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#2527177 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by krsmith17 on 30 June 2014 - 11:55 AM

I'm not sure if it's good or bad that all these bottom pairing defensemen are getting bought out. I definitely don't want any of these guys, I just hope Kenny feels the same way and his priority remains with one of the big name guys. We desperately need a right handed defenseman so for me I want Niskanen and if that doesn't pan out I want Gilbert, then Boyle. All these defensemen being added to this years UFA class can be a good thing, lowering the asking price for the top guys a little. However, it could also be a bad thing, because for every team buying out one of these players, there is a new team added to the list that need a defenseman...

#2527155 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by e_prime on 30 June 2014 - 10:40 AM

So they wanted cap space and yet they retained a 1.15 million cap for Gagner. Why was that a good move? I think he could have at least gotten someone to take gagner's full salary.

Tampa retained salary (real monies) not cap (cba monies)  Also, limited time... Gagner has a NTC that kicks in on July 1.

#2526912 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by DickieDunn on 29 June 2014 - 12:43 PM

We need to replace Tootoo's shop wrecking abilities


Only if they can find a player who has a brain and doesn't constantly run out of position to make a hit.

#2526674 James Neal traded to Predators

Posted by DickieDunn on 28 June 2014 - 02:30 PM

And Trotz is thinking "sure NOW you a-holes go out and get talent."

#2526171 Kesler traded to Anaheim

Posted by kipwinger on 27 June 2014 - 02:43 PM

Well there goes that.  Seems like a pretty good trade for both sides.  Vancouver was trading within the division (typically requiring a larger return) and Kesler only approved limited teams (typically ending in a smaller return). 


He's a good player and I'd have loved to have had him in the Winged Wheel.  Oh well, on to the next one. 

#2526131 Kesler traded to Anaheim

Posted by rick zombo on 27 June 2014 - 01:26 PM

Why does it always seem like teams get steals when it comes to trades and we're always getting f***ed? I don't care for Kesler anyway and glad he stayed in the Western Conference.


Well, for starters, Kesler only wanted to go to Anaheim or Chicago.


Vancouver took what they could get for him under the circumstances.


So part of it is that none of these guys ultimately want to play in Detroit. As painful as i may sound, would you rather live in Detroit playing for a bubble team or live in Anaheim, playing for a contender?

#2525641 SC winners and the draft.

Posted by Richdg on 25 June 2014 - 08:39 AM




I'm not sure what bothers me most about your posts... The topic for discussion is non-stimulating, your logic is fragile, and your writing style is annoyingly conversational and hard to follow.


If you're going to develop a theory around the need for top-10 picks to be on your team in order to win a cup, then at least make an effort. This is pretty half-assed.


Besides, by looking back the past 20 years, you're comparing the salary cap era and the pre-salary cap era. 


You're also comparing a North America-centric draft era to an ever increasing global system. Do you think Datsyuk would have gone at 171 if he were available in the 2014 draft? Maybe you could start a new topic about that.


Are you suggesting we tank it for a couple years? Relive the 80s? Get the next Yzerman? Are you saying we should package our prospects for a top-10 pick with a s***ty contract? Pay an inflated rate for a top-10 FA? I don't get what you're saying.


If you're going to try to be thought-provoking and philosophical with your threads, please spend more than 5 minutes writing them. 


The don't read the posts. Pretty simple.

#2525287 HHOF Class of 2014

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 23 June 2014 - 02:32 PM

@RedWingsFeed: Brett Hull is planning on attending the HHOF induction and will have one foot on the stage during Hasek's acceptance speech


#2525243 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by kipwinger on 23 June 2014 - 11:28 AM

Hartnell and Umberger are basically the same player.  And both are incredibly valuable secondary players.  Good trade by the BJs considering Umberger wanted out.  They got good value for a guy who I'm sure they'd rather have kept. 


p.s. I still hate Hartnell...with a passion. 

#2524964 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 20 June 2014 - 10:07 PM

Another question I've been asking myself when it comes to what we need/want this offseason is this:  What kind of  team are we, and what kind of team do we want to be?


It's clear that there's a lot of talent available this offseason.  A whole lot of teams aren't happy with the outcomes of their seasons and are looking to shake up their rosters.  But just because a guy is talented, or has played the right role in the past, doesn't mean he's a fit.  For a few years now I've felt we were a team without an identity.  Not skilled enough to be a skill team, not gritty enough to be a gritty team, and not big enough to be a power team.  Now we've got some young talent coming along which displays some skill, and was drafted as such.  Do we keep going in that direction and try to overwhelm teams with pure skill?  Do we augment it with power?  Do we augment it with grittiness?  


Personally, I think we can't expect playoff success on pure skill. Teams keep us to the outside and block shots.  And we don't have the core go completely over to power like a Boston or Anahiem (whose best players are huge).  I think the smartest move is to go gritty.  Replace just a little bit of high end skill for fast, tough, rough guys.  Be like a better version of Montreal or Columbus.  Which would preclude acquiring guys like Thornton or Perron.  But that's just me. 

#2524674 Dan Cleary may return...sigh

Posted by plopster on 19 June 2014 - 07:11 PM

I think this will be like the maltby deal. I can't see him wanting to play in the ahl. And if he does play on the wings then it will be because he earned it. Maybe he busts his ass in the offseason and gets in beast mode for one last hoorah. Or maybe his body can't do what his mind wants to and he realizes it and hangs em up. His knees are pretty much shot.

#2524640 Dan Cleary may return...sigh

Posted by Internet.Unknown on 19 June 2014 - 04:53 PM

Im ok with him coming to terms with being broken, beat and old. He has had a great stay with us, but i would hate for him to overstay his welcome and be remembered as the gimp that didn't know when to quit. It's time to hang em up that's all there is to it.


I'm thankful that individuals are free to make their own decisions on when to retire. Do I want Cleary back on the Wings' roster this year? Nope. Would I tell another man to retire from his career? Never.

#2524454 Dan Boyle's rights traded to the Islanders…..

Posted by kipwinger on 18 June 2014 - 03:14 PM


True, but we don't know what (if anything) might come after Boyle. Whether it be Alfie, a trade for Kesler, Edler or whatever. The pieces get added one by one generally not all at the same time. 


Agreed.  We don't know.  Although I'm certainly not banking on anything else.  Signing old washed up vets is Holland's MO.  Trading for impact players like Kesler and Edler isn't.  If he signs Boyle and then goes on to do grab a couple first rate players in their prime, I won't have anything to complain about.  However, history has shown Holland signs guys like Boyle in lieu of making impact moves, not in addition to making impact moves.  If he signs Boyle, I sure hope this will be the exception.

#2524456 Dan Boyle's rights traded to the Islanders…..

Posted by Jesusberg on 18 June 2014 - 03:18 PM


Exactly, which is why I'm advocating we either A) acquire multiple impact players, or B) have faith that our kids will be impact players and then give them roster spots and ice time to prove it.


There's no combination of Boyle + Kids that makes us good enough to compete for a Cup before he retires at the end of whatever contract he signs this year.  And by signing him and nobody better, you've already conceded that you're not winning anything next year.  So even in the best case scenario you've only got a one year window of opportunity for him to be a "piece of the puzzle".  At which point he'll be 39 years old and will have declined further than he already has.


All for about 5 million a year. 

So then C) Acquire Boyle and allow him to pass on knowledge (not just faith) to the kids, helping along their ability to become impact players isn't an option? Ok, I guess.

It's easy to say there's no combination of Boyle + prospects that help us compete for a Cup, but I don't feel that to be true. At the very least, I'm not going to write off a team that suffered all the injuries that they did this past year. Nor do I think that signing Boyle would be conceding to failure - rather, it would be preparing the kids better.

I feel like the argument being presented is working in extremes. "We go for the cup, or we let the kids sink/swim. Signing Boyle means we're giving up." I can kind of see the basis for your argument, but at the same time I don't see at all how singing a PP specialist, vet is going to hurt the process of creating solid defenders out of Ouellet, Sproul, Marchenko, etc. I personally think that having two of those three guys in the line-up, next season, is rushing things a bit. They've all had one year in GR.

As far as the whole 5 million tag, the last thing this team needs to worry about is the cap. They're comfortable, and the RFA's who need to be signed aren't going to take up that big of a chunk.

#2524133 Dan Cleary may return...sigh

Posted by number9 on 17 June 2014 - 07:47 AM

If he is signing a 2way contract I don't see why people have a problem. Wings are keeping their word and sending a vet wing leader to Grand Rapids to teach the kids the way of the wheel.