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#2318219 Semin

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 11 July 2012 - 12:00 PM

I honestly don't know, but it is discouraging to see him say that in the media.

Semin would be a great winger for Datsyuk, take off some pressure of our secondary guys, and possibly redefine himself in a Wings uniform. Holland needs to spend some of this cap space one day or another.

Maybe after the Suter/Parise signings, he's downplaying it to try and keep yet another free agent signing from turning into an episode of the bachelor.

That is a serious concern, but I can't help but think that if he wanted to bolt to the KHL, he'd be there already. I mean, it's no secret that he's not going to get paid as much here as he would there, so what's stopping him you know?


But there could be the fear that he'll play for a year under contract, and if he doesn't like it then he bolts to the KHL where he doesn't have to work as hard, and the Wings (or whoever signed him) lose him for nothing.

#2318158 Six teams on Nash's trade "list", none Canadian

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 11 July 2012 - 10:34 AM

Big difference in cap hits too


It's probably partly influenced by my never really liking Nash, but it seems like for Columbus to trade him to a team in their own division, the Wings would have to give up a ridiculous amount to acquire him.

Hockey reasons aside, even just from a public relations standpoint it would be a nightmare for the Blue Jackets to trade Nash to Detroit. It'd be hard to find a better way to piss off the fans. Yes, I know the Hawks did it with Chelios, but as bad as the BJ's are, I don't know if they're really as dysfunctional as the Blackhawks organization was back then.

#2317915 Reminder: Personal attacks, trolling will not be tolerated

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 10 July 2012 - 07:52 PM

That's a good point for sure. However, I felt it was worth pointing out the now proactive stance against personal attacks should be mimicked by a proactive stance against the type of trolling I alluded to. But thanks for pointing out a useful tool that most likely gets severely underutilized.

The report function does get underutilized. I'm not sure if it's a "snitches end up in ditches" mentality or what.

When someone trolls or makes a personal attack, basically the thread (and therefore the forum) gets crappier. The more personal attacks and trolling, the crappier this forum gets. Reporting a post isn't tattling as much as it is calling a mods attention to a mess so they can clean it up and keep the quality of the site higher. We're not the police here as much as we are janitors.

As I've said before, the forum is only as good as the content you guys provide. Post good stuff and the forum gets better. Post garbage and it turns to garbage.

#2317882 Reminder: Personal attacks, trolling will not be tolerated

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 10 July 2012 - 06:25 PM

After the forum upgrade it seems people need a refresher on the forum rules. Here's the one I keep having to quote as I'm warning people:

· DON'T personally attack other members. This includes name-calling, flame-baiting, etc.. If you can't discuss your point with maturity then don't discuss it. People that violate this rule will be dealt with swiftly.

Here's another good one:

· DO post constructively. If you can't add anything meaningful to a discussion, don't bother.

I suggest people re-read the forum rules.


I know everyone's a little jumpy waiting to see what Holland will do next, but personal attacks will not be tolerated and will result in suspension.

Furthermore, mocking other members about their reaction to signings is still trolling and off topic and will be punished.

For example, in a thread about Holland and free agency, someone posting "They should fire Holland" is a valid opinion, even though it's not particularly well thought out and is an extreme reaction. But in a thread about some other topic, chiming in saying "Fire Holland" to mock that member is trolling, which will result in deletion of the post and punishment.

Make sense?

Also, if you make a brilliant and insightful post about the Wings or hockey in general, but the last line of your post contains a personal attack, all your hard work will be deleted and you will likely be suspended for your efforts. As I've been saying over and over, discuss the content of the post and not the person making it.

Everybody say it with me now.

#2317851 Winter Classic ticket e-mail codes sent out, purchase available

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 10 July 2012 - 05:49 PM

People need to focus on the content of the post, and not the person posting it.

If you don't have anything to add other than a smartass comment, move on and don't post in the thread.

I'm tired of the posts where people are mocking some of the previous overreactions here about free agency. While some people may be overreacting to the state of the Wings, it's at least an honest attempt to discuss the situation. The mocking posts are simply trolling and make the situation even worse.

Stay on topic or people will be getting vacations.

#2316294 The Next Move

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 06 July 2012 - 10:48 AM


There's a thread for The Next Move, there's a thread for Chill People, We Have Options, there's a thread for what Holland shouldn't do next. Everybody please take a look at those existing threads before creating a new one to see if it fits in any of those.

We've been letting a lot of them go but are starting to get too many threads that are all basically speculating on what to do now after losing out on Parise and Suter.

#2316024 The Ever-Increasing Cap, Ridiculous Contracts, and Hitting

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 05 July 2012 - 06:46 PM

Well, as long as rising cap/salaries is the result of league making more money I do not see a problem here. But the fact that number of teams claim to be losing money while cap keeps rising suggests that something is not quite right.

The trick will be to make sure the league is healthy without punishing smart owners like Illitch because of the owners and GM's out there who can't run a successful franchise. It should be an attempt to get a more level playing field, but the CBA will be too restrictive if it tries to save some of these idiots from themselves. Some franchises and markets should be allowed to fail rather than be propped up by the league.

#2316014 The Ever-Increasing Cap, Ridiculous Contracts, and Hitting

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 05 July 2012 - 06:31 PM

They should start by just limiting the term. If you can't sign guys for over 10 years, for younger players you're not going to be able to knock down the cap hit with the reduced salary at the end of their career. So hopefully the yearly salary would come down a bit as well.

Otherwise I'm not terribly concerned with how much bank the players make as long as the league is healthy overall (which the owners are about to argue it is not, I'm sure). The significant parts to me are the proportion of the cap each player is taking up no matter the dollar amount, and that the cap is essentially being circumvented by GM's using the long term.

#2316003 Quincey files for arbitration

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 05 July 2012 - 06:16 PM

Had a thought. Maybe he was doing us a favor by filing. Now no one can make him any obscene offers that we wouldn't match. Maybe he wants to play here on his own terms, not what someone else thinks he's worth. Doubtful. But maybe.

I'm trying to remember exactly how it works but that's a good point. By filing arbitration, doesn't that prohibit any other teams from extending offer sheets, essentially committing him to the Wings? (Short of running to the KHL after filing arbitration of course)

EDIT: Just did a little homework and it's true, by filing for arbitration, Quincey cannot sign an offer sheet from another team.

#2315790 Jonathan Ericsson. Knock, knock...

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 05 July 2012 - 02:44 PM

In order to call out players like that, you have to prove that they haven't been called out before and are being asked to elevate their game today. There was a time when Ian White was elevated to the top line in San Jose. So to call him out to elevate his play is just like San Jose doing it when he was untested. Look at the man's track record.

IMHO, if you are going to call out players to elevate their games, call out Smith and Kindl. Two players who have never been called out before and are now in a position where they have to step up. You don't call out Kronwall or Ian White or Ericsson. Those are three players who have proven they can step their games up in the past, and I have no doubt they will be able to do it again. In situations where they had to be that top line defensemen or be that power play specialist, they have shown they can step up to the challenge.

Again, maybe with the exception of White, it didn't sound to me like he's calling anyone out. That implies that they have tried and failed and are getting taken to task for it.

It sounded more like a statement of what will be required of the Wings defense this coming year to make up for the loss of Lidstrom and Stuart. Not any slam on any of the defensemen. :dntknw:

After Ericsson came back from injury Babcock and his teammates were praising him saying how much they needed him on the PK and what a big part of the team he is, I think that gave him some confidence. That's why I think he is going to have a big season. Holland and the coaching staff need to sit him down and say this is where we need you to take steps forward in offence. I truly believe his defence, positioning and everything in his own end is already great, just need to round his game some more. Needs a great first pass, be able to fire off the shot quicker and shoot whenever her can, and work in the offensive zone.

How many points does Ericsson need this year for him to be a complete success?

Honestly I don't think his season being a complete success has anything to do with points. Sure it'd be great if he put up 30, but that's not going to make or break his season. He needs to continue to be a force on the PK, play solid even strength minutes, and knock the hell out of guys anytime they're around the net or in the corners.

If he does that, I consider his season a success.

#2315666 Jonathan Ericsson. Knock, knock...

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 05 July 2012 - 11:58 AM

So, in other words, none of these defensemen have shown that they can step up in your mind. Correct?

While I do agree with some assessments, like Kindl's, some are just unwarranted. Ian White playing without Lids? Hell, Ian White was playing well without Lids the previous season when he was on the #1 unit with the sharks. Kronwall not grasping the opportunity? Hasn't he given us everything the last couple seasons on the #2 line? What about his effort during the playoffs.

I would say that its not unexpected to ask your D core to step up, but to say that none of these defensemen have stepped up before is really a slap in the face to all the hard work they have put in for us in the past. Give them at least a little credit.

You're putting words in his mouth there. That's not what he said.

He didn't say Kronwall didn't grasp the opportunity, just pointed out he just became the top pairing guy. And he didn't say none of them had stepped up before.

Lidstrom and Stuart are gone. I took it more to mean everyone needs to raise their game to fill that void, since right now the Wings don't have anyone to fill those considerably large roles.

It's not that they haven't done well in the past, but that they need to do even more this season.
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#2315382 Holland comments on Suter & Parise going to Wild

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 04 July 2012 - 10:46 PM

Stevie Y is a legend no doubt. But hopefully he's not signing guys like Carle for 5.5 mill per season unless you have a hard on for Carle. Not mentioning that Sammy's contract is anything great on a somewhat offseason UFA note. But yeah LOVE STEVIE to death but don't think he has proven himself as a GM unless I'm wrong? Seriously though I think at somepoint, Stevie Y will (eventually) be OUR gm. Safe to safe that?

But just thinking the offeseason isn't over and people are judging way too quick. (no pun indeeded) :P

Mainly I just hope that Stevie figures out how to rebuild in Tampa and makes his mistakes and gains experiences there. Then comes back to Detroit as GM for a team that will likely be in need of a serious rebuild.

#2314916 Ryan Suter agrees to 13-year, $98-mil deal with Wild

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 04 July 2012 - 03:08 PM

Wrong: they said that when Shanahan AND Yzerman left. And the team nearly made it to the finals that season, even with Kronwall and Schneider out. And then they said that the Wings had declined AGAIN by leaving Bertuzzi and Calder unsigned and only replacing them with Drake. And the Wings won the Cup.

Etc. etc.

They deleted 40 goals from Shanahan as well, and they signed a goaltender whom everyone thought was on his last legs. All sorts of pundits said that the Wings would miss the playoffs.

Such as????

I've answered this already Crymson. It's not our job to make a list of all the potential trades Holland could've made over the last few seasons. Especially because you'd just shoot them down saying we dont' know they would go for that.

As you've even said, a GM's job is to plan for the future. This future was a known thing for the Wings, and they don't exactly look prepared for it. When you look at our blueline right now, it's not an unreasonable complaint to say the Wings could've been better prepared for this transition. Holland giving up a first for Quincey was a desperation move. Holland having to compete so hard for Suter was a desperation move.

Your obsession with people complaining right now is like the old joke "The food here is awful! And such small portions!"

If you don't like how people are reacting, no one is making you come read every thread here.

#2314808 Ryan Suter agrees to 13-year, $98-mil deal with Wild

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 04 July 2012 - 01:56 PM

People said the same thing when Yzerman left, and yet they won a cup a couple years later.

To say the Wings are on the decline is about an extreme of an opinion as saying they will win the cup next year.

I'm hoping for the best, but the Yzerman comparison isn't really the same. Stevie was basically a third liner when he retired and we had Datsyuk and Zetterberg coming into their prime. Lidstrom was still the number one D-man on the team and still near the top of the league in terms of quality of play. We have no one that comes close to that on the blueline AND lost a middle pairing guy in Stuart as well.

I am trying to understand why people are blaming Holland. He made offers to both players, and both players decided to go elsewhere. Its called free agency for a reason.

I absolutely don't blame holland for not landing Suter given what happened. But as I've said, he could've made moves earlier to ease the transition.

#2314751 Zach Parise agrees to 13-year, $98-mil deal with Wild

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 04 July 2012 - 01:08 PM

I haven't really worked out all the math but the Wild have almost $36 million tied up in 5 players. Can they really put together a competitive team with what's left??