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#2256186 Is Nicklas Lidstrom The Greatest Detroit Red Wing Of All Time?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 13 February 2012 - 12:01 PM

Are you including Ray Bourque in his era? Not sure why you wouldn't since he was still playing for the first half of Lidstrom's career. So, if he's included in that era, there's no way I agree with Lidstrom being the best "by far."

There was a time that I had Bourque ahead of Lidstrom, probably not anymore, but I'd have to step back, a number of years after Lidstrom retires and reassess. Problem is that I'd never have the proper objectivity. What I can say for sure though is that even if I conclude Lidstrom is the better player, there's no way it would be by a wide margin.

Definitely not anymore.

The only reason Bourque is still in the discussion as to being ahead of Lidstrom is because he is a good Canadian boy who played a more physical game than Nick.

If Lids was canadian the only real discussion would be if he's 2nd or 3rd behind Harvey. Once he's retired a few years and people take a more objective look at all he accomplished in his career, there's really little question he deserves to be ahead of Bourque.


More on topic, I can't really say if he's the greatest Red Wing of all time. It's basically Lidstrom, Howe and Yzerman. You could make a strong case for any of them depending on what criteria you use.


#2255859 2/12 GDT : Flyers 3 at Red Wings 4

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 12 February 2012 - 09:06 PM

hee hee. It's fun seeing Talbot pissed off like that.


#2255718 2/12 GDT : Flyers 3 at Red Wings 4

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 12 February 2012 - 08:42 PM

Based on?

His career?


#2255690 2/12 GDT : Flyers 3 at Red Wings 4

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 12 February 2012 - 08:39 PM

Kronwall is doing a much better job keeping his skates on the ice and not leaping up for the hit. Maybe he senses that the atmosphere in the league has changed regarding these hits.


#2255688 2/12 GDT : Flyers 3 at Red Wings 4

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 12 February 2012 - 08:38 PM

Kronwalled! Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy than Briere. I hate that punk.


#2255641 2/12 GDT : Flyers 3 at Red Wings 4

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 12 February 2012 - 08:13 PM

Simmonds is a first class ******.

For getting repeatedly punched in the face by Franzen?


#2255635 2/12 GDT : Flyers 3 at Red Wings 4

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 12 February 2012 - 08:11 PM

Like I said, I'd love to have Simmonds on the Wings.

And if he dropped the gloves I think Mule would get awful quiet awful fast.


#2255604 2/12 GDT : Flyers 3 at Red Wings 4

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 12 February 2012 - 08:06 PM

Sweet, douchebag NBC defends Rinaldo headshot on BigRig. Big surprise.

What game are you listening to? They said he left his feet.

And they've been massively complimentary towards the Wings so far.


#2255586 2/12 GDT : Flyers 3 at Red Wings 4

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 12 February 2012 - 08:04 PM

E admiring his pass, but it looked late and contacted the head. And he left his feet.


#2255526 2/12 GDT : Flyers 3 at Red Wings 4

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 12 February 2012 - 07:48 PM

What will it take for you to shoot the damn puck more Hudler? Instead of a shot from the slot you pass it Z for a shot from near the blueline.


#2255404 2/12 GDT : Flyers 3 at Red Wings 4

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 12 February 2012 - 12:16 PM

So, tying an NHL record would be a great birthday present for me.

Also, somebody please tell me why in the hell we didn't sign Jagr?

Word,
LDi03

I'd just try and focus on what's important. Instead of signing with his former penguins, he signed with their intra-state rival Flyers. :lol:


#2255403 Tomas Tatar

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 12 February 2012 - 12:12 PM

as someone who doesn't live in detroit any longer, it's great to get informed opinions on these prospects from you guys.

it's often hard to get good info and hockey's future can be waaay off about guys sometimes.


#2255402 If we got Selanne..

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 12 February 2012 - 12:06 PM

Just pointing out a difference and why the two situations ate completely different.

Having a list of 5 teams you're willing to be traded to as one of the stars of the franchise is pretty much a NMC.

My main point was never say never. Selanne has never said anything nearly as dramatic as Cheli did about the Wings, and the rivalry isn't nearly as heated. Plus his comments lately have been pretty measured.

Like I said, it seems like an extreme longshot, but who knows.

And this is one of the cases where offering Kindl and Hudler makes some sense. They'd pick up some of the goalscoring winger they'd lose in Teemu, and I'm pretty sure the Ducks are still in need of help on their blueline.


#2255392 If we got Selanne..

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 12 February 2012 - 11:51 AM

Yes, but I recall him saying the Hawks asked him to give them a list of 5 teams he would like to play for and they would try to accommodate him. Lucky for us, Detroit was on that list, despite his words previous to that date.

Blue, I don't understand all the hate you get for making threads that include lines combo's. Isn't that an important part of hokcey, lines? I like reading them. I don't always agree with your combo's but that is the point right? With that being said, I am not so sure it would cost as much as Hudler and Kindl to acquire Selanne for a spring rental. Wings_Toledo is on the right track with Hudler always be offered up (I am guilty as charged) but really, unless some team REALLY wants Hudler badly, nobody that are sellers are going to ask for a pending UFA in return. BUT, they mayb take a lessor player and a higher level prospect for him, or maybe a couple of prospects. I am not sure. I would make one change to your lines though, I would swap Zetterberg and Datsyuk.

Filppula - Datsyuk - Selanne
Bertuzzi - Zetterberg - Franzen

I would also like to see what wings_fanatic suggested with re-teaming Zetterberg and Datsyuk, but I would keep Franzen on their wing, because if Franzen was on a line with Fil and Selanne they would get their assess pounded on a nightly basis with no one to protect them. Having Bertuzzi out there would at least make other teams look behind their heads before taking liberties. Of course that would leave Dats and Z open for abuse then, because Franzen isn't gonna drop anyone short of punching someone after the whistle or game expires...

Agreed. I'm not totally positive but I thought Chelios requested (some say demanded) the trade once it became clear to him that Wirtz was intent on running the franchise into the ground.

I don't really get the negging either. Don't like it? don't read his threads.


#2255375 If we got Selanne..

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 12 February 2012 - 10:58 AM

Hasn't Selanne gone on record saying he hates the Wings?

He's made comments about the reffing when the Wings play at home.

But Chelios also went on record saying he'd never play for the Wings.

Selanne would be a great pickup at the deadline, but seems like a tremendous longshot.