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#2199084 Chris Osgood announces retirement

Posted by gcom007 on 18 July 2011 - 04:17 PM

Anyone who thinks Ozzie sucks is clearly delusional. At the same time, anyone that isn't even the slightest bit concerned for stability at the number 2 spot given his health concerns is no different.

Yep. I'm pretty indifferent about it considering we've got Macdonald, but I'm honestly still surprised. I think Osgood is still capable of playing well if he can stay healthy, but we'll see. If Holland is comfortable with it, I'm comfortable. They wouldn't bring him back for charity.

#2196276 "We feel good with the people we have," Holland said

Posted by gcom007 on 04 July 2011 - 09:22 PM

There's no reason to leave $7M for the trade deadline. $3M is plenty so we basically will have $4M to sign a backup and make another move.

No reason to spend it just to spend it either. The Wings are obviously not opposed to spending up to the cap, but they're not just going to sign guys just to sign them. It makes no sense. There's no way we sign anyone new at this point sans a backup goalie at what will likely be less than $1 million.

At this point, signing anyone else means more press box rotation for guys who shouldn't be in the press box. If anything is to happen, I'd expect that we'll see a package that sends Flip, Hudler, a defenseman (probably Ericsson) plus picks out for a 2nd/3rd line forward and a bonafide top-4 defenseman. I don't see Hudler getting dealt outside of a package with someone actually valuable like Flip. I just can't imagine Hudler/Ericsson/picks would be enticing enough for anyone to move a legit top-4 defenseman. You need someone who's proven to be a valuable asset to get anything of value and the only guy we have like that that's tradable is Flip.

I don't like speculating too much on this stuff though, and I honestly don't really think much if anything will happen. Holland's proven himself to be more cautious with trades lately and while our defense is far from perfect, it's got plenty of potential. In my mind, nothing is going to happen if it doesn't make all the sense in the world to Holland. That won't be easy.

#2196254 "We feel good with the people we have," Holland said

Posted by gcom007 on 04 July 2011 - 07:02 PM

“We like our team, but we’re ready to make another move or two—whether it’s a signing or a trade—to make our team better this summer,” Holland said.


He's not going to say "Damn we're in need of a top-tier d-man that I hope to get via trade." You know... because he doesn't want to get rail-roaded by the team he wants to trade with.


I still don't like the Ericsson deal at all, but I like the White deal a lot and I'm at least neutral on the Commodore deal all things considered. The defensive coach is probably more important right now if we end up not making any more moves this summer.

And of course, I'm very happy with getting Eaves and Miller signed up again for a bit here. I think Eaves has a lot of untapped potential that we've yet to fully see. I'm thinking this year Hudler will be out of the way more one way or another (via trade or he simply won't get any benefit of the doubt if he doesn't produce...) and that could translate to a real opportunity for Eaves to jump up and make an impact. He's got some solid skill, a terrific work ethic and he's tough to play against on every shift. I could see him turning into a Dan Cleary type of guy in terms of development. And with Miller, he's got skill too and he proved that he can contribute last year despite being really frustrated, so hopefully he goes out and makes a splash this year. Those two deals are rock solid.

I'm expecting Osgood back at this point. They wouldn't do it if there were still serious concerns about his health, so I'm fine with it. I tend to think it wasn't nearly as big of an issue as it appeared so much as he was just pushing it too fast and too soon to try and get back when Howard was struggling. If Osgood can play, I don't think there's a better option because he's still a great mentor to Howard and you know he'll be dirt cheap and bring zero locker room issues. If Howard hadn't had such a strong playoff outing, I'd rather see them take a (huge) chance on signing Emery (into the Lidstrom school of Obedience, Discipline and Composure). But between the option of say Conklin and a healthy Osgood, I'd prefer Osgood.

As far as future deals this summer, I'll believe it when I see it. I'm sure Holland would like to make a move or two and will try to, but I'm not holding my breath. He's definitely not going to shout it to the heavens either way. I think he'll make a deal at some point though to improve the defense and perhaps even the offense, but I think it'll come in the November-December time-frame when a few teams start pulling out of the playoff race. He'll try to get in before there's all the deadline demand playing into things. He's got Hudler, Flip and E that he can afford to move if you ask me. Huds is all but worthless, E has a "rest of the NHL-friendly" contract and Flip would simply be a great addition to any team lacking disciplined, solid two-way centers.

We'll see...

#2193914 Wings re-sign Ericsson to 3-year, $9.75m contract

Posted by gcom007 on 01 July 2011 - 01:01 PM

So what you are saying is it's absurd for anyone to think Ericsson will ever become the caliber of player as a Datsyuk? Well...duh! Lol.

People were outraged at Datsyuk and Kronwall's contract at first, now they are playing above their potential, that's the point.

Ericsson will never be more than a #3 guy at best. But he will become a solid #4 and may even QB the 2nd unit on the PP in the near distant future. $3.25 is a bargain (in this current salary cap world) for a #4, potentially a future #3.

27 is young for a defenseman, people act like he's on the downside of his aging career. Lidstrom didn't even peak till age 30. Chara didn't even start putting it together til his 6th or 7th year in the NHL. Ericsson has played 2 seasons.

You act like everyone knew Kronwall was going to be a future 1-2 dman. It was projected, but nobody on LGWs believed it. NOBODY! - The forum was outraged.

Datsyuk and Kronwall both had done more to earn their pay day. They had leverage in their negotiations based on their performance AND their potential. Ericsson has surrendered leverage to Holland because of his poor performance and is getting a payday based solely on the hope that he might live up to some potential and maybe give them reason to think that he's not just a 5-6 defenseman. He will never be a #4 guy if he doesn't seriously improve his mental game and thus far, he has done nothing to suggest he'll magically get it together.

I don't know if you're just a big Ericsson fan, but you just seem incredibly biased here. You're bring all these other names into it but ignoring that while they were young, they actually were well on their way to performing at a level demonstrative of their potential. Ericsson hasn't come anywhere remotely close to doing that since joining this team as a regular. He's done nothing but struggle.

Now I full admit that I think he does have potential and I think he still has a chance to live up to it, but I think this signing is completely out of characteristic for the Wings and sets a terrible precedent. Better players have walked for less in years past. If E wasn't willing to take $1.8-2 million to be a Red Wing, Holland should have let him walk.

Holland should have made Howard the bar especially after his outstanding playoff performance. Howard's your starting goalie and he took a team-first contract, signing for less to stay and in return getting a chance to prove himself on an elite club. That's exactly what should have been put on the table for Ericsson. I would be 100% fine with a deal like that. And that's generous considering even with Howard's struggles, he's still had far more positive moments than negatives thus far in his career.

But a 3-year deal worth almost $10 million? That's just a stupid deal for the Detroit Red Wings. They never cared about the open market and it's served them well. If you're not willing to play ball within the system, go find a payday somewhere else. Better, more proven players have left for less than Ericsson signed for, even proportional to the changing cap. That's why this deal is a joke. It's less about Ericsson and more about setting terrible precedents.

#2193808 Wings re-sign Ericsson to 3-year, $9.75m contract

Posted by gcom007 on 01 July 2011 - 12:34 PM

Kronwall and Datsyuk were overpaid too. Kenny you mad man!!!!11

This is so profoundly off the mark, even if you take every slappy into account and double the amount of absurdity flying around back then.

Can you really not see the difference between a superstar like Datsyuk, a future number 1-2 defenseman in Kronwall and then Ericsson, a guy who's done nothing but struggle, play sloppy hockey and underperform on every front on his way to the number 5 spot?

#2193662 Wings not offering contract to Jagr

Posted by gcom007 on 01 July 2011 - 11:45 AM

Any source?


It'll be really interesting to see what happens at this point. Strangely enough, I think it may almost be more likely that he signs with the Wings now than before we were "out." The Pens being out is a much bigger deal and when he stops to really reevaluate, a Detroit offer might look pretty good.

#2193184 Patrick Eaves Watch Thread.

Posted by gcom007 on 01 July 2011 - 03:19 AM

I know Eaves will sign, I just want to know for how long and what kind of money. I'm betting shorter term again. Probably 2 years. He wants a bigger role, a chance to prove himself. If Holland has any negotiating poise left, he'll leverage that into a cheaper short term deal that allows him to play for his next contract.

Whatever though. All I care about is getting him signed. I want this guy to retire as a Wing.

#2193182 Wings re-sign Ericsson to 3-year, $9.75m contract

Posted by gcom007 on 01 July 2011 - 03:05 AM

Only one of Franzen or Hossa was going to be resigned.

Says who? You might want to get your facts straight before calling me out. Holland had a deal on the table for Hossa up to the moment he signed with Chicago. He absolutely wanted to and tried to sign both players. The only debatable element is how hard did he try to do so?

Franzen agreed to terms, Hossa did not (nor did I ever hear about him saying he'll take a discount).

He absolutely went on the record numerous times saying he would take a steep discount. I believe the cap hit he and his agent wanted was around $5 million from the Wings, though I'm too tired to search for sources now. But after all, he ended up signing in Chicago for $5.5 million cap hit, so $5 million certainly isn't a logical stretch, and it'd be a phenomenal number to have a superstar like Hossa signed for.

It was Franzen who stopped us from getting Hossa, not Flip. If you're going to bring things up at least get your facts straight.

Neither of these things are true. Franzen didn't stop us from getting Hossa. He signed first but Holland didn't stop negotiating with Hossa. Flip has always been the most logical guy to move to clear cap space. He'd net the best return for the Wings and he's never played up to his contract in the context of the Wings system (though he'd be underpaid on many other teams, he's a good player, just very dispensable in the Wings system). Holland wanted to sign them both, but he wanted them both for the amount that Franzen signed for. While Franzen shouldn't have and didn't blink an eye at it considering the relative newness of his stardom, Hossa is a career elite player with a complete game worth $8-9 million a year if not more on the open market. Holland could've said goodbye to Samuellson and Hudler before they got the chance to say goodbye first and focused on getting Hossa signed for around $5 million. Then he could have traded Flip for some solid picks and have a bit of cap space to play with to bring in guys like he eventually did such as Bertuzzi and Eaves. He then has to deal with cap hell for 1 year before it all opens up again, and he'll have weathered the storm and come out alive with Hossa signed to an outstanding contract.

But he didn't want to take the risk. Not just with Hossa, but with anyone. He signed Franzen and then half-assed everything else and watched all of his free agents walk away. He admitted himself that he was taken by surprise. He didn't play it write. He didn't focus on what he so often preached which is "VALUE." The best move he could have made to get the most value out of his money was focusing on getting Hossa signed, letting Huds and Sammy walk, dealing Flip for picks. Then he could've used his greatest talent in finding under the radar guys and older guys with something left to prove to fill out the roster, much as he had to do anyways after he was left with nothing because he didn't put any real effort into anything.

On topic: This deal is terrible. Like others have said, it sends the wrong message to not only players on the Wings, but to other players around the league. In my opinion he didn't even deserve the 2 mil he was originally offered. I'm hoping Holland has something up his sleeve, or this could make it onto the worst signings by a GM list.

Agreed. Completely...and some. It'll never top Toronto getting fingered, but at the very least, there's a lot of potential for everyone to forget that they ever hated Lebda because they'll be so consumed with their anger over Ericsson.

#2193181 Wings re-sign Ericsson to 3-year, $9.75m contract

Posted by gcom007 on 01 July 2011 - 02:44 AM

Sorry, gang, but when I joined here people were lambasting Kronner at $3m/year. I don't think that by the end of this we'll be sorry.

I think Kronwall was always a different player though. Kronwall has always had the potential to be a number 1 defenseman and he showed that he was capable of living up and growing into it when healthy. The issue was certainly the injuries, and it's still a reasonable concern heading into his next contract. Plus, the injuries were more out of his control than his development and play on the ice.

Ericsson hasn't had the injuries. Ericsson has had nothing but plenty of opportunities and ice time. What has he done the whole time he's been a regular on this Wings team?


Sloppy mental game. Far more than occasionally terrible in our zone with the puck. He doesn't use his size. His offense hasn't come through as many expected it to.

Even accounting for potential, he has done absolutely nothing to deserve $3.25 million a year on this team. It's a slap in the face to too many guys and it's a message to anyone on the outside that the days of taking a discount to come to Detroit are over. The Red Wing product has been devalued by this deal.

Think about that point from another perspective entirely.

Consider Apple. Yes, the computer company. Their products are expensive, but arguably considered to be among the best in many classes. Apple products rarely if ever go on sale, and it's never for long or for too steep of a discount. Even if you don't like Apple, you cannot argue that there is a huge demand among consumers for iMacs, iPhones, iPads, etc...with that kind of demand, they don't need to have sales, and more and more people don't care because they still are getting the most value for their dollar.

What would happen if Apple had sales every other week and sold $499 iPads for $299? How many people would buy an iPad while priced at $499 when they know that they can get one for $299 if they just wait a little? Suddenly the product is devalued. The willingness to spend top dollar is gone because now they know that they can get the product cheaper. It's now worth $299.

Furthermore, when you devalue your product, you anger your loyal customer base who paid top dollar for the same product. Remember when the iPhone first came out? It was $599. A few months later they marked it down to $399. What happened? Everyone who bought the iPhone at $599 got pissed. Apple ended up issuing them all $100 gift certificates for anything Apple sold in an effort to make amends, and they learned a lot from that mistake and have yet to come even remotely close to making it again.

Apple's smart enough to never devalue their product. They do not compromise on this, and they make no apologies for their higher prices particularly with computers. After all, they make a great product that consumers want, so why devalue it, and in doing so kill your profits all while also adding some serious stank to the exclusivity associated with owning products that are so highly valued? It would make no sense.

So what I'm getting at with all of this is that signing Jonathon Ericsson is a lot like Apple having a sale. When Ken Holland is negotiating with a defenseman in the future, he can no longer point to Brad Stuart as an example of where the Wings bar is at. Holland would point at Brad Stuart like Apple pointing at a $499 iPad one week while the defenseman is going to say, "yeah but..." and go on to point to Jonathon Ericsson like when Apple had the same iPad on sale for $299. This single signing more than any other signing Holland has ever made has surrendered a tremendous amount of leverage to the players. It shows weakness. It shatters exclusivity. How great can this team be if they're stuck having to pay Ericsson $3.25 million? Again, no one's going to be anxious to take a huge pay cut to play here after this signing. Count on it.

And to address the "furthermore" from the Apple example, you have to ask, how does Jimmy Howard feel about this? How does Dan Cleary feel about this? What about Brad Stuart? Guarantee you that each and every one of them scratched their heads and got a little (or a lot...) pissed tonight. Also, what does this say to Eaves and Miller now? What about Helm, Abdelkader and Kindl? Every last one of them is thinking one thing that is the same: next time around, I'm going to get mine too.

More and more it seems that Ken Holland is dragging the Red Wing brand through the mud. This signing is by far the clearest proof of that. If he can't pull it together in the next year, I'm going to be more than ready to join those thinking that it's time for him to move on. He's smart enough to still be effective, hopefully here, though if not, certainly somewhere else. At this point though, I think he may be too entrenched in the familiarity and loyalty that goes along with it to make the right decisions. He's compromising too much when he shouldn't, not moving fast enough when he needs to and he just seems wholly unwilling to take risks or deal anyone away to try and make the team better or set the team up to be in a better position to sign guys to make the team better.

Again, I've never been a Holland basher. I've rarely critiqued deals much past occasionally raising an eyebrow. I've given him the benefit of the doubt time and again. But too many negative patterns have been emerging the last 3-4 years that have brought to the point tonight at which I'm for the very first time questioning whether Holland still has what it takes to manage this team.

#2193170 Wings re-sign Ericsson to 3-year, $9.75m contract

Posted by gcom007 on 01 July 2011 - 01:59 AM

I fail to see how anyone can call this deal "bad" at this particular moment. It's not hurting anything. Red Wings have plenty of cap space to afford it, and lots of $$ cash left to improve the team. (No Kenny isn't getting Richards, never was)

How do we know what went on behind the scenes? It sounds like Holland wanted Ericsson for about $1.8 to $2.0 million. Ericsson is in the press speaking how he wants the chance to advance to the next level. Ericsson know's he'd easily get $3.75+ or more tomorrow. So really he took a discount.

Knowing this, Holland probably said:
"Okay, $3.25 then, but if you don't progress, I am packaging you up and trading you! - Ericsson, do you understand that I will trade you if you do not meet my expectations, right?"

Ericsson - "Yes Mr. Holland, I understand!"

[worse case scenario, seven months later Ericsson has not improved, Holland trades him with a pick/prospect for a nice return]

In this market, Holland can get a nice return on Big Rig with this current contract. This is called "asset management". It might not look good right now, but I am sure Kenny has a plan.

I fail to see how anyone can call this anything but a bad deal if not far worse.

The standard or precedent this sets is far more alarming than the actual deal, though the deal is a joke in and of itself. Obviously he'd get that kind of money on the open market, but you have to also ask from who? Teams that are struggling to get to $48 million? Some mid-level teams living on the playoff bubble? Let them pay him that.

I'd rather have a ton of cap space left and pay guys what they're actually worth. I'm sick of Holland signing the players we've developed to contracts they haven't earned that are based solely on hopes that they'll improve. Meanwhile, guys like Drew Miller come in here and work their asses off night after night only to have to wholly undeservedly sit in the press box some nights because we don't have enough roster spots. That's a crap standard to be setting, and it's bound to become more of an issue at this rate.

It's no wonder Miller supposedly isn't close to signing with the Wings right now. I figured that would be the case months ago. Why stay with a team for less money all while sitting in the press box so often, only to watch guys that were lucky enough to get drafted into the system make more money than they deserve and more opportunities? It's stupid. A better example of this problem as it relates to Miller would be Hudler. Talk about a guy who doesn't deserve the opportunities and money he makes...oh yeah, he had no problem making money in Russia for a year to thank us for developing him, giving him chances, giving him a decent contract.

Loyalty is a good thing, as is not giving up on your investments, but any good businessman will tell you that if something isn't working, you don't keep dumping more money into it in hopes that it'll get going. You improve or you move on completely. Ericsson has done absolutely nothing to deserve this deal. It doesn't matter if other teams will pay more. Someone will always pay more. It doesn't even matter to me that it's a weak market right now. Again, I'd rather be paying guys what they deserve, even if that means icing a team at the start of the season with more low-level guys in the mix.

Again, what does this signing say to Jimmy Howard? What does it say to Brad Stuart?!? What does it say to Patrick Eaves and Drew Miller? But more importantly, what does it say to everyone on the outside of the Wings development circle?

It's pretty clear: if you made it into the "Lucky Draft Club," you can underperform and be rewarded with beefy long-term contracts and seemingly unspoken "no-trade" status.

But if you're an outsider, you'll get paid less and benched first, even if you're clearly outperforming a Wings-developed player.

That's not a message the Wings need to be sending. It's the exact opposite of the message they've suggested they want to send, but they've been sending it more and more each passing year.

When we had the chance to sign Hossa for life at a bargain price, Flip should've been traded after going 2 years into his contract without the ever-forthcoming breakout year and they never should've even considered offering Hudler a contract. Hossa came in and played his heart out every night and was willing to take less than he was worth on the open market (even considering the staggered contract) to stay because he wanted to play for the Detroit Red Wings. Flip still hasn't played up to his deal in the context of this organization and Hudler showed how much he valued our loyalty and commitment by leaving us without warning to sign in Russia for more money. If we had said goodbye to them when we should have, we'd still have Hossa and a guy like Miller who's worked incredibly hard to earn a spot on this team wouldn't have to worry about sitting in the press box while a midget who can't get his head straight eats up ice time and salary cap.

This system isn't working.

Even when considering our relative success over the years, it's more in spite of some of these guys than anything. Who in their right mind would say that Hudler helped this team last year? At this point, besides Flip's little fan club, who wouldn't rather have Hossa and Miller in the lineup every night rather than Flip and Hudler? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? Right.

Holland has always stressed "VALUE!" He's been preaching this for years, and for quite a bit of time, he seemed to do a good job of managing to live out what he was preaching. Kronwall's deal raised some eyebrows but he was always a premier prospect who never struggled on the ice so much as staying on and avoiding injuries. But Flip's deal, while not horrible hasn't been great and has caused us to miss better opportunities. Hudler's deal is not completely stupid only because it's just 2 years, but again, it caused us to miss opportunities. Franzen's cap number seems great, but over the long term? It might not be worth it based on the style he plays and his struggles with injury. On top of that, he's also found a way to simply struggle this past season. Given his one-dimensional play and relatively new success, it probably would've made more sense to have a bit higher cap hit but shorter term on the deal.

What happened to the time when someone like Dan Cleary came in on the cheap, played hard, earned a regular spot, earned more ice time, earned bigger opportunities, and then signed reasonable contracts? Eaves and Miller are the same story, except they didn't get more ice time, were not given more opportunities, and it's looking like there's a good chance that at least one of them won't be signing here again. Why? So Hudler can have a shot because we've invested more in him over the years? So Flip can maybe finally have a breakout year to justify his generous contract? So Franzen can be a sniper that doubles as a pylon in our zone and not score goals?

Where's the accountability in this system?

And really, this is the 2nd time in 3 years that we've screwed ourselves over before free agency hits. Holland admittedly was caught off guard two summers ago and I think it's clear by today's signing that he's been caught off guard again. There's no way in hell that I believe Holland would have signed Ericsson for this kind of money if he wasn't flat-out scared (or if this is all part of some crazy sign and trade, at which point all of this frustration will have been for naught...but I doubt it). If Ericsson is the best he can do for $3.25 million, we are not in good shape. Hell, if Ericsson is the best he can do for $1 million, we are not in good shape.

Again, Holland has always pushed value, and he's typically delivered. He and his team have done a great job of bringing in these under the radar guys and older guys on the cheap and getting a lot out of them. He bounced back two summers ago because of this skill and landed two solid guys in Eaves and Bertuzzi, and then later he brought in Miller. Only one of his long-term prospect contracts has worked out economically in the context of the Wings system, and that's Kronwall's deal, and he was and is a different kind of player. His other three similar signings have progressively gone from weak to terrible.

This really has to stop. It's getting worse, and it's going to continue to cause us to miss out on better players. Signing Ericsson at $3.25 million just profoundly devalued the Red Wings product. Devaluing your product is a huge mistake in any business; it may be the biggest mistake a business can make! How on earth is the same team going that signed Brad Stuart for $3.75 million/year starting 3 years ago and Jonathon Ericsson for $3.25 million/year for Ericsson now going to land another player of Stuart's quality for less than $5-6 million? Why should anyone take a discount to come here if Jonathon Ericsson is making $3.25 million a year? And again, you think Jimmy Howard isn't more than a little pissed off right about now?

And Babcock...he really must be livid.

Holland's once again been caught moving too slow, unwilling to take chances, unwilling to move guys we've invested in despite underperformance, and generally lacking in any sort of foresight. Not only has he failed to make moves that would have helped the team as the seasons have gone on, he's failed to set the team up to enter free agency with poise should he have more serious holes to fill. If he didn't really see at least the potential for Rafalski's retirement coming, then he's definitely slipping. I wonder though, because again, what did he do to help set us up to be ready beforehand, let alone in the last month since we've known? What do we have to show for it thus far?

Jonathon Ericsson has signed a 3-year, $9.75 million deal.

#2193083 Holland Appreciation Thread

Posted by gcom007 on 30 June 2011 - 11:31 PM

It's not the years that everyone is pissed about. We knew it'd be for more than one season.

It's the money. If anyone predicted the price 24 hours ago, they'd be laughed off of LGW.

Over the last few days I had resigned myself to the idea of Ericsson making $2 million a year. I figured the way this off-season has gone, Holland would have to give a bit more to keep him.

$2 million.

That was a painful idea. This is Mr. Giveaway we're talking about here. He's another sloppy season away from Lebda territory.

It'll only be worse now with this contract. That $3.25 million puts a huge target on his back for critics, as if he needed it. He's been a lightning rod for more often than not deserved criticism for more than a little while now. I mean, thus far, the guy peaked before he was ever a regular! He's never been even close to solid as a regular for any significant span of time. Sure, he could get better, but the way he's played so far had me wholly content to let him walk if he expected a payday. No problem. Let someone else take that chance; he hasn't earned it in Detroit.

I just don't even know...

Without question, this is the worst signing Holland has made as a GM. I didn't like Flip's old deal much but it honestly looks outstanding compared to this malarky.

$3.25 million for a 5th defenseman who's most notable skill has been a knack for bonehead plays in our zone.

Again, I say, what kind of crazy f***ed up world do we live in where Jonathon Ericsson is worth $3.25 million a year?

#2193068 Wings re-sign Ericsson to 3-year, $9.75m contract

Posted by gcom007 on 30 June 2011 - 11:05 PM

That's why players have agents. I'm sure Ericsson's agent told him to wait until the end of the year to sign, and he'd make more money.

Trust me, give it 2 weeks, and this will look like a good deal.

No way.

And I'm not even one of the Holland-bashing, superstar-free-agent-signing (in my armchair) types. This has got bad deal written all over it for this organization. Again, I've historically been a Holland supporter and have rarely if ever outright bashed him, but this is as bad of a deal as he's ever made.

Literally for the very first time I am starting to wonder if Holland is slipping as a GM for this club. He's obviously a smart guy who has had a ton of success, but perhaps he's getting to a point where the history is clouding up his decision making somewhat.

This is just a flat-out bad deal unless Ericsson turns up his game a whole lot. He hasn't been able to do so since his initial break with the team, but I've never put much stock in the GR kids performances when they're just up here filling in. The pressure they face as fill-ins is profoundly different than the pressure they face being up here every day and being a part of the machine that's expected to perform a certain way. Ericsson has struggled a great deal with consistency and his mental game is a total mess. I'm not saying he's a horrible player and doesn't deserve a chance, but for $3.25 million?!?

How utterly flabbergasted must Jimmy Howard be right now?

The guy created his own fair share of problems leading to his struggles this past regular season, but he also had a lot of help from the likes of Ericsson. Meanwhile, Howard signs a 2-year deal for $2.25 million after a Calder-quality rookie year, some playoff struggles and some regular season struggles. He follows it up with an outstanding playoff performance.

Then Big E who's struggled basically his entire NHL career since arriving as a regular on the team signs a 3 year deal making a million more bucks a year!?!?

Howard's a team guy; he's not about to make it an issue, but you better believe that this pisses him right off.

#2192037 No, No, NO! Jagr interested in Detroit.

Posted by gcom007 on 29 June 2011 - 06:31 PM

I really hope we didn't offer him 4 million. LGW.com will have a meltdown if that's the case.

I'm not sure I'm wholly convinced that Jagr wouldn't be worth $4 million. I could see him putting up 25-30 goals and 70-80 points on this team playing with Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen and hell, even Cleary and Bert to some extent. There are a lot of guys with good hands on this team that would only serve to benefit Jagr, just as Jagr would benefit them. He's not just a former star, he's a former superstar; a bonafide all-time great hockey player. Even slowed down by age, he's still likely to be capable of some real strong play and that could easily translate to a lot of points.

That is, if he can stay healthy...

There's the rub.

But bottom line, if we were to sign him and he put up 80 points, no one would be complaining about a $4 million contract.

And I believe the rumor of him taking a bit more time to talk to both teams. It only makes sense and doesn't seem like a rumor so much as plain common sense unless he's dead-set on Pittsburgh and fine with any offer at all from them.

#2187781 No, No, NO! Jagr interested in Detroit.

Posted by gcom007 on 22 June 2011 - 01:19 AM

Come on...as much as anyone can worry and speculate and feel uncomfortable about having Jagr on your team, it's impossible to not be somewhat excited about it as well. You're talking about one of the all time greats who has still looked good the last few years. And for either us or Pittsburgh, you're talking about playing him with a class of players that far exceed the quality of those found in the KHL.

Jagr and Datsyuk???

Of course Lidstrom is excited!

I get the reservations. I've got them too...plenty of them.

But come on...anyone who says that there's not at least a small (or large) part of them excited about the possibility of Jagr as a Wing is lying.

Modano would have worked out fine if not for the freak injury thing; he was obviously starting to get in a groove and meshing with the Wings.

But as good as Modano was, Jagr was much better - everything erodes over time, but Jagr's skills have a lot further to go downhill.

Lidstrom would be much more diplomatic if he was just being kind - "Well, the decision is of course up to Holland, but Jagr is obviously a great talent." - something like that. It honestly sounds like Nick would be excited to have him on the team.

I don't know how people continue to think they can logically justify the idea of the Modano signing being a mistake when a freak injury wholly and completely derailed his season. It's getting way past fuzzy logic and heading straight into "stupid" territory. No, make that "stoopid" territory. That's right...with two "O's."

#2184972 SCF: Boston Bruins vs. Vancouver Canucks

Posted by gcom007 on 13 June 2011 - 08:17 PM

Unbelievable. Luongo is going to need a witness protection program if he can't pull off game 7.

And at this rate, game 7 is set up to be insane.

Boston should win this series. Tim Thomas isn't going to let up for game 7. No way in hell. He's the best goalie in the NHL right now and he's got a tremendous amount of composure.


Unless Luongo really cracks under pressure (which he has numerous times), he'll likely bring his A-Game to to game 7. And it's in Vancouver! It's going to be absolutely insane...just insane.

I'm a little scared of what will happen if it goes down, but what the hell, they deserve it...