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#2608900 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by gcom007 on 20 May 2015 - 01:00 PM

If you are a Detroit Red Wings fan, you should be very proud of Ken Holland for doing what he just did.


"Money will not be an issue" - yet we were always the lowest bidder in an attempt to resign Mike Babcock (while knowing him better than anyone). To me, I don't see this is as blind arrogance, but as a brilliant play by Holland to say and do what he had to - knowing the process would end with Jeff Blashill coaching this team for the next decade. I honestly am more excited with this information than I would have been had we re-signed Babcock, and lost Blashill.


Babcock is a good coach, and should be praised for his Stanley Cup here - but his resume only shines with accomplishments that were legitimate expectations as well. He inherited Nick Lidstrom, Pavel Datsyuk and Henrik Zetterberg in their prime - yet only took us past the 2nd round of the playoffs in 3 out of 10 years he was in Detroit... (2007,2008,2009). In 2007 we had the most regular season points in the league, and one of the best teams on paper - and we certainly had the best team on paper in both 08/09.


Blashill has coached professionally for less than 6 seasons - and if he wins the Calder Cup this year (which isn't a stretch) he will have 3 championships to show for it. He has also developed more than half of the current Detroit Red Wings roster (who won the Calder Cup 2 years ago), and has since developed players like Pulkinnen, Anthanasiou, and Marchenko the same way he developed the likes of Nyquist, Tatar, and Sheahan. This guy just continues to do it, and seems like he gets more out of these players than Babcock has - albeit at the AHL level.


I don't think we lost the Mike Babcock sweepstakes, but won the Jeff Blashill award.

And on the other hand, you basically just illustrated all my concerns about going with Blashill at this point. He got a lot out of guys at the AHL level, and has had his own success then at the AHL level. But the AHL is not the NHL. Very far from it. A lot of the guys that are in the NHL now have been struggling in the NHL, and it's not because Babcock is magically just not getting something out of them. Some of them are struggling because it's the NHL and it's a tough transition. Some, like Nyquist in particular, are just too damn physically weak right now to play up to their potential consistently.


I'm not saying Blashill isn't a good coach, so don't get me wrong. But to assume he's going to translate his AHL success into the NHL so simply sounds nothing short of ludicrous to me at this point. In time, perhaps. Again, I'm not saying he's a bad coach. But as I said before, any coach, Babcock, Blashill, or otherwise, is going to have a rough time with the Red Wings down the stretch if the defense doesn't get a serious upgrade. 

#2608831 Datsyuk's House

Posted by gcom007 on 20 May 2015 - 12:33 PM

He's going back to Russia. Haven't you heard?

#2608742 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by gcom007 on 20 May 2015 - 10:54 AM

But the question that needs to be asked. Is Babs ego that big that he thinks that he could go into Toronto and make a real hockey team out of them? It has been said that Babs has a very big ego.


He may have an ego, but he's no fool. 

#2608729 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by gcom007 on 20 May 2015 - 10:20 AM

I feel really bad for Blashill. If Babcock leaves, he's set up to fail at this point. The fan expectations for him are already too high. As said, it's like the backup goalie and backup quarterback thing. I'm not saying that to knock the guy at all, but he'd be coming in as a 1st year NHL head coach to a team that as of now still has a lot of problems. Unless Holland finally succeeds at making a marked improvement to the defense, this team will struggle down the stretch under any coach.


That said, Holland could go a long way towards setting Blashill up for success though by improving the D this summer.

I do think it's a bit funny that people think the lines will somehow magically be better with a new coach. Sure, there have been decisions that have been made that seem questionable, but end of the day, we have a lot of 4th line players. There's little you can really do with them when push comes to shove.

#2608664 Question for the Board regarding Babcock

Posted by gcom007 on 19 May 2015 - 09:29 PM


He doesn't deserve that kind of money.  But money is why, as I said in the other thread, Babcock should take this deal from Buffalo.  After another mediocre season in Detroit, his stock won't be any higher.  


I'm slightly more optimistic about our chances personally, but with some of the ideas floating around about how much Buffalo is arguing, it'd be hard to blame him for turning it down. And as rough as Buffalo's been, they're a team that's going to be better before too long. I don't think it's the pipe dream some make it out to be.

#2608629 Question for the Board regarding Babcock

Posted by gcom007 on 19 May 2015 - 04:52 PM

You're welcome to think that way. But it might be better, in the future, to articulate it like that rather than go overboard like you did in your other post and start personally attacking people. I don't think you're a ludite for giving Babcock the benefit of the doubt, but for some reason you saw fit to get personal with the folks you disagreed with. Disagree with me all you want, but don't call names and be rude about it.

What's amusing is that I didn't address anyone directly, didn't quote anyone, and spoke in generalities entirely. What names did I call you specifically again? You're clearly one of the most vocal, but you're hardly the only one in my estimation going off the deep end on this matter.

#2608613 Question for the Board regarding Babcock

Posted by gcom007 on 19 May 2015 - 03:51 PM


I'm not really sure why you're so upset about people commenting on what is, without question, the biggest story in hockey right now. 


Seriously what's the problem?  You just don't like that I'm talking about Babcock in two Babcock related threads?  Or you don't like that I feel differently about it than you obviously do?


I don't mind the discussion at all. What I think is ridiculous is people acting like Babcock himself has somehow directed the little (and I mean "little" literally, this is hockey news/media we're talking about here...) circus in the press surrounding the decision. The guy did one sit-down interview with one of the top hockey media guys and said all the right things no matter what his decision ends up being, in my mind doing so to try to be open and honest about the process, because so many are fascinated by it, for whatever the reason. I don't see that as a big deal at all, and I think he did it to try to quell some of the more ridiculous reporting going on. And as said in the other thread, I don't think he's dragged out the situation at all. Quite the opposite in fact, and he's fully entitled to drag it out a lot longer, but he isn't. This is a good thing for all parties involved, and demonstrative of the fact that again, he's not really dragging this out.


I can totally respect and understand why you believe him to be overrated, honestly. What I think is absurd is that you and so many others are trampling him for the way this whole situation has gone down. He's kept to a relatively tight timetable, been as open as reasonably possible in the right setting, and has said nothing that one should reasonably take as inflammatory. You want a new coach? Fine. I get why you might, even while I think it'd be great to keep him. But most everything else being bandied about by you and many others I view as nothing short of silliness.

#2608599 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by gcom007 on 19 May 2015 - 02:46 PM

I can't wait for this to end so all of this ridiculous whining can stop.

What's more absurd: Babcock taking a few weeks to make a huge decision or fans on a message board pissing and moaning about it incessantly for literally days on end?

You don't like all the media coverage?!? Boof****** hoo. Get over it. Babcock really hasn't done as much to encourage it as many seem so desperate to believe. Really, he hasn't. And he really isn't taking that much time to deal with it. It's not unreasonable that he wants to assess his options at the ten year mark, and it's more than reasonable to take a couple weeks to spend time actually talking to other teams in order to make an informed decision.

Nothing that is happening is outrageous except for how much some people around here want to whine about it. It's out of your control. The media is out of your control. And to what degree the media may be out of control, that is out of Babcock's control.

All things considered, this whole situation is being handled quickly and efficiently. Remember, Holland gave Babcock until the 25th to talk to teams, and Babcock came out and said he'd make a decision by tomorrow, the 20th. Babcock absolutely isn't dragging this out.

#2608477 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by gcom007 on 18 May 2015 - 10:12 PM

Is the Blashill obsession like the backup goalie and the backup quarterback thing in Detroit?

#2608334 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by gcom007 on 18 May 2015 - 12:48 PM


Doesn't he make that now? He deserves a raise anyways.


He makes $400,000 now, double what most AHL coaches make.

#2605404 Locker room Clean-Out Updates

Posted by gcom007 on 01 May 2015 - 02:27 PM




That's some positive sounding dialogue.


Affirms what I thought of his post-game comments. He wasn't really s***ting on anybody. He was sending a message to his younger players; their time is now.

#2605401 Locker room Clean-Out Updates

Posted by gcom007 on 01 May 2015 - 02:25 PM

It was actually reported somewhere that he had broken his hand when Abby left the game in which he was injured. Then magically there was no reference to it after that so the team must have told everyone to keep quiet. 


I've played with a broken toe once and that was no picnic. Ericsson's play was concerning in the playoffs. If it was due to an injury, that is reassuring.


What kills me is that E broke his toe in pre-game soccer. OF COURSE he did...

#2605150 Who is the coach next season?

Posted by gcom007 on 30 April 2015 - 06:24 PM

I also think Babcock was sending a message to his young players that they have to be better and they have to work harder to keep growing into solid NHL players who can compete when it matters most. Guys like Tatar and Nyqvist have a lot of skill and potential, but they're going to have to work harder and get stronger if they want to have a prayer of carrying this team when Dats and Z move on. As of now, they're simply not good enough. Not even close.

#2605148 Who is the coach next season?

Posted by gcom007 on 30 April 2015 - 06:18 PM

After what Babcock said last night, about not being as good anymore (despite making a 7 point improvement over last year, and taking the highest scoring team in the league to 7 games), mentioning the ages of Dats, Z, and Kronwall, and asking who's going to replace Pavs, I'd like to see him go. We have a lot of great young players on the team now and coming up soon, if Babcock doesn't think he can win here, then bring someone in who knows he will.


If Babcock wants to start nit picking, I'd like to point out he was here 10 years, and for 7 of those years he had the best defenseman since Bobby Orr, and only won 1 Cup... Dats, Z, and Kronwall have a few more good years left, and with Tatar, Nyquist, Abby, Helm, DeKeyser, Smith, Mrazek, Mantha, Larkin, Jurco, Marchenko, Ouellet, Sheahan, Pulkkinen, Glendening, etc. all in their 20's, we're going to be good for a while.


Nit picking my ass! We don't have anyone remotely close to Datsyuk's level coming up, and that's absolutely a problem. Babcock was being entirely realistic and addressing a very real problem that this team is going to be facing in the coming years. We do have a lot of good young players coming up, but do we have anyone even close to Datsyuk's level? I think people really, really, really undervalue how important Datsyuk is to this team.


As I said before, we're going to learn a lot more about Holland in the coming years, because it's one thing to lose Lidstrom when you still have true superstars in Dats and Z to build your team around. But as of now, it's highly unlikely that we're going to have that luxury when Dats and Z retire, and with Z likely slowing down faster, it's going to be all the more pressing of an issue.


Nothing Babcock said was unrealistic and unwarranted. We have some serious issues to deal with, and I don't think Babcock wants to wait until Dats and Z retire to hunt for a solution. And yes, I think Babcock is staying.

#2604828 Things you would like to see for 2015-16 Season

Posted by gcom007 on 30 April 2015 - 12:09 AM

Re-sign Dan Cleary please.  




This obviously goes without saying.............