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#2351412 Mike Ilitch's Apearance

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 05 February 2013 - 04:38 PM

I agree, many of the things that Illitch has done have benefited the city.  He pursued projects which made him rich AND which tangentially helped the city.  I never followed the logic that you have to show some sort of reverence to Illitch because he's done so much for Detroit, and by "done so much" we mean "built himself a casino".  I'm glad he doesn't mind spending money on his sports teams, I love watching them win.  But he's as susceptible to ribbing as anyone else and perhaps more so, when he does things like announce a new arena with all it's fanfare, buy up all the property around the new arena which will skyrocket in value after the arena is built, and then ask the public to pay for the arena.  What a charitable soul!


While of course he's done things that benefitted him financially (he is a successful businessman after all), he's also made business decisions that benefitted Detroit when he could've gone elsewhere. 


I wasn't saying the guy is a saint.  My main point is I think it's a little childish to slander someone as senile and drunk, particularly on a website called "LetsGoWings" when he's a large part of the reason there's something to root for with the franchise.

#2351351 Canucks to wear "Millionaires" jersey vs Detroit 3/16

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 05 February 2013 - 02:08 PM

Just a little tidbit of history, The Vancouver Millionaires won the Stanley Cup in 1915. The Pacific Coast Hockey Association (PCHA) champion Vancouver Millionaires swept the National Hockey Association (NHA) champion Ottawa Senators 3 games to 0 in a best-of-five game series.


I guess this is how Vancouver figures they can say the've won a Cup?


For the press photos to be more realistic Kesler should've been laying on the ground with his arms up whining to a ref.

#2351350 Mike Ilitch's Apearance

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 05 February 2013 - 02:03 PM

Presumably by "what he's done for the city of Detroit" you mean not paying any taxes, rents, etc. while at the same time asking actual taxpayers to heavily subsidize his "redevelopment projects"?  If so, then yes, he's done a lot for the city of Detroit haha. 


But yes, he has spent a lot of money to make the Tigers a contender thank God.  I wouldn't know what to do if I couldn't go straight from watching the Wings dominate to watching the Tigers do the same. 

I know there's some dispute about taxes he owes and whatnot, but that doesn't erase the good that he's done for the city.  Of course he wants to make money off it but he's carved out an area of Detroit people can go to sporting events, concerts, eat, drink, etc.  And dealing with the city of Detroit and the city council in particular cannot be an enjoyable or easy task. 


Point being, Ilitch has done a lot of good for Detroit and certainly deserves praise for buying the Dead Things and restoring the Wings to their former glory.  It's one thing to poke fun at that awful rug on his head, but implying he's some senile drunk is pretty classless.

#2351348 2/5 GDT : Flames 4 at Red Wings 1

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 05 February 2013 - 01:57 PM

I have said this for years and have said it over and over....he has been given ample opportunity to crack the top 6 D...he can't even do it with all these injuries, he will never do it.  I know I am not the only one to dislike him, but I have said since day one he was a waste of a draft pick. Could have had made a much  better draft pick. Even though a draft is a gamble, but nobody understood why Kindl was taken so high, except that they figured Holland was being Holland and found a diamond...Sorry, but Holland screwed the pooch with Kindl....bye bye Jakub, wish I could say it was nice to know you!

Honestly I didn't know much about Kindl when he was drafted, but I definitely got excited for a puck moving defenseman who is 6'3" 216 lbs and drafted that highly.  I've been pretty hard on him because he shows flashes of getting it together and then fades to the background once again.


As a 26 yr old with as many chances as he's had, I don't hold out much hope.  

#2351268 Stats Thus Far for Suter and Weber

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 05 February 2013 - 10:30 AM

I understand what you're saying and it makes sense, but I don't think it's premature to pass any judgements, it's just premature to form conclusions.  It's not unrealistic to expect "elite" players to play like it when they move from one set of line mates to another, or one system to another.  Maybe a slight slump is anticipated, but certainly there's every expectation that a star will continue to be a star once he's been moved.  It's not unreasonable to expect Suter to play like a number one defender if that's what he really is, and for any noticeable lapses in defense to come from the half assed d-corps they put around him.  That would be fair.  But he hasn't looked that good, on his own merit, thus far.  Certainly not like the elite top partner guy he's getting paid to be. 


Don't get me wrong, based on what little I've seen and heard of Suter's performance to date, I certainly wouldn't be happy with his play so far given his paycheck. 


But the OP was drawing conclusions about how tied to one another Suter and Weber's success was.  It could ultimately be true, but given all the variables involved, 8 games is a ridiculously small sample to draw any reasonable conclusions about that.  Especially when we're coming off a lockout into a shortened season with no real training camp. 

#2351063 NHL rescinds match penalty to Blues' Backes

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 04 February 2013 - 01:40 PM

I believe the ref was sure, which is why he didn't confer with the other refs on the call. That doesn't mean he was right though




Backes has hit guys like this before.  His hits like this are lateral, blindside, and sometimes push the boundaries of being late.  That's a lot of the criteria for hits the league is trying to crack down on.   All he has to do is graze a guy's chin and they're going to toss him from the game and suspend him.  


With the way Huskins head snapped the ref jumped the gun.  Bad call, but I'm hardly surprised given the caliber of officiating the last few seasons.  

#2350448 2/1 GDT : Blues 3 at Red Wings 5 (Z with Hat Trick)

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 02 February 2013 - 04:13 PM

From NHL:



Best. Officials. Ever.


What's sad is in the Philly game Erskine threw an elbow that almost KO'd Simmonds.  No call on the play.  


People will always complain about officiating, but having watched hockey a lot of years, the quality of reffing really seems to have deteriorated in the last few.  



Terrible call by the refs against St. Louis,  but Backes is a prick so it's hard to feel that bad. 

#2350289 2/1 GDT : Blues 3 at Red Wings 5 (Z with Hat Trick)

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 02 February 2013 - 12:09 AM

Am I the only one who thought Dats goal went in off Mule's leg?


Bad call on the Backes hit. Great to see Z in beast mode, and yes, Ericsson has a good first pass.

#2349247 Zetterberg's Great But...

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 30 January 2013 - 03:57 PM

Over his career several people have made reference to how deep Zetterberg's tank is.  The guy's a horse.  So he ends up getting a minute or two more ice time.  


Trying to extrapolate that into some meaningful qualitative difference between the two is a stretch.  

#2349232 Kindl's future...

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 30 January 2013 - 02:59 PM

E is inept? C'mon that doesn't feel just a little like stubborn old memories refusing to go away? He's been great the last half of last season and he's continued right where he left off this season. His passing is crisp, his play in his own end has been very good. One aspect I can but somehow also can't believe we're overlooking is his ability to get out of the corners quickly, or move pucks behind the net in those areas under pressure. I've seen him just flick pucks to open guys very quickly under a ton of pressure. I haven't seen anyone do that since Nick and Raf, not even Nik. That is a huge aspect of defense, just shrugging off the forecheck like that. He does it so well and it's one of the biggest reasons why we don't notice him in his own end. And that's a good thing.


As for Kindl's future, I just don't think he meshes well here. He's average with brief flashes of something more but it's fleeting. Those flashes give his fans something to cling to and I think we've been very patient but I can't foresee him sticking around. I know Huskins isn't the best offensively but he can move the puck adequately enough to replace Kindl I think considering his defensive play more than makes up. I'm not exactly tapping my fingers impatiently waiting for points with bottom 6 defenders, I'd rather they just grind out and shut down opponents and don't make mistakes. Kindl is a decent top 4 defenseman on another team who doesn't fit into the 3rd pairing role here. It's sad but that's the reality of it. I keep getting this gut feeling his mistakes are all mental because he's trying to play into the top 4 and screws up because of it but regardless we can't wait around forever. This team is always more patient than the forums are but I think he'll be gone eventually in some sort of deal.

It is pretty funny.  People seem to bash E out of habit.  He's been solid so far this season, and was much of last season. 


He's never going to be a top pairing guy, but he's a big, good stay at home guy, who has the ability to make a great first pass (which a lot of stay at home guys don't necessarily have).

#2349230 TooToo - the lovable little Tasmanian Devil

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 30 January 2013 - 02:56 PM

IIRC, McCarty and Lemieux had a staged fight once, maybe around 98/99 (not the "turtling" fight, but still in the midst of the bad blood between the Wings and the Avs).  In that instance, I was completely ok with a staged fight.  But that's the exception, not the rule...

Agreed.  Because in that case there was already a lot of bad blood and scores to settle.  If it's from some prior incident earlier in the season that's totally fine.  


I'm guessing it was this one?   If memory serves that was Lemieux basically trying to redeem himself after turtling in the infamous brawl. 


(courtesy of hockeyfights and youtube)


#2349214 TooToo - the lovable little Tasmanian Devil

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 30 January 2013 - 02:10 PM

I still think starting fights like this at the start of the game without any reason is just ridiculous. Yes hockey is a physical sport but I want to see emotions, not such artificial crap. Completely surreal, maybe fun to watch once when it was unexpected but over and over again is annoying. Come on, give it up and do those hits during the game.

In general I agree, though for me that's overshadowed by having someone on the Wings that will actually drop the gloves. 


But yeah, staged fights, especially on the opening faceoff are kind of lame. 

#2348998 OHL vs. College Hockey Quality?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 29 January 2013 - 11:48 PM

Can one of the mods ban him? :D


Not really.  What he's saying isn't against forum rules.  Your last couple posts however, have been (I deleted one). 


You guys can disagree without the insults. 

#2348938 1/29 GDT : Stars 1 at Red Wings 4

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 29 January 2013 - 10:27 PM

Not sure if this has been posted yet but here's Tootoo's first fight.  I hadn't seen it because I only caught the third period. 


What's with the refs jumping in so fast??



And his second fight.




So far he's squaring up when he fights, bringing energy, hitting guys, no cheap stuff...   I'm coming around on Tootoo.

#2348469 Kindl's future...

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 29 January 2013 - 03:13 PM

I agree in principle, but I disagree that tonight should be make or break.  You can't expect a guy to play well when he's up for a game, down for two or three, up one, down again.  What does every hockey player in the world say when they return from a summer off, or a long injury?  "It will take a while to get my timing back, and get into game shape".  Timing matters a ton in hockey, and so bringing a guy in, putting him with a new partner, and then letting him sit for a few games does nothing to help improve that timing.  Kindl needs to prove something this season, but I think it's only fair to give him about three games in a row to make sure that he's comfortable out there.  s***, if we can give Quincey 5 games, I don't think there's any reason not to give Kindl 3.

I think it should be make or break.  


This isn't Kindl's first shot at the roster.  He played 55 games last season and 48 the season before that, and was a regular in the lineup for long stretches.  


While I agree they should give him a crack at several games in a row, if after that he still can't hold on to even a #6 spot as a 26 year old in his third season, when will he? 


EDIT:  Just saw you said TONIGHT was make or break.  Definitely agree he should get more than one game.  This season will be make or break, not just one game.