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#2214604 10/13 GDT: Canucks 0 at Red Wings 2

Posted by WorkingOvertime on 13 October 2011 - 07:27 PM

I imagine Abdelkader became offended when Lappy welcomed him to the diving club after watching that dive a week or two ago.

I imagine reposts from hf boards.


#2214601 10/13 GDT: Canucks 0 at Red Wings 2

Posted by Chairman Maouth on 13 October 2011 - 07:25 PM

abby just hammering away on that tool lappierre

I imagine Abdelkader became offended when Lappy welcomed him to the diving club after watching that dive a week or two ago.


#2214521 CBJ's Rough Start

Posted by Heroes of Hockeytown on 13 October 2011 - 12:21 PM

Upgrading from having one good player to three good players still means you don't have very many good players.


#2214421 Report: Pre-season Fighting Lowest in More Than a Decade

Posted by martyrme19 on 12 October 2011 - 10:20 PM

I do not disagree with the aforementioned argument that it intangibly affects the game. Obviously, it does do that. Yes, it is a part of the game and I feel that this is well incorporated in my previous post. There are also many other parts of the game that one could easily argue are bigger parts... skating, passing, shooting, hitting, defence, goaltending... or others more along the lines of fighting - roughing, cross-checking, or even face washes, etc.

My issue, which I feel was stated clearly, was with your statement that fighting "is the game." That was a false and ridiculously eggagerated statement. I find it humorous how hypocritical it is of you to accuse me of not listening.... and to say that I am dead wrong.

You love fighting in hockey and think that it is a quintessential part of the game. I enjoy fighting in certain circumstances and feel that it adds to the game in those circumstances, but there are also times when I feel that it takes away from the game. I think that is a correct assessment of our disagreement.... but fighting isn't hockey. That's just a ridiculous thing to say. You are overstating its importance by a long shot, in my opinion.





When I say something IS the game - I mean it. Its part of hockey and its heritage. You'll retort to something like how in peewees they dont have fighting and that's still hockey. But you would be wrong - because 1, nobody watches peewee hockey except parents, and 2, there is a natural progression of education in terms of physical contact. Otherwise, mites would be allowed to check right off the bat.

For you to devalue the fighting aspect that the sport has carried since its inauguration is equivalent to you saying - well they dont NEED to play on ice!
I mean, as you said, you take out shooting - and it isnt hockey.
take out passing - and it isnt hockey.
take out defence - and it isnt hockey.
take out goaltending - and it isnt hockey.
take out the sheet of ice - and it isnt hockey.

So any one of those aspects is correctly argued that it IS the game, because without it, the sport is something different. So take the ice out too buddy, since you don't seem to bother changing whatever the hell you damn well please.

Or better yet, since you obviously dont care for the fighting, youll obviously get over it if there is no ice - do us all a favor, go watch roller hockey and leave my sport the f*** alone.


#2212065 Crosby's 2012 Season now in Question

Posted by Konnan511 on 04 October 2011 - 12:55 AM

He makes a good villian. I hate him, won't lie about that. I think its false to say he's not a great hockey player. Doesn't mean I have to like him. He has blatantly dived in the past and will instigate without being willing to drop gloves. He simply isn't the type of hockey player I can cheer for. Honestly, a part of me believes that he is playing up the concussion, because on the ice I have seen him play up a minor pump or tap into a hard hit or slash.

Skill and how much I like someone is completely seperate. Crosby could hold ever record and I would still dislike him. Just like how I hate Big Ben.


Franzen dives just as much, do you hate him as well? Have you ever cheered for Franzen? I hate Crosby as well, not for his on ice actions, but mostly because he looks like a smug little turd and has been forced down our throats. But to say he's playing up a concussion is just crazy talk. You don't sit out of games by your own choosing, no one would. Not even when Claude knew he was going to get his ass beat by DMac did he want to sit out. Even the biggest ***** in the NHL a decade ago wouldn't sit out of games due to headaches, he'd want to get in there and help his team.


#2213830 Eric Nystrom on waivers

Posted by Konnan511 on 09 October 2011 - 08:13 PM

And by the same token: "Hey, this guy's never proven anything at the NHL level; Wings should sign him and sit someone who has!"

As for beating San Jose, some people seem to like to harp on how close they thought the series was, but when I was watching it, I saw a team afraid to go in the corners after pucks aggressively because the Sharks were beating them in the physical game. So icing a more physical team would have helped.

Yes, Holland doesn't like physical players who can fight; there's really no argument there. But we don't get to just ignore the fact that there are other GMs out there who DO sign those players, and they're winning cups. So please, dislike fighting all you want, but just stop stating your opinions as immutable facts and pretending like there's no possible other point of view.

If that's a shot about signing Brunnstrom i agree. I thought we shouldn't have signed him and instead should have played Nyquist.

As for my comment earlier, it seems every time some scrub gets waived , but fights, the fight slappies want Holland to pick him up even though he is absolute garbage. Case in point, this thread.


A. When has anyone suggested signing someone who cant play but can fight?

B. Youre the worst on this board for putting words in other peoples mouths, as soon as its a 4th liner who can drop the gloves hes automatically only a fighter and useless in every other aspect according to you.

C .Maybe try watching the guys play for once and youll realize they do just as much as someone like Drew Miller


A. This thread.

B. Not true in the slightest. There are plenty of guys that I like that also fight.

C. I do, I even point it out earlier in the thread. Maybe you should read the entire thread before trying to call me out ;)


#2214336 Hudler?

Posted by Crymson on 12 October 2011 - 12:52 PM

Alright I am done, there is no reason for a negative 12 for simply making a placeholder for the conversation we always have.

It was done so every other thread doesn't turn into it.

Got like plus three for running a draft thread that took my entire evening and get a negative 12 for a post to try and keep other threads clean. I am sick of anonymous internet hate.


First, do you really care this much about the +/- that your thread gets?

Next, understand that your thread appeared, at first glance, as yet another knee-jerk (and, in this case, absurd) trade proposal.


#2214302 Roenick's Rant

Posted by dragonballgtz on 12 October 2011 - 10:08 AM

TSN reports:

"I love watching Sidney Crosby, but aren't you guys sick of all this by now?," he said Tuesday night on NHL Overtime on Versus.

"I'm sick and tired of listening to Sidney Crosby saying, 'nothing's new yet...nothing's new yet.' Just don't interview him anymore. I know he's the best player in the league, the best player in the world. Head shots are very, very difficult. I'm not saying he's not hurt. There's no question. I've been hit very, very hard. I understand what concussions are all about - you have to be very concerned about this. But enough."


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#2213982 Report: Pre-season Fighting Lowest in More Than a Decade

Posted by barabbas16 on 10 October 2011 - 06:17 PM

I mean, are you serious? You do know that hockey has seen fighting since the birth of its existence, right? It IS the game. Besides, whether there is fighting or not, there will always be 20 minutes of game time where the puck is in play so you don't have to worry.

You know that fighting has nothing to do with these players deaths, right? I mean, you know that fighting has existed in hockey for more than 5 years ago and that there haven't been any issues like this before? But then maybe you'll site Proberts premature death. But then i'll just retort with his destructive life style and cocain addiction - so don't bother.


No. It isn't. The '20 minutes of game time where the puck is in play' (per period) is the game.

And yes, we all realize that fighting has been around in hockey for a long time. That's why I have to hear my dad give me the old 'I went to a fight and a hockey game broke out' joke every time I bring the game up. Fighting is fewer and farther between than it used to be, and while I do not think that fighting should be disposed of from hockey or anything like that.... but I do think that the changes we've seen as far as fighting goes is for the better.

I enjoy a good fight when it IS part of the game. I enjoyed the Wings in the 90s as much as anyone else. I loved Shanahan and McCarty, but they were hockey players who could fight. I do not like players who fight just to fight for no real reason and that is basically their sole purpose - guys who wouldn't be playing otherwise.... fighters who play hockey. If you seriously think fighting IS the game - go watch UFC or something.


#2214021 Report: Pre-season Fighting Lowest in More Than a Decade

Posted by martyrme19 on 10 October 2011 - 08:56 PM

I don't know, I just don't think it's a huge coincidence that we lost 3 young hockey players in a couple months, and they all had a similar role and shared a certain play style.


Bro, Thats EXACTLY what it is. If these patterns have been going on for 70 years, THEN it wouldn't be a coincidence.

Enforcers seems to have an affinity for these lifestyles more than other hockey players.



People have already correctly responded to this, but just in case - the fighting itself does not cause their lifestyles. It is more than likely these players lifestyles that have led them to be successful fighters.

C'MON MAN!!!

No. It isn't. The '20 minutes of game time where the puck is in play' (per period) is the game.

And yes, we all realize that fighting has been around in hockey for a long time. That's why I have to hear my dad give me the old 'I went to a fight and a hockey game broke out' joke every time I bring the game up. Fighting is fewer and farther between than it used to be, and while I do not think that fighting should be disposed of from hockey or anything like that.... but I do think that the changes we've seen as far as fighting goes is for the better.

I enjoy a good fight when it IS part of the game. I enjoyed the Wings in the 90s as much as anyone else. I loved Shanahan and McCarty, but they were hockey players who could fight. I do not like players who fight just to fight for no real reason and that is basically their sole purpose - guys who wouldn't be playing otherwise.... fighters who play hockey. If you seriously think fighting IS the game - go watch UFC or something.


Yes it is. First I can argue how it intangibally affects the game. You know exactly what I would say, so I won't waste my time. You would just argue it and not listen anways. So....

Its part of the rule book and in such a way to be incorporated in the game. So ya, you're dead wrong. No questions.


#2214032 Report: Pre-season Fighting Lowest in More Than a Decade

Posted by martyrme19 on 10 October 2011 - 10:10 PM

Man, I never realized there were that many neuro-surgeons and psychologists in here.

That's absolutely amazing!

Opinions and assholes, and the other way around.
Are you really filled with that much belief in yourselves, that you think your uneducated guess bears any weight? Really?
Not one of us knows what caused what effect, or if the effect is the cause, so maybe we should stop with the wild guessing-games?

Sometime we might have a clear-cut answer as to what led to these untimely deaths, but it sure as hell won't spring from
a thread on a message board.

Really, you and I know nothing of what the cause is. So what's the argument?
It's all guesses, from people with little to no insight.
It's dumb.

None of us KNOW s*** about it.

Leave it to those who actually know what to look for, and know how to interpret the facts.

You know, doctors, professors, etc.

You know, the people with all of the tools none of us have... You know, EXPERTS.
With Machines and s***!



Sweet Jesus on his Tyranosaurus.
You know nothing. As do I.

Calm down.
At least stop arguing a point for which you have NO proof.


I firmly believe what I have to say is right. I'm basing what I have to say on proof that is available to the general public.
The EXPERTS (The Hennepin County (Minn.) Medical Examiner's office)listed Boogard's cause of death as a mixture of alcohol and oxycodone toxicity.

The EXPERTS (News1130 in Vancouver) listed Rypiens death as a suicide. Another expert, James Mirtle of the Mail and Globe reported Rypien suffered from depression and missed most of last season because of a leave of absence citing, "personal reasons".

Another EXPERT, Lionel Aadland (Belaks fricken father and former police officer) reports that his son took his own life.

And Just so I cover ALL OF MY BASES.

EXPERTS* reported the death of the players occuring in the KHL plane crash also had nothing to do with fighting. It was caused by the plane falling out of the sky.

*experts in this statement include but are not exclusive tof****** gravity*


Also, I hate using this as a statement but it does merit some weight in this argument - I often feel like I am one of the only few on these boards who have played pro hockey. As a player who has led a team in both scoring and fighting majors, I feel like I know the culture of fights in a hockey game from the perspective of a fighter and a player who is protected by its fighters. I have also had many many many sessions with professionally trained medical staffers and I would like to think that the knowledge they have bestowed upon me could also be categorized as an expert opinion.

Also - many of these arguments have no need for input from experts whatsoever. They simply require basic logical analyses and common sense. Cause and effect is a skill I have been honing since pre-school.


#2214069 Report: Pre-season Fighting Lowest in More Than a Decade

Posted by 13dangledangle on 11 October 2011 - 08:31 AM

The thing is, what defines a "staged fight"? Many people have differing definitions of this. Personally, I don't think the NHL can't be like "Oh, no you can't fight off a draw" but say "Feel free to scrap after a hit, because that shows emotional ties to the game". I feel either ban it completely, or leave it as it is. Ban it completely, though, and watch the game become a spineless cheapshot frenzy.



I'm just refering to comments made from the fighters themselfs stressing knowing they more then likely have to fight "Parros" tonite. This is the "staged" part of it to me that doesn't have to be there. I guess the only way we can have our cake and eat it to instate all new fighting rules/regulations and review fights just like hits and the head-Shanny-decides?? Seems like this game is getting very complicated :huh:. I just don't want to see that part of the game completely gone, altered ok, gone no.


#2213980 Bouchard suspended 2 games

Posted by Electrophile on 10 October 2011 - 06:14 PM

Just my $0.02, but I like that Shanahan is explaining what the infraction was, what action was taken, and why it was taken. You can argue whether some of these suspensions have been warranted or not, but at least they're not being passed down with no explanation as to why.


#2213944 Bouchard suspended 2 games

Posted by hillbillywingsfan on 10 October 2011 - 02:33 PM

2 games? Sounds fair. That guy is going to have fake teeth for the rest of his life because some idiot decided it would be a good idea to cross check him in the mouth. I thought Shanny describes the suspension perfectly, seems cut and dry.

Do I need to watch the video longer? I didn't see the cross check.


#2213810 How long before headshots are embellished by garbage players?

Posted by dicksmack on 09 October 2011 - 06:46 PM

Clean hit, definitely embellished....