Seems like everyone is acting like the Wings got skunked 8-0. Yes the final was not flattering but it was padded with two EN goals. For 50 of the 60 minutes the Wings were the better team by quite a bit. The one reason they lost is because Miller played out of his mind last night. When one of the hottest goalies in the league has that performance you just have to tip your cap and move on. They played ok and far better than the Boston game.
I will agree that though that Franzen is lazy and he sucks.
I've kept in touch with Matt on and off for years (for a short time he wrote about the Red Wings' prospects on this site before the turn of the century and branching out to Rivals.com and eventually RWC). We worked a bit on CapGeek together and this is truly sad news.
Please keep him in your thoughts and prayers. I know the decision made tonight was an extremely difficult one for him....
Why the hell would the Wings want David Perron? You guys are acting like we've lost out on some huge need here. Perron is a good player, but he's not some big, goal scoring, power forward. He's an smallish, offensive, skilled player. We've got so many of those that Stephen Weiss is currently playing on the fourth line. We have ZERO need for David Perron, so lets not cry over spilled milk.
He's a right-shot winger in the prime of his career who scored 30 goals for the Oilers. (He got lucky. He'll never score 30 again. But still.) He plays with an edge, likes to agitate, goes to the dirty areas, is a pain in the ass to play against - but he's also skilled enough to be considered a goal-scorer. I'd like him as a gritty complementary winger with good scoring upside. His cap hit's good, he's only signed for one more year past this year, so it wouldn't be a major investment. It'd be a late first-rounder for a guy who could add a dimension to our forward corps that we're somewhat lacking. At the very least, he'd give us some more scoring depth. Basically, I'd take Perron over a kid who's seven years away from playing big, meaningful minutes for the Wings (i.e. the kid we would, and will, take with our first-round pick).
I know - "We should use that first-round pick on a defenseman, not David frickin' Perron." I just have zero faith that that's going to happen. We're not getting Myers, we're not getting Yandle, and we won't move a first for a rental (Green). We're going to sit on the pick, because "there's no hockey store." That makes me a sad panda.
The one thing I "like" about not getting Perron is his hips are a major issue. He might be one big hit away from being borderline useless.
...But we all know he's going to be huge for the Pens, because of course he will.
Well... now that we're all clear in the knowledge that wingsfan1991 thinks that Weiss is hot garbage... the rest of us can go back to discussing why exactly it is that Weiss is not getting appropriate ice time...
I just don't get it. Weiss was brought in to be a 2C. He's back in game shape, fought off minor injuries since returning from a couple major ones... and now, with limited ice time, he's putting up points... but he's not elevated in the lineup What gives?
Jurco's a rookie... put him on the fourth. He shouldn't mind.
Helm and Abby are energy/banger guys, rotate them onto the fourth. They'll still be effective players.
Instead... No... let's let a guy who's a proven top-six winger languish on the fourth line with limited ice time. Makes sense to me...
I criticize Babs quite a bit for his lines and TOI management, but Abby has been just fine this season. 9 goals, 18 points in 30 games is excellent production.
I think the larger concern is guys like Glendening, Miller, Helm and Franzen receiving better linemates and more chances than Weiss, Tatar and Jurco. Last night was the perfect example. The Wings get down a couple of goals, Helm goes into the top-six and then we barely saw Weiss or Jurco. Franzen has one goal in 15 games and is -13 this season. Weiss and Jurco have made just about any line they have played on better, yet they somehow always find themselves in the non-skilled fourth line role.
I agree that Weiss and Jurco deserve a better spot in the lineup, but Tats is on the 2nd line and on the 2nd PP so I don't know what more opportunity you mean there. Glendening and Miller are not receiving better linemates than them. They are the non-skilled fourth line that you talk about.
Franzen's been delegated to the 3rd line where he hasn't been in a long time. You don't want him any lower because Franzen would be pretty useless on the 4th line checking role, in my opinion.
Helm's been fine in my opinion. Always has jump while some have disappeared. Doesn't have hands around the net, but drives the play and creates opportunities.
If you look at most analysis of why we've done well this year, most credit a significant amount to our ability to limit shots/chance and our PK. That's Glendening and Miller - they've been really good at what they do - That's why they've played. Especially in a game like last night where we were under seige - you've got to put the ramparts up which means get our defensive guys out there. It's not like our offence was buzzing and begging for more ice time. But we do need a line shakeup to get some offence going.
Can't win games when you don't play for an entire period. The Wings better end that bad habit real quick with a ton of road games and tough opponents coming up the next two months. They played well in spurts, but need more intensity for 60 minutes on a consistent basis.
The defense is just sorry, though. That's a problem that can't be fixed with effort or starting on time. Ouellet needs to be up permanently and Holland has to get creative and make a move for a top four d-man after failing to for years. The Wings aren't getting to the next level with this crop of d-men.
Maybe I'm in the minority but I really love that tournament especially this year since it will the only chance of watching McDavid versus Eichel in a game. I don't really care much about the pre-games but a few tendencies are clear:
~ Canadas top two lines are an offensive juggernaut as expected
~ The US has a very deep and balanced team - to me they should be the #1 challenger for Canada
~ Sweden isn't as good as they used to the team will heavily miss Brodin, Forsberg their goaltending has been supbar so far
~ Finland and team Russia are once again the dark horses and if Saros can repeat his stellar gd performance the Fins could be a very tough to beat team again
So let the McEichel show begin here we go (what a stupid TSN slogan liked every house is inhouse much better...)
They really had to win this one. This would have been an absolutely devastating loss. Hopefully Kronwall and Weiss are not badly injured and are good to go Saturday. I know some of you aren't too fond of me but have a great Christmas guys!