weeks as I outlined before, and I really would like to see the guy have a successful outing this year, but realistically, I can't make an objective argument to suggest that people are wrong to have concerns heading into the playoffs. He had a rough year any way you shake it, a rough first playoff experience, and it's far too easy (and historically you're far more likely...) to join the rookie year wonder club for goalies. And again, let's not forget that it took him longer to get here at all because he was slow to develop and only got a shot because Detroit was out of minor league options for him.

So again, you can't really sit here and say that no one gave him any credit last year because that is so far from the truth, and you can't completely blame those who are skeptical of him given the way things have progressed over time. At this point, I'm with you in thinking that there's a fair amount to be excited about and I really do like his chances of excelling in this post-season. I think he's bring his game up at the right time and so long as he keeps improving, he's going to be in a real good spot for game 1 of round 1.

If he can battle through the pressure and elevate his game, he'll be successful when it counts, and trust me, you won't be needing to defend him for awhile. In the meantime, I wouldn't pay too much mind to those doubting; they've got objective reasons to be concerned. Just give it time. We'll know a lot by game 4. And by game 5, I think he'll either be in and playing well, or on the bench and on his way to being traded. I don't see a lot of in-between. If he blows it, I don't see the Wings wasting time hoping he'll get it right the 3rd time. He's got a contract that'll be really easy to slide into a deal for a new goalie.

But he's also got the potential to be great, and I think and hope he will be.

Either way, there's little we really know until we get there.

#2135066 Osgood on LTIR

Posted by gcom007 on 23 March 2011 - 06:15 PM

i know people are gonna bash me for saying this. but it was kind of selfish for ozzie to claim he'd be find and back by march. he put his own hopes ahead of the interest of the team. we could have gone out and got a replacement at the deadline, but he insisted that he'd be back. now you get a situation where howard will be run into the ground by the second round. i like joey, but i don't think he's big game material. ozzie needed to give this team a chance to win by being completely honest about the seriousness of his situation. he kept downplaying it like it was nothing. i just don't think thats the actions of a team player. sounds like an old guy desperate for one last shot.

There's these people called doctors that have been signing off on this too. You really think a professional hockey team is just going to be going on the word from the player? Don't be silly. And even so, I doubt it was a matter of Osgood being expected to be ready so much as a lack of guys available that were worth moving on.


Oh yeah, the same "team player" probably suffered a worse injury playing through the pain earlier in the season when Howard was playing like garbage. He put his own health on the line to try and help the team, knowing full well that these sorts of injuries are harder to come back from at his age. It's fine to be upset that he's not healthy and all; it's disappointing. But don't question the guy's character over it. That's just absurd. The guy loves this team as much anyone who's ever worn the jersey.