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#2213982 Report: Pre-season Fighting Lowest in More Than a Decade

Posted by barabbas16 on 10 October 2011 - 06:17 PM

I mean, are you serious? You do know that hockey has seen fighting since the birth of its existence, right? It IS the game. Besides, whether there is fighting or not, there will always be 20 minutes of game time where the puck is in play so you don't have to worry.

You know that fighting has nothing to do with these players deaths, right? I mean, you know that fighting has existed in hockey for more than 5 years ago and that there haven't been any issues like this before? But then maybe you'll site Proberts premature death. But then i'll just retort with his destructive life style and cocain addiction - so don't bother.


No. It isn't. The '20 minutes of game time where the puck is in play' (per period) is the game.

And yes, we all realize that fighting has been around in hockey for a long time. That's why I have to hear my dad give me the old 'I went to a fight and a hockey game broke out' joke every time I bring the game up. Fighting is fewer and farther between than it used to be, and while I do not think that fighting should be disposed of from hockey or anything like that.... but I do think that the changes we've seen as far as fighting goes is for the better.

I enjoy a good fight when it IS part of the game. I enjoyed the Wings in the 90s as much as anyone else. I loved Shanahan and McCarty, but they were hockey players who could fight. I do not like players who fight just to fight for no real reason and that is basically their sole purpose - guys who wouldn't be playing otherwise.... fighters who play hockey. If you seriously think fighting IS the game - go watch UFC or something.


#2214021 Report: Pre-season Fighting Lowest in More Than a Decade

Posted by martyrme19 on 10 October 2011 - 08:56 PM

I don't know, I just don't think it's a huge coincidence that we lost 3 young hockey players in a couple months, and they all had a similar role and shared a certain play style.


Bro, Thats EXACTLY what it is. If these patterns have been going on for 70 years, THEN it wouldn't be a coincidence.

Enforcers seems to have an affinity for these lifestyles more than other hockey players.



People have already correctly responded to this, but just in case - the fighting itself does not cause their lifestyles. It is more than likely these players lifestyles that have led them to be successful fighters.

C'MON MAN!!!

No. It isn't. The '20 minutes of game time where the puck is in play' (per period) is the game.

And yes, we all realize that fighting has been around in hockey for a long time. That's why I have to hear my dad give me the old 'I went to a fight and a hockey game broke out' joke every time I bring the game up. Fighting is fewer and farther between than it used to be, and while I do not think that fighting should be disposed of from hockey or anything like that.... but I do think that the changes we've seen as far as fighting goes is for the better.

I enjoy a good fight when it IS part of the game. I enjoyed the Wings in the 90s as much as anyone else. I loved Shanahan and McCarty, but they were hockey players who could fight. I do not like players who fight just to fight for no real reason and that is basically their sole purpose - guys who wouldn't be playing otherwise.... fighters who play hockey. If you seriously think fighting IS the game - go watch UFC or something.


Yes it is. First I can argue how it intangibally affects the game. You know exactly what I would say, so I won't waste my time. You would just argue it and not listen anways. So....

Its part of the rule book and in such a way to be incorporated in the game. So ya, you're dead wrong. No questions.


#2214032 Report: Pre-season Fighting Lowest in More Than a Decade

Posted by martyrme19 on 10 October 2011 - 10:10 PM

Man, I never realized there were that many neuro-surgeons and psychologists in here.

That's absolutely amazing!

Opinions and assholes, and the other way around.
Are you really filled with that much belief in yourselves, that you think your uneducated guess bears any weight? Really?
Not one of us knows what caused what effect, or if the effect is the cause, so maybe we should stop with the wild guessing-games?

Sometime we might have a clear-cut answer as to what led to these untimely deaths, but it sure as hell won't spring from
a thread on a message board.

Really, you and I know nothing of what the cause is. So what's the argument?
It's all guesses, from people with little to no insight.
It's dumb.

None of us KNOW s*** about it.

Leave it to those who actually know what to look for, and know how to interpret the facts.

You know, doctors, professors, etc.

You know, the people with all of the tools none of us have... You know, EXPERTS.
With Machines and s***!



Sweet Jesus on his Tyranosaurus.
You know nothing. As do I.

Calm down.
At least stop arguing a point for which you have NO proof.


I firmly believe what I have to say is right. I'm basing what I have to say on proof that is available to the general public.
The EXPERTS (The Hennepin County (Minn.) Medical Examiner's office)listed Boogard's cause of death as a mixture of alcohol and oxycodone toxicity.

The EXPERTS (News1130 in Vancouver) listed Rypiens death as a suicide. Another expert, James Mirtle of the Mail and Globe reported Rypien suffered from depression and missed most of last season because of a leave of absence citing, "personal reasons".

Another EXPERT, Lionel Aadland (Belaks fricken father and former police officer) reports that his son took his own life.

And Just so I cover ALL OF MY BASES.

EXPERTS* reported the death of the players occuring in the KHL plane crash also had nothing to do with fighting. It was caused by the plane falling out of the sky.

*experts in this statement include but are not exclusive tof****** gravity*


Also, I hate using this as a statement but it does merit some weight in this argument - I often feel like I am one of the only few on these boards who have played pro hockey. As a player who has led a team in both scoring and fighting majors, I feel like I know the culture of fights in a hockey game from the perspective of a fighter and a player who is protected by its fighters. I have also had many many many sessions with professionally trained medical staffers and I would like to think that the knowledge they have bestowed upon me could also be categorized as an expert opinion.

Also - many of these arguments have no need for input from experts whatsoever. They simply require basic logical analyses and common sense. Cause and effect is a skill I have been honing since pre-school.


#2214069 Report: Pre-season Fighting Lowest in More Than a Decade

Posted by 13dangledangle on 11 October 2011 - 08:31 AM

The thing is, what defines a "staged fight"? Many people have differing definitions of this. Personally, I don't think the NHL can't be like "Oh, no you can't fight off a draw" but say "Feel free to scrap after a hit, because that shows emotional ties to the game". I feel either ban it completely, or leave it as it is. Ban it completely, though, and watch the game become a spineless cheapshot frenzy.



I'm just refering to comments made from the fighters themselfs stressing knowing they more then likely have to fight "Parros" tonite. This is the "staged" part of it to me that doesn't have to be there. I guess the only way we can have our cake and eat it to instate all new fighting rules/regulations and review fights just like hits and the head-Shanny-decides?? Seems like this game is getting very complicated :huh:. I just don't want to see that part of the game completely gone, altered ok, gone no.


#2213980 Bouchard suspended 2 games

Posted by Electrophile on 10 October 2011 - 06:14 PM

Just my $0.02, but I like that Shanahan is explaining what the infraction was, what action was taken, and why it was taken. You can argue whether some of these suspensions have been warranted or not, but at least they're not being passed down with no explanation as to why.


#2213944 Bouchard suspended 2 games

Posted by hillbillywingsfan on 10 October 2011 - 02:33 PM

2 games? Sounds fair. That guy is going to have fake teeth for the rest of his life because some idiot decided it would be a good idea to cross check him in the mouth. I thought Shanny describes the suspension perfectly, seems cut and dry.

Do I need to watch the video longer? I didn't see the cross check.


#2213810 How long before headshots are embellished by garbage players?

Posted by dicksmack on 09 October 2011 - 06:46 PM

Clean hit, definitely embellished....


#2213813 How long before headshots are embellished by garbage players?

Posted by dragonballgtz on 09 October 2011 - 06:57 PM

Players started to embellish last year. All that does is make the refs jobs even harder for them to do.


#2213823 How long before headshots are embellished by garbage players?

Posted by stinky fish taco on 09 October 2011 - 07:23 PM

So Abdelkader makes an ass out of himself by embellishing a hit once, and he's just as big of a piece of s*** as Cooke?

where did i say that?

everyone already knows that cooke is human garbage. that's nothing new.

a discussion about the potential that players may intentionally embellish any hit near the head due to the new rules might actually result in some conversation. it just so happens that the most blatant example of that so far was abdelkader. hopefully it was a one-time thing.


#2213832 How long before headshots are embellished by garbage players?

Posted by stinky fish taco on 09 October 2011 - 08:21 PM

You said that here.

Obviously, you didn't say it verbatim, but you clearly were implying 'Cooke=Abdelkader' or something similar with this post.

But then, you already knew that....as did anyone else with a fully functioning brain.

See - I didn't actually say in the line above that you have a full functioning brain, but I implied it.

There's no need to play dumb. Go ahead and stand up for the point you are making. I don't agree with it and neither would most, I would imagine. But, you're entitled to your opinion, so don't be fickle and back off from it.

Unless 'Bring Back the Bruise Brothers' is right and your whole purpose in posting was to stir up trouble.

i was implying that abdelkader had the worst embellishment of a hit to the head so far this season, which is completely true. nothing to do with cooke.

sorry to disappoint you.

i wouldn't make a habit of trying to determine other posters' intentions. you're apparently not very good at it.


#2213854 How long before headshots are embellished by garbage players?

Posted by Konnan511 on 10 October 2011 - 02:47 AM

i was implying that abdelkader had the worst embellishment of a hit to the head so far this season, which is completely true. nothing to do with cooke.

sorry to disappoint you.

i wouldn't make a habit of trying to determine other posters' intentions. you're apparently not very good at it.


False. I see him throwing his arms up as to say "WTF". Not throwing his arms up as "OMG I'm le hurt"


#2213857 How long before headshots are embellished by garbage players?

Posted by Bring Back The Bruise Bros on 10 October 2011 - 03:07 AM

The flop by Semin last week was ugly too.


#2213761 How long before headshots are embellished by garbage players?

Posted by Konnan511 on 09 October 2011 - 02:23 PM

It wasn't embellished. Looks like he took a tricep in the jaw.


#2213803 Eric Nystrom on waivers

Posted by newfy on 09 October 2011 - 06:22 PM

How does Nystrom help Detroit beat San Jose in the 2nd round? The Wings lost because of poorly timed penalty and no clutch scoring. If I want to put one of those two on the ice when I need to break a tie, or tie a game, Brunnstrom is the only choice. If I want to put a player in who won't cost the team a lead by taking a stupid penalty, again Brunnstrom wins.

Brunnstrom had a decent training camp and now when you need to tie a game youre putting Brunnstrom out there?

Do you guys not realize that Brunnstrom wasnt even that guy in the AHL last season?

And once again Brunnstrom had 10 les pims in less games played than Nystrom last year, while 10 of Nystroms came in fights and I can guarantee a few were off setting roughings. Using stats and not bias against a player will show you that Brunnstrom actually takes more dumb penalties

The Wings have also been worn down physically in the playoffs by the sharks and Coyotes the last 2 seasons. Noone will like to acknowledge that because it makes their argument against a physical player sound better. Maybe if the wings could wear down another team for once they would do better in the playoffs

"Hey, this guy can fight, but he's terrible in every other aspect, Wings should sign him and sit someone who is better!"

When has anyone suggested signing someone who cant play but can fight?

Youre the worst on this board for putting words in other peoples mouths, as soon as its a 4th liner who can drop the gloves hes automatically only a fighter and useless in every other aspect according to you.

Maybe try watching the guys play for once and youll realize they do just as much as someone like Drew Miller


#2213788 Eric Nystrom on waivers

Posted by Konnan511 on 09 October 2011 - 04:44 PM

"Hey, this guy can fight, but he's terrible in every other aspect, Wings should sign him and sit someone who is better!"