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#2328413 2012 Lockout Watch

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 12 September 2012 - 12:33 PM

Yeah, I know that every person that states they'll cancel won't do it, but I feel like a good portion will. There have been several petitions signed to not go to games or buy merchandise in the event of a lockout. One of the petitions I saw online yesterday had 20,000 signatures. Of that, I'd say at least 10,000 are serious about it. The dollars lost adds up quick.

I think more than an online petition, if you want to be heard it's probably more effective to write to the Red Wings organization directly and spell out all the money you've spent in the past and all the money you will no longer be spending on the NHL. You could copy the NHL on it, if they have any sort of address where they can actually hear from fans.

It's still mostly of a symbolic gesture, but I think is more likely to be heard and taken seriously than an online petition. Then the key of course is for everyone to follow up on it and cancel tickets and not spend the money.

#2328298 Hawks sign D-man Michal Rozsival

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 11 September 2012 - 04:51 PM

Those of you who believe that the Wings should have signed Roszival are almost certainly thinking about the Roszival of three or five years ago. The Roszival of today is a shadow of his former self so far as hockey is concerned. He is a liability in his own end and poor in the offensive zone.

I'm not high on Rozsival, but that's pretty much your standard response for everyone the Wings don't sign.

More than anything he likely would've been a middle of the pack defenseman, which isn't what the Wings really need as much as they do a top pairing guy and a cheap depth d-man.

#2328268 Hawks sign D-man Michal Rozsival

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 11 September 2012 - 01:24 PM

I thought they had to amputate his leg after the Brown hit. At least that's what it sounded like based on the Yotes players comments. :P

He wasn't anyone that was on my radar, but looking at the blueline right now, it sure wouldn't have hurt as a depth signing since we have none.

#2328257 2012 Lockout Watch

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 11 September 2012 - 12:53 PM

I think its equally telling just how much NHLPA ass you are willing to kiss by only focusing on the faults of the owners while ignoring the faults of the NHLPA. I don't think I need to keep repeating over and over again how much the owners proposal sucked a big one. Just like I don't need you to keep reiterating over and over again about how much the league could bend a bit more. I mean, we had this discussion back about 15 pages ago. You had some constructive comments to give to the NHLPA, and I have been saying all along that the owners proposal sucked a big one. I don't think we need to drag each side through the mud anymore than they already have.

Do we really need to hear each other say the negative things about each side in order to agree that both sides really have not budged very much?

I haven't done either of those, but keep trying. The difference is one side has not budged much from its insane proposal, while the other has not budged much from its pretty rational starting point for negotiating.

The reason this is more the fault of the owners and Bettman is very simple. Revenue is up 50% in the 7 years under the CBA. The league has over a billion dollars more in revenue than it did at the start of the CBA. A BILLION DOLLARS. The problem is that rich have gotten richer while other franchises struggle. The biggest problem facing the league is clearly the financial disparity among franchises, not player salaries.

The owners solution to that problem is to take more money from the players. That is no long term solution. It is an uncompromising money grabbing strategy that relies on the players union crumbling once again and conceding virtually everything. For that strategy to be effective requires a lockout to break the players will.

In other words, the league's strategy from day one was built on implementing a lockout.

So while they players haven't come far off their stance, there's still the underlying issue of ownership not even acknowledging that their assessment and proposed solution for the league is a fantasy. That's where Bettman should come in as the voice of reason, diplomat, and steward of the league. He isn't. I don't know if it's his strategy or if he's just parroting what ownership wants, but he seems more intent on breaking the union than on preserving hockey and the long term health of the league.

We all can pretty much agree on what the general solution is, plus or minus a few details. The players salary does need to come down a few percentage points, the league needs to increase revenue sharing to struggling franchises, and add some limits to contract lengths and how they're calculated against the cap. Those will all help the smaller franchises compete with the ones flush with cash.

The NHLPA's proposal was a starting point in that world. The NHL and Bettman in particular, however, have not joined the rest of us in the real world.

#2327911 2012 Lockout Watch

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 06 September 2012 - 05:25 PM

^^^ I was about to make a post about that particular comment. What he - Daly - is saying makes sense, but he comes across as such a dips***.

It's a good article, but it felt to me like Lebrun identified about 90 different issues as THE Core Issue, singular. I'm sure that's just quick, lazy reading on my part, though.

This is all so stupid.


It's just another case of the league talking out of both sides of its mouth. wanting the players to "partner with us," while we take away more and more of your money and decisionmaking power. "There's no salary rollback, it'll go into an escrow account until the end of the season, where it'll ultimately end up back in the owners' pockets."

It makes sense that the owners would be the major decision maker in schedules and realignment, but Bettman acts like it's a terrible inconvenience to have to check with the union on these things. If he had any diplomacy skills at all he would've involved the players more and the owners wouldn't need more legal reinforcement of their decision-making power. I don't remember hearing about the NHLPA making any unreasonable demands about the realignment, just that they wanted time to look at it and figure out what it meant for their hundreds of constituents who get shipped all over North America 9 months out of the year.

It is all truly so stupid. If we lose another season, I'm not coming back as long as Bettman is commissioner. I love hockey, but there's plenty of other ways I can spend my time and money.

#2327799 One Dumb move made by each team this offseason

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 05 September 2012 - 03:53 PM

I'm still interested in whom you feel the Wings should have picked up, and how.

As much fun as it is to hear you crap on trade proposals, I've already made my position clear several times regarding the flawed reasoning of your "name who" game.

If you're still interested, you're more than welcome to go back and read them.

#2327775 One Dumb move made by each team this offseason

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 05 September 2012 - 11:42 AM

I'd say the Wings dumb move was a lack of transition plan for losing Stuart and Lids which is why the ended up competing so hard in the Suter sweepstakes.

#2327545 2012 Lockout Watch

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 02 September 2012 - 12:26 PM

The new proposal is just another way for the dwarf to say screw you. Does this moron really believe Fehr would stupid enough to not see the rollback?
I am starting to think some owners gave out these huge contracts expecting the players to take less again.
They won't roll over this time Europe would be more than happy to welcome them back. We need a new commiSsioner asap.
Owners should be embarassed by this offer.

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That's the thing. Bettman and the league keep saying how only 12 teams are profitable.

Are the Devils and their ridiculous contract for Kovalchuk profitable?
Are the Wild with the two giant contracts they just took on in Suter and Parise?
Or the Preds when they gave Weber $110 million over 14 years?
Or the Hurricanes who gave Semin a $7 million deal?

The owners are doing this to themselves and each other, yet expect the players to bear most of the burden for fixing their idiocy.

Reduce the players share by a few percentage points (keep in mind owners are reducing what constitutes HRR so even if the percentage were the same, the owners are getting more money). Put a reasonable limit on contract length of 7 or 8 years to make it harder for GM's to circumvent the cap like they have been. Increase revenue sharing if the owners really do want to help these struggling franchises. Minor tweaks to most other things. Play hockey.

#2327436 2012 Lockout Watch

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 31 August 2012 - 12:16 PM

Dan Rosen@drosennhl
The NHLPA negotiating team has arrived for today's meeting. Henrik Zetterberg and Ron Hainsey are the players in attendance.

This just in:

Zetterberg finalizes CBA deal. Zetteberg's beard named new NHL commissioner.

#2327433 Red Wings Sign Jordin Tootoo to 3-yr deal, $1.9M/yr

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 31 August 2012 - 11:42 AM

Yeah, but can't you wait for when someone is pushing Z or Pav around calling them soft euros and this guy is just gonna skate up and throw down for them. f****** finally!

True. It'll be nice to see someone on the Wings stand up for a teammate (other than our goalie).

I just wish Tootoo didn't come with all his other bad qualities.

#2327430 Red Wings Sign Jordin Tootoo to 3-yr deal, $1.9M/yr

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 31 August 2012 - 11:31 AM

Hes no worse of a diver then someone like Franzen is, although it seems Franzen has toned it down a lot as well the past year or so. But for me the fact that Tootoo will also fight anyone in the league pretty much despite his size and is arguably the hardest hitting forward makes up for those things. I'm glad the wings finally signed a guy like that and as an agitator I expect the odd dive here and there even if I dont like diving in the game

He's absolutely a worse diver than Franzen. Mule is a bit of drama queen, but I've not seen him flop like Tootoo.

While I can appreciate the energy and toughness of his game, my dislike of him is based on him being a triple threat: dives, dirty hits, jumps guys in fights.

#2327293 Most overrated player.

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 29 August 2012 - 11:19 PM

How do you think the website "downgoesbrown" got its name? He's maybe not the most prolific diver, but he's clearly the best. If you make any contact that could potentially knock him down, he'll hit the ice and he gets the call almost every time.

It got its name from this fight (starting at 10 seconds after the Probert fight).


So I guess we're done here?

#2327181 2012 Lockout Watch

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 29 August 2012 - 12:32 AM

Also this...


The NHL is not asking for any rollback in current contracts, suggesting that the adjustment could be made through changes in contracting practices, increases in league-wide revenue and contributions to player escrow."



So the Red Wings could potentially be in a great position to absorb some salary dumps, depending on what these adjustments are. As it stands now, they would be a little more than $800k under a $58mil cap.

Am I missing something?

How do teams, who were basing their decisions on the projected $70 million cap, shed $10+ million without any salary rollback?

The new NHL deal also includes redefining what constitutes hockey related revenue. So when they say the eventual split is 50/50, that's not really the case. They're taking money out of the pot while also asking the players to take less of it.

And it sounds like the NHL's proposal still didn't address revenue sharing. This offer at least doesn't sound completely insane. But the league is standing firm on ignoring revenue sharing as a solution and expect the players to bear the burden of saving these struggling franchises by "partnering" with the league.

In 2005, I thought "2012, hell, that's 7 years. Who cares about a lockout then. That's light years away"

And here we are...

The only hope is Bettman won't be commissioner then, otherwise, I wouldn't make any hockey-based plans in 2019.

#2327178 2012 Lockout Watch

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 29 August 2012 - 12:25 AM

Just saw this on twitter.. NHL's proposed salery caps.

@DarrenDreger: Proposed Salary Caps: all projected and fixed: 2012/13 - $58M 2013/14 -$60M. 2014/15-$62M. 2015/16-$64.2M. 2016/17 - $67.6M 2017/18 - $71.1M

The salary cap dropping that much would be ridiculous.

And then 2019, lockout.

#2327113 Most overrated player.

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 28 August 2012 - 12:59 PM

You could include Karlsson on the list.

Great season for a promising young player, but Norris worthy??