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#2190257 RFA/UFA Signings

Posted by Crymson on 27 June 2011 - 01:20 AM

Doughty is one of the few players that I would extend an offer sheet to

Well, no team in the NHL is going to get the opportunity to do so.

#2190314 RFA/UFA Signings

Posted by SwedeLundin77 on 27 June 2011 - 11:27 AM

Why? I don't get it.

Yeah, I'm with you on this. While I highly doubt Holland will send an offer sheet to Doughty, ANY team has the right to do so, under the current CBA. Unless LA enacts the arbitration process for Doughty, he's not immune to offer sheets.

I think Crymson just likes to think that he can ultimately predict anything sometimes. Not trying to start anything Crymson, just the impression I get.

#2190329 RFA/UFA Signings

Posted by SwedeLundin77 on 27 June 2011 - 12:04 PM

I still don't get it.

They're trying to say that if anyone offers Doughty an offer sheet, he'll decline it, and then LA will enact arbitration for him... I don't think it's that cut and dry, but that's the gist of it.

Again they are assuming that will happen, but everything is just speculation.

#2190218 Babcock "pissed off" about Burns-to-SJ

Posted by Hockeytown_Ryan on 26 June 2011 - 10:47 PM

Burns is the scape goat.... its the idea he got traded and the Front Office let it go with out a fight or a offer....then trade the 1st pick away for 2 second rounders because they are confident the players they are looking at will be there when they want them.(does that mean we never look at players above the rank of 30?) honestly its frustrating.... to see all these teams around us getting better and wondering why Holland is prepared to wait. Why is my question. does he think that there is another Datsyuk or Zett sitting in the later rounds that only HE knows about..... sometimes playing it cool and patient doesnt make you a better team...or a better GM. It makes you play golf in May.

He wants his players to be aggressive and play to their ability, Why can't we expect the same from our GM? He has players of value...and cap space. and still has done very little when you look at what has been done around the league.

funny really... Thats all that anyone saw.....most of that was about picks and being an agressive GM and that is all anyone saw.

Yeah, people get furious that we didn't obtain Burns by simply offering them something like Hudler, Emmerton and a 1st. lol.

Burns (in my opinion) was just the final shoe to drop that got Babs angry.. seeing Carter to CLB for rights to a RFA and a 1st and 3rd being a trade we could of made as well.

My focus was on making the team better.....via trade...as it has been said we would do. I realize the season has not started yet....and Its a long season once it starts...
And I guess San Jose doesnt covet their young talent like the Wings do. I am with Babs I am upset we didnt get him... dont ask me who to trade....I never once dropped names like some of you did. your asking me when your all telling me " I am a idiot..." and A furious fan because we didnt get a good player for nothing... Whatever folks...

I also realize that FA starts on Friday. and we have money.... should get a lot of guys. But the question is...... Will we? I reserve the rights to have doubts... But Ill wait till after the holiday weekend.

#2190015 10 Greatest Wings Draft Picks in History?

Posted by Konnan511 on 26 June 2011 - 01:38 PM

Man, you should bunch together the entire 1989 Detroit draft picks as number 1 :D. Lidstrom, Fedorov, Sillinger, Drake, Konstantinov. Not a bad year at all...

LGW in 1989:

GMR: "Bunch of soft Euros. Thank God we drafted Bob Boughner this year and Marc Potvin a couple years ago. Guys are going to be studs. Those Euros will never be anything when they have someone like Boughner punching them in their face every game."

#2190086 10 Greatest Wings Draft Picks in History?

Posted by LeftWinger on 26 June 2011 - 04:20 PM

Man, you should bunch together the entire 1989 Detroit draft picks as number 1 :D. Lidstrom, Fedorov, Sillinger, Drake, Konstantinov. Not a bad year at all...

In terms of absolute steals and the fact that all other teams are saying DOH! right about now, even though Fedorov and Dastyuk were taken late, Nick Lidstrom going in the third round in 1989 has to be the biggest steal of the modern draft era. Considering that he is quite possibly the best defenseman EVER in the modern world, and if anyone else had scouts over there as early as the Wings had, he would've no doubt gone top 10...

#2190094 RFA/UFA Signings

Posted by MacK_Attack on 26 June 2011 - 04:47 PM

well there is a catch... As long as our offer is below 7.8 million then we would give up only 2 1st round picks and a 2nd and a 3rd. Yes that is a still a steep price but I highly doubt we draft a Doughty character with the 3rd and 2nd and if we stay competitive our 1st round picks will be 25 and later. This isn't like the leafs giving up a the picks and getting the 2nd overall pick. I say we offer him around 7 and either jack the price up on LA or we get him and he is our Lidstrom replacement 1 year ahead of time. Lidstrom, Doughty, Kronwall, Stuart as our top 4. That would be AMAZING!!!

It would have to be an absolutely insane offer for L.A. to let him go. It's a pipe dream to expect him to leave for another team via offer sheet.

#2189876 Babcock "pissed off" about Burns-to-SJ

Posted by YzerPucks19 on 25 June 2011 - 10:33 PM

If they don't sign Franzen to a long term deal they couldn't have dealt him for Burns and a draft pick. Franzen has been horrible since the big signing.
Don't know when he will show up.

Wings need D bad.

Holland could have had 5 picks in the 2nd round don't mean s***. All 5 picks could turn out to be s*** for the Franchise long term.

It's is time for this team to get younger this season.

Holland has to make some deals. Missed Brewer and Burns.

Wish they kept Yzerman instead. At least he is trying to get Tampa better.

#2188204 MacDonald Moving on; Salei iffy

Posted by Dimaline312000 on 23 June 2011 - 08:17 AM

That's great news to me. I'm glad Salei is going as far as MacDonald I think we could find a decent free agent goalie if we don't keep Ozzie either. I'd rater go after a UFA Goalie than bring back Ozzie with all the troubles he's had latley.

That's great news to me. I'm glad Salei is going as far as MacDonald I think we could find a decent free agent goalie if we don't keep Ozzie either. I'd rater go after a UFA Goalie than bring back Ozzie with all the troubles he's had latley.

#2188234 Nick Lidstrom wins Norris trophy #7

Posted by eva unit zero on 23 June 2011 - 10:19 AM

I would love so badly for him to win no. 8 next year, but I expect there will be a lot of voters who will be hesitant to grant him the Norris that will tie him for 1st all time with Orr. In an event, I do believe he is the greatest defensman of all time, ahead of even Orr.

From the 1997-98 season to today, the Norris has been awarded 13 times. I can only think of one time I can say for certain Lidstrom did not deserve it. That would be last season, when I feel he was still top-three. Only one, perhaps two other times do I feel that Lidstrom could be argued as not the best, being the 1998-99 and 1999-2000 seasons when Al MacInnis and Chris Pronger won, and Pronger also took home the Hart.

So ultimately, IMHO, Lidstrom should have somewhere between 10-12 Norris wins. He has been outright cheated out of three victories (2009 Chara, 2004 Niedermayer, and 1998 Blake) and had that not occurred, he would likely be generally considered the greatest and most dominant defenseman of all-time. Even before 98, when he was the outright best, he was challenging for Norrises for six years. Lidstrom came into the league as one of the top 15-20 defensemen, as did Konstantinov. That event immediately changed the Wings from a mediocre team to a top team, in the same fashion as Yzerman's entrance allowed the Wings to emerge from the dungeon or Fedorov's entrance gave the Wings a second star player. The early 90s; with the emergence of Lidstrom, Konstantinov, Kozlov, and Osgood; as well as the acquisitions of Mike Vernon, Kris Draper, Brendan Shanahan, Igor Larionov, Slava Fetisov, and Larry Murphy; these are the things that are what defined the Wings' run in the 90s and allowed them to continue being successful. Through having a strong front office with Bowman, Holland, and Devellano, as well as strong scouting, they were able to select skilled players with low picks such as Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and others, as well as to make the "smart" move instead of the "big" move - and knowing when to make those moves. Players like Hasek, Schneider, Hull, Robitaille, Chelios, Whitney, Rafalski, Hossa, Conklin, Cleary, Eaves and more were strong acquisitions made via free agency or trade that helped and in some cases are still helping the Wings beyond their role.

The effect of Lidstrom leaving is unknown. He's a great defenseman, so that will hurt, but we'll get a skilled guy to help there. We have a leader in the locker room who can take on the mantle when Nick bows out. Is Z ready for full time? I think so. But I want to see Nick keep on as long as he's willing to play.

#2186065 Question: Why do Wings fans hate the Canucks?

Posted by Travis on 16 June 2011 - 08:38 AM

Up until the Finals I expected the Canucks to roll and was pretty all right with it. After the complaining, the guarantees, and Luongo going after Thomas - I was thrilled to see them lose Game 7.

#2159407 Question: Why do Wings fans hate the Canucks?

Posted by KeslerFan on 27 April 2011 - 04:41 PM

Honest question, what did the Canucks ever do to the Wings to make them so hated here on these forums?

Pretty much everyone I've talked to in Vancouver has a ton of respect for the Red Wings and their organization (great, classy players; fantastic management). Even our own GM said they want to model Vancouver's franchise based on the way the Red Wings are run.

We don't really have any playoff rivalry, nor can I think of any incident a Canuck has done to a Red Wing to garner such hatred.. am I missing something? I'm personally a big fan of the Wings and always root for them when the Canucks are out of the playoffs; but reading the forums here makes me want to dislike the Wings because you hate us so much. (probably a very illogical feeling but likely a natural reaction)

#2186308 Epic Boooing of Bettman

Posted by crotty99 on 16 June 2011 - 08:31 PM

I hate it. I realize the majority think he's done a bad job but I think this "tradition" hurts the cup presentation. It might be unpopular opinion but it just seems a little immature to me.

#2186283 Wings unlikely to sign Osgood/Draper

Posted by Mors on 16 June 2011 - 05:51 PM

Draper and Osgood have both been integral to the team's past success, and they've been excellent teammates in the process. That said, it's time for both of them to retire. As Holland said, the torch needs to be passed or this team isn't making forward progress.

#2186152 SCF: Boston Bruins vs. Vancouver Canucks

Posted by dragonballgtz on 16 June 2011 - 11:47 AM

You sir, are an idiot.

Oh.... your words hurt me so much :rolleyes: