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#2322497 Doan staying in PHX 4 yrs $21.2 mill

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 27 July 2012 - 01:25 PM

MLive reports Wings are out of the running for Doan. Get this: other teams offered more than the Wings were willing to go.

Holland was willing to offer 3 years 4.5-5 million. One Eastern team offered what looks like 7.5 million for 4 years. What the hell is wrong with GMs this year? I'd give him 7.5 for one year, but not for 4.

I'm glad we're not getting Doan. Great player but only helps the team for a few years. And I'd rather the Wings start looking for some longer term solutions considering Dats, Z and Mule are all in their early 30s.

As for GM's being bats*** crazy with UFAs, honestly I feel like we say that every offseason. The league is so competitive these days that if they want to sign a big name player as a free agent, I think they have to throw big money at them when they're available. And there's always a few teams with enough cap room to drive up market prices into the overpaid arena. They just hope that after the first couple seasons of overpayment it tilts in their favor.

I also have to wonder if GM's are throwing this money around and mentally knocking 10% of the price in a salary rollback they're planning on.

#2322461 Dale Weise Re-signs with Vancouver

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 27 July 2012 - 11:54 AM

4th liner. Typical Vancouver Canuck. Runs around, but when push comes to shove, runs away from the battle. Pulled off the most shameful move I've seen in the NHL in a while last year. Goaded Thornton into a fight, then just skated away like he had no clue why Thornton dropped his gloves.

I'd still put Burrows hair pulling and finger biting above that. Quite a collection of players on the Nucks these days though.

#2322460 Doan staying in PHX 4 yrs $21.2 mill

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 27 July 2012 - 11:52 AM

Did LA have a legitament chance at the Cup this year? Almost everybody that knows anything about hockey would say no. They had the lowest scoring team in the league and barely squeaked into the playoffs as a #8 seed.

At the beginning of the season plenty of people had the Kings in the playoff, winning their division, and some had them making it to the conference and even Cup finals. They were a team that underachieved all season, but aren't really comparable to where the Wings are at.

All of this doom and gloom stuff is stupid. There are 7 teams in the west that will not make the playoffs. Most likely they are:

Phoenix (maybe)
Nashville (maybe)

For us to NOT make the playoffs, we have to be worse than 2 of these teams. I just don't see it

Looking at it that way it does make me feel better about our chances.

Though last season LA got the 8th seed with 95 points. The Wings finished the season with 102 points. If the conference is as tight again this year, it's scary to think how few games make the difference between getting into the playoffs and not.

It's why I get annoyed when the Wings would drop a game to a team they should beat, like the Islanders. Yes it's only one game in the middle of the season, but come the end of the year those points make a huge difference.

#2322282 Semin signs one year, $7m deal with Carolina

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 26 July 2012 - 06:45 PM

Maybe Harold meant that a change of scenery, and an attitude adjustment by playing in Detroit alongside a fellow Russian with a great attitude, solid work ethic, and a plethora of talent would get the most outta Semin,,,Instead of a 60 to 70 pts guy - Semin becomes a 85 plus pts guy in the Motor City?


Of course it could go bad. But no one is even interested or excited at the possibility of Semin on Datsyuk's wing?

I wasn't dying for Semin to be a Wing, I'm just a little surprised Holland wasn't even interested. Like I said, I'm hoping it's because he still has a trick or two up his sleeve.

#2322274 Semin signs one year, $7m deal with Carolina

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 26 July 2012 - 06:23 PM

The very simple fact is that $7m was just given to a fellow who has scored in the mid-50s in the past two seasons, had four points in 14 games last postseason, and has a history of laziness and poor attitude.

He scored 2 points less than Mule, who was paid $5.25 million this year on an 11 year contract. Also Franzen has 4 points in his last 13 playoff games.

I'm sure Semin's reputation is what made it a one year deal, but it's not surprising he got that amount as a UFA.

He's also scored 79 and 84 points in his career, and potted 40 goals. When people are signing him for a year they're hoping to get more of that guy and less of the one from last season. With what's been going on with the Capitals, you have to think not all of it was Semin.

#2322270 Semin signs one year, $7m deal with Carolina

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 26 July 2012 - 06:16 PM

How on earth is it that he could be a reclamation project? Holland's reclamation projects are the likes of Cleary and Samuelsson: guys with talent whose careers have reached a nadir and who are effectively below the radar. Semin absolutely does not fit into this category.

Other than the part about being effectively below the radar, how does Semin not fit that category?

He's a guy with a ton of talent who's career has basically reached it's low point, relatively speaking. He's being trashed in the media and has a questionable reputation in terms of his work ethic.

A one year deal gives him everything to prove. Either he busts his ass and earns a good contract next year, or he does more of the same, his star continues to fall and he either runs to the KHL or accepts an even smaller contract. If he joined the Wings for a year and turned it around, then they have the chance to sign him for more years.

It's not that unlike what Holland has done with Cleary, Bert and Sammy. It's just a star player version of it.

#2322229 Semin signs one year, $7m deal with Carolina

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 26 July 2012 - 04:10 PM

But at least the money wouldn't be wasted on a player that hasn't proved himself to be a good teammate. and would fill the need of a top pairing defenseman.

Like I said, I wasn't referring to the players really.

Though even considering that in context of the cap, if for some reason they were to rachet it down without allowing rollbacks or buyouts, the Suter deal would still have had much greater implications. Semin would be a lousy deal for a year. Suter's could've crippled the team for over a decade, yet Holland was willing to get involved.

So I don't think his avoiding Semin had to do with the CBA negotiations is my point.

#2322222 Semin signs one year, $7m deal with Carolina

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 26 July 2012 - 03:56 PM

To be honest I think it has a lot to do with the cap uncertainty at this point. Holland doesn't want to swallow a poison pill contract just yet.

But the Suter deal could've been exactly that, and Holland made the offer.

A one year deal for Semin is among the lower risk contracts you could get.

Like I said, I'm just surprised and a little confused Holland wasn't even interested. Just seeing what Semin could do with Datsyuk and on the PP seems like enough incentive to at least kick the tires a little.

If he stinks it up, then it's money lost and some cap room that right now looks like it's not getting used anyway. Unless Holland's still got a trick up his sleeve.

#2322208 Semin signs one year, $7m deal with Carolina

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 26 July 2012 - 03:22 PM

That lazy unmotivated Franzen made 3 million less and had more production than Semin.

Franzen had 2 more points than Semin in the same number of games.

$3 million less? Are you comparing Franzen's cap hit on his 11 year deal to Semin's on a 1 year deal? Not exactly apples to apples. Franzen was paid $5.25 mill last season. Semin was paid $6.7 mill

#2322192 Semin signs one year, $7m deal with Carolina

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 26 July 2012 - 03:08 PM

No just guessing based on knowing how marketing works and how PR works. You use every avenue to increase the value of the player, and to me it looks like that's what they did based on your comment.

You also have to think getting Semin away from Ovechkin and the young team might help them and putting Semin with Datsyuk for a full year might just hurt the Wings chemistry in the locker room

Of course.

Because Holland didn't sign him, naturally the only reasonable assumption is that it would have a negative impact on the Wings. :rolleyes:

If he had signed him, I'm sure people would be lining up to say how Semin could turn it around here because of all the leadership in Detroit.

#2322186 Semin signs one year, $7m deal with Carolina

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 26 July 2012 - 03:00 PM

that sucks. signing semin would have given us a little push in the offense for sure, even if he has a lack of heart. he is a natural scorer and he will score some for the hurricanes. maybe ken is going to risky on signing doan.

I'd take Semin for a year over Doan.

Doan is a great player and a warrior, but the guy's 35. His help to this team is limited, especially given how he plays. A 28 year old Semin on a one year deal, you hope he turns it around and then the Wings can lock him up for a handful of years next season.

Probably, the headache Semin might be would outweigh what his goal scoring prowess might be. Washington had enough of him, and it seems Holland wasn't sold on Semin being a Stanley Cup caliber piece.

I believe Holland has to build a Stanley Cup team, not a playoff team. And I really don't think Semin is going to be able to play that #1 winger role on a Stanley Cup team.

Sounds more like a PR move to try and raise Semin's non existent offers.

So hypothetical situations you couldn't possibly know are true are ok when used to dismiss a signing?

I'd have to think getting Semin away from Ovechkin and around a player like Dats could only help.

#2322174 Holland losing his moxie? Is Detroit slipping as UFA destination?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 26 July 2012 - 02:50 PM

They are both speculation, but at least we know the player traded was a greater possibility. Seems more plausible that the Wings could have signed Erhoff rather than Chara right?

And when the Wings lose I can usually understand what happened, I see if there was a missed assignment on a goal, I look and see if there was a bad penalty, I see if our special teams was an issue, I'll consider many different situations that make up the hockey game. The one thing in common is I know exactly what plays happened, and who was responsible. I'm not speculating on something I'm not sure would of happened, I'm focusing on the events in game that did. Which in your analogy would be focusing on the player moves in the past seasons to see what we know happened, not speculating on the players that didn't get moved.

I'm beating this to death, so I'll just say this.

The way you and Crymson have constructed the argument, there is no possible answer anyone can give you that will satisfy you. So why have the discussion other than to get to shut people down and try to stop them from criticizing Holland?

Let's play this game. We'll go through every loss the Wings had last season. You guys tell me what they should have done differently to win, then I'll let you know if they would've won or not.

Get ready for one of these two answers:

1) That wouldn't have been enough because of (some hypothetical reasons I'll make up on the fly).
2) We'll never know because that's not what they did. It could've made them lose even worse.

#2322167 Semin signs one year, $7m deal with Carolina

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 26 July 2012 - 02:44 PM

I simply have to disagree with the "no risk" assessment of signing Semin to a one-year deal. No risk after this season, but plenty of risk for this season!

Certainly not no risk. But for one year, the Wings having cap space, and few options out there, it would've been lower risk than I expected.

I seem to remember Holland saying from the get go he wasn't interested in Semin though. I thought maybe that was a poker face, but I guess not.

As I said before, Semin seemed like a good candidate for another Holland reclamation project.

#2322161 Semin signs one year, $7m deal with Carolina

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 26 July 2012 - 02:42 PM

7 bills? Glad he's not coming. It was just like a, let's pull the trigger on this guy because we can, not because we have to.

Ride that cap space Kenny, we'll get something done!

We definitely didn't have to. It would've been fun to see what he'd do with Dats though.

Of course, there's also the risk that the Wings would've added another extremely talented player with a questionable work ethic. For one year though, that's not a huge risk.

Not heartbreaking, but the one-year deal would've made it more attractive. I figured Semin would be looking for longer term headed into the CBA. And with a one year deal, you'd have to think he's more likely to bust his ass to prove his doubters wrong and get the big payday next year.

#2322143 Semin signs one year, $7m deal with Carolina

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 26 July 2012 - 02:21 PM

I didn't really have any strong opinion on Semin coming here. It seemed interesting, but risky.

It's one more option gone though.