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#2078954 12/15 GDT: Blues 2 at Red Wings 5

Posted by gcom007 on 15 December 2010 - 09:53 PM

Detroit needs to not play prevent defense. What a play by Filppula! If only his line-mates weren't both in nasty slumps.


Last time I checked Flip has been "slumping" too. Oh, and his slumping line mates still have better totals and +/- than Flip. Hmm...


#2077764 12/13 GDT: Kings, Lots (5) at Red Wings, None (0)

Posted by gcom007 on 13 December 2010 - 11:39 PM

I think the refs just look at Hudler and think "poor little guy, he's not much of a factor so let's leave him alone".

And yes, I also get worked up when they sit Eaves or Miller because even though they don't score much, they hustle and work hard. Hudler is incapable of doing either. And with Flip, he tries too hard to be a clone of Datsyuk. I rarely see Flip complete a deke. He always loses the puck. But at least Flip has potential to be better and we know this because we've seen it.


I don't buy the potential. He's never shown himself to be even close to consistent at any point in time in his career. He's been a streaky player from day 1. Flashes of brilliance don't demonstrate potential to me. They're all pros. They're all capable of making good plays, but to be able to do so consistently is the key, and again, Flips never come close to showing he can do that. He doesn't have a great shot and he just doesn't have those legitimate goal scoring skills. They would've done better signing him for less money and trying to develop him into a Draper with skill. Signing him based on a "best-case" evaluation of his potential was a rare misstep by Holland. And to this day, pushing a heavy offensive role on him continues to be a mistake.

I mean, how many times has this damn article been written since Flips second season???

Read more: Mike Babcock wants Valtteri Filppula to shoot more as Red Wings host Kings | freep.com | Detroit Free Press http://www.freep.com...s#ixzz183bXRMjz

I've been scratching my head on this guy from the start. I started pulling my hair out when he signed for 5 years. Now, I'm just apathetic. I don't get how so few people can see that we keep saying the same thing about him now again and again. Like...this is his 4th breakout year now...???...shoot the puck more...again...???...it's like Groundhogs Day with this guy.

I really do think he's a descent NHL player and if he focused on his strengths, I think he's got Selke-level defensive skills. But the guy just doesn't have what it takes to put up big points let alone goals. People need to get over it, including Red Wings management.

I just wish they would've done so before they let Hossa go to Chicago...

(I'm still so, so bitter about that.)


#2077733 12/13 GDT: Kings, Lots (5) at Red Wings, None (0)

Posted by gcom007 on 13 December 2010 - 10:48 PM

I guess Howard should have taken a couple shots on net and tried to score, since the offense failed to score. And why is it so freaking hard for the Wings to score on a power play?

Yes, Jimmy has rebound control problems. So you work with him. Everybody has a responsibility on the ice. Can't leave your man wide open. Tie up his stick. Goalies are expected to stop the first shot, but the defense needs to be there for the possible rebounds.


Proportional to their roles, who had a better effort tonight? Howard in goal or the offense?

Did the offense generate a lot of chances, put a lot of pressure on Quick, put a lot of shots on goal, etc...? The offense posted a very solid effort that on any other night easily would've translated to at the very least 2-3 goals if not more. Quick robbed them, pure and simple. He played as close to perfect as possible and we tested him HARD. I don't hold this loss against them. I don't blame them. It's a stupid thing to do on a night like this.

Meanwhile, Howard let 5 goals in, many of which were softer in nature. There's absolutely something to be said for Howard not coming up with a big save to keep it close. That 3rd goal sealed it. When you're playing a goalie who's having a great game and you give up a quick one right off the bat in the 3rd to allow for a 3-goal lead, the game's pretty much over. But again, we didn't score, so it's also pretty stupid to blame Howard for this loss. At the same time, though, he did play pretty bad.

To me, it's not that the Wings lost this game. It wasn't that simple.

The real story: Quick won this game.


#2076729 12/11 GDT: Red Wings 4 at Devils 1

Posted by gcom007 on 12 December 2010 - 04:45 PM

Ozzie looked good, but on the other hand, the Devils are horrible this year. I'd wait for a couple more starts against better teams and see how he does there before declaring he's "back to form" and calling for a 1a/1b situation with Howard.


Osgood's really only had one rough start and even in that start, he was hung out to dry the majority of the time. Watch the video replays and look up the recaps if you don't remember. The rest of the time, Osgoods been solid. And while the Devils are horrible, they dumped quite a few shots on Osgood and many quality scoring chances. Osgood had to be great to hold them to the 1 goal. I'm not saying it should go to a 50-50 rotation yet either, but the idea that Osgood has played poorly this year is unfounded.

I'll say though right now, if Osgood keeps this up and plays at a strong level down the stretch, I would like to see him start in the playoffs. That is where he shines, and Howard stands to learn a lot from watching Osgood when it matters most. I believe in Howard long run, but I also believe in the developmental process. I'd rather go with the veteran and let the next guy learn how it's done especially after Howard's less than stellar run last year.


#2076477 Retire Osgood's #30?

Posted by gcom007 on 11 December 2010 - 10:03 PM

First of all, Ive already proven that nothing I said isn't true. You say he improved going to the islanders, when really his save percentage dropped below .900. What you said is unsubstantiated.

He found a starting position with 2 teams that have had a history of not being that great, especially the islanders, and he played very sub par. Maybe he didn't fall off the map but he did not play better with them like you seem to wanna tell everyone :rolleyes:

Anyways, find me something in this thread that I said about Ozzie that wasn't true and then maybe I'll take you and yuor man crush on Ozzie seriously


Wait, so joining a team that was in last place the previous season and (as many in the New York press said) carrying that same team into the playoffs without the advantage of a great Detroit defense is no big deal?

Can you really not connect the dots simply via stats that he would've had to elevate his game significantly to keep his numbers consistent with those racked up on a far better Detroit team? Did you actually follow his play while he was away even, or are you just going by stats and a bunch of message board, armchair gossip?

You'd be right to suggest that his second year away was a mess, though there were a lot of factors that played into that. But that first year with the Islanders was a strong, strong year for Osgood personally, as again, he basically carried a last place team into the playoffs. The third year was a better effort from his as well before he returned back to Detroit after the lockout. That year he battled injuries early on but he was playing strong hockey by the end of the year, far superior to that of joker Legace who never should've started in the playoffs...ever.


#2076463 12/11 GDT: Red Wings 4 at Devils 1

Posted by gcom007 on 11 December 2010 - 09:43 PM

Osgoods had 1 rough start this year out of his 6 this year and even in that game he had no help at all from his team and was hung completely out to dry on 2-3 of the goals against. He's been nothihng but strong in the rest of his starts this year. The stats now reflect that with a .907 save % and a 2.48 GAA putting him ahead of Howard even on that stat. Bottom line, as many have said again and again, he's anything but "done."

And wait for it: I think his play will improve even more once he gets that 400th. It's a huge mental monkey on his back that will be good to move past.


#2076371 12/11 GDT: Red Wings 4 at Devils 1

Posted by gcom007 on 11 December 2010 - 08:46 PM

The best thing about Osgood getting close to 400 is that I think he'll be a better goalie once it's in the past. Especially with how long it's taken, he's admitted that it's become a bit of a mental burden that he's ready to move on from. Let's hope for a strong 3rd and then maybe Wednesday or next Sunday Osgood can get a home game and a win for 400. I really hope Babs gives him the chance to get it at home. He deserves that with an honor as noteworthy as joining the 400 club.


#2075387 Retire Osgood's #30?

Posted by gcom007 on 10 December 2010 - 07:44 PM

I think Osgood's a lock for the Hall of Fame. They're not going to keep a 400 win goalie out with 3 Cup rings and multiple all star game appearances.

Rafters? Who knows. It's anyone's guess at this point. I think there's more reasons to think he'll be up there than reasons why he won't to be honest, but there still may not be enough reasons to get it up there.

What I think will be interesting to see is how the fan base regards Osgood 5-10 years after he retires. I've always felt with Osgood that it's a "you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone" situation. He's taken for granted around here, and many newer fans don't remember just how good he was in his prime. Maybe if he was more of a nutjob he'd get more accolades, but I think he's a bit to down to earth to get the media attention necessary while around to be considered a big time goalie. The reality of the matter is though that by all the numbers and all the Cups, he's one of the best goalies in the league over the last 20 years. He really is among an elite group of championship goalies with Roy and Brodeur.

Even Hasek only won one Cup, and he's an all time great...


#2075042 Daniel Larsson's comments on Osgood&Howard

Posted by gcom007 on 10 December 2010 - 12:45 AM

If Howard struggles again during the postseason? Howard's save percentage was .915 last postseason, despite the tremendous number of power plays he had to face against the Sharks.


Since stats mean everything???

Do you honestly think Howard played well last post-season? Have you forgotten the story outside the stats? The horrible timing on countless goals? Poor 1st period performances leaving us with our backs against the wall the rest of the game?

Can you honestly say and than objectively defend the idea that he played even close to as well in the playoffs as he did in the regular season? Furthermore, could you say he played well enough at all to win the Cup?

Perhaps you should contrast Howard's playoff run last year against Osgood's last two wildly successful playoff runs, one ending in a Cup and the other a game 7 near miss in which he was a Conn Smyth contender carrying a battered team on his back. Remember that? Datsyuk missed a lot of games and wasn't a force when in. Rafalski missed quite a few. Countless others were hurting pretty bad. Even Lidstrom missed games! So again, just compare those successful runs against Howard's and try to tell me that Howard played well enough to go the distance.

Remember everyone and their mother wanting Osgood in? Osgood! If this silly fan base is panicking enough to want Osgood in, you have to believe that there's something to be said for Howard not getting the job done, exaggerated somewhat or not.

But hell, just look at Babcock's attitude this year heading into the season with Osgood. He's infinitely more supportive of Osgood this year, giving him opportunities and praise early on. Why? It's not hard to read between the lines: Howard didn't have what it takes last year, not even close. And while Osgood may not have it anymore either, after Howard's blatant struggles, Babcock seems determined to not back himself into the same corner with a totally cold Osgood again this year. That says something.


#2075020 Daniel Larsson's comments on Osgood&Howard

Posted by gcom007 on 09 December 2010 - 11:56 PM

That's what people like you and ben_umsc aren't getting or purposefully ignoring. We get that Osgood is close to retiring. Everybody gets that he is currently the back up goalie. Nobody is kissing his rear end. But since you all have such an extreme view of him the opposite way, you all act like a'holes and think that just because other people don't think he is playing subpar, we're all Osgood slappies.

I will repeat, and get it through your think skull, that it has nothing to do with us or fans thinking Osgood will revert to demi-god form or that he'll play like the 2008 playoffs. That is the last thing this thread it is about. It is about knowing your place in an organization and paying respect to people who have been in this organziation longer than you, have accomplished more than you, and know how to go through the NHL grind and stress.

Howard has done that. Osgood has done that. Larsson has not done that, hence him coming off like an a'hole.

Got it?


Good stuff here.

And not that I care what Larsson thinks, nor do I think Howard or Osgood care, but I've gotta say...

I still think Osgood's potential is wildly underestimated by most. Nobody goes from putting on such an outstanding, Conn-Smythe worthy performance back in the 2009 playoffs to being completely "done" the next season. I just don't buy it at all. After all, it's the same crap that was said during the regular season of him before that great playoff run. I don't know what the hell his deal is with the regular season anymore and it is rather, umm, annoying perhaps? But when push comes to shove, it's hard for me to believe that Osgood doesn't still have what it takes to be a money goaltender when it counts. I don't think he was given enough of a chance last year down the stretch to prove anything in the regular season anyways. The situation with the rotation was a joke and as much as it is physically challenging to come in after month long breaks and play strong, the mental frustration he must've gone through sitting for so long could not have helped. I think he's playing better this year; he's had some strong games.

I think Howard's obviously a better regular season goalie at this point in time despite his struggles creeping up more often than not over the last 5-6 games, but even if Osgood was playing worse, I'm not going to lie, I'd feel better heading into the playoffs with him starting than Howard still this year. I like Howard and I think he's got a lot of what it takes to last, but I still think he has lessons to learn while watching, much like Osgood had to learn watching Vernon.

It's easy to rip on Osgood's regular season performance these days, but it's also easy to rip on Howard's playoff performance last year. Even if he wasn't horrible, he was not even remotely close to "great" and in fact he played significantly worse than he played in the regular season. Playoff hockey is a different game, and Osgood knows that very well. If Osgood can continue to compete this season and can begin to challenge Howard, I think it'd be best for the team and Howard (in terms of overall development) if Osgood started. Again, I still think there's a strong possibility that he can be a great playoff goalie.

And again, I'm sorry if it bugs some of you, but if any goalies prove that the regular season and the playoffs are totally different beasts, it's Howard and Osgood...oh, and Manny Legace! Osgood was a vastly superior playoff goalie in the 2009 playoffs than in the regular season and Howard was a far better regular season goalie than playoff goalie in 2010. And Legace is just a joke.

We'll see how it goes, but I still really like both of our goalies for what I believe to be quite rational reasons. Both have strengths and weaknesses. I think both have the potential to get it done when it counts. Howard might have more to learn to get there, but he's more than capable. And I think Osgood likely still has what it takes to go the distance.

Bottom line, Daniel Larsson: I'm not worried.


#2065394 The Todd Appreciation Station

Posted by gcom007 on 19 November 2010 - 04:20 PM

I always liked Bert as a Wing. I was happy when we signed him again because I had a real good feeling that on his end, he signed because he knew leaving was a mistake. Translation: he wouldn't be taking this for granted. He proved it last year and he's proving it even more this year. No better place than Detroit to find redemption and I hope he wins a Cup here. You can tell he's playing for that Cup, maybe this year even more than last. I love the effort he's made and I couldn't be happier to have him as a Wing.


#2059960 11/8 GDT: Coyotes 2 at Red Wings 3 (OT)

Posted by gcom007 on 08 November 2010 - 08:57 PM

You have always liked to make nonsensical complaints. That was the product of a bad bounce.


Fans complain about the Wings.

Crimson complains about fans complaining.

Fans complain about Crymson's complaining about the fan's complaints.

...

Typical GDT on a less than stellar weekday game night...


#2055341 10/30 GDT: Predators 2 at Red Wings 5

Posted by gcom007 on 30 October 2010 - 08:25 PM

Yeah, I'm a bit confused as to why Osgood had anything to do with the point being kept wide open on that last goal, and furthermore, given all the room in the world to skate in, unchallenged. He did eventually find himself out of position, but it's mostly because he was the only Wing to challenge on the play, and he may've even been tripped up a bit by a Preds skate in the process.

Last game Ozzie blew it the first. I've got no beef with him in this game.


#2050236 10/21 GDT: Flames 2 at Red Wings 4

Posted by gcom007 on 21 October 2010 - 07:19 PM

I wonder how long it'll be until Howard is blamed for those goals he had no chance of preventing.


A rare occasion where I'm going to jump on board with you in this one... It seems that no matter how much of a reasonable chance, or should I say utter and complete lack of a reasonable chance, our goalies have to make the save, nice you hit 3-4 GA, the goalie automatically is the problem. It's idiotic. Nothing a goalie can do but hope the puck hits him when your defense sabotages you on plays like the ones we've observed too often with this team.

I don't care what you say about this though: our defense for the third straight season is profoundly inconsistent. This team will struggle unnecessarily until they get the defense playing somewhat close to the level they are more than capable of playing at. These issues with sloppy coverage all boil down to nothing more than mental laziness.

McCrimmon very well may not be the reason for this problem, but he certainly hasn't been able to offer any semblance of a solution.


#2048083 10/16 GDT: Red Wings 2 at Coyotes 1 (OT)

Posted by gcom007 on 16 October 2010 - 08:50 PM

Hey! Let's blame Howard! Sloppy coverage? What's that?