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#2543294 10/21 GDT - Red Wings 1 at Canadiens 2 (OT)

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 21 October 2014 - 09:46 PM

I honestly don't think it matters if abby has a skate in the crease or not if price initiates contact.Price goes left to right stops without making any contact, then leans in to get the call.


He's the master at drawing goaltender interference.  He's had multiple goals waived off because he initiates contact with the player. 


Naturally I couldn't find it on TSN's website anymore (404 not found) but Kerry Fraser wrote a piece on Price's exploiting the rule. 




In the clip Price trips the Tampa player, then throws himself into the player again at the far post. 

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#2542446 Weiss

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 18 October 2014 - 11:51 PM

He played 8 minutes tonight, only 6 of which were even strength.  Talk about being deep in Babcock's doghouse. 


I have to say I didn't see the whole game but what I saw Weiss was either invisible, or noticeable because he was turning the puck over. 


I get that he could be rusty, but he looked generally out of sync with the team.  

#2542330 10/18 GDT - Maple Leafs 0 at Red Wings 1 (OT)

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 18 October 2014 - 08:40 PM

I know it's a split second decision but Abby, you gotta let Z have the puck there.

#2542081 10/17 GDT : Red Wings 4 at Maple Leafs 1

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 18 October 2014 - 09:40 AM

I've had to delete posts because somehow even after a win, the thread got derailed by calling out fans who complain.


Generally with a GDT for a game that's from the previous night we let the discussion meander into broader topics, but let's keep them actually hockey related please.

#2541721 Lucic has a meltdown as Bruins get smacked by Habs...again

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 17 October 2014 - 01:06 PM

While Bruins fans have been lamenting their defense getting older and not being quite as good, I've been saying their biggest problem is their inability to keep their heads on straight.  You can knock the B's off their game fairly easily.  Even though I've always had a soft spot for the Bruins, I like it.  It's fun to see Chara go bats*** crazy because he can't keep up.

If only a young center would be there now, to help them out ooops Chiarelli traded him away (in other words got schooled badly by Nill).
People where laughing, when I've said the leadership of Thornton and his presence will be missed looks like I was right. The Bruins are playing like a team that's searching for an identity and one that didn't age well. Yeah, they've had to lose Iginla because of the cap but not replacing him ? wow
Add to that the loss of Boychuk and that off-season has been horrible for the Bruins. I love watching this team when they are on but so far Boston has been far from being impressive or fun to watch.
they need to get back to the big bad Bruins mantra and not let one playoff-series against the Habs change everything..

Because the Bruins were so disciplined with Thornton on the team?

Not to mention he's the idiot who squirted a player with water from the bench during game play.

I agree about the general direction of the team overall. Trading Seguin seemed like a "win now" move for the B's but now it's looking like they're shifting back to rebuild mode a bit. Or just don't have a clear direction.

#2541546 Weiss

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 16 October 2014 - 03:34 PM

I am surprised he hasn't gotten a shot yet. Was he really that crappy at camp? It seems like it's in the best interest of the team long term to give him a chance to shake the rust off and earn his keep.

#2541529 10/15 GDT : Bruins 3 at Red Wings 2 (SO)

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 16 October 2014 - 02:56 PM

As for real discussion, it's pretty tough to discuss a questionable call from a game the night before if the folks (not you) around here act as though any criticism of Babcock is anathema.  I think he f***ed up last night.  I'm prepared to say why.  But if the only response is Harold's "he knows something from practice that you (and I) don't so you can't criticize him" then there's no discussion to be had.   

I never said you couldn't criticize Babcock.

The issue I had with your criticism is you asserted that Babcock made the decision simply because if he liked nestrasil. That's absurd.

As to your points about Nestrasil's inexperience or there being better guys to put out there, I think it's easier in hindsight but I can understand that point of view.

Agree with the decision or not, Babcock is not an idiot. I have no problem with criticizing him. It's just when people attribute his decisions to mostly emotional reasons they could only know if they were Mike Babcock.

It's probably best we drop it. I don't know if it's your dislike of Babcock or of me but for whatever reason when we discuss him you seem to get more and more pissed off. I think I'm beating a dead horse at this point.

#2540874 LGW Moderator Problems

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 15 October 2014 - 06:38 PM

I'd vote for the split thread idea. If some conversation evolves into something else and you really, really don't want it to continue in that thread, then why not just grab all the posts and stick them in a new thread (or an appropriate existing thread) with a link to said thread? 


I'd have to think back on the posts I've deleted to see if something like that would work. 


For editing, as I said it's for profanity or personal attacks or something that does not belong in any thread.  I never edit a post because part of it is off topic but otherwise within forum rules. 


 Looking through the recent deleted posts, they're all things that we wouldn't be split into a new thread, like insults, but in the right instance I guess it could work.  It's definitely something we've done in the past, it just doesn't seem that often that a thread splits into clear enough, substantial enough topics to split.  But it's something we could keep in mind. 


fellow mods?

#2540627 LGW Moderator Problems

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 14 October 2014 - 12:31 PM

My brother was perma banned 2 years ago because he told a mod he was "being a nazi", because he made a post about how refs were a holes and used it to vent his frustrations about something that happened in game that the mod didn't agree with.  He contacted matt about this and said it was personal and matt simply said "I trust my mods, sorry".


i can't speak to that specific incident but in my time as a mod here, it takes a whole lot more than that to get permabanned.  That may have been the straw that broke the camels back.  


Typically people are pissed after they've been warned or had a post deleted and will react in anger so I try to let it slide.  But then after that initial reaction subsides I can usually have a civil discussion with them about what happened.  Not always, unfortunately, but usually.


It also brings up another point to touch on from the perspective of a moderator. I can say that out of all the warnings and suspensions I've given, probably 90% of the people who PM me about their suspension say it's because I have some personal problem with them.  They've never been right.  Sure there's been a couple members I found somewhat irritating, but probably not nearly as many as you think given how long I've been doing this and the number of people here.  And when an incident did arise with those people, I defer to other moderators about any potential incident, because I don't want any personal irritation to influence my moderating.  


And to be clear, that irritation is never because someone has an unpopular opinion.  If your posts are thoughtful, civil, passionate about hockey, even if unpopular, I'm probably a fan of your work. 


The moderators all check in with one another about people who have become a problem and discuss the issues.  When someone is warned or suspended, it leaves a record and an explanation that all the other moderators can look at.  So no one is going rogue, banning members willy nilly.   We're certainly not perfect, but we do try to maintain a level of consistency and do a good job for Matt. 


Ultimately it's like officiating.  If everyone is a little irritated with us on any side of an issue, we probably handled it okay.  :D

#2540551 LGW Moderator Problems

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 13 October 2014 - 06:29 PM

I do have to run but I do understand the frustration.  I spend some time on hfboards and have actually gotten reprimanded by mods there a few times.  I get it.


More than anything I guess what I want to demystify is the idea that we're power hungry and throw it around just for the sake of doing it.  I've come across mods like that but I can honestly say none of the active mods really are that way here.  We're Wings fans who got sucked into LGW like the rest of you, and agreed to be moderators because we like the site and wanted to help Matt out.  


And we do check in with one another about what exactly we should let go and when we should step in. It's usually a grey area.  And there's multiple mods so we want to enforce consistently but it's tricky sometimes.  


We may not always be correct in our thinking for deleting posts, locking threads, etc.   but it's not done out of malice.  Even if it's misguided, it's generally an attempt to keep productive discussion going here.  So if you disagree with something, politely ask.  Like I said you may not like the answer, but at least you'll know what the thinking was.  And if you disagree with the policy then maybe it can become part of a larger discussion. 


Gotta run but I'll check back in to later to ramble on some more...   :P

#2540545 LGW Moderator Problems

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 13 October 2014 - 06:08 PM

I'm not going to continue egging this on, but I've now had several posts deleted and one thread locked and I know I was not being offensive to anyone, or rude, or anything like that (well, except the one, ok so one out of several).   So if those are the kinds of threads that will get blocked or banned or whatever, well, I can only speak for myself then and say it's shame.  Mods feel they have a job to do, I won't make it any harder for them.  I just won't continue to post.  Thanks for clarifying your positions.


I would just ask that if a post of yours is deleted or a thread is locked and you want to know why, please PM one of us.  You may not like the answer but it can at least provide you with an explanation.


And to be clear, I'm not kidding when I say PM Matt if you have a problem with the moderating or a suggestion.  He's a busy guy and may not get back to you right away so it's probably best to start with a moderator, but he obviously wants this site to be as successful and popular as it can be, and is open to suggestions. 

Look I've had countless posts just disappear on me. Seriously I've lost track, it's that many. And from what I've read other posters have had similar issues.


It isn't an isolated issue, it happens all the time.


And again from other posters as well as my own experience, other forums aren't like this at all. It just doesn't happen. Except here.


As I said above, I suggest PM'ing one of the mods.  I can't really provide an explanation because I don't know what you're referring to. 


I only spend time on a small handful of forums, but honestly the ones I go to are exactly like this or more strict.  

#2540372 more NHL wisdom: Chris Pronger may work for Dept of Player Safety

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 12 October 2014 - 08:04 PM

A guy that stomped on another players leg and double teamed Homer is now going to be in charge of player safety????? WTF! \


AND the tried to hurt Stevie Y! 


To clarify, he won't be in charge of Player Safety.  That's still Quintal.  He'll be part of the advisory panel. 


But it's still pretty sketchy. 

#2540330 more NHL wisdom: Chris Pronger may work for Dept of Player Safety

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 12 October 2014 - 04:46 PM

#1 Pronger wouldn't be able to suspend anyone...that is not his role...Quintal makes those decisions...all Pronger and other members of the department would be doing is reviewing incidents and offering opinions.


#2 Pronger would clearly have no input on anything to do with the Flyers.


The problem with #2 is that there could be many games that indirectly impact the Flyers, especially as the season wears on. 


Say there's a game late in the season and the Pens are playing Edmonton.  Malkin throws a cheapshot and it actually gets reviewed and he could be suspended.  The Flyers are in no way involved, but if it's a tight playoff race and the Penguins losing Malkin for a number of games could impact the Flyers playoff positioning.  


I don't know that Pronger would actually let that influence his decision, but he is being paid millions of dollars by the Flyers. They've taken good care of him since his injury.  Even if it's not conscious, there's probably deep loyalty there.

#2539825 TSN Radio - McKenzie: Enforcers in the NHL

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 11 October 2014 - 11:55 AM

Power forwards IMHO are a very rare commodity...Used to be a plethora of them throughout the 80's/90's.


Yes - I can live without the talentless goon, and would prefer to see guys who can take a reg shift, and drop the gloves when needed.


As far as concussions go - seems to me many are due to hits (be it clean, or dirty) more so than due to fights.


Yes but hitting is a much more integral part of the game, even though some hits will involve contact with the head that can cause concussion.  With the league looking to reduce concussions, eliminating guys punching each other in the head is a pretty clearcut way to reduce potential concussions without affecting actual game play that much. 


I'm not advocating for or against, but I think fighting in hockey will be going away in the next decade.  


Honestly I'm torn on the issue.  I've been watching hockey a long time and think fighting has a place in the game (though I hate staged fights and fights after obviously clean hits), but given the toll it takes on these enforcers after their careers are over, it's harder for me to accept as a good part of the game.  A guy living the rest of his life with screwed up hands or a bad knee is one thing.  But post concussion syndrome is a brain injury with much more serious symptoms. 

#2539753 more NHL wisdom: Chris Pronger may work for Dept of Player Safety

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 10 October 2014 - 08:07 PM

It's official by the way.  Pronger now works for the Department of Player Safety. 




I don't quite understand how the Flyers can consider him an active player on injured reserve (and get relief from his cap hit) while he is employed in the NHL offices.  Must be nice to be an owner in Bettman's inner circle.