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#2532716 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by kipwinger on 21 July 2014 - 02:44 PM

I really don't get the people shaking their heads at COL in terms of dealing with O'Reilly.  Yes, he's coming off a career year, but that career year is nothing compared to the consistent years that the players earning the money he wants put up.


At first, I didn't understand at all how he could even have been making $6.5M, but then I remembered the offer sheet...that's how he got there to begin with.  So I decided to do a bit of checking.  I had a look at all the other players in the league with cap hits at or greater than $6.5M (he's now looking for $6.75M by the way, but my guess is that is to aim a bit high and let it come down a bit).  This is what I found:


26 forwards in the league at that level:


16 - have scored 40 or more goals or 100 or more points

4 - have scored 90 or more points

3 - have scored 80 or more points


That leaves the following 4 that haven't scored 40 goals or more than 80pts:


Toews - he has scored 34 goals and 76 pts, but I don't think we need to use stats to say that you can't compare to Toews


Bergeron - he's scored more than 30 goals 2 times and scored more than 60 points 5 times, 70+ points 2 times, selke winner - no comparison


Stastny - getting a bit more comparable, but he has scored 78 points in the NHL and another season with 70+ points as well + he signed his deal as a UFA...big difference


Koivu - this is the one I can't quite understand (i.e. why he's paid so much) - his stats are still better than O'Reilly's career year and he's consistently scored 20+ goals and has scored more than 70 points, but he still looks overpaid.


So, to me, O'Reilly and his 28 goal and 64 point career year don't seem to explain to me why he should be paid $6.5M.


To me it's more a matter of Colorado mishandling the situation so badly that they were put in this position in the first place.  This is exactly what happens if you try and lowball good young talent.  As a 21 year old he was putting up 50+ pts. and was one of the better defensive forwards in the league and his team wanted to hold his feet over the fire.  There had to be a better way to satisfy him AND retain his services without completely alienating the kid.  Sadly, Colorado management didn't seem up to the task. 

#2532112 Rule Changes in the AHL (what the NHL has considered)

Posted by Hockeymom1960 on 15 July 2014 - 05:56 AM

I hate shootouts because hockey is a team sport--you win or lose as a team.

#2531990 Rule Changes in the AHL (what the NHL has considered)

Posted by BadgerBob on 14 July 2014 - 08:55 AM

I don't understand why people hate the shoutout. I love it. And it's not during the playoffs like World Cup is for example.

It's only regular season games and it's cool and exciting to see. Even if the wings suck lol.


It's winning based on a skill competition basically. You don't see games being determined by home run derbys, dunk contests or some sort of qb competition. Shootouts used to be exciting to me, but now since they are so often it kind of lost its luster.

#2531935 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by Echolalia on 13 July 2014 - 11:50 AM

Let him play his 10 games to receive his bonus, and if he doesn't impress and show he belongs in the top 12 in those 10 games, then scratch him for the rest of the season. Holland stays loyal to his word, Cleary gets the money he left on the table, and a fair chance to prove himself. If it doesn't work out, one of the youngsters plays for the remaining 72 games.
It still pisses me off, but I can deal with the above scenario.

#2531821 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by kipwinger on 12 July 2014 - 11:51 AM

He already said he wants market value on this contract. So like I said, no problem with trading Tatar for green.


Market value?  How dare he!

#2530326 Trial date set in Steve Moore’s lawsuit against Todd Bertuzzi

Posted by number9 on 07 July 2014 - 12:35 AM

They will settle. The asking price is all part of negotiations. Nothing significant will happen. Moore will get a fair amount of money and then this will go away.

#2531777 Rule Changes in the AHL (what the NHL has considered)

Posted by drumnj on 12 July 2014 - 09:17 AM

Yesterday the American Hockey League annoced a few new rule changes.  I know the overtime and fighting (Yzerman suggested it last year) ones have been considered by the NHL as well.  This may be a test run in the AHL and could be something we'll see in the NHL for the future.


Rule 85 (“Overtime”)

  • During the regular season, the sudden-death overtime period will be seven minutes (7:00) in length, preceded by a “dry scrape” of the entire ice surface.
  • Teams will change ends at the start of overtime.
  • Full playing strength will be 4-on-4 until the first whistle following three minutes of play (4:00 remaining), at which time full strength will be reduced to 3-on-3 for the duration of the overtime period.
  • If the game is still tied following overtime, a winner will be determined by a three-player shootout.

Rule 20.4 (“Major Penalties”)

  • An automatic game misconduct will be applied to any player who has been assessed two major penalties for fighting or three major penalties for any infraction in the same game.

Rule 9.6 (“Helmets”)

  • A player on the ice whose helmet comes off during play will be assessed a minor penalty unless he immediately (a) exits the playing surface or (b) puts the helmet back on with the chin strap properly fastened.



#2531718 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by number9 on 11 July 2014 - 11:08 PM

Lidstrom was a competitor, hell all pro athletes are. You don't get to that level without being one. Knowing when to walk away is one thing he definitely didn't learn from Nick. I don't blame him completely, but he can't be so blind to think he can still hack it on this team.

Idk about u, but if I had made the big leagues I woulda milked every second out of playing for the wings. Especially if the GM was giving 2.5 million too. Sure beats retiring

#2531696 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by FlashyG on 11 July 2014 - 09:21 PM

Don't worry Kenny's got a firm grip on the wheel.



#2531665 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by ShanahanMan on 11 July 2014 - 06:07 PM


So it's true. He listens to the expert opinions of the staff he pays for this sort of thing. What an idiot.


I bet those same experts told him to resign Samuelsson, Williams, Bertuzzi and Quincey.


Seems to me like he needs to find new experts. 

I was just going to post that. What exactly does he expect his fellow teammates to say about him? Of course they are gonna say they enjoy having him around. Of course they are going to say they 'want' him back because if he does end up back in the locker room it would create unneeded friction.


It's up to Holland to read between the lines here and make the best decision for the team.

Exactly. The GM is supposed to be the freaking voice of reason for god's sakes, that's why he's the GM. Not just leave all decisions up to the players.

#2531424 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by wings87 on 10 July 2014 - 10:50 PM

This is actually very sad because instead of being hated vehemently, Cleary should be celebrated for the hard-nosed player he used to be. But with this latest move Holland has turned him into a persona non grata.

#2531321 Who has been Ken Holland's worst recent free agent signing?

Posted by gcom007 on 10 July 2014 - 07:24 PM

I liked Modano, it's a shame it didn't work out/freak injury. You take a chance on a future hall of famer. Tootoo was an interesting idea, but the rest were garbage from the beginning.


The whole Modano situation could've played out completely differently if not for a freak injury. It's silly that people knock it given what happened. That one ought to be disqualified if you ask me.

all of them minus Colaiacovo


What kills me is that once the guy was healthy, he wasn't so bad for us. I was actually surprised we bought him out given our lack of depth on defense and that once healthy, he played relatively well, considering he was cheap and coming off of injury. At the very least, it didn't seem like he was the first salary problem that needed addressing, that's for damn sure. 

#2531255 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by marcaractac on 10 July 2014 - 05:39 PM

I don't like the signing, but for the sake of the team, I hope Cleary proves us all wrong. 

#2531094 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by uk_redwing on 10 July 2014 - 03:45 PM

As a moderator here, I'm just glad the Wings didn't announce the re-signing of Quincey and Cleary on the same day.  


Remember when we all used to joke about them both re-signing like we thought it wasn't possible it could happen?


I feel like it's our fault. We made this happen. We joked too much...

#2531081 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by marcaractac on 10 July 2014 - 03:39 PM

Cleary signs with Red Wings. $1.5 plus $1M I'm games bonuses.one year