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#2322192 Semin signs one year, $7m deal with Carolina

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 26 July 2012 - 03:08 PM

No just guessing based on knowing how marketing works and how PR works. You use every avenue to increase the value of the player, and to me it looks like that's what they did based on your comment.

You also have to think getting Semin away from Ovechkin and the young team might help them and putting Semin with Datsyuk for a full year might just hurt the Wings chemistry in the locker room

Of course.

Because Holland didn't sign him, naturally the only reasonable assumption is that it would have a negative impact on the Wings. :rolleyes:

If he had signed him, I'm sure people would be lining up to say how Semin could turn it around here because of all the leadership in Detroit.

#2322186 Semin signs one year, $7m deal with Carolina

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 26 July 2012 - 03:00 PM

that sucks. signing semin would have given us a little push in the offense for sure, even if he has a lack of heart. he is a natural scorer and he will score some for the hurricanes. maybe ken is going to risky on signing doan.

I'd take Semin for a year over Doan.

Doan is a great player and a warrior, but the guy's 35. His help to this team is limited, especially given how he plays. A 28 year old Semin on a one year deal, you hope he turns it around and then the Wings can lock him up for a handful of years next season.

Probably, the headache Semin might be would outweigh what his goal scoring prowess might be. Washington had enough of him, and it seems Holland wasn't sold on Semin being a Stanley Cup caliber piece.

I believe Holland has to build a Stanley Cup team, not a playoff team. And I really don't think Semin is going to be able to play that #1 winger role on a Stanley Cup team.

Sounds more like a PR move to try and raise Semin's non existent offers.

So hypothetical situations you couldn't possibly know are true are ok when used to dismiss a signing?

I'd have to think getting Semin away from Ovechkin and around a player like Dats could only help.

#2322174 Holland losing his moxie? Is Detroit slipping as UFA destination?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 26 July 2012 - 02:50 PM

They are both speculation, but at least we know the player traded was a greater possibility. Seems more plausible that the Wings could have signed Erhoff rather than Chara right?

And when the Wings lose I can usually understand what happened, I see if there was a missed assignment on a goal, I look and see if there was a bad penalty, I see if our special teams was an issue, I'll consider many different situations that make up the hockey game. The one thing in common is I know exactly what plays happened, and who was responsible. I'm not speculating on something I'm not sure would of happened, I'm focusing on the events in game that did. Which in your analogy would be focusing on the player moves in the past seasons to see what we know happened, not speculating on the players that didn't get moved.

I'm beating this to death, so I'll just say this.

The way you and Crymson have constructed the argument, there is no possible answer anyone can give you that will satisfy you. So why have the discussion other than to get to shut people down and try to stop them from criticizing Holland?

Let's play this game. We'll go through every loss the Wings had last season. You guys tell me what they should have done differently to win, then I'll let you know if they would've won or not.

Get ready for one of these two answers:

1) That wouldn't have been enough because of (some hypothetical reasons I'll make up on the fly).
2) We'll never know because that's not what they did. It could've made them lose even worse.

#2322167 Semin signs one year, $7m deal with Carolina

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 26 July 2012 - 02:44 PM

I simply have to disagree with the "no risk" assessment of signing Semin to a one-year deal. No risk after this season, but plenty of risk for this season!

Certainly not no risk. But for one year, the Wings having cap space, and few options out there, it would've been lower risk than I expected.

I seem to remember Holland saying from the get go he wasn't interested in Semin though. I thought maybe that was a poker face, but I guess not.

As I said before, Semin seemed like a good candidate for another Holland reclamation project.

#2322161 Semin signs one year, $7m deal with Carolina

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 26 July 2012 - 02:42 PM

7 bills? Glad he's not coming. It was just like a, let's pull the trigger on this guy because we can, not because we have to.

Ride that cap space Kenny, we'll get something done!

We definitely didn't have to. It would've been fun to see what he'd do with Dats though.

Of course, there's also the risk that the Wings would've added another extremely talented player with a questionable work ethic. For one year though, that's not a huge risk.

Not heartbreaking, but the one-year deal would've made it more attractive. I figured Semin would be looking for longer term headed into the CBA. And with a one year deal, you'd have to think he's more likely to bust his ass to prove his doubters wrong and get the big payday next year.

#2322143 Semin signs one year, $7m deal with Carolina

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 26 July 2012 - 02:21 PM

I didn't really have any strong opinion on Semin coming here. It seemed interesting, but risky.

It's one more option gone though.

#2322080 Holland losing his moxie? Is Detroit slipping as UFA destination?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 26 July 2012 - 11:10 AM

That's why it's ludicrous to criticize Holland on a situation that "you" don't know existed. The burden of proof is on you guys who are saying he should have done something, and yet you can't come up with a reasonable player that would fix the problem. How do you hold someone accountable for messing up a situation that never existed? Rational people have evidence that they argue for, I'm not shooting down anything, if you think Carle, Erhoff, Burns etc. are legitimate top pairing defneseman and would fit into the Red Wings system and are worth commiting long term to, that's your opinion, they are good hockey players, I don't necessarily agree that they would be good fits, but at least you bring up reasonable situations that we "know" Holland could have done and can discuss how the moves would have put the Red Wings in a better place right now and in the future.

Arguing what-if's of trades that actually happened is bad enough, arguing non-existant what-ifs trades is an even larger assumption that I personally don't see the rational logic behind.

Fact is we don't know what Holland could have done, but I'd rather focus on the trades and players we know have moved teams, and know without doubt Holland could have landed, rather then making up trade scenarios that might have never been a possibility. If that's too much to ask, then I guess I'll let people bash Holland for not trading for Chara, Karlsson, Doughty etc. I know I'd rather talk about situations that actually happened, and see if there are lessons to be learned in the past, rather then making up our own history and debate about things that we aren't sure were ever a possibility.

Then why did you ask people to do exactly that, to make up trades that were hypothetical and could never know for sure that they could've happened?

And how could we possibly know without a doubt the players Holland could have landed, unless he actually successfully brought them here?

Holland is among if not the best GM in the league. I'm not unhappy because I think he's crappy at his job. I'm unhappy because I expect more of him. And I'm not talking about not getting Suter or Nash. He basically painted himself into a corner this offseason and is looking very un-Holland like having to chase after all these big free agents. Lidstrom's retirement was a known event. Stuart going back to California was a known event. I would've hoped he'd have a better transition plan. And I can think that without having to prove to you beyond a shadow of a doubt what that transition plan could've been. Because no matter what I say, it didn't happen, so it's pretty easy for you to shoot down.

You say the burden of proof is on us, but then in the same post you also say you don't see the logic behind arguing hypothetical trades either? So what is it you expect, other than for people not to complain?

Your argument is essentially trying to quell criticism and debate here, which is the problem I have with it. I don't agree with a lot of the Holland bashing here, but we're not in a court of law we're on a fan forum. People are allowed to express their opinions, even without irrefutable evidence.

#2321698 Predators match offer sheet to Shea Weber

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 24 July 2012 - 08:49 PM

I probably shouldn't encourage the anti-Crosby obsession here but this was just too funny.

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#2321676 Who is your favorite player from a team besides the Wings?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 24 July 2012 - 08:04 PM


The kid's got ice in his veins.

#2321531 Predators match offer sheet to Shea Weber

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 24 July 2012 - 02:30 PM

Poile kinda screwed himself with the whole handling of Weber this year and last year. It took Holmgren's offer sheet for the Predators to actually act like a franchise that's willing to spend money for its franchise players.

#2321500 Doan staying in PHX 4 yrs $21.2 mill

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 24 July 2012 - 01:25 PM

Am I the only one who just doesn't give a s*** anymore? FA this year has been interminable! Pick a freakin' team and be done with it.

I'm feeling the same way.

I don't like Doan much after last years playoffs, but I know he's a talented player, competes hard, and would bring a physical edge to the Wings. He'd make the team better for sure. But as a 35 year old forward, he wouldn't really be a major, lasting improvement to the Wings.

And because he's a 35 yr old, if he leaves Phoenix honestly I see him moving to some team that at least on paper looks to be a serious Cup contender for the next couple seasons. That isn't the Wings.

#2321007 Rating the NHL Franchises and Predictions

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 22 July 2012 - 05:31 PM

Wow... I'm shocked you don't like Burrows. We need a tough player in front of the opposing goalie. Next year Vancouver is facing 9 unrestricted free agents and 1 restricted. The following year the Sedin brothers are unrestricted free agents ($12.2million). If you do the math...Vanvouver is going to part with some top talent next year.

What does Burrows have to do with toughness?

I may not like some things about Tootoo, but he legitimately a tough little dude.

Burrows is a finger biting, diving, whining agitator. He makes Ott look classy. No thank you.



There's very few players I can honestly say I'd be embarrassed to have on the Wings, but Burrows is one of them.

#2320415 Flyers sign Weber to offer sheet: 14y/$110m ($56m 1st 4yrs)

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 19 July 2012 - 02:01 PM

He was paid $3.3m for one year. That is not at all the type of big free-agent splash that was being made reference to.

Bats*** crazy, eh? That's a tremendous exaggeration. The highest bid for Jagr was $3.3m. The Wings offered something in the realm of $2.5m, as did the Penguins. In what universe do those sorts of offers constitute bats***-crazy attempts to sign a player?

Oh, now we're just using salary as a measure?

The original phrase was a "big free agent splash". I don't think I need to go over Jagr's resume, but his return to the NHL was a pretty big free agent signing. There were multiple teams trying to sign him, and there was also pretty significant risk given his age and the question mark of transitioning from the KHL. Both those factors kept his salary down.

But $3.3 million for a 40 year old who's been away from the NHL for 3 years isn't exactly chump change. In terms of a big free agent splash that could've gone bad but didn't, I'd say Jagr definitely qualifies, which was the original point of the post that started all this.

#2320390 Flyers sign Weber to offer sheet: 14y/$110m ($56m 1st 4yrs)

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 19 July 2012 - 01:03 PM

In what universe was Jagr a big free-agent splash?

They can't. As of now he is not signed to a contract by anybody, so only his rights could be traded; and because he has signed an offer sheet, his rights cannot be traded.

This one?

Obviously it wasn't like Suter and Parise, but don't you remember all the giddy speculation last year about who would sign him? There were something like 5 Cup contending teams that were in the mix for him.

To me, a superstar of Jagr's caliber returning from the KHL is a pretty big free agent splash, even at his age.

#2320058 Flyers sign Weber to offer sheet: 14y/$110m ($56m 1st 4yrs)

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 19 July 2012 - 12:26 AM

Hockey Memes@hockeymemes
Yo Holmgren, you can sign all the D in the world but Bryzgalov is still your goalie.


And Dreger may have overestimated the picks. How does it work again? He's revising his totals saying it may be a couple firsts and a couple 2nds.