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In Topic: Babcock Interview on 105.1 this morning

18 July 2014 - 04:55 PM

 

That's legit, but nobody is remembering how Quenneville nearly did the exact same thing to us with those Blues teams in the late 90's that were significantly less talented than our Cup teams.  And he was coaching against Bowman. 

 

One of the reasons that I think Quenneville is a great coach?  Of the 15 times he's made the playoffs he's won the Cup twice and lost to the eventual Cup winner 7 times including three times to the Bowman Wings (widely considered some of the greatest teams EVER to play hockey) of the late 90's and early 2000's.  The best teams Babs has lost to?  Quenneville's Hawks a year ago. 

 

Before he hooked up with the Hawks though, he made it out of the 2nd round of the playoffs once in 10 years as a head coach.  Losing to the eventual cup winner in a first round series doesn't really count for much to me. 

 

Babcock took out the 2003 Red Wings in 4 games with a Ducks roster that wasn't exactly stacked with stars and got them to game 7 of the Finals.

in 2007 he took the Wings to the Conference finals, losing to a great team and eventual Cup winner in the Ducks . 

In 2008 he won the Cup

In 2009 he went through the Ducks, still a very good team, and beat Quenneville's Blackhawks (the next year's Cup winner), then took the Pens (who people here don't like to admit but were a great team) to 7 games.

In 2013 he took the Blackhawks to game 7 OT with a lineup that had no business hanging with the Hawks.

 

I think Quenneville is a good coach, but I still put Babcock a notch above him.  


In Topic: Babcock Interview on 105.1 this morning

18 July 2014 - 02:37 PM

 

Babcock is ONE OF the best coaches.  I agree.  We just happen to disagree on him being THE BEST coach, which is what you said initially.  And it's not like he came on to a bad team either.  Any argument made in his favor is equally valid for Sutter or Quenneville who, nevertheless, have more Cups. 

 

It's obviously opinion at this point but there's no way I'd want Quenneville over Babcock.  Sutter maybe.  I think Sutter outcoached and exposed the Hawks this playoffs, and Babcock almost did it the previous year with a helluva lot less talent. 


Here's part of the reason I think Babs is a great coach. 

 

 

"The way I look at it here, if you don't want to be coached, don't come here," Bacock said via Detroit Sports 105.1. "If you want to be pushed to be the best that you can be, that's what we do here. You know what? The proof is in the pudding.

"If [the Wings] are concerned about [free agents not liking me], then I should coach somewhere else."

 

Am I warm and cuddly every day? I am with my family. I think I care a lot about my players. When you care about people, you make them do it right. When you don't, and there's lots of coaches that don't, then their teams don't do it right and they don't have success. We just have the hard meetings. We get it out front. Does it piss people off once in a while? Absolutely. But it also leads to behavioral changes and getting things better. So you know what, I'm not apologizing for that stuff at all.

 

 

 

In Topic: Babcock Interview on 105.1 this morning

18 July 2014 - 01:20 PM

 

Did we hire Darryl Sutter while I wasn't paying attention?  But I digress...

 

 

Because I think none of the GM, coach, management, or ownership would prefer to fire someone when they can just let them walk without all the to-do. 

 

I agree, there aren't many repercussions, but why would you (if given the choice) fire someone if you don't have to?

 

Babcock is easily one of if not the best coach in the NHL.  That's not exactly a bold statement.  Any article you read about Babcock from sources around the league refer to him as the best or one of the best. 

 

Darryl Sutter is also a very good coach.  He came on to a very good team at the right time and was a great fit.  


In Topic: Babcock Interview on 105.1 this morning

18 July 2014 - 10:24 AM

 

Obvious speculation about "damage control" aside, Mike Barwis isn't the Red Wings trainer.  He's an outside specialist and (based on my very brief internet search) seems to be pretty well respected and established. 

 

Honestly I'd rather it be an outside trainer.  I didn't listen to the interview so was going by what the article said (incorrectly, it sounds like), which referred to the team's trainer. 


I think Holland would be a fool to lock Babs up before seeing how this season plays out.  You've got arguably the best coach not currently in the NHL in your back pocket, and you've got a team that's consistently underperforming in the playoffs.  Give Babs the year.  If the team is healthy and performs well, or if they lose in the playoffs but look strong, then bring him back.  But if they miss the playoffs, get bounced early/get embarrassed, then let Babs walk on good terms (which he'd likely want anyway) and go with Blashill.  6 years of early playoff exits would be reason enough to make a change if that is indeed the case a year from now.   

 

I think that's better for Babcock, but I don't think it is for Holland.  

 

Given the team Holland has put together this season, if I were Babcock I'd prefer not be locked in to the Wings for another contract to keep open the possibility of coaching somewhere else. 

 

But if I'm Holland and want to keep the best coach in hockey on my team, I'd lock him up as soon as possible so it's not dependent on what could be a less than stellar year. 


In Topic: Babcock Interview on 105.1 this morning

17 July 2014 - 05:36 PM

The Wing's front office obviously realizes that fans are upset, because this is pretty clearly Babcock doing damage control for Holland. 

 

Here's an article also referencing the interview.  

 

"Last year, he didn't bring anything," Babcock said. "But the year before, he was a key, key component leadership-wise, forechecking-wise, heavy on the puck-wise, just being a heck of a player for us."

He added that the investment was made after receiving a vote of confidence from the team's trainer regarding the status of Cleary's troublesome knee. 

"We've been told that his knee’s really come on. If he’s on one leg like he was last year, he can’t play on our team. 

"If he’s on two legs, he can help us win."

 

 

http://www.thescore....nhl/news/538908

 

I guess we'll just wait and see what the future and Cleary's knee holds. I'm also not sure how much confidence I should give their trainer given the Wing's extensive injuries last season.