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#2534342 Ice Bucket ALS Challenge: Bettman edition

Posted by 55fan on 15 August 2014 - 07:22 PM

 

Dan Cleary accepted the challenge.  I like that he put up the info for donating online.  I haven't seen anyone do that yet.




#2534315 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by Jesusberg on 15 August 2014 - 01:05 PM

Things I will give Ken Holland full credit for:

 

-Restocking the prospect shelves. Let's face it, the drafting was pretty hit and miss during the early to mid 2000's. Kenny doesn't get full credit here, but he was part of turning around the prospect pool.

 

-Being smart with prospect progression. I know a lot of people hate the whole overripe thing, but Nyquist and Tatar are examples of players who have greatly benefited from gaining experience in the minors.

 

-Signing younger players to solid deals. I think his "bridge deals" are a real positive. Guys like Zetterberg, Filppula and Kronwall all got them, now it's guys like Tatar and most likely Nyquist next year. He seems to be good with the younger player's deals.

 

-Rebuilding on the fly. Most teams need to tank, sell off their assets and completely alter their team. Detroit's managed to keep their superstars, and nearly all of their promising young players while staying competitive. Whatever your definition of competitive is, Detroit hasn't been a basement dweller - that's a plus in my eyes.

 

Things I don't think are Ken Holland's fault:

 

-Missing out on big name free agents. The salary cap has changed the playing field in the NHL, but I also think that the attitudes of players have changed. It's almost as if they want teams to chase them. The whole Suter thing was mind-boggling to me. You're a GM and you get on a plane to go talk to a player? Guys wanting to play in their hometowns, with their best friends, etc. is out of Ken's hands, I think. Does he need to change his approach, perhaps? It's a situation now where players want three things: comfort, comradery and cap hit. The one thing Kenny can control is giving out money, so luring players here is going to be a matter of over payment, I think.

 

Things I want to slap Ken Holland for:

 

-Misguided loyalty to veteran players. The list of players could go on and on, but we know the deal here.

 

-Bringing back familiar talent. I think you can also accuse Kenny of playing it "too safe" here. Bringing back talent to take the places of prospects he feels aren't ready yet. It's kind of a double-edged sword, but at times I think Kenny holds guys back too much. It was great for Gus and Tatar to stay down, but then the team also had that mess at the beginning of the year with Bert, Sammy and Cleary taking up spots.

 

-Poor judgement with trades and contracts. The Quincey and Legwand trades still bother me. Giving out 3 million dollar, NTC contracts to 35+ year-old vets, and a 4.25 million dollar contract to a pylon.

 

All things considered, I don't think there's another guy for the job right now, but that doesn't mean I think Kenny is totally effective in his post. He's done a lot of great things for this team, and recently some not-so-great things. If he could just alter his approach to trading, I think he would be totally set.

 

This team is entering a situation where the star players will be done in a few seasons, and there's quite a bit of talent waiting in the wings to take their place. The question is, which guys are going to become legitimate superstars, and what is Kenny going to do with the excess talent? I think Nyquist, Mantha, Jurco and Tatar all have potential to be star forwards on this team, DeKeyser, Ouellet and Sproul strike me as the future of the blueline, but who knows what will happen when they're not insulated anymore. Kenny's going to have some big decisions to make with the talent on this team, and they're going to determine if this entire "rebuild on the fly" process was really effective or not.




#2534317 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by WingsAlways on 15 August 2014 - 01:23 PM

Best signing yet. Hollands offseason acquisition is himself. His deadline acquisition will be Babs.

 

I wonder if he gave himself a NTC...




#2534287 Hockey 101: Zone exits for wingers

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 14 August 2014 - 08:07 PM

This team has lacked wingers for the past few years, period.  I hope Tatar and Nyquist can continue to grow.  




#2533681 Candiens, P.K. Subban agree to 8 year contract

Posted by RyanBarnes! on 04 August 2014 - 11:30 AM

How has he acted like he is above the team?  What over the top celebrations?  I've seen him be incredibly excited for a goal but I've never seen him do a dance over a flaming stick or anything.  It sounds like their relationship is actually fine now but Therrien is as much to blame with his handling of Subban and any friction there. 

Therrien is certainly not an uncontroversial coach either, if you care to learn more about it I recommend "Tales of a first round nothing" by Terry Ryan. A very interesting read.


#2533596 Candiens, P.K. Subban agree to 8 year contract

Posted by RyanBarnes! on 03 August 2014 - 03:25 AM

I would also count Subban as an elite defenseman, he may not be as complete as Weber but he is also not as one dimensional as Mike Green. He is definitely a game changer as seen in the series vs the Bruins. I think Subban is much more of a team guy than he is given credit for. He is no Yakupov by any stretch.


#2533595 Candiens, P.K. Subban agree to 8 year contract

Posted by Dabura on 03 August 2014 - 03:07 AM

P.K. Subban's one of the very best best defensemen - if not hockey players, period - in the world, not to mention a quality guy. I'd say 9 X 8 is about right.




#2533604 Candiens, P.K. Subban agree to 8 year contract

Posted by Dabura on 03 August 2014 - 10:17 AM

Subban shoulda gotten 8, he's not better than Doughty/Weber although he benefits from having a Norris to his name

 

The comparisons to the Kane/Toews deal are sort of valid, but at the same time, let's keep in mind that Kane and Toews are two of the most popular, recognizable players in the NHL.Chicago has the biggest bandwagon fanbase in the NHL and if you lose Captain Serious and Kaner, you lose a whole bunch of revenue. 

 

Montreal likes Subban but they'll always have a fan base and it wouldn't be the end of the world if they lost him.

 

It'd absolutely be the end of the world for the Canadiens if they were to lose Subban. I mean, I get what you're saying about Chicago, and you have a point, but the Habs' fanbase was having a nuclear meltdown during arbitration because they thought they might be losing Subban. All their hopes and dreams rest on him and Price, really. (Even Bob McKenzie and Elliotte Friedman were fanning the flames of fear.) And, again, he's just a very likable person, a great ambassador for the team and for the NHL and hockey in general and even Canada, and one of the best hockey players in the world. He's certainly right up there with Toews and Kane in terms of his importance to his team (and to the NHL in terms of marketing). Chicago doesn't have the crazy hockey culture the Habs have, true, but a generational franchise player is a generational franchise player. The Habs lost one of those in Roy. For that to happen all over again with Subban? Riots in the streets of Montreal.

 

As for the contract itself and the comparisons to Doughty and Weber, each of those deals was reached a few years ago, so you can't really compare them. This deal may be a wee bit high right now, but it's an eight year deal. The cap will be rising, which means inflation, which means the deeper we get into the contract, the better the value. And, of course, the only reason the term is eight years is the new CBA. Were this pre-new CBA, the term would be longer and the yearly hit would be spread out more, so it wouldn't be $9M every year.




#2533271 Predictions for the DRW 2014-15 Season!

Posted by kipwinger on 29 July 2014 - 09:34 AM

 

Cleary > Cleary, Bertuzzi, and Samuelsson.

 

It's not ideal, but this year's team should have less deadweight than last year's. So we actually have less of a problem really.

 

First of all, you're overplaying your hand a bit.  Tatar was a regular in the lineup after 9 games...so it's not like those three guys were all getting huge playing time for the first half of the season...they weren't.  After the first ten games any two of the three were scratched on a given night.

 

Secondly, that doesn't really address my point anyway.  Cleary, Bertuzzi, and Samuelsson weren't the reason we got butchered by Boston in the playoffs.  They weren't the reason we blew a 3-1 series lead against Chicago the year before that.  They weren't the reason we couldn't beat San Jose for two years.  And they definitely weren't the reason we got embarrassed by Nashville in 5 games. 

 

But here's the kicker...neither were injuries.  In only one of those series (Boston) did injuries play a significant role.  There are fundamental issues with this team that haven't been addressed in a LONG time.  Acting like those issues have been resolved because we let a couple of frequently scratched third and fourth liners walk is the equivalent to burying your head in the sand. 


 

Yeah, Cleary's probably going to bring the same thing he brought last year, which, according to Babcock, was "nothing".

 

My point was that Cleary sucking is still better than Cleary, Samuelsson, and Bert (to a lesser degree) sucking.

 

Again, at no point after the first ten games last season did Cleary, Sammy, and Bert regularly play for our team at the same time.  On any given night, maybe one of them played.  But rarely two, and definitely not all three. 




#2533274 Predictions for the DRW 2014-15 Season!

Posted by rick zombo on 29 July 2014 - 09:39 AM

 

First of all, you're overplaying your hand a bit.  Tatar was a regular in the lineup after 9 games...so it's not like those three guys were all getting huge playing time for the first half of the season...they weren't.  After the first ten games any two of the three were scratched on a given night.

 

Secondly, that doesn't really address my point anyway.  Cleary, Bertuzzi, and Samuelsson weren't the reason we got butchered by Boston in the playoffs.  They weren't the reason we blew a 3-1 series lead against Chicago the year before that.  They weren't the reason we couldn't beat San Jose for two years.  And they definitely weren't the reason we got embarrassed by Nashville in 5 games. 

 

But here's the kicker...neither were injuries.  In only one of those series (Boston) did injuries play a significant role.  There are fundamental issues with this team that haven't been addressed in a LONG time.  Acting like those issues have been resolved because we let a couple of frequently scratched third and fourth liners walk is the equivalent to burying your head in the sand. 

 

I wasn't arguing your point Kip.

 

I was only saying that this year's team should have less plugs than last year.

 

But yes, if this team continues to play on the outside, have crappy D, suck on special teams, and have average goaltending then they're screwed.

 

But, an improved Smith and DeKeyser combined with hopefully more Ouellett/Marchenko and less Kindl/Lashoff, and the D should improve.

 

The small forwards should get stronger.

 

Jimmy has nowhere to go but up, after last year.

 

etc.




#2533195 Wings stuff on clearance at Dick's

Posted by Matt on 28 July 2014 - 03:57 PM

****'s is not a curse word filter on here is it?

 

Holy crap, it is.  Feels like I'm in the 6th grade.  

 

 

Lol, no doubt.  The last couple years, this has become one of the most overly PC and heavily censored websites I have experienced in my 15+ years of internet. 

 

Especially absurd when you consider this is a hockey website.

 

Whatever...

 

 

Relax, fellas. You're not in a police state.

 

A few years ago there was a rampant problem with overly gratuitous cursing on the forums (particularly in the GDTs, where scores of entire posts would be made up of nothing but f-bombs and such). The community was warned that if such behavior continued that a curse filter would be enabled. This curse filter is just a huge word blacklist that was loaded into the database -- it wasn't something that myself or one of the moderators simply added one by one, manually.

 

That said, the behavior continued, it grew tiresome to continually delete/edit posts that were going over the line -- and the curse filter was enabled. I hate the fact we have to have a curse filter here. It annoys me to no end. But if the community can't handle that maturely then it's here to stay.

 

"Dick" was an unfortunate victim of blacklist collateral damage. You should be happy to see your dicks have henceforth been freed.

 

Enjoy.




#2532716 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by kipwinger on 21 July 2014 - 02:44 PM

I really don't get the people shaking their heads at COL in terms of dealing with O'Reilly.  Yes, he's coming off a career year, but that career year is nothing compared to the consistent years that the players earning the money he wants put up.

 

At first, I didn't understand at all how he could even have been making $6.5M, but then I remembered the offer sheet...that's how he got there to begin with.  So I decided to do a bit of checking.  I had a look at all the other players in the league with cap hits at or greater than $6.5M (he's now looking for $6.75M by the way, but my guess is that is to aim a bit high and let it come down a bit).  This is what I found:

 

26 forwards in the league at that level:

 

16 - have scored 40 or more goals or 100 or more points

4 - have scored 90 or more points

3 - have scored 80 or more points

 

That leaves the following 4 that haven't scored 40 goals or more than 80pts:

 

Toews - he has scored 34 goals and 76 pts, but I don't think we need to use stats to say that you can't compare to Toews

 

Bergeron - he's scored more than 30 goals 2 times and scored more than 60 points 5 times, 70+ points 2 times, selke winner - no comparison

 

Stastny - getting a bit more comparable, but he has scored 78 points in the NHL and another season with 70+ points as well + he signed his deal as a UFA...big difference

 

Koivu - this is the one I can't quite understand (i.e. why he's paid so much) - his stats are still better than O'Reilly's career year and he's consistently scored 20+ goals and has scored more than 70 points, but he still looks overpaid.

 

So, to me, O'Reilly and his 28 goal and 64 point career year don't seem to explain to me why he should be paid $6.5M.

 

To me it's more a matter of Colorado mishandling the situation so badly that they were put in this position in the first place.  This is exactly what happens if you try and lowball good young talent.  As a 21 year old he was putting up 50+ pts. and was one of the better defensive forwards in the league and his team wanted to hold his feet over the fire.  There had to be a better way to satisfy him AND retain his services without completely alienating the kid.  Sadly, Colorado management didn't seem up to the task. 




#2532112 Rule Changes in the AHL (what the NHL has considered)

Posted by Hockeymom1960 on 15 July 2014 - 05:56 AM

I hate shootouts because hockey is a team sport--you win or lose as a team.




#2531990 Rule Changes in the AHL (what the NHL has considered)

Posted by BadgerBob on 14 July 2014 - 08:55 AM

I don't understand why people hate the shoutout. I love it. And it's not during the playoffs like World Cup is for example.

It's only regular season games and it's cool and exciting to see. Even if the wings suck lol.

 

It's winning based on a skill competition basically. You don't see games being determined by home run derbys, dunk contests or some sort of qb competition. Shootouts used to be exciting to me, but now since they are so often it kind of lost its luster.




#2531935 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by Echolalia on 13 July 2014 - 11:50 AM

Let him play his 10 games to receive his bonus, and if he doesn't impress and show he belongs in the top 12 in those 10 games, then scratch him for the rest of the season. Holland stays loyal to his word, Cleary gets the money he left on the table, and a fair chance to prove himself. If it doesn't work out, one of the youngsters plays for the remaining 72 games.
It still pisses me off, but I can deal with the above scenario.