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#2322080 Holland losing his moxie? Is Detroit slipping as UFA destination?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 26 July 2012 - 11:10 AM

That's why it's ludicrous to criticize Holland on a situation that "you" don't know existed. The burden of proof is on you guys who are saying he should have done something, and yet you can't come up with a reasonable player that would fix the problem. How do you hold someone accountable for messing up a situation that never existed? Rational people have evidence that they argue for, I'm not shooting down anything, if you think Carle, Erhoff, Burns etc. are legitimate top pairing defneseman and would fit into the Red Wings system and are worth commiting long term to, that's your opinion, they are good hockey players, I don't necessarily agree that they would be good fits, but at least you bring up reasonable situations that we "know" Holland could have done and can discuss how the moves would have put the Red Wings in a better place right now and in the future.

Arguing what-if's of trades that actually happened is bad enough, arguing non-existant what-ifs trades is an even larger assumption that I personally don't see the rational logic behind.

Fact is we don't know what Holland could have done, but I'd rather focus on the trades and players we know have moved teams, and know without doubt Holland could have landed, rather then making up trade scenarios that might have never been a possibility. If that's too much to ask, then I guess I'll let people bash Holland for not trading for Chara, Karlsson, Doughty etc. I know I'd rather talk about situations that actually happened, and see if there are lessons to be learned in the past, rather then making up our own history and debate about things that we aren't sure were ever a possibility.

Then why did you ask people to do exactly that, to make up trades that were hypothetical and could never know for sure that they could've happened?

And how could we possibly know without a doubt the players Holland could have landed, unless he actually successfully brought them here?

Holland is among if not the best GM in the league. I'm not unhappy because I think he's crappy at his job. I'm unhappy because I expect more of him. And I'm not talking about not getting Suter or Nash. He basically painted himself into a corner this offseason and is looking very un-Holland like having to chase after all these big free agents. Lidstrom's retirement was a known event. Stuart going back to California was a known event. I would've hoped he'd have a better transition plan. And I can think that without having to prove to you beyond a shadow of a doubt what that transition plan could've been. Because no matter what I say, it didn't happen, so it's pretty easy for you to shoot down.

You say the burden of proof is on us, but then in the same post you also say you don't see the logic behind arguing hypothetical trades either? So what is it you expect, other than for people not to complain?

Your argument is essentially trying to quell criticism and debate here, which is the problem I have with it. I don't agree with a lot of the Holland bashing here, but we're not in a court of law we're on a fan forum. People are allowed to express their opinions, even without irrefutable evidence.


#2321698 Predators match offer sheet to Shea Weber

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 24 July 2012 - 08:49 PM

I probably shouldn't encourage the anti-Crosby obsession here but this was just too funny.

From https://twitter.com/hockeymemes

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#2321676 Who is your favorite player from a team besides the Wings?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 24 July 2012 - 08:04 PM

Kopitar

The kid's got ice in his veins.






#2321531 Predators match offer sheet to Shea Weber

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 24 July 2012 - 02:30 PM

Poile kinda screwed himself with the whole handling of Weber this year and last year. It took Holmgren's offer sheet for the Predators to actually act like a franchise that's willing to spend money for its franchise players.


#2321500 Doan staying in PHX 4 yrs $21.2 mill

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 24 July 2012 - 01:25 PM

Am I the only one who just doesn't give a s*** anymore? FA this year has been interminable! Pick a freakin' team and be done with it.

I'm feeling the same way.

I don't like Doan much after last years playoffs, but I know he's a talented player, competes hard, and would bring a physical edge to the Wings. He'd make the team better for sure. But as a 35 year old forward, he wouldn't really be a major, lasting improvement to the Wings.

And because he's a 35 yr old, if he leaves Phoenix honestly I see him moving to some team that at least on paper looks to be a serious Cup contender for the next couple seasons. That isn't the Wings.


#2321007 Rating the NHL Franchises and Predictions

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 22 July 2012 - 05:31 PM

Wow... I'm shocked you don't like Burrows. We need a tough player in front of the opposing goalie. Next year Vancouver is facing 9 unrestricted free agents and 1 restricted. The following year the Sedin brothers are unrestricted free agents ($12.2million). If you do the math...Vanvouver is going to part with some top talent next year.

What does Burrows have to do with toughness?

I may not like some things about Tootoo, but he legitimately a tough little dude.

Burrows is a finger biting, diving, whining agitator. He makes Ott look classy. No thank you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGysIQ3NNTk&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLD655798B9F148BCE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxmZWIX0278

There's very few players I can honestly say I'd be embarrassed to have on the Wings, but Burrows is one of them.


#2320415 Flyers sign Weber to offer sheet: 14y/$110m ($56m 1st 4yrs)

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 19 July 2012 - 02:01 PM

He was paid $3.3m for one year. That is not at all the type of big free-agent splash that was being made reference to.

Bats*** crazy, eh? That's a tremendous exaggeration. The highest bid for Jagr was $3.3m. The Wings offered something in the realm of $2.5m, as did the Penguins. In what universe do those sorts of offers constitute bats***-crazy attempts to sign a player?

Oh, now we're just using salary as a measure?

The original phrase was a "big free agent splash". I don't think I need to go over Jagr's resume, but his return to the NHL was a pretty big free agent signing. There were multiple teams trying to sign him, and there was also pretty significant risk given his age and the question mark of transitioning from the KHL. Both those factors kept his salary down.

But $3.3 million for a 40 year old who's been away from the NHL for 3 years isn't exactly chump change. In terms of a big free agent splash that could've gone bad but didn't, I'd say Jagr definitely qualifies, which was the original point of the post that started all this.


#2320390 Flyers sign Weber to offer sheet: 14y/$110m ($56m 1st 4yrs)

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 19 July 2012 - 01:03 PM

In what universe was Jagr a big free-agent splash?

They can't. As of now he is not signed to a contract by anybody, so only his rights could be traded; and because he has signed an offer sheet, his rights cannot be traded.

This one?

Obviously it wasn't like Suter and Parise, but don't you remember all the giddy speculation last year about who would sign him? There were something like 5 Cup contending teams that were in the mix for him.

To me, a superstar of Jagr's caliber returning from the KHL is a pretty big free agent splash, even at his age.


#2320058 Flyers sign Weber to offer sheet: 14y/$110m ($56m 1st 4yrs)

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 19 July 2012 - 12:26 AM

Hockey Memes@hockeymemes
Yo Holmgren, you can sign all the D in the world but Bryzgalov is still your goalie.



:lol:


And Dreger may have overestimated the picks. How does it work again? He's revising his totals saying it may be a couple firsts and a couple 2nds.


#2320043 Flyers sign Weber to offer sheet: 14y/$110m ($56m 1st 4yrs)

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 19 July 2012 - 12:10 AM

Well, let the whining begin.

It just did with your post.

Stay on topic please.


#2319779 Red Wings make "helluva" offer for Nash, no response

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 18 July 2012 - 01:09 PM

For real... I am scratching my head at the lack of intellectual honesty being displayed in some of these posts. "I heard..." and "Reports say..." ....and therefore Holland blows!!!! eh... really?

IF it's true that Holland made a "hell of a offer" ... we can probably safely assume that it was something *more* than Franzen, prospect, pick or Fillpula, prospect, pick......

The thing is the "helluva an offer" is an equally weak source.

The reality is we don't really know anything more than we did before. Either way, it seems extremely unlikely the Blue Jackets would deal Nash to Detroit.


#2319490 Doan staying in PHX 4 yrs $21.2 mill

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 16 July 2012 - 08:20 PM

I never really thought Doan was leaving Phoenix. Did anyone really?

No, but I thought Phoenix might be leaving Phoenix.


#2319489 Dominik Hasek's agent: "He will play, and he will excel"

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 16 July 2012 - 08:16 PM

From hockey memes twitter

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#2319421 Semin

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 16 July 2012 - 10:30 AM

True but its not like we are giving assets to acquire him. If he bolts he bolts and we dont have to get rid of his contract or pay him if it doesnt work.

Agreed.

I just meant that you think you've got a player locked up for a certain number of years and then suddenly there's a hole in your lineup that you could've tried to fill some other way.

Like when Hudler took the Wings to arbitration that commits him to signing with the Wings so I'm guessing Holland was counting on him being in the lineup. Then suddenly he bolted to the KHL and you're short a player and free agency options are limited.


#2319280 Reminder: Personal attacks, trolling will not be tolerated

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 15 July 2012 - 12:42 PM

To me, this is the heart of it:

Avoid personal attacks against individuals but practice criticism of ideas. The focus should be on increasing our combined knowledge, not on putting people down.