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#2349232 Kindl's future...

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 30 January 2013 - 02:59 PM

E is inept? C'mon that doesn't feel just a little like stubborn old memories refusing to go away? He's been great the last half of last season and he's continued right where he left off this season. His passing is crisp, his play in his own end has been very good. One aspect I can but somehow also can't believe we're overlooking is his ability to get out of the corners quickly, or move pucks behind the net in those areas under pressure. I've seen him just flick pucks to open guys very quickly under a ton of pressure. I haven't seen anyone do that since Nick and Raf, not even Nik. That is a huge aspect of defense, just shrugging off the forecheck like that. He does it so well and it's one of the biggest reasons why we don't notice him in his own end. And that's a good thing.

 

As for Kindl's future, I just don't think he meshes well here. He's average with brief flashes of something more but it's fleeting. Those flashes give his fans something to cling to and I think we've been very patient but I can't foresee him sticking around. I know Huskins isn't the best offensively but he can move the puck adequately enough to replace Kindl I think considering his defensive play more than makes up. I'm not exactly tapping my fingers impatiently waiting for points with bottom 6 defenders, I'd rather they just grind out and shut down opponents and don't make mistakes. Kindl is a decent top 4 defenseman on another team who doesn't fit into the 3rd pairing role here. It's sad but that's the reality of it. I keep getting this gut feeling his mistakes are all mental because he's trying to play into the top 4 and screws up because of it but regardless we can't wait around forever. This team is always more patient than the forums are but I think he'll be gone eventually in some sort of deal.

It is pretty funny.  People seem to bash E out of habit.  He's been solid so far this season, and was much of last season. 

 

He's never going to be a top pairing guy, but he's a big, good stay at home guy, who has the ability to make a great first pass (which a lot of stay at home guys don't necessarily have).




#2349230 TooToo - the lovable little Tasmanian Devil

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 30 January 2013 - 02:56 PM

IIRC, McCarty and Lemieux had a staged fight once, maybe around 98/99 (not the "turtling" fight, but still in the midst of the bad blood between the Wings and the Avs).  In that instance, I was completely ok with a staged fight.  But that's the exception, not the rule...

Agreed.  Because in that case there was already a lot of bad blood and scores to settle.  If it's from some prior incident earlier in the season that's totally fine.  

 

I'm guessing it was this one?   If memory serves that was Lemieux basically trying to redeem himself after turtling in the infamous brawl. 

 

(courtesy of hockeyfights and youtube)

 




#2349214 TooToo - the lovable little Tasmanian Devil

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 30 January 2013 - 02:10 PM

I still think starting fights like this at the start of the game without any reason is just ridiculous. Yes hockey is a physical sport but I want to see emotions, not such artificial crap. Completely surreal, maybe fun to watch once when it was unexpected but over and over again is annoying. Come on, give it up and do those hits during the game.

In general I agree, though for me that's overshadowed by having someone on the Wings that will actually drop the gloves. 

 

But yeah, staged fights, especially on the opening faceoff are kind of lame. 




#2348998 OHL vs. College Hockey Quality?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 29 January 2013 - 11:48 PM

Can one of the mods ban him? :D

 

Not really.  What he's saying isn't against forum rules.  Your last couple posts however, have been (I deleted one). 

 

You guys can disagree without the insults. 




#2348938 1/29 GDT : Stars 1 at Red Wings 4

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 29 January 2013 - 10:27 PM

Not sure if this has been posted yet but here's Tootoo's first fight.  I hadn't seen it because I only caught the third period. 

 

What's with the refs jumping in so fast??

 

 

And his second fight.

 

 

 

So far he's squaring up when he fights, bringing energy, hitting guys, no cheap stuff...   I'm coming around on Tootoo.




#2348469 Kindl's future...

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 29 January 2013 - 03:13 PM

I agree in principle, but I disagree that tonight should be make or break.  You can't expect a guy to play well when he's up for a game, down for two or three, up one, down again.  What does every hockey player in the world say when they return from a summer off, or a long injury?  "It will take a while to get my timing back, and get into game shape".  Timing matters a ton in hockey, and so bringing a guy in, putting him with a new partner, and then letting him sit for a few games does nothing to help improve that timing.  Kindl needs to prove something this season, but I think it's only fair to give him about three games in a row to make sure that he's comfortable out there.  s***, if we can give Quincey 5 games, I don't think there's any reason not to give Kindl 3.

I think it should be make or break.  

 

This isn't Kindl's first shot at the roster.  He played 55 games last season and 48 the season before that, and was a regular in the lineup for long stretches.  

 

While I agree they should give him a crack at several games in a row, if after that he still can't hold on to even a #6 spot as a 26 year old in his third season, when will he? 

 

EDIT:  Just saw you said TONIGHT was make or break.  Definitely agree he should get more than one game.  This season will be make or break, not just one game. 




#2348440 Kindl's future...

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 29 January 2013 - 02:24 PM

I don't get it.  Lashoff is playing good and he gets sent down.  Quincey plays atrocious and gets to start every night. 

While I don't disagree from what I've seen of Quincey's play, it sounds like Babcock is really pushing to get the PP going, so Kindl and Quincey over Lashoff.  



Kindl should be given a full season and consistent spot now.

Quincey wont be sent down or scratched with a 3.5 million contract. No way.

Why should he be given anything?  

 

Kindl has had a lot of chances to earn a permanent roster spot, like last season when he couldn't even hold one over Commie. 




#2348046 1/27 Red Wings 1 @ Chicago Blackhawks 2 (OT)

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 28 January 2013 - 01:00 AM

Franzen rolled around on the ice like a baby for a while again, and when he realized it didn't end up giving the hawks a penalty he got up and skated away, so the only thing that was hurt was wings fans pride (franzen has no self respect)

 

If the Wings ever do trade Franzen, he'd fit in well with the Nucks.

 

Speaking of which, did anyone see the highlights from the Sharks Nucks game?  Jannik Hansen shoves the ref from behind before they even drop the puck to start the game.  I have no idea what was going on at the start of the game. 




#2347801 1/27 Red Wings 1 @ Chicago Blackhawks 2 (OT)

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 27 January 2013 - 09:18 PM

wtf was that call??  Playing hockey?  




#2347725 PK Subban

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 27 January 2013 - 08:53 PM

Has Detroit ever had a black player?

How quickly people forget Lilja.   :P

 

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#2347309 Brad Stuart destroys Gabriel Landeskog

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 27 January 2013 - 12:11 AM

Honestly, I have no problem with fights after clean hits.  I understand why someone wouldn't want their star players getting hit with big hits, whether it was legal or not.  If someone nailed Datsyuk with a clean hit, I'd want someone to step in and make others think twice about doing that.  

 

As long as fighting is legal, so is fighting from clean hits.  Then again, I also want the instigator removed, so I can see how you'd be even more upset if that were done.

 

Oh, and I forgot what a terrible fighter Stuart is.

huh?  I want the instigator penalty removed.  I like fighting in hockey.

 

But I've been watching long enough to remember a time when guys took a number after a hard hit to get the guy later in the game.  They knew it was part of the game and they're all big boys.  People act like somehow mugging guys after they hit someone is a tough code, but it's the opposite.  Like the guy getting hit is a delicate flowers who can't handle hockey so their teammates have to suckerpunch the guy who hit them. 

 

Part of the idea of hitting is to separate the guy from the puck to gain an advantage.  Even if you knock a guy silly and he's stunned for a minute, that's an advantage.  The muggings that go on after clean hits stop the game and erase that advantage. 

 

Stevie was protected by Probert and Kocur, but even they would get guys later in the game.  It was rare they'd jump someone right at that moment for running Yzerman.  Then again, Yzerman had his head up enough to avoid a lot of the big hits. 

 

 

 And fighting isn't legal.  It's why you get a penalty for it. 




#2345526 "Like" Limit?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 23 January 2013 - 03:55 PM

If memory serves Matt set a limit on it because there was a small group of people who kept liking each others posts in a thread so their ratings would get up in the multiple thousands.




#2345411 Tomas Holmstrom Retires

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 23 January 2013 - 11:32 AM

Homer retired.  Then O'Halloran waved it off.




#2344803 Red Wings sign D Kent Huskins to 1-year, $750k contract

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 22 January 2013 - 07:35 PM

You're using Holland's success against him. Making successful transitions in the past doesn't mean that those transitions are so easy that we should always be successful at them.
 
We've lost three top-4 defensemen in two years. In that time, there has been ONE top-pair defenseman to hit UFA, and only a few other UFAs or affordable trades that are any better than what we have, and I'm not sure that any of them are so much better that it would really make any difference.
 
Let's see the list of GMs that have gone through something like that without a hitch. It's so easy there must be dozens. Just give me 5 off the top of your head...  
You make it sound as if Holland had no idea these defensemen were leaving until they were emptying their locker.

I'm not saying it should all go without a hitch but look at our defensive corps. Holland had lead time on 2 of the 3. Anyone with half a brain could've figured there's a good chance Lids would retire around 40. And Holland even got to talk to him so I bet he had a pretty good guess as to when Lids would hang them up. Same with Stuart. That situation was known to all of us here. And it wouldn't surprise me if Rafalski gave him some indication as well.

Holland should've been considering the defense in a post Lidstrom era years ago.

It just reinforces my belief that Holland is a good tinkerer and has succeeded by making tweaks to the team and system he inherited, but as the quality of his replacements continued dropping the system has become less and less effective. Yet there doesn't seem to be any new system or thinking with the type of players he brings in. It just felt like more patchwork to the same old system in spite of so many lesser replacement parts.


#2344299 New Defenseman: Guess who?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 22 January 2013 - 10:55 AM

Watch it be Doug Janik.