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#2210009 The Official NHL Suspension Thread

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 27 September 2011 - 03:26 PM

Who here said he was an enforcer? Nobody.

The fact that teams can start phasing out "enforcers" who's sole job was to beat the s*** out of players like Wisniewski (sp?). Now those type of players are being punished on an entirely new level and costing them their careers. If Wiz comes back and pulls this same stunt again, his next suspension could be a year off without pay + fines... perhaps bankrupting said player. Shanahan is making a statement.

Players can still fight without dressing 'enforcers'. More skilled players will play instead of unskilled goons. That's progress and the direction the new NHL is (and should) go. Who wants to see star players careers end short by retards who can't play hockey or by dirty players?

The fact is, GMs won't need to blow money and roster spots on Downie type players anymore because Shanahan is taking out the Ruutu's and Cooke type players antics out of the game. If these players cost their teams (Wiz sitting in the press box instead of playing hockey is hurting his team) GMs are going to avoid signing those type of players in the future because they are more of a liability than their worth.

This is the direction the new NHL is going and it's brilliant on Shanahan's part to start enforcing this. Hockey just got better!


I highly doubt it.

Wisniewski is a guy that can score a lot of points from the blueline. He's overpaid, but guys like him will always have a place in the game because he's a good player. Downie is an ******* and a dirty player, but he spent time on Tampa's top 2 lines last season, and put up good numbers. Cooke is a well liked guy in the Pens lockerroom. These players will always be around whether they get suspended a lot or not, because they are important to the team when in the lineup.

As for pure enforcers, they'll be around as long as fighting is allowed in hockey and as long as they're paid cheaply. I want the NHL to be more physical than their European hockey counterparts. That's one of the things that makes me love hockey. I like seeing pure goons fight. What I don't like is people like Ruutu, Cooke, Tootoo, etc. but those players won't ever disappear as long as they can contribute something else to their team. Now a guy like Shelley, I don't mind seeing get punished, because he's a pure goon but he's also a dirty player who has no business being out there.

What I really want to see is an elimination of both the instigator rule and the suspension for instigating at the end of games. Then maybe Wisniewski would have challenged Clutterbuck and not tried to take his head off. I think the instigator has resulted in many injuries that could have possibly been avoided. Of course you can still get injured in a fight, but when a guy is blindsided to the head, he has no chance of defending himself.


#2209975 The Official NHL Suspension Thread

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 27 September 2011 - 01:23 PM

I don't really agree with that conclusion either. Fights will not be eliminated by this but hopefully some of the more reckless behavior will.


The comment I responded to was an idiotic thing to say.

There were a lot fewer cheapshots 20 or 30 years ago then there are now, despite the fact there were tons more enforcers and fights in those days. Do people not understand that fact?

And a guy like Wisniewski isn't even an enforcer, so I don't see how this will deter players like him from playing in the NHL. Guy is going to be Columbus's top D-man this season. It was just a stupid comment. What Wisniewki should have done is fight Clutterbuck, instead of blindside him. That's what fighting is for, if you feel your teammate needs to be defended. Instead, he blindsided the guy.

Guys like Cooke, Ruutu and Kaleta are also not going to be eliminated from the game. Those guys can actually take a regular shift, but are dangerous dirty players. They're the ones who have caused the most concussions and injuries over the years. Not the pure goons.


#2209950 The Official NHL Suspension Thread

Posted by Bar Down on 27 September 2011 - 10:32 AM

Im in no way saying that some suspensions shouldn't occur. But do you really thin Wiz should get 8 games for that? suspended? yes prolly, 8 games? no


And instead of suspending everyone, they could just bring the game back to pre lockout, those barely noticeable holds can prevent injuries. I just want hockey 2 be like it was in the 90's.


Absolutely Wisniewski deserved 8 games for that. He targeted Clutterbuck's head with his elbow after the game had ended. Clutterbuck didn't even have the puck, either.

On top of that Wisniewski has been suspended four times since 2008. He's a meat head.


#2209809 9/25 Pre-Season GDT: Chicago Blackhawks at Red Wings

Posted by wings1110 on 26 September 2011 - 02:58 PM

Apparently Bud Light is now served at the Joe in addition to Miller Lite due to the advertisements on the boards.

I know, I know, you don't care.

I do! beer and hockey are my favorite things! and ***** of course!


#2209690 9/25 Pre-Season GDT: Chicago Blackhawks at Red Wings

Posted by LeftWinger on 25 September 2011 - 08:58 PM

Nice to see Ericsson off to a strong start.

:blink:


#2209531 Filppula is "too nice".

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 25 September 2011 - 12:42 PM

Filppula's favorite Die Hard line.........

"Shoot the Glass!" :hehe:


#2209361 Wayne Gretzky's Trick Shots

Posted by lookalive07 on 23 September 2011 - 11:39 PM

I think some of those might be fake.


No, it's definitely not shopped, I can tell by the pixels and I've seen a lot of shops in my life.




I lol'd though.


#2208819 Mike Modano announces retirement

Posted by toby91_ca on 22 September 2011 - 11:49 AM

Interesting.

He wasn't better than Chris Chelios. He wasn't better than Mark Howe. He wasn't better than Frank Brimsek. He wasn't better than Pat LaFontaine. I'd probably put him fifth though, just ahead of Beezer and Barrasso. Ryan Miller is quickly moving up that list though.

What I find interesting is how you pretend that your "opinions" are facts, it's strange.

By the way, no love for Brett Hull? Or do you consider him Canadian and not American?


#2208906 Mike Modano announces retirement

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 22 September 2011 - 05:53 PM


Ah, you're right. I did leave Hull off. That does push Modano out of the top five.

And btw, Frank Brimsek was one of the top two goaltenders in the NHL in the first eight of his ten seasons, missing two years during that span because of Coast Guard service. Modano is not even CLOSE to that.

Modano scored more points than LaFontaine, but LaFontaine's career ended early due to concussions. LaFontaine was considered among the top few centers in the league for a long time when Gretzky, Lemieux, Yzerman, and Messier were all in their primes. Modano didn't have competition nearly that stiff, and still spent less time near the top. His peak was also not as high. The only thing Modano might have had on LaFontaine is defensive play. And even that only came in a short five or six year span of Modano's career in the late 1990s and early 2000s; he was terrible defensively early on and for the last few years of his career.

Howe played at the same level through the 80s as Ray Bourque and Paul Coffey, both generally considered top-ten all-time defensemen and both in their prime.

Chelios won multiple Norrises and contended for many others, and was considered one of the league's top defensemen for fifteen years.

Hull actually has more 17 points in 230 fewer games, but is not American-born so Modano is still technically the leader in that category. Hull also has a Hart trophy and a Pearson award, while Modano has a Calder trophy.

So depending on whether you include Hull, Modano is either the fifth or sixth greatest American hockey player.


Longevity is a part of the game. LaFontaine did have his career end early, while Modano played on and continued to excel. That gives Modano a notch over LaFontaine in my book, whether it's partially luck related or not. Also, you have to remember that LaFontaine padded his stats somewhat from playing in the 80's, where guys scored more often. Modano in his prime in the 80's would have put up similar numbers.

And Modano did have stiff competition at his position. Sure, he didn't have Gretzky or Lemieux, but he had Sakic, Fedorov, Lindros, Yzerman, Forsberg, Sundin, etc. Those are some pretty damn good centers and will all likely be in the HOF someday.

You say defensive play is all he had over LaFontaine? How about skating? Modano could skate as well as any player in hockey history. He also had a cannon for a wrist shot, slap shot, one-timer and one of the best backhands in the game ever. Also, he was the face of a franchise for several decades and was usually their most feared offensive player.


#2208807 Kindl

Posted by stevkrause on 22 September 2011 - 11:22 AM

I'm hoping he gets the chance & maybe if he does, he can inspire Big E to do the same.

I'm hoping Commie rubs off on E more than anyone... teach him to be a little nastier and use that size more, hell hopefully both Kindl AND E pick up a little of that snarl from Commie... I still think Commie is going to be our everyday number 6 and Kindl will end up on the outside looking in, more often than not, but if he EARNS the job, then good for him... plus, there are ALWAYS injuries, so he will get his shots...


#2208799 Mike Modano announces retirement

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 22 September 2011 - 10:58 AM

Interesting.

He wasn't better than Chris Chelios. He wasn't better than Mark Howe. He wasn't better than Frank Brimsek. He wasn't better than Pat LaFontaine. I'd probably put him fifth though, just ahead of Beezer and Barrasso. Ryan Miller is quickly moving up that list though.


His career accomplishments exceed anyone besides Chelios, imo.

His talent level is ahead of all those players for that matter.


#2208492 Mike Modano announces retirement

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 21 September 2011 - 05:42 PM

Second greatest American hockey player of all time.

And whether you people like it or not, he should have retired last season and played his whole career with one franchise. He wasn't sure that he wanted to come back, and the indecision should have been enough for him to say no.


#2208487 Mike Modano announces retirement

Posted by P. Marlowe on 21 September 2011 - 05:03 PM

It's a shame that a legend like him couldn't go out on a high note.


#2208455 Mike Modano announces retirement

Posted by Brunnstrom on 21 September 2011 - 02:36 PM

Thank you .. GOD ..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


#2208203 Riley Shean is built

Posted by newfy on 19 September 2011 - 09:14 PM

Well needless to say, the wings prospect I'm hoping hits his potential the most is Riley Sheahan.

After his secon dhalf last season I'm very excited to see what he does this year, with his potential selke like defense and his second half offensive production, over the course of a full season I could see him becoming our second or third best prospect.

On top of all that he is a big hitter and has said he is willing to fight with a 6'2 200+ pound frame. I cant wait to see a guy like that in the wings top 6 again (sheahan sounds pretty similar to shanahan ;) )

So anyways I was looking around online and I never realized this but Sheahan is pretty damn built.

http://oilers.nhl.co...s.htm?id=530486

He finishes in the top 10 against other his age in quite a few different categories like 4th in bench press and standing long jump. The NCAA emphasizes hitting the weights more so than the OHL and by the time this kid hits pro hockey he could be built like a brock s*** house and really physically dominating player

Mod feel free to edit his last name in the title, even though the winning puns wont get old