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In Topic: Preliminary Red Wings Training Camp Roster

23 July 2015 - 09:50 AM

Out of respect for the few people who are actually trying to discuss the topic, enough with the Dekeyser signing and trolling.

In Topic: Stan Bowman (CHI) on CBA troubles

19 July 2015 - 04:25 PM

They chose not to play because they didn't agree to the owner's terms and then eventually chose to agree to the owners terms. It also doesn't make calling someone a midget any less offensive.


Not to mention, with the current CBA in place until 2021, the players would have to strike to try and "desertify" to get rid of the horrible cap that supposedly everyone is against.  


This addresses how much "less" the players are making now as a result.  




Incorrect.  They were locked out by ownership so they could not play.  Play semantics games if you like, but it doesn't change the fact that the players were locked out by ownership.  I don't understand why you're arguing this fact. 


Then there's your massive oversimplification of the lockout. There were many offers rejected by both sides.  But that doesn't exactly fit with your "the players chose not to play" scenario.  


And I wasn't saying anything about name calling. It has nothing to do with the point.  You're calling someone out for not having their facts correct but insist on misrepresenting what was clearly a lockout. 


That article doesn't actually address how much less the players are making.  It cherrypicks contracts of  players and uses percentages to make it seem as if overall they didn't take a massive paycut when the cap was implemented.  

In Topic: Stan Bowman (CHI) on CBA troubles

19 July 2015 - 01:18 PM

I didn't say they were on strike.  They sat out because the players said they'd never, ever, under no circumstances agree to the salary cap the owners insisted upon.  So an entire season was lost and the players blinked.  So the cap is now in place, the league is doing as well as it ever has, the players are making more than they ever have, so 10 years later, after coming back with their tail between their legs, the players are going to band together and rise up against the salary cap because a few Wings fans have chafed asses over it?  The players have very little power.  That's been proven time and again.


Thanks for posting, kilq.  I couldn't for the life of me figure out what "desertify" was.  



And as I said, they didn't sit out. They were locked out.


Also, players aren't making more than they ever have.  Lidstrom made $10.5 million in 2003.  Forsberg made $11 million in 2004. Star players salaries are just now approaching what they were pre-cap, especially adjusted for inflation. 

In Topic: Stan Bowman (CHI) on CBA troubles

19 July 2015 - 10:32 AM

If you're going to make offensive comments like calling someone a midget, at least get your facts straight.  Not sure where you have been, but David Stern retired. Heard of Adam Silver.  Bettman isn't going anywhere because he is very successful at what he does.


Hey, great idea, have the players sit out a year to get rid of the cap!  I'll bet that'll work.  In case you forgot, they did that already.   We lost an entire season of hockey, the players (headed by Red Wing Brendan Shanahan) caved in after losing an entire year of their career and a year's worth of salary, the owners are making more, fans are watching more and the players are making more.  I'm sure they're more than willing to give up a year of their careers to get rid of the cap.  


As a Wings fan, I'd kind of like to see the Wings beat the Hawks by being able to be successful under the same system.  What have they really sacrificed?  If 3 Cups in 5 years is sacrificing, bring it on.  They've made bold moves and its worked.  I hate the Hawks, but I'm envious of what they've been able to do.  I'd like to think that these moves are going to really hurt them, but I'm not all that sure that's the case.  Like it or not, they've done it the right way, gambled and won, and won, and won.  The Wings aren't in cap trouble, great, but they also haven't made it very far in the playoffs either.  Holland keeps making room but the big signings or bold trades never happen.  I think you have to give it to guys like Bowman and Belichick who just go for it and do what needs to be done and don't worry about what the fans or anyone else thinks.


If we're getting our facts straight, the players didn't sit out a year to get rid of the cap.  They were locked out by the owners so the league could implement a cap.  One is a strike by players, which didn't happen, the other is a lockout by ownership, which did.  

In Topic: Taylor Pyatt Announces Retirement

14 July 2015 - 06:18 PM

If *cough* Franzen retires *cough* then we get stuck with *cough* a very large cap recapture penalty. *cough* *cough*

So *cough* that's a terrible *cough* idea.*cough *


Mule shouldn't retire, but probably should LTIRetire.