Kindl and Quincey being among the top in +/- only shows how mostly useless the stat is.
After the first few games Quincey hasn't been as awful as people make him sound a lot of the time, but he's not been great. Kindl's been slightly more physical but just when I think he's starting to get it together he gets caught well out of position or just turns the puck over by shooting it up the boards in a panic.
Kronwall is lowest on the team with a -9. He's clearly been struggling in his new role as a top D man, but he's also asked to do a lot more than Kindl and Quincey. So it's not like that stat shows they're playing better than Kronwall.
When Datsyuk beat all the Preds on the ice to score, all the Wings on the ice got a plus 1. Likewise when White's stick broke and he was flailing around on the ice, everyone on the ice got a minus 1. there's just too many random factors for it to mean much of anything.
Plus-minus and the secondary assist are the most misleading stats in hockey.
Its a pretty darn safe assumption and common sense if you read the quote from the district: “This action has had a immediate and dramatic impact on the Farmington boys hockey team and the entire Farmington community."
Now had they only cared about the flipping off they would have listed the reason for his suspension as using obscene gestures or the like. No they say that the action had an immediate and dramatic impact of the team and the community. So your telling me flipping the bird is an immediate and dramatic impact to an entire team but also a whole community. Thats BS. The only thing that impacted the team was the goal against himself. Now shooting the puck in your own net, while very stupid, is in no ways against the rules of hockey. Show me a rule where it says he cant? So if he does something in the game that is not against the rules of said game how can he then be disciplined for that action? That is the injustice.
You keep saying "you're telling me" as if I've actually said those things. I haven't.
If you really need me to explain to you why a high school hockey player putting the puck in his own net and flipping off his coaches during a game is something that should be punished by the school, then this really is a pointless conversation.
Based on a whopping total of 9 NHL games in his entire career (only 8 of which are starts), you're ready to declare Fasth superior to Jimmy?
And if you don't know "the Sens guy's" name, I'm guessing you haven't seen him play that much. Not to mention he's only had two seasons in his 10 year career where he's actually played more than 33 games. Only one year in colorado and one in Ottawa did he have a starting goaltender workload.
You sure you weren't just cherrypicking down the SV % column?
Dude it's almost 11:30 now. Not one mod has got on in over 5 hours? I mean yeah i can see 6am being a lil early for some. But it's now going on noon and the guy is STILL posting new spam threads. Sorry but that's a lil ridiculous. Especially considering how quick they are to ban for sometimes very small infractions
Had you bothered to hit the report button instead of just complaining here, a mod might have gotten to it sooner.
Because what I find a little ridiculous is complaining about one spam attack on a website that is kept in tip top shape by Matt and generally runs without a hitch. Which is no small feat.
Sorry you were temporarily inconvenienced on this free (and awesome) discussion forum. I'm going to go get coffee and breakfast now.
Sounds like White, Kindl and Flip are in Babs doghouse.
“Two freebies,'' Babcock said. “Kuba (Jakub Kindl) is not in the right spot, should be over here helping out. (Niklas) Kronwall's pass to Fil (Valtteri Filppula) is off his stick, Kuba's not back defensively to look after it. “Whitey's (Ian White) got it along the wall on a line change, just gives it away, two-on-one. That's the game. “So, we do everything for 40 minutes to be set up to win and two plays with the puck … We're not the type of team, with what we have, that we're going to recover from turning the puck over. People can say you're bad defensively, well, we weren't bad defensively, there's no defense for turnovers. It's puck plays that give it to us two nights in a row.
--Coach Mike Babcock said he hadn't decided on his lines, but he used Valtteri Filppula with Henrik Zetterberg and Damien Brunner. He's not happy with Filppula's play and basically said he needs to get it together.[/size]
1. Jim Nill, Detroit Red Wings:
Now in his 15th season as assistant GM in Detroit, he's been GM
material for a long time. And it just so happens that his contract will
soon begin to present itself with annual six-week "out windows" when he
can entertain GM offers from other teams, a source told ESPN.com. The
first window comes this summer. With five Stanley Cup rings and a long
list of late-draft gems on his resume, Nill is a top-notch candidate in
waiting. It would have to be the right fit for him to leave Detroit,
where he's happy and loyal to the Illitch family, but it's a
possibility. You can't go wrong if you name Nill as your GM. He'd be a
Obviously it's only Lebrun's opinion but the part about his contract is what makes it sound like there's a legitimate chance Jim Nill could be moving on. He's been a big and often overlooked part of the Red Wings success.
With Nil also being a big part of prospect development for the Wings, I have to wonder if Holland's "overly ripe" philosophy was frustrating.
yep, but back then in 2008 Tootoo was IMHO worse player than he is now. back then he was more about dirty tricks and being pure pest and I myself didn't like the idea of him on the Wings team.
he made progress later in his career and as of 2012 I liked the idea of Wings shopping for him. his performance in 2012 playoffs was very convincing to me. not just dirtbag and pest but also a player with tremendous energy and a true inspiration to give their best for other players. he was IMHO Nashville's top player in that round. this Tootoo, I gladly welcome. not the 2008 version.
Pronger, Lemieux - I don't think there ever was discussion about their skills. that's pretty different than Tootoo here..
Are you sure you're thinking of the 2012 playoffs? Tootoo only played three games. the rest of the time he was a healthy scratch.
My opinion is more or less the same. Good on him for no cheapshots so far this year. And it's nice to have a guy who drops the gloves. Though it's mostly been staged fights, which doesn't mean a lot to me.
I still think he's a defensive liability and at $1.9 mill he's overpaid for his 8 minutes a night. If he earns more ice time, keeps hitting guys without cheapshots, and sticks up for his teammates, I could come around on him.
Doesn't matter, all of you who are arguing about intention or not. If a player unintentionally trips another player, does he get a 2 mins penalty? If a player unintentionally draws blood when he slashed another player in the face, does he get a 4 mins? If a player unintentionally sends a puck over the ice, does he get a 2 mins penalty? Intentionality is secondary. He was reckless with his skate and caused an injury. At least 3 games.
For those examples intent doesn't matter because they are against the rules.
Loathe as I am to defend Cooke, he violated no rule in his hit on Karlsson. It'd be one thing if he came in skates up pointed at someone but he was hardly reckless with his skate. It was a hockey play with an unfortunate outcome.
For as fast paced and crazy as the game is, there are very few injuries due to skate blades. It's kind of amazing actually. But they're going to happen from time to time. This was unfortunately a dirtbag player unintentionally injuring a young star player.
If Datsyuk or Marty St. Louis had accidentally done it to Karlsson, I doubt people would be arguing so much about it.
My guess is Sammy was brought in to be a depth forward who can chip in 10-15 goals per year and can play the point on the PP. How is it that this deal is already doomed to be a failure when he has only played one game?
Every GM on every team in every sport has made what looks to be bad moves. Its the nature of the business. I think the Red Wings' success speaks for itself. Deals that look like no brainers can be utter failures and deals that look totally ridiculous can turn out to look absolutely brilliant.
I mean really, who thought trading for Jimmy Carson would be a bad move? We rid ourselves of underacheiver Joe Murphy, aging malcontent Petr Klima and some nice kid, but destined to be career 4th liner Adam Graves. We got a hometown kid who was a proven 50 goal scorer and still very young. The Wings looked set for years to come.Well, we all know how that turned out. It's soooo easy to make trades and moves on paper.
The two Adam trades were probably the most painful in all my years of watching the Wings. Graves and Oates.