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#2621909 Voracek gets rich! over 8mil per

Posted by kipwinger on Yesterday, 11:44 AM


So you think the contract is bad or no? More examples: Tarasenko at 7.5 or Stepan at 6.5. 


Voracek was 5th in the entire league in scoring this last season. And he's big and he's young. I'm saying he pretty much got market value.


I think he probably got paid a little too much.  But not terribly so.  I guess my overall point is that for negotiation purposes, contracts for guys like Kane, Toews, and ROR matter.  But in determining a players actual value they don't say much.  All three of those guys got paid the way they did because of externalities.  I guess what I'm saying is, there's a tendency to think "Well if O'Reilly got 7.5 then Voracek is worth 8.5".  Which is how contract negotiations work, I understand, but it's flawed because O'Reilly isn't actually worth 7.5.  He's just worth that to a desperate team. 

#2621880 Free agents this off season

Posted by jimmyemeryhunter on 30 July 2015 - 05:08 PM

I think Franson looked at a Boychuck like contract but he isn't as good.

If I'm Holland I'd offer 5x5 or 4,2x6 Franson adds size and physicality.

I've been watching quite a bit of franson tape lately because I expected us to sign him, and from what I've seen Franson is way too slow..,
He's somewhat physical in that he hits a lot, but he puts himself out of position with his hits and doesn't have the foot speed to recover...

If we ended up getting rid of Quincey and kindl(not going to happen) I dont even think ehroff would be worth the risk for the bottom pair, he's shown he can put up points, but he can't stay healthy, and he isn't the pmd he once was. Imagine how awful it would have looked had he accepted our contract offer last year.

He'd be a huge question mark for the next few years.

#2621902 Voynov pleads "No Contest" to Domestic Violence Charge

Posted by vladdy16 on Yesterday, 07:42 AM

Thanks, that would be much appreciated.  There are 3 mods to the hundreds of members.  We aren't online all the time, especially at the time these threads are being created, which is usually during work hours or at 3am.   I'd rather get 12 reports about the same thread than no reports.  

#2621904 Voracek gets rich! over 8mil per

Posted by kipwinger on Yesterday, 09:11 AM

I agree with your overall point, but I wouldn't look too much into your examples.  Toews and Kane are worth whatever they want, for the most part.  You can surround them with anybody else and they win you Cups.  The return on investment with those two is insane. 


With O'Reilly it's just a matter of a bad team trying to put itself on the map.  Any competitive team wouldn't have paid him that.  But Buffalo desperately needs some legitimacy, to get it you need good players, and to get them (if you're a small market and you suck) you have to overpay.  Guys like O'Reilly ain't going to Buffalo for the girls and the nightlife.

#2621381 Wings lose scout to leafs

Posted by FlashyG on 23 July 2015 - 11:07 PM

I'm not sure what losing a scout has to do with Babcock. His involvement with scouts would be minimal at best.


Shanahan would be the one who poached him, but I think it has more to do with him getting a promotion he was never going to get in Detroit. The Wings have Hakan as their director of European Scouting and I'm sure Shanahan was well aware that Vuori has spent the past few years learning from him. Who better to choose to become your own director of European Scouting?

#2620978 Pronger (contract) and Grossman to for Sam Gagner and conditional pick

Posted by toby91_ca on 20 July 2015 - 08:26 AM

Due to the bump, I read some of the earlier comments in this thread, specifically with the issues around Pronger being eligible for the HHOF even though he isn't "technically" retired.


To be clear, retirement is not part of the eligibility criteria.  The actual requirement is as follows:  "Must not have played a game in a professional or international hockey game during any of the three (3) playing seasons prior to his or her election."

#2620735 Lovable Dan Cleary update thread

Posted by roboturner on 16 July 2015 - 07:58 PM



Yeah, so his last contract was 1 year for $2,500,000.

But last year he only had a cap hit of $1,500,000.


So his $1,000,000 bonus for playing in 10 games last season did not count against lasts year's cap.


Which means we already have $1,000,000 of cap hit against this years cap due to Cleary's bonus last year.


They did the same thing with Alfie a couple of season ago.

#2620457 Ryan O’Reilly Charged With Impaired Driving

Posted by wings87 on 14 July 2015 - 07:20 AM

All joking aside. Drinking and driving is a serious and dangerous activity. Let's hope that the punishment and public embarrassment is enough to deter him from doing it in the future.

#2620321 Sharp & Johns to DAL for Daley and Garbut

Posted by Bring Back The Bruise Bros on 12 July 2015 - 11:04 PM

Could someone who's more familiar with Dallas than I am tell me what their plan is for defense?

There's a lot of hype around Klingberg. He is supposed to come into his own next season. They've got a pretty young, inexperienced blueline at the moment. I think they'd benefit greatly from a guy like Oduya, though I'm not sure if they have the cap space. 


They've got Stanley Cup-caliber offense. I'm sure Nill recogizes that something else needs to be done for the defense before the season starts. 

#2620268 Red Wings sign D Mike Green (3-years, $18-million)

Posted by Helmethead on 12 July 2015 - 11:11 AM

#4. The great Uwe Krupp. Mush!

#2620054 Gustav Nyquist signed 4-Year Deal $4.75 mill AAV

Posted by jimmyemeryhunter on 10 July 2015 - 10:53 PM

How is 4.25 for the next five years a "horrible, Unmovable contract" because he's 31.
We all know Ericsson didn't play like a top pair defenseman last year, but the year before that he was playing very well, so much So that people were talking about how important Ericsson is to the team when he went down with an injury a couple years back...
He is a good top four dman, and yes serviceable on the top pair, not very good, But serviceable. And he clears the front of the net better than any of our other d, he plays 20+ minutes a night, and for those of you who complain there's not enough fighting, he is our best fighter and the one who's fastest to stick up for teammates.

He makes some bad plays, he could make one bad play in ten games and be completely solid the rest of the time and there would still be people complaining about that one bad play, extrapolating it into worse and worse things...
I get that there has to be a scapegoat so everyone can vent their frustration, and since Quincey was one of our better d last year, and kindl barely played, so it all reverts to Ericsson.

Who didn't even get to fully prepare for the season because his hand/finger injury to the point he could barely grip a hockey stick. Its maddening how fickle some of us fans can be.

#2619778 Watch the Final Development Camp Scrimmage

Posted by Dabura on 09 July 2015 - 09:58 AM

Mantha I am not impressed with; he looks like a good secondary support but seems to give up on that play very easily a few time sor is it only me?


Mantha is an opportunistic sniper who's trying to re-wire his hockey CPU to make himself a more complete, dialed-in hockey player. It's a process; he's a bit of a project. I don't consider him a question mark, though. He's so ungodly gifted and genuinely committed to improvement that I know it's only a matter of time before he "puts it all together."

#2619589 Wings sign Brad Richards 1 yr, $3 million

Posted by hillbillywingsfan on 08 July 2015 - 10:51 AM

Their chemistry was noted to be the best in the league at some point, some consider it better than Sedin twins chemistry. Even at this age, some of the plays they make is absolutely ridiculous. They're all over the opposing team and their finesse is ridiculous combined. Their no look passes are godlike at times. 



nothing beats this one


#2619613 Which Sweater Do RWs Retire First - Feds or Ozzy?

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 08 July 2015 - 12:52 PM

Next year there aren't many flashy names. I'd say Ozzie and Lindros both go in and the hockey world EXPLODES.


Lindros will get in.  It's a matter of time.  Osgood, I'm not sure about.  I'd be shocked if he makes it next year.  


These players are not alike either.  One was a driver.  The other, a passenger.  


Come to think of it, though, if Housley is in the HOF, why can't Osgood be?  Osgood also accumulated stats and was never one of the best players at his position.  And unlike Housley, he's had some big team successes.  

#2619615 Wings‬ sign left wing Eric Tangradi

Posted by TheXym on 08 July 2015 - 01:02 PM

Depth signing for GR, as others have said. I saw him a couple of times in Scranton/Wilkes-Barre when he was with the baby Pens and he didn't really stand out.