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#2182430 Jonathan Ericsson's Value?

Posted by Datsyerberger on 03 June 2011 - 05:25 PM

According to this thread, some posters here make it out to seem that Ericsson raped their mothers and killed their dogs... and to some others, he's a potential young Bobby Orr is his prime... damn is the Ericsson topic polarizing...

As I've stated all along, this Babcock character just MIGHT know something about this crazy game of stick-puck and if he thinks enough of him to play him 20 min a night, MAYBE there's something there...

In my mind he should be offered and gladly accept a deal of 3m over 2 years - 1.5 a year, and if he earns it, re-negotiate then... I wouldn't be upset about him getting 2m a year though, nor would I be upset about him being let go if he won't accept it... he doesn't deserve more than 2m, but lets keep things in perspective here people...

It's a matter of appearances, really. Here's the thing about Ericsson that almost every Wings fan can likely agree on: Ericsson is boring. He just doesn't do much of anything to get noticed or get on a highlight reel. He's not physical, he's not involved in much offense, so it's more likely that Ericsson is going to show up on a highlight for a goal against than a goal for, even if his GA/60 is lower than some of the other d-men on the team. So that's what people see.

In reality, he's usually solid positionally, he's relatively safe in that he doesn't commit a particularly high amount of brain cramps, he's not particularly strong for his size but is otherwise a good athlete so he can eat plenty of minutes, and he's a good skater for his size. He's a usable bottom pair guy. He has enough tools that if he put it all together he could possibly be a #4. But for now, he's incredibly unspectacular. He doesn't have too much happen against, but he doesn't do much either. He's just... safe. That's about it. Safe with some upside, maybe.

It's a problem with LGW members looking for players that do something in every position.. because that's just what fans do. Babcock, on the other hand, is fine with a guy that can safely eat about a third of the games minutes (as long as he has more specialized/skilled guys that can be potent offensively and be matched defensively against the other teams' best players).

I'm happy enough we got an NHL-usable player with our last pick in a draft. If he can develop into a #4, awesome. If he remains a #5-6 and is willing to stay here for a good price, that's still fine. I'm glad Wings management can scout/draft/develop that well.

#2178961 Off-Season Photoshops

Posted by MidMichSteve on 24 May 2011 - 08:50 AM

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#2179823 Off-Season Photoshops

Posted by kook_10 on 25 May 2011 - 09:00 PM

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#2182170 Brad Richards

Posted by Kingston on 02 June 2011 - 05:47 PM

I was searching around on Richards,

The free agent to-be has told an old Tampa source that he has no real interest in playing in Toronto, if he, in fact, becomes a free agent come July. Richards' first choice is to remain in Dallas, assuming the team gets sold and can afford to sign him. His second and third choice, not necessarily in order, would be returning to Tampa (which doesn't seem possible economically) or playing for his old coach, John Tortorella, with the New York Rangers. He has also hinted about having some interest regarding playing in Carolina.

When asked about Toronto, he apparently said nothing but shook his head.

Toronto Sun.

I think NYR, TB , LA and probably Carolina.

Maybe Kenny will work his 'Hossa' Magic on Richards. I will laugh it that happens, and end up wining the cup.

#2181821 Jonathan Ericsson's Value?

Posted by Crymson on 01 June 2011 - 07:04 PM

Well hopefully that will change with new assistant coach.

No amount of coaching has anything to do with Ericsson's boneheaded mistakes and inabilities. Coaching is not responsible for his failure to be physical, nor his frequent defensive screw-ups--getting caught not skating, pinching at the blue-line at terrible times, leaving players wide open in awful areas, taking stupid penalties--nor his offensive inabilities--horrible shot selection, giving up breakaways due to mess-ups in the offensive zone, general inability to produce points--nor his general laziness. That's all on him.

Based on Hall Gill's deal there's no way in hell Ericsson should or would take 1.25 million (assuming his agent isn't mentally retarded). Ericsson's better offensively, younger, is a way better skater and has some upside compared to Gill. He was 4th on the Wings in mins played this season with 18:50 a game.

Considering that Holland already offered Ericsson's camp a multi-year 2 million per year contract it's pretty hilarious that you think he deserves 1.25.

Ericsson is worthless offensively and has mediocre worth defensively.

I, too, believe that the news about his contract was false. It would be unusual for both the player and the organization to deny a contract offer's existence.

#2181668 Colin Campbell Steps Down

Posted by 13GoWings40 on 01 June 2011 - 11:07 AM

The good news keeps coming! Finally we might be able to get some consistency and common sense into the disciplinary process

#2181629 Jonathan Ericsson's Value?

Posted by hooon on 01 June 2011 - 09:35 AM

Over 2 million? People suggesting 3 to 5 year contracts? Have you guys even watched a moment of this guy's career?

He has regressed every season since coming to the NHL and people want to give him a raise AND lock him up long term?

I am all for letting him walk, call me a hater or whatever the LGW term of the day is, but Ericsson has done absolutely nothing to warrant a sure spot on the roster.

He doesn't use his size, doesn't use his shot, is bad defensively and offensively, and is good for at least one monumental breakdown a game that results in a goal against.

The only positive thing anyone can say about him is his "potential", which is a completely meaningless word if you don't actually LIVE UP TO THAT POTENTIAL, which Ericsson has never, ever shown even the faintest signs of doing since the 08 playoffs.

Honestly why does ANYONE here like this guy still? For the price the OP is suggesting we could afford TWO equally bad Dman for the same price.

The most I would accept is 1 or 2 years at about 1.4 per. I'd rather he walk though. Let the Leafs overpay him.

#2181425 Brian Rafalski announces retirement after 11 NHL seasons

Posted by Grayne Wetzky on 31 May 2011 - 07:31 PM

I have been wanting this guy off the Wings since the 2009 finals, but now that he is done, I'll say thanks for the 2008 run and the service. He had his moments. See ya, Rafi.

#2181319 Pros & Cons of potential Rafalski replacements

Posted by blueadams on 31 May 2011 - 02:22 PM

I just put this together to get an organized discussion going about Rafalski's replacement. I don't watch a lot of non-wings hockey, so my knowledge of these guys is pretty limited. I just posted pretty brief pro's/con's alongside. If I'm wrong about this or that, don't go nuts...just correct me, I'll probably bow down quickly.

If I had to guess, I'd say that we sign Jovanovski to a one-year contract and then hope to get a chance at Doughty, Weber, Suter, Burns, etc. next-offseason. If we do sign someone long term, I'd like for it to be Bieksa, but I don't see him leaving...and see Pitkanen as the next best option. Would love to hear what everyone else has to say.

Christian Ehrhoff, 28, 6-2, 203, L, 3.1m - Probably the best offensive defenseman in this class, good size, solid defensively; not very physical though.
James Wisniewski, 27, 5-11, 205, R, 3.25m - Very skilled offensively; bad defensively..one-hit wonder?
Tomas Kaberle, 33, 6-1, 214, L, 4.25m - Very skilled offensively; very soft.
Joni Pitkannen, 27, 6-3, 210, L, 4.0m - Probably the best all-around defenseman in this class next to Bieksa; durability/consistency issues.
Kevin Bieksa, 29, 6-1, 198, R, 3.75m - Probably the best all-around defenseman in this class; might be hard to steal from VAN though.
Roman Hamrlik, 37, 6-2, 207, L, 5.5m - Might be willing to sign a one-year contract, solid all-around; not very physical.
Bryan McCabe, 35, 6-2, 220, L, 5.75m - Solid all-around; nothing special.
Ian White, 26, 5-10, 191, R, 3.0m - Solid all-around; nothing special.
Sami Salo, 36, 6-3, 212, R, 3.5m - He'd be great on the PP; not very physical for a giant...durability concerns.
Andrei Markov, 32, 6-0, 207, L, 5.75m - Very skilled offensively, might come cheap; not very physical...major durability concerns.
Niclas Wallin, 36, 6-3, 220, L, 2.65m - Solid defensively; not much offensively, soft.
Eric Brewer, 32, 6-3, 222, L, 4.25m - Solid defensively; not much offensively.
Ed Jovanovski, 34, 6-3, 218, L, 6.5m - Very talented, experienced...might take a one year deal; scumbag.
Scott Hannan, 32, 6-1, 225, L, 4.5m - Very solid defensively, physical; not much offensively.

#2181136 Jonathan Ericsson Appreciation Thread

Posted by Holmstrom96 on 30 May 2011 - 08:41 PM

Ericsson sucks.

#2180854 SCF: Boston Bruins vs. Vancouver Canucks

Posted by Red Wings Addict on 29 May 2011 - 02:51 PM

This series makes me think, "God I can't wait for the draft."

#2180655 SCF: Boston Bruins vs. Vancouver Canucks

Posted by Wings4Life19 on 28 May 2011 - 02:13 PM

Don't want either team to win, so i'll say Vancouver loses in 7

#2180679 SCF: Boston Bruins vs. Vancouver Canucks

Posted by Chairman Maouth on 28 May 2011 - 04:22 PM

Really, REALLY hate vancouver but love Boston! Not sure how this series is going to pan out, but if feb. 26. 2011 is any indication Ill be a happy man!

That was a game where the Canucks out-hit the Bruins nearly into oblivion but lost 3-1 (empty netter). It was also around the time when the Canucks defence was so beat up that they were down to about the number 14 defenceman on the depth charts. Even the call-up replacements for the injured top 6 were getting injured. That game is not a very valid comparison to draw any conclusions from, other than that the Canucks defence is incredibly deep considering they continued to play better than .500 hockey through that time.

Boston deserves this one. My housemate is in heaven, because she's been a B's fan for eons. I hope they bring it back to an Original Six team again. It's been pretty neat to have an O6 team win two of the last three Cups. Let's hope Boston makes it 3 of 4. GO BRUINS!!!!!

Oh yeah, there is one other thing...bears love to eat fish. :lol:

An orca is not a fish. If a bear ever tried to eat an orca it would be taken back into the food chain and converted into a brown slick on the ocean within about 24 hours. :yowza:

#2180529 Tampa Bay vs. Boston

Posted by Hockeytown0001 on 27 May 2011 - 09:50 PM

Gotta feel for Roloson, he was ridiculous this game.

#2180547 Tampa Bay vs. Boston

Posted by SiLkK19 on 27 May 2011 - 10:22 PM

These two teams were out to play, not win an olympic diving medal.