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#2479155 Am I missing something? (re: Tootoo)

Posted by RyanBarnes! on 31 January 2014 - 11:20 AM

It's a joke that Tootoo is not on this team. He adds more than Samuelsson and Cleary every time he plays.

#2467285 Tootoo called up

Posted by Red Crazy on 23 December 2013 - 01:57 PM

Babcock claims to play the guys that work hard but yet Cleary is done and still draws into the lineup. Every player outplayed him last game but yet Tootoo gets sent down. 

#2460255 Retaliation

Posted by F.Michael on 02 December 2013 - 10:17 PM

As a self proclaimed 'knuckle dragger' - I always liked the idea of beating your opponent on the scoreboard as well as beating them up.


It's why I'd much rather have a team that resembles what we had in the 90's than what we have today.

#2451546 Tootoo Waived

Posted by Dabura on 07 November 2013 - 10:18 AM

Mannnn whatever ... waive Cleary, Samuelsson and throw Bertuzzi in, as well. Bunch of "been there, done that" lazy, uninterested [or incapable] players who are taking roster spots away from our young guys. Kind of a joke regarding #71 & #44 ... but, kind of not too. :smh:


Cleary and Samuelsson, yes. Bertuzzi, no.

#2451544 Tootoo Waived

Posted by uk_redwing on 07 November 2013 - 09:55 AM

I realise waiving Samuelsson won't provide any cap relief...but does anyone really care so long as he's gone?


I'd rather take his cap hit and have an empty space and use an emergency recall when needed.

#2446815 10/21 GDT: Sharks 1 @ Red Wings 0 (SO)

Posted by Detroit # 1 Fan on 21 October 2013 - 07:48 PM

That shift is absolutely why I don't want Tootoo to be traded.

#2439090 Bertuzzi Needs To Retire

Posted by hillbillywingsfan on 26 September 2013 - 07:43 AM

Watch him carefully. We spend all our time chasing the puck in our zone when he is on the ice. This guy no longer helps the Wings as a player. He needs to hang them up.

So last night that had nothing to do with the fact that he was on a line with the great Cleary and young pup Sheahan? I would take Bert and what he brings over cleary,sammy,eavs,emmerton...any day. It's preseason.

#2436232 Cleary re-signs with Detroit, 1 year, $1.75m deal

Posted by Wings_Dynasty on 12 September 2013 - 01:46 PM

I'm going to vent my anger in this post and leave it at that. I can't control the team in any way and I have to get over that and just try to not swear in front of my children when a player I think shouldn't be on the team fouls up.


Dan Cleary shouldn't be a Red Wing right now. I don't care how much he loves the organization. I don't care if he got the fictional "hometown discount." This is a business and he got what he got because that is what he is worth in the real world. Teams overpay for UFAs all the time because they think that they will be a cure-all for their problem (Leino, Suter & Parise, etc). Philly almost proved that point the way I understand the situation. The fans on BOTH the Flyers and Wings side were crying/laughing about the deal. "OVERPAYMENT!" they shouted with anger/glee. This is an unbiased assessment of Cleary's worth. His UFA price was too high. So, he took a "discount" and stayed with the Wings. And we talk of loyalty.


KH knows he is over the player limit and signed a player. That is not a good environment for the other forwards. Don't get me wrong, there should be competition in camp and players shouldn't be under the impression that they have a guranteed spot on the 3rd or 4th lines. I shouldn't be able to tell you who will be on the 3rd and 4th lines right now and neither should Holland and Babcock. But for some reason, I can fill 2 of those 6 slots right now. Sammy and Cleary.


No 3rd or 4th liner should have an NTC. NTCs should be for top tier guys so they will be not be uprooted by their org. and moved to Winnepeg so their previous team can get some young talent and do a rebuild. The majority of the 3rd and 4th lines in this organization with this cap should be reserved for youth. Guys being brought up from GR to fill in for injuries and during other 3rd and 4th liner slumps. This is the biggest flaw with Sammy's contract. The price was decent and length is OK. He was OK in VAN. Good enough to put with the Sedins on occasion. The Wings needed a righty and knew what kind of player he is. Not a bad signing. Better than the Cleary signing IMO. We know Cleary is on the decline and still signed him. But now we need players (older players) to leave and make room for youth (Tatar, Nyquist) and they can't be moved.


At least two of these things WILL happen:


- Bert dropped

- Tootoo dropped to GR/traded

- Tatar traded

- Nyquist (Datsyuk 2.0) plays in GR until an injury

- Eaves traded (EDIT: Forgot him)


IMO, if I could, I would get rid of Sammy and Cleary. It won't happen. So we are left with the above scenarios. In all honesty, the thing I don't want to happen will most likely happen. Tootoo will be traded and Nyquist will play in GR. If Helm continues to have issues, we MIGHT not lose Tatar to a trade. But if Helm plays, Tatar is gone. IMO the Wings have 3 NHL-caliber players that have had playing time that they can get offers for on the block: Emmerton, Nyquist, and Tatar. Emmerton will be in GR, and I think Nyquist is too good to be traded after last season. That leaves Tatar to be offered up to make room for Cleary and Sammy, following Tootoo being dealt to NSH for picks. That's how it has to be now.


On top of it all, we get older, smaller, softer, and slower. And we get to play in the East.


Ok, I'm done. In Kenny I trust... I guess.

#2435788 Report: Cleary to sign with PHI, 3 yrs, $2.75m/yr, NTC

Posted by Crymson on 11 September 2013 - 01:04 AM

He was pretty useful during the unexpected playoff run. Significantly injured no less and still more productive than Franzen and Filppula.


I analyzed his production in the playoffs today. He had one legitimate goal (with a stick and against a goalie), the others being either empty netters (1) or deflections off his body (2); and he had one primary assist (a pass to Smith at the blue line), with the remainder being pedestrian passes to other players who ended up doing the actual set-up work. His numbers are very inflated.


In the meantime, he was making bad defensive plays and turning the puck over regularly. The latter became a commonality during the regular season; Cleary required extra time to bend over and pass it a puck, and even more than that to lift it into the air, and opposing players with no such restrictions in quickness (meaning nearly all of them) would generally catch up to him before he managed to get either of those things done. This was especially troublesome along the boards, because the opposition would simply hold him there and yank the puck away from him.

#2427986 Brunner Contract Talks

Posted by marcaractac on 06 July 2013 - 11:02 AM

Tatar, IMO is an upgrade. There really isn't room for Tatar AND Brunner. Not without losing size. 

#2426497 Wings sign Alfredsson to 1-year, $3.5m deal (+$2m bonuses)

Posted by Opie on 05 July 2013 - 10:52 AM

Stupid move 40, declining, and will deny a younger player a chance.

Who on this team or in this Org had better stats, played a better 2 way game, and can instantly be ready to play on the top line at the start of the season?


What youngster has shown they deserve the top line minutes over Alfie?


This is not a 40 year old who, like Modano, couldn't find a home and was a rebuilding project.


This guy would have been tied with Brunner for #4 scorer on this team.

#2426234 Grabovski Bought Out

Posted by TheDetroitRedWings on 05 July 2013 - 12:15 AM

IMHO Grabovski > Weiss

#2420623 Talking Tootoo

Posted by newfy on 18 June 2013 - 04:00 PM


That's a straw man argument.  First, there were long stretches of this year where Miller was terrible.  He played better in the Playoffs, but entering the season, people forget that it was Miller, not Abdelkader, that most people would've identified as the "banger" more likely to get run with Top 6 forwards.  Oh, and we just resigned Miller for about 2/3 of what Tootoo's cap hit is also.  Maybe that doesn't matter to some people, but it matters to me, and it matters to the front office.


You talk about the "softness of the team" as if it's directly correlated to how "hard" or "soft" Tootoo is.  An "agitator", as opposed to a "power forward", does not make your team "tougher".  He's basically there for no other reason than to try and disrupt the focus of the other team.  That can have a place in the game if that's an overall part of what your team does.  Matt Cooke does that sort of stuff.  Brad Marchand does too, but just happens to bring a great deal more skill to the table as well.  But the post-lockout Wings are not a team that uses gratuitous hits and fights to generate momentum.  They're a puck possession skill team that has a very specific gameplan.  Throwing a guy on the 4th line that runs people and starts crap is "interesting", but it's also horribly out of place on this team. 


People said the Wings teams of the mid-90's were soft, too, but it wasn't Stu Grimson and Joey Kocur who were responsible for turning that around.  It was a power forward like Shanahan playing 20 minutes a night and playing physical in the corners.  It was Darren McCarty playing significant minutes with Yzerman, or on the Grind Line.  And, this year, the emergence of Abdelkader allowed us to elevate to a Playoff style of play.  4th line bit players cannot change the underlying character of a team...that just doesn't happen.

Youre kidding right? An agitator who happened to be voted the second hardest hitter by the actual NHL players doesnt make the team tougher to play against? Having a willing and high end middle weight fighter in the line up in case hes needed doesnt make the team tougher? Youre full of it. Tootoo must get noticed by other teams players if the players vote him the second hardest hitter in the league, you dont think some dmen voted in that and having him bearing down on them leaves them a little more uncomfortable back there?


Cant wait for tougher players to start making it to the wings since theyve bee drafting this way lately. It will really clear out a lot of the band wagon fans who jumped on for the flashy european style of play. The wings arent good enough for that to work anymore, and it wasnt all that effective this year. Theres a shift coming so get used to it, its not like the wings were forced to sign Tootoo. Management decided it was in the best interests of the team for the direction theyre heading


I also dont think anyone would identift Miller as a banger or their definition is pretty far off from reality. Solid player, Tootoo, Abby and Helm are the only guys that should be called that though

#2420005 Talking Tootoo

Posted by Bring Back The Bruise Bros on 15 June 2013 - 12:16 AM

I don't understand how or why Tootoo should be bought out. He did exactly what was expected of him. Also, the "one-dimensional" argument baffles me. He put up 8 points in 42 games. For comparison, Emmerton put up 8 in 48. When I think of one-dimensional players, I think of John Scott and Jody Shelley. And the notion that "he takes stupid penalties" is laughable, considering guys like Smith and Abdelkader have, on several occasions, taken idiotic penalties at the worst possible times during games. Don't remember Tootoo blowing any games for us.

#2419999 Talking Tootoo

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 14 June 2013 - 10:19 PM

This isn't the '80s anymore.  With the salary cap and the way the game is played now, there just isn't room on a roster for one dimensional players.  As someone else mentioned earlier in the thread, Tootoo isn't exactly a figher or an enforcer, he's more of a pest.  But he needs to bring more to the table than that.  He needs to score more, be good defensively, a good penalty killer, dominate on faceoffs, just something else.  Taking penalties at inopportune times doesn't help any either. 


I don't remember him taking any more dumb penalties than Smith, Quincey or Abdelkader.  What are these penalties that Tootoo took this season?  I don't remember him costing us too many games.  


He's not one-dimensional either.  Look at his career numbers and then look at Tony Twist's or Stu Grimson's.  How is Tootoo one-dimensional?  He fights and he lays good bodychecks.  Scores as many points as most 4th liners in the league.  What is he not doing right?  


I feel like there's too many posters here who look at all 4th line fighters as being in the same basket.  Too much stereotyping.