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#2203672 Crosby's 2012 Season now in Question

Posted by Crymson on 14 August 2011 - 12:49 PM

sad news. I really hope his head aches go away and hes able to continue his career.

as per Josh Rimer of XM, @joshrimerhockey

And if they don't, he'll only have his tens and tens of millions of dollars for succor.

#2203551 Quick question.

Posted by eva unit zero on 13 August 2011 - 01:02 AM

I'm not saying being captain. I think the room already looks to Pasha to get thinks done. To me, that's basically being frontman, taking the reigns; the big cheese if you will. I see where you guys are coming from, though. And I agree 99%, but even from a marketing stand point....the last year and half has been all Pavel. It's to the point of like "Zetter-who" And that's from both inside and outside the red wings org.

That's the only reason why I posted what I posted. With all the marketing AND changes the organization has seen since 2008, heck probably since Stevie-Y left. Who knows.../shrug

EDIT: I'm horrible at this forum thing because I don't do it often enough heh. So for give me for any blips or bloops here. I just meant Pavels team on the ice, not in the locker room. I know it would help if I type these things first, but eh, I suck at the forum thing.

I would disagree. For one thing, a big part of last year was Zetterberg almost singlehandedly carrying the team through a 15-game stretch. Datsyuk is flashier, and so he gets the media attention and praise. But ultimately Z has shown himself to be the foundation that the Wings will be built on going forward. Datsyuk is certainly important, but it's like the question of "Who's more important to the Homecoming Dance, the Homecoming Queen or the dance planner?"

#2203331 Quick question.

Posted by Uncle Danny on 11 August 2011 - 03:35 PM

I disagree, although I can see where you're coming from.

Firstly, I don't think the Wings are any one individual's team, and likely haven't been since Stevie left. Even before he retired, an argument could've been made that it was the entire lockerroom's team, as I'm sure Draper and others were just as instrumental in maintaining team focus. That's one of the great things about this team over the past decade plus -- the team first mentality that brought success. In fact, I seem to recall a story about the team being down heading into the third period and every member of the team having to step up and stare both Yzerman and Chelios in the eye for near a minute before heading back out onto the ice.

Secondly, I think that Datsyuk is the player everyone else looks to in the clutch to step things up. He's the guy who will get you that amazing play to save the game. However, I believe (and this is from a spectator's perspective only) that the person they'd look to bring order from chaos when a series is on the line is still Lidstrom. There is a big difference between being the best and most talented game breaker on the ice and being the leader that everyone looks to for emotional direction. Lidstrom is the emotional bedrock of this team, and Datsyuk is looked upon to be the guy who takes that leadership first (again, IMO).

This, in a nutshell, is why I see Z taking the mantle as a done deal once Lidstrom retires. Not because Datsyuk's english is suspect, not because Z is the better player...but because when the chips are down he seems more the type to be able to tell everyone in the room what needs to happen in order to pull out a victory (and to back it up with his play). Datsyuk's a supreme talent, no question, and by all accounts a great dressing room presence...but talent doesn't necessarily translate to managing a room.

EDIT: I guess what I'm trying to say is that they all look to Datsyuk to save them in a pinch, because he can. They all look to Lidstrom (and soon Z) to ask "what do we need to do?"

#2203450 Third line players who suck

Posted by eva unit zero on 12 August 2011 - 12:02 PM

Marc Savard? Really? A healthy Hudler (which he is) couldn't dream of putting up the numbers of a healthy, non-concussed Marc Savard...who wouldn't be on the 3rd line.

From Dec 2nd through Jan 22nd, Savard played 25 games and scored 2 goals and 8 assists. In that same time span, Hudler scored 3 goals and 8 assists in 24 games. Remarkably similar stats. You can go on about a non-concussed Savard, but what about a Hudler that hadn't gone to the KHL? Maybe he's an All-Star scorer and Selke contender. We don't have the "maybe what if" numbers. If you want those, we can get Jason Williams' injury history involved.

#2203339 Jason Williams signs 1 year contract with Pittsburgh

Posted by stevie for president on 11 August 2011 - 06:02 PM

I said "a second liner, ideally a power forward". If I were saying he was a power forward, I'd have simply said "A second line power forward".

Think. You're smart. Use your brain.

Yeah but then you said "He played that EXACT role", in reference to the second line power forward...

#2203053 Carcillo opens his yapper...

Posted by RusDRW on 09 August 2011 - 05:45 PM

Which also makes a lot more sense, as Brunette fills the same kind of "utility offense" role Kopecky does, but has a wicked shot and has been a top-line offensive player for years. Brunette is also excellent with his hands and can fill the net-front spot Kopecky had been playing. I wouldn't be shocked if he has a very good season in Chicago, given the environment surrounding him. He has rarely played with other skilled forwards and skilled defenseman at the same time.

Perry was embarrassed by losing to Dats... one could say that is retribution enough.

Perry was not embarrassed. He won that fight.

#2202920 Brett Lebda traded to Nashville

Posted by eva unit zero on 08 August 2011 - 07:40 PM


Only by Eva math could Williams have averaged numbers that he only actually reached once in his career, when he had 21 goals and 37 assists in '06 (the statistically unusual post lockout year).

It doesn't matter what he would've gotten over 82 fictional games. What matters is how much a player actually scores. How many minutes he actually plays.

Williams' 58 point season was his highest point total season in that span, but he scored 36 in 43 for Chicago in 2007-08 - pace for close to 70 points on a full healthy season, and 47 in 80 games between Atlanta and Columbus (29 in 39 in Columbus) in 2008-09.

So Williams' offensive output was pretty consistent as a 50+ point player, aside from his 2006-07 season when he scored a measly 32 points.

As for the "Eva math" comment; that 20-31-51 is his total output from 2005-06 through 2008-09, averaged down to 82 games. It's not the "let's project 11 games to 82" that I am often criticized for.

#2202791 San Jose Sharks

Posted by Crymson on 07 August 2011 - 12:49 PM

Sharks vs Red Wings. It really comes down to one factor: The Sharks are built to beat the WIngs.

They're built to get lucky bounces and help from the refs against the Wings? Cool story, bud.

#2202794 San Jose Sharks

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 07 August 2011 - 02:36 PM

They're built to get lucky bounces and help from the refs against the Wings? Cool story, bud.

Stop making excuses. It makes us Wings fans sound like some pathetic losers.

Sharks beat us both times. Plain and simple. They won 4 games in both series and we didn't. We had our chances to win and didn't get it done.

This whining about bounces and refs is getting old.

#2202787 Brett Lebda traded to Nashville

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 07 August 2011 - 11:22 AM

When one of your scorers takes you to arbitration, thus delaying you for a month, during which time all of the good free-agent forwards are signed, and then bolts for Russia, what do you do? You sign the guys who are still available. Williams was one of the few, and he had scored 20 goals in the prior season.

Nice try.

Holland traded him in 2007 because he knew that Williams was a soft, lazy player. He freaking traded him for Kyle Calder for pete's sake.

Re-signing him was as dumb a move as Holland has made.

#2202732 Brett Lebda traded to Nashville

Posted by stevie for president on 06 August 2011 - 04:39 PM

So basically they gave up Cody Franson and Matt Lombardi for a prospect that will never make the team, they have to pay Lebda $1mil to not play, and if Lombardi does not play 60 games over the next 2 seasons they have to give the Leafs a 4th rounder. I hope this sends a message to their guys and around the league that they are not serious about putting a winning team on the ice. I kinda feel for Barry Trotz. He probably could be a Stanley Cup winning coach if he was on almost any other team.

#2202691 Weber Arbitration hearing...

Posted by Jersey Wing on 06 August 2011 - 12:08 PM

Have the Islanders put in a claim on Weber yet?

#2202467 Weber Arbitration hearing...

Posted by WorkingOvertime on 04 August 2011 - 09:50 PM

$7.5 mil for one year. He wanted $8.5 mil. If he thinks he is worth that much, he's got a serious problem. Think you're God's gift to hockey, fella? Well, you just proved that God has a good sense of humor.

In arbitration the player usually requests above his value and the team usually requests below the player's value. If Weber's wish is offensive, the Preds number was worse IMO.

#2202452 Weber Arbitration hearing...

Posted by Kira on 04 August 2011 - 07:22 PM

$7.5 mil for one year. He wanted $8.5 mil. If he thinks he is worth that much, he's got a serious problem. Think you're God's gift to hockey, fella? Well, you just proved that God has a good sense of humor.

#2202237 Nabokov plans to report to NYI's training camp

Posted by eva unit zero on 03 August 2011 - 03:04 PM

Only LGW would consider the following facts:

Nabokov signs in Detroit, but has to pass through waivers.

The Islanders needed a goaltender; with Dipietro injured and Roloson traded, Snow was left with prospects at varying levels of development.

Snow claimed Nabokov on waivers.

Nabokov refused to report.

Snow instead picks up Al Montoya.

LGW Conclusion:

Garth Snow the biggest idiot in GM history.

Real life:

Garth Snow made a smart move, and was vilified by LGW because of it.