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In Topic: Candiens, P.K. Subban agree to 8 year contract

Yesterday, 12:09 AM


Gotcha. Though the cap hit still seems ludicrous regardless. Don't you agree?


Yes and no.  Yes it does right now but I feel like I've said that so many times with contracts before and then in a few seasons it's not really at all.  


Montreal did a particularly poor job in handling the last two Subban contracts.  His cap hit definitely could've been lower if they'd just signed him long term last time.  Instead they gambled on the bridge deal, during which time he won a Norris.  

In Topic: Candiens, P.K. Subban agree to 8 year contract

25 August 2014 - 11:44 PM

I dunno how he got the contract. Weber played on a worse team and scored more points in less games while, IMO, playing equal to if not better D. Shea makes 7.8 for a long time. Now a short time later PK makes 9 for a long time??? Anyone wanna make bets on when the next lockout will be? I thought Shea would be the bench mark for guys like PK


Suter at 7.5


Karlsson at 6.5


Chara at 6.9


Letang at 7.2


Pietrangelo at 6.5


This guy is no where near the bench mark. I don't like Kovalev, but he ain't wrong. I guess it makes up for the cheap deal he took last year.... MTL f***ed up


Different CBA's. 


Weber has a cap cheating 14 year contract.  Subban's contract has the 8 year limit.  


Plus the Canadiens kind of screwed themselves with the bridge deal for Subban.  If they had signed him long term last time, his numbers would be more in line with the people your'e comparing him too.  But because of those circumstances it's not really apples to apples. 


Somewhere (maybe earlier in this thread? I can't quite remember) I linked to a blog that did a nice breakdown of what Subban would get paid and why.  And they were pretty close on the final number.  

Some of this definitely has to do with the bridge deal.  For the last two years he was underpaid compared to his peers who signed long term contracts when their entry level contracts expired. 
A good take on it, written before the signing:



Here it is. 

In Topic: Datsyuk or Fedorov?

21 August 2014 - 09:17 PM


bc I was referencing your statement about numbers and not defense. It didn't change your argument at all.


It completely changed his argument.  By not bolding "I thought" you turned his post into a statement of fact that the HHOF is all about numbers, when it was really almost a question.  You also left out the scenario where he said Datsyuk could make the HHOF. 



Your selective bolding transformed his statement into


"No I don't think he puts up good enough numbers.  HOF is mostly about numbers."


Which is significantly different than


"No, I don't think he puts up good enough numbers but if they look at his defense then I'd say yes but I thought the HOF is mostly about numbers."


You missed the part of where I said I THINK it's about numbers. Meaning I don't know be you skipped the I think part to make it sound like I was making a statement or fact when it was a guess.



In Topic: Datsyuk or Fedorov?

21 August 2014 - 07:03 PM


Larionov, Neely, and Bure would like to say hello.


Datsyuk will most likely have more pts than Forsberg by the end of his career.


Yes but Datsyuk has already played over 100 more games than Forsberg.   You're not accounting for those players injury shortened careers.  The HHOF did. 


And Larionov got in as much for his days playing on the KLM line for the Soviet Union than for his accomplishments in the NHL.

In Topic: Datsyuk or Fedorov?

21 August 2014 - 06:55 PM

1) I can't say who fans will ultimately view as the better player, in part because of what exactly people include in "better player."  Some fans are still bitter about how Fedorov left.  In terms of who was the better player on the ice though, it's Fedorov. 


2) 2 Selke's, a Hart, Pearson, 483 goals, 696 assists and put up 20+ points in four consecutive playoffs.  He better make the HHOF. 


3) Not sure.  It seems like Datsyuk will be on the bubble.  He's such a magician with the puck that you'd want him to get in for that alone, but he doesn't have the kind of numbers or trophies that make it a lock.