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#2624058 Moving Jimmy Howard

Posted by kliq on Today, 02:36 AM

Unless someone offered us something we cant refuse, keep Howard. His value is low right now and we wont get alot for him. Best case for us is both play great this year and then in the offseason someone needs a goalie and we have some leverage. Plus, Mrazek without a safety net scares me a bit.




#2624064 Moving Jimmy Howard

Posted by Rivalred on Today, 07:43 AM

1st time we have a somewhat solid tandem right in a while right? Why would anyone break that up?


#2624082 Moving Jimmy Howard

Posted by Helmethead on Today, 11:05 AM

The goalie market might be flooded next summer. Allen is likely going to replace Elliot in St.Louis. Gibson will likely be succeeding Andersson in Anaheim. Those,goalies are already splitting starts. Trading Jimmy might be harder than we think.


#2623705 Franzen back on ice

Posted by Playmaker on 22 August 2015 - 07:15 AM

I always feel bipolar when it comes to Franzen.  One minute I want to defend him, and the next, I want to punch that stupid ass grin off his face because he's so damn frustrating to watch.   You see the stats and think damn, he's still good. Look at the points.  But then you watch the games and you see him get knocked down and then he looks around waiting for the call and then ever so slowly gets to one knee and then stops and then finally gets up and moseys on over to the bench while the play is going on in the other end.  Then you see him score 7 goals in 10 games or whatever and you think hot damn, the old Franzen is back!  Then he's hardly noticeable for the next 20 games and the Wings are losing games and not scoring worth a damn and there he is on tv like wuh??   Who me????  I'm not a goal scorer.  I'm a defensive specialist!  STFU. Did you tell Ken Holland you were just a defensive specialist when you signed the long term deal?  Then it's, well, his cap hit is a bargain for the points he scores, right?

 

On the health front, knowing what the medical community knows now about concussions and you have a guy who's already said he's had life altering symptoms trying to come back with a wife and kids, and you think what a selfish moron for putting himself at risk like that. Thank you for 2008, go back to Sweden and have a nice life. Then the next minute you think wow, he must really be dedicated to try and come back from this.  But will a guy at his advanced age and history of multiple concussions really contribute much?  Do we want him taking up a roster spot?  But what if can come back and chip in 20 goals?  Or would it just be better having that cap space if he goes on LTIR really be better for all involved?

 

I guess it all comes down to expectations and potential.  They guy has all the physical gifts.  Year after year, you hear the Wings need a big tough winger who can score.  That could and should be Franzen, but it isn't.  You wonder if its his health.  Then he and the team say no.  Next thing you know,  Franzen is out for multiple games with some "mystery" ailment.  

 

I'm decidedly undecided on the guy.




#2622140 Free agents this off season

Posted by rick zombo on 03 August 2015 - 09:59 AM

I'm guessing they'll both get a shot at the starting job.  

 

This is in no way a criticism of Mrazek.  Just that the team would be foolish to hand over the reigns completely to a guy with something like 41 NHL starts and who hasn't started more than 50 games since the OHL.  

 

They may start Mrazek right out of the gate, but he will have to play very well to hang onto the spot with Howard on the bench behind him.  My guess is they play them as a tandem and keep them fighting for the #1 spot.  

 

Exactly. And seriously, why wouldn't they? I have no horse in this race, so I don't care who the #1 guy is as long as he plays like a #1 goalie. Best case, both goalies are lights out but one is more lights out. How awesome would that be? Worst case, both goalies are bad with one being slightly less bad.

 

I don't want to start a goalie flame war here, but it seems that the members insisting that Mrazek has "already stolen Howard's job" are simply pro Mrazek, anti Howard, and are hoping one succeeds while the other fails. Almost like they'd rather have one great goalie on this team than have two.  Which is completely crazy.




#2622139 Free agents this off season

Posted by Echolalia on 03 August 2015 - 09:58 AM

 
Started 330 NHL games with a .916 save percentage.  Plus he played extremely well the first half of the season before his injury.  A much larger sample than 7 games. 
 
 
I'm guessing they'll both get a shot at the starting job.  
 
This is in no way a criticism of Mrazek.  Just that the team would be foolish to hand over the reigns completely to a guy with something like 41 NHL starts and who hasn't started more than 50 games since the OHL.  
 
They may start Mrazek right out of the gate, but he will have to play very well to hang onto the spot with Howard on the bench behind him.  My guess is they play them as a tandem and keep them fighting for the #1 spot.  

A lot of folks were quick to ignore Mrazek's inconsistency from game to game last year as well. One game he would post a shutout, then follow it up with getting pulled. Those kind of growing pains are expected in a rookie goalie which is fine, but it's not a characteristic you want to see in a number 1. The only problem was Jimmy wasn't any better in that second half of the season.
Anyway I agree with your assessment that the job is up from grabs right now, and I could easily see either goalie walking away with it. Both are quite talented and capable goalies when they're in the zone (see: Howard's first half of the season, Mrazek in the playoffs). I can also see Blashill giving them each 41.


#2622119 Free agents this off season

Posted by amato on 03 August 2015 - 05:33 AM

1a/1b until management determines Howard is expendable. He'll be traded before his contracts up but it won't be until next off-season at the very earliest.. even that seems like a stretch.


#2621909 Voracek gets rich! over 8mil per

Posted by kipwinger on 31 July 2015 - 11:44 AM

 

So you think the contract is bad or no? More examples: Tarasenko at 7.5 or Stepan at 6.5. 

 

Voracek was 5th in the entire league in scoring this last season. And he's big and he's young. I'm saying he pretty much got market value.

 

I think he probably got paid a little too much.  But not terribly so.  I guess my overall point is that for negotiation purposes, contracts for guys like Kane, Toews, and ROR matter.  But in determining a players actual value they don't say much.  All three of those guys got paid the way they did because of externalities.  I guess what I'm saying is, there's a tendency to think "Well if O'Reilly got 7.5 then Voracek is worth 8.5".  Which is how contract negotiations work, I understand, but it's flawed because O'Reilly isn't actually worth 7.5.  He's just worth that to a desperate team. 




#2621880 Free agents this off season

Posted by jimmyemeryhunter on 30 July 2015 - 05:08 PM

I think Franson looked at a Boychuck like contract but he isn't as good.

If I'm Holland I'd offer 5x5 or 4,2x6 Franson adds size and physicality.

I've been watching quite a bit of franson tape lately because I expected us to sign him, and from what I've seen Franson is way too slow..,
He's somewhat physical in that he hits a lot, but he puts himself out of position with his hits and doesn't have the foot speed to recover...

If we ended up getting rid of Quincey and kindl(not going to happen) I dont even think ehroff would be worth the risk for the bottom pair, he's shown he can put up points, but he can't stay healthy, and he isn't the pmd he once was. Imagine how awful it would have looked had he accepted our contract offer last year.

He'd be a huge question mark for the next few years.


#2621902 Voynov pleads "No Contest" to Domestic Violence Charge

Posted by vladdy16 on 31 July 2015 - 07:42 AM

Thanks, that would be much appreciated.  There are 3 mods to the hundreds of members.  We aren't online all the time, especially at the time these threads are being created, which is usually during work hours or at 3am.   I'd rather get 12 reports about the same thread than no reports.  




#2621904 Voracek gets rich! over 8mil per

Posted by kipwinger on 31 July 2015 - 09:11 AM

I agree with your overall point, but I wouldn't look too much into your examples.  Toews and Kane are worth whatever they want, for the most part.  You can surround them with anybody else and they win you Cups.  The return on investment with those two is insane. 

 

With O'Reilly it's just a matter of a bad team trying to put itself on the map.  Any competitive team wouldn't have paid him that.  But Buffalo desperately needs some legitimacy, to get it you need good players, and to get them (if you're a small market and you suck) you have to overpay.  Guys like O'Reilly ain't going to Buffalo for the girls and the nightlife.




#2621381 Wings lose scout to leafs

Posted by FlashyG on 23 July 2015 - 11:07 PM

I'm not sure what losing a scout has to do with Babcock. His involvement with scouts would be minimal at best.

 

Shanahan would be the one who poached him, but I think it has more to do with him getting a promotion he was never going to get in Detroit. The Wings have Hakan as their director of European Scouting and I'm sure Shanahan was well aware that Vuori has spent the past few years learning from him. Who better to choose to become your own director of European Scouting?




#2620978 Pronger (contract) and Grossman to for Sam Gagner and conditional pick

Posted by toby91_ca on 20 July 2015 - 08:26 AM

Due to the bump, I read some of the earlier comments in this thread, specifically with the issues around Pronger being eligible for the HHOF even though he isn't "technically" retired.

 

To be clear, retirement is not part of the eligibility criteria.  The actual requirement is as follows:  "Must not have played a game in a professional or international hockey game during any of the three (3) playing seasons prior to his or her election."




#2620735 Lovable Dan Cleary update thread

Posted by roboturner on 16 July 2015 - 07:58 PM

http://www.generalfa...com/players/753

 

Yeah, so his last contract was 1 year for $2,500,000.

But last year he only had a cap hit of $1,500,000.

 

So his $1,000,000 bonus for playing in 10 games last season did not count against lasts year's cap.

 

Which means we already have $1,000,000 of cap hit against this years cap due to Cleary's bonus last year.

 

They did the same thing with Alfie a couple of season ago.




#2620457 Ryan O’Reilly Charged With Impaired Driving

Posted by wings87 on 14 July 2015 - 07:20 AM

All joking aside. Drinking and driving is a serious and dangerous activity. Let's hope that the punishment and public embarrassment is enough to deter him from doing it in the future.