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#1914026 What If Everybody in Canada Flushed At Once?

Posted by RedWingAbner on 11 March 2010 - 06:14 PM

To answer the question........what are we talking here, 15...20 toilets, tops? So....nothing.

Just kidding, Canadians.


#1913732 Why is there so much love for Filppula on this board?

Posted by RedWingAbner on 11 March 2010 - 11:00 AM

I love how stupid you're to pick only Kesler and compare him with Filppula.

I have proven statistics of all players with about the same ppg - not just one underpaid guy - which proves that Filppula is nowhere near overpaid.


Hey, it's everyone's favorite hypocrite.

I told you, your stat analysis as to why he, based on this year's numbers, was paid fairly was good. Multiple times.

You ignored all other posts I put in this thread save for one you cherry pick.

The Kesler example was used in reference to another poster who asked for AN EXAMPLE. I provided one.

Filppula is not overpaid based on PPG. Being used as a #3 center was a redundant piece. Let's see how he does as the #2 center, then it may be well worth the $3M.


#1913302 Why is there so much love for Filppula on this board?

Posted by RedWingAbner on 10 March 2010 - 04:24 PM

It would be a very good lesson for a lot of posters on this forum to log onto capgeek.com and just scroll through teams salary charts just to get an idea about how much people are getting paid and how they are producing. Id like to know what players you guys would rather have than Filppula and Cleary at their cap hit, excluding young players on their rookie contract.


Ryan Kesler at $1.75 as an offer sheet match contract, please.


#1913070 Samuelsson highest scoring swede as of today

Posted by RedWingAbner on 10 March 2010 - 10:56 AM

Wasn't he on Filppula's line for stretches here? The same production dip happened to Bertuzzi when his minutes/center changed. Maybe Flip is a good set-up man, but maybe he just has more chemistry with other guys.

I don't think even the most ardent Sammy bashers would say he couldn't score. He just didn't do it enough (here) + looked worse when compared to players like Franzen, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Hossa......


#1913015 Why is there so much love for Filppula on this board?

Posted by RedWingAbner on 10 March 2010 - 09:34 AM

HE DOES IT AGAIN! Bravo. Maybe I'm bringing those old arguments up because you keep ignoring them, because you can't admit being wrong. You say Filppula is overpaid right now, but you don't have anything to prove that argument.

I prove that he's not overpaid by comparing him to other players' cap hit of similiar ppg. The point remains the same. If you look only at the points, then Franzen with 7 points earning 4mill is overpaid. If you look at the PPG - AS YOU SHOULD - you'll see that both of them are good deals.

You don't really have anything to back up your own arguments. Yet you keep ignoring what other people say. What a joke.


My point, again, is that Franzen put up 27, then 34 goals and is being paid $3.95 million.

Filppula, at his highest, has put up 40 POINTS. In a season. No projection involved there.

Your statistics argument was a good one. I said as much. There are quite a few players who earn a similar salary yet are 40 point players. Still, you also have guys like Franzen who are 30 goal scorers who make $3.95 M. In that context, if we could drop Flip and get a guy who CAN/HAS put up more than 19 goals in a season, I'd say do it.

You call me out for ignoring arguments and you do it yourself. In the hopes of civility, I asked that we get past this and simply stated my opinion. Your obsession with me is in some ways flattering, though.


#1912997 Why is there so much love for Filppula on this board?

Posted by RedWingAbner on 10 March 2010 - 09:14 AM

No it isn't. As I already proved to you STATISTICALLY, Filppula isn't overpaid when comparing him to other players in the NHL who have about the same ppg this season. Not to mention he's great defensively. And YES, we do have to look at ppg, not points. Otherwise Franzen would overpaid too. Because putting up X amount of points in earlier seasons doesn't really help if you put nothing this season. If you say that we should look points and not ppg, then Franzen is overpaid this season. If we look ppg - as we should - then Franzen and Filppula are both good deals. Period.

Oh, just remembered you were the guy who said something and whenever a counter-argument was presented you claimed it didn't matter anything. So this is probably just a waste of time trying to speak some sense to your head.


Rehashing the old argument. Fun.

You conviently ignore my post about Franzen's accomplishments in the recent past.

We could sign 20 goalies to agreeable contracts but it wouldn't do the team much good. Neither does Filppula even when using statistical analysis to say he is worth $3M. It's not what the team needs.

Continuing to ignore you.

Hehe, good point.



He attributes a quote to me I never said. And Franzen, in ten games, is nipping on Filppula's heels in terms of goals scored.


#1912975 Why is there so much love for Filppula on this board?

Posted by RedWingAbner on 10 March 2010 - 08:19 AM

I really think you'll understand why we did in about 5 years.


As one of the board's resident Filppula haters (I've accepted the brand), this is the kind of thing that drives me up a F***ing wall. So, after 9 NHL seasons, THEN we will understand why we are paying a 3rd line center the money we are and sacrificing the ability to get other guys to do it?

I could be, and would love to be, SOOOOOOOOOO wrong on Filppula. If I am, mark my words, I will start an "I was wrong on judging Filppula post" and will bring a sign to the Joe (or wherever the Wings are then) that says "Highlights, I apologize."

Unfortunately, the Filppula love on this board is measured at a completely different standard than any player I've ever seen. Ericsson has a horrid season? He's done. Filppula tops out at 40 points as a career high in 3 NHL seasons? Superstar. He gets knocked off the puck and makes silly defensive errors? Not noticed-- he's awesome defensively.

I'd love to be the agent for Justin Abdelkader or Darren Helm right now. "Well, if we are paying players on potential, Kenny, you owe my boy Darren a 5 year deal at $3.5 million. He may win the Selke someday."

/rant. We've had our discussions on him in the past, and I don't want to rehash those. I think that it will save myself, ZD+C, Datsyukiandeke, and FinnishWing the time instead of going back and forth. The above rant is just my opinion in response to your original post.


#1911635 Who is the Red Wings MVP this year?

Posted by RedWingAbner on 08 March 2010 - 07:58 PM

Okay...I know I'm crazy and all that and I apologize in advance....

But put Cleary on the list and not Filppula? Not that it would be either of them...but I'm just just saying...


Howard, obviously. Though he hasn't looked great these last few games.


Filppula has the potential to win it for the next ten years consecutively. Give someone else a chance this year, I say.


#1911612 Official Poll: Filppula at 3 Mil. or Hossa at 5.4 + return for Filppul

Posted by RedWingAbner on 08 March 2010 - 06:48 PM

Filppula has Selke potential and he will easily be better than Hossa in couple of years.



Someone said something about ridiculous lengths a while back. I can't find an example of that anywh....nevermind.

In all seriousness, Filppula will never be better than Hossa unless we are talking about Marcel.


#1911593 Official Poll: Filppula at 3 Mil. or Hossa at 5.4 + return for Filppul

Posted by RedWingAbner on 08 March 2010 - 05:46 PM

To be fair, I do not hate Filppula, I just think a lot of people on this site go to ridiculous lengths to defend him. I really don't think saying Hossa at 5.4, is a better contract than Val's 3 mil is hate, moreso just my opinion (though I can't fathom how people disagree). Notice that I never did say Filppula was overpaid, I really think he isn't, just that his contract money would be better spent elsewhere, especailly on a team that is in desperate need of a better goal scorer.


This is my view as well.


#1911592 Official Poll: Filppula at 3 Mil. or Hossa at 5.4 + return for Filppul

Posted by RedWingAbner on 08 March 2010 - 05:41 PM

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you've said stuff like enough this to make me believe you really think this team is BETTER without Filppula.

you hate him, it's okay, just admit it. wings7 hates him, redwingsabner hates him and lilja4mvp hates everyone. I don't care, but admit it to yourself, for yourself.



Actually, in real life, I'm Andrew Ladd. I am starting to warm to him. He's a great set-up man.