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#2217195 Thoughts on Ericsson?

Posted by achildr1 on 22 October 2011 - 12:19 PM


Great fight by E.

Like the nastiness from him before it too.

I like his physical play before the fight, because thats what he needs to do to earn any part of his ridiculously inflated contract. He needs to be locked in a room, fed only protein bars, raw red meat, and made to watch video of Jiri Fischer's short career 24/7. The kid, as it stands right now, is a waste of talent, size, and 3+ million dollars. He needs to focus on his defensive awareness and physical play first and worry about putting up points in about two years. He's not good at anything right now on a consistent basis. One night he puts up a couple assists, the next 12 nights he looks lost. One night he has a fight and a goal, the next 3 months he makes pylons look like little orange Rod Langways. I can't believe I'm saying this, but he could learn from Lilja's career with the Wings. Lilja was the epitome of useless for the majority of his Wings career, but learned how to play defense and block shots by the time he left. Just focus on using that size and strength, the element the Wings need!

#2217148 Johan Franzen Watch Thread

Posted by Red Wings Addict on 22 October 2011 - 01:55 AM

It's so funny to watch this video of Jamie McClennan years after that cheap shot on Franzen during the Calgary series in 2007.

"He takes abuse in front the net..."



#2217082 10/21 GDT: Blue Jackets 2 at Red Wings 5

Posted by Yzermania on 21 October 2011 - 09:17 PM

when bert got kneed and mick went off about how it "ends guys careers and they got families to feed" etc. moore instantly popped in my head and i found it awkward and ironic at the same time.

that's just called talking about the now, not the past.

#2217081 10/21 GDT: Blue Jackets 2 at Red Wings 5

Posted by redwingfan19 on 21 October 2011 - 09:16 PM

Which one?

when bert got kneed and mick went off about how it "ends guys careers and they got families to feed" etc. moore instantly popped in my head and i found it awkward and ironic at the same time.

#2217115 Thoughts on Ericsson?

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 21 October 2011 - 10:41 PM

As long as he punches people in the face, I can forgive his other mistakes.

#2216922 10/21 GDT: Blue Jackets 2 at Red Wings 5

Posted by j.hoop on 21 October 2011 - 07:37 PM

ericsson is still a *****

#2216653 DirecTV threatens to pull FSNs

Posted by Guest on 21 October 2011 - 09:52 AM

directv center ice is pretty great, actually.

most games are in HD.

#2216609 Thoughts on Ericsson?

Posted by eva unit zero on 20 October 2011 - 11:49 PM

You're saying the same thing I'm saying. He's brought in players that have HELPED at times. Andersson and Bowman are responsible for players/development that have been the BACKBONE = Lidstrom, Fedorov, Konstantinov, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, etc, etc, etc.

Neither Andersson nor Bowman had any influence in the drafting of Fedorov, Lidstrom, or Konstantinov. Bowman was hired after all three were established players in the league, and Andersson was hired in 1990; while the trio was drafted in 1989.

Andersson's job is to scout talent and to recommend which European players to draft first. Given that Holland as a GM prefers to keep home-grown talent, and the team has a large number of European players, this will of course place a large fingerprint from Andersson as well. Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Franzen, Filppula, Hudler, Holmstrom, Kronwall, and Ericsson were all Andersson players.

But none of them are drafted or stay with the team unless Holland makes the call.

#2216548 Thoughts on Ericsson?

Posted by sean on 20 October 2011 - 05:22 PM

He's not too overpaid IMO, even if he only plays at this level (which is actually decent).

Things will look a little more proportionate when Kronwall gets his new contract, which will probably be 5-6 million. Lidstrom taking a huge pay-cut, with respect to what he could be making, also makes E's contract look bigger.

Also, you can bet that having 10 million or so in cap-space this offseason sure played into his agent's hand.

Finally, keep in mind that E's contract is only about 2.8 million in 2010-2011 dollars.

#2216514 ESPN insider article re: Wing's deadline cap space

Posted by Guest on 20 October 2011 - 01:26 PM

Why do we need an espn report to tell us something capgeek (and most LGW'ers) have known for months?

#2216492 Hudler?

Posted by Doc Holliday on 20 October 2011 - 11:25 AM

Tuomo Ruutu could center our second line yes, while Dats and Z stick together on the first.

Did people think I was talking about Jarko Ruutu or something? Negative 2 for that post, people must not be up to date on their hockey :rolleyes:

Ruutu, who has consistently put up around 60 points a season the last 3 years and been top 3 in hits and ahuge hitter would be a steal if we could get him for Hudler and would help this team out way more than Hudler does.

Hes only 28 which is relatively young as well.

I'm just gonna have to assume other people that gave that a negative dont know what theyre talking about lol

Maybe you should stop caring about reputation points.

Also Hudler is 27. And matches Ruutu's high in points. And looks like he is back to his old form.

But naw, we should trade him straight up for a guy who may not work in the system and provides an arguably negligible advantage in the long run.

#2216339 Asham KOs Beagle

Posted by sean on 19 October 2011 - 10:16 AM

You truly believe that the medical community has the concussion thing down-pat? That there is nothing left to learn? That we went from smelling-salts to experts in 10 years? I am no doctor, but based on what I've read, nothing could be further from the truth, especially with respect to long-term impact. If doctors did know everything, I'd doubt they'd be collecting brains.

The 15 minute time-outs are indeed a result of the fact that we are so UNCERTAIN about head-injuries. If you are uncertain about something, the only logical recourse is to take every precaution.

Other than the above, I think you make some good points.

I, too, have thought about boxing, wrestling and the like, where concussions are pretty much the goal. But I think it just goes back to branding. No sane human wants their child to turn out like Mike Tyson. I personally hope that children don't idolize UFC champs. Again, if one day, Crosby does something that the media even suggests is weakly connected with his then-history of head-injuries, that will be a black day for the game of hockey. The NHL's success has much to do with its reputation.

As business entities, I don't think comparing NHL and NFL is apples to oranges. Reputation and 'friendliess' of the game go a long way.

I don't know, I'm personally all for being as cautious as possible with respect to the brain. Other injuries, I agree, part of the game. But, moreso than any other organ, your brain is who you are. That is indeed your essence. You look at players like Igor Grigorenko, who broke his legs, and can't play on the level he wants because of it. But, I would argue he is still Igor Grigorenko. Someone like Savard, who can't even stand to be in the sun, I'd argue he's a changed man to some degree. That's f***ed up.

#2216118 Hudler?

Posted by Scott Stevens on 18 October 2011 - 01:04 AM

"Dumb" depends on the situation. Trading him right now for anything other than a better top-6 forward wouldn't make much sense, sure. But after another 30-ish games if we need to open a roster spot for Mursak, who knows. Maybe Hudler will have 40 points and look like an all-star, maybe he'll have 10 and be a healthy scratch half the time.

We don't yet know how Hudler will perform. We don't know how guys like Emmerton, Brunnstrom, Miller, Eaves, etc. will perform. We don't know what our team needs will be, or if we'll need to open a roster spot. Speculating that Hudler might be a good trade candidate in 2 1/2 months is no more "dumb" than speculating that he'll still be a top-6 forward at that point.

You've written a lot of words here, but really haven't said much.

#2215981 Kindl

Posted by Dave on 17 October 2011 - 01:12 PM

Mike Commodore has played 0 regular season games this year and he automagically gets placed ahead of Ericsson on the depth chart? An Ericsson who is currently at a +5.

Commodore got cut from CBJ....I'm going to have to say it again, he got cut from the Columbus Blue Jackets. Sure, he's looked ok in PS and Detroit is fairly successful with reclamation projects, but c'mon.

I guess the masses just need someone to focus on and hate, and with Hudler playing pretty well so far they have no one else to turn to.

#2215901 Asham KOs Beagle

Posted by toby91_ca on 17 October 2011 - 09:10 AM

While we've learned new stuff about concussions, concussions are nothing new at all. I was warned of what could happen if I were to play football again after sustaining one, as a teenager. I understood just fine. These are adults.

As far as the business perspective goes, remember, "business" bottomline, 1) teams are insured for players, 2) injured reserve doesn't count against the cap in such a way that if it were long term the player could be replaced presuming value is the same or less regardless of cap status.

Fighting, hitting, is part of the entertainment value of hockey, along with core parts of the sport itself.

The politically correct aspect is not criticizing the league for it's excessive nanny-like handling of concussions, because if they didn't take it as such, the media would be all over their ass. It's pretty similar to the PC flipping out over a fan tossing a banana on the ice. If the team doctor, who is there for a reason, says the player is fine, let them play. Whatever happens to the player when they're retired, they knew the risks of playing a physically violent sport, and much like those who fight for the UFC or box or even do fake rasslin' for WWE, there's little logic in blaming others -- they're paid to take those risks, not skate around in such a politically correct safe manner.

Obviously the problem is leaving it up to a league's rules when players understand that a concussion, like any wound, might have other complications beyond that. Laich's attitude comes from the fact that playing in the NHL is certainly a risk as far as physical health goes, and guess what, if you stick your face out there to fight, or play stupidly and keep your head down admiring a pass or following the puck without paying attention, take a random puck to the head, lose one's balance and hitting head in the boards, and one of the many other ways for such an injury to happen, that is part of the inherent risk of playing the game, and one cannot ever guarantee safety in such a fashion given the physicality and speed of this sport. Players aren't that stupid as to not know the possible consequences, just because we're now learning more about the long term effects of concussions. This is getting well out of hand, and I'm glad Laich spoke out about it.

What you are talking about is the risks that players take out there and you basically have to live with them, can't avoid the issue all together.

But what Laich really doesn't like is the protocal about having to go get checked out and cleared before you go back out there if you take some sort of head shot. Beagle was knocked unconcious and had to be helped off the ice. I'm sorry, but why is there a problem with then having to go sit a few minutes and get cleared before heading back out there?

Ingoring the players own stupidity and not caring whether he has a quality of life past the age of 40, ignoring potential impact on his kids, etc, I'll just take the blunt approach. If I'm the owner of the team and I have invested millions in this player and I have him under contract (guaranteed) over the next 5 years, I don't want my investment risk to be beyond what it inherently has to be.