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#2316014 The Ever-Increasing Cap, Ridiculous Contracts, and Hitting

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 05 July 2012 - 06:31 PM

They should start by just limiting the term. If you can't sign guys for over 10 years, for younger players you're not going to be able to knock down the cap hit with the reduced salary at the end of their career. So hopefully the yearly salary would come down a bit as well.

Otherwise I'm not terribly concerned with how much bank the players make as long as the league is healthy overall (which the owners are about to argue it is not, I'm sure). The significant parts to me are the proportion of the cap each player is taking up no matter the dollar amount, and that the cap is essentially being circumvented by GM's using the long term.

#2316003 Quincey files for arbitration

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 05 July 2012 - 06:16 PM

Had a thought. Maybe he was doing us a favor by filing. Now no one can make him any obscene offers that we wouldn't match. Maybe he wants to play here on his own terms, not what someone else thinks he's worth. Doubtful. But maybe.

I'm trying to remember exactly how it works but that's a good point. By filing arbitration, doesn't that prohibit any other teams from extending offer sheets, essentially committing him to the Wings? (Short of running to the KHL after filing arbitration of course)

EDIT: Just did a little homework and it's true, by filing for arbitration, Quincey cannot sign an offer sheet from another team.

#2315790 Jonathan Ericsson. Knock, knock...

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 05 July 2012 - 02:44 PM

In order to call out players like that, you have to prove that they haven't been called out before and are being asked to elevate their game today. There was a time when Ian White was elevated to the top line in San Jose. So to call him out to elevate his play is just like San Jose doing it when he was untested. Look at the man's track record.

IMHO, if you are going to call out players to elevate their games, call out Smith and Kindl. Two players who have never been called out before and are now in a position where they have to step up. You don't call out Kronwall or Ian White or Ericsson. Those are three players who have proven they can step their games up in the past, and I have no doubt they will be able to do it again. In situations where they had to be that top line defensemen or be that power play specialist, they have shown they can step up to the challenge.

Again, maybe with the exception of White, it didn't sound to me like he's calling anyone out. That implies that they have tried and failed and are getting taken to task for it.

It sounded more like a statement of what will be required of the Wings defense this coming year to make up for the loss of Lidstrom and Stuart. Not any slam on any of the defensemen. :dntknw:

After Ericsson came back from injury Babcock and his teammates were praising him saying how much they needed him on the PK and what a big part of the team he is, I think that gave him some confidence. That's why I think he is going to have a big season. Holland and the coaching staff need to sit him down and say this is where we need you to take steps forward in offence. I truly believe his defence, positioning and everything in his own end is already great, just need to round his game some more. Needs a great first pass, be able to fire off the shot quicker and shoot whenever her can, and work in the offensive zone.

How many points does Ericsson need this year for him to be a complete success?

Honestly I don't think his season being a complete success has anything to do with points. Sure it'd be great if he put up 30, but that's not going to make or break his season. He needs to continue to be a force on the PK, play solid even strength minutes, and knock the hell out of guys anytime they're around the net or in the corners.

If he does that, I consider his season a success.

#2315666 Jonathan Ericsson. Knock, knock...

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 05 July 2012 - 11:58 AM

So, in other words, none of these defensemen have shown that they can step up in your mind. Correct?

While I do agree with some assessments, like Kindl's, some are just unwarranted. Ian White playing without Lids? Hell, Ian White was playing well without Lids the previous season when he was on the #1 unit with the sharks. Kronwall not grasping the opportunity? Hasn't he given us everything the last couple seasons on the #2 line? What about his effort during the playoffs.

I would say that its not unexpected to ask your D core to step up, but to say that none of these defensemen have stepped up before is really a slap in the face to all the hard work they have put in for us in the past. Give them at least a little credit.

You're putting words in his mouth there. That's not what he said.

He didn't say Kronwall didn't grasp the opportunity, just pointed out he just became the top pairing guy. And he didn't say none of them had stepped up before.

Lidstrom and Stuart are gone. I took it more to mean everyone needs to raise their game to fill that void, since right now the Wings don't have anyone to fill those considerably large roles.

It's not that they haven't done well in the past, but that they need to do even more this season.
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#2315382 Holland comments on Suter & Parise going to Wild

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 04 July 2012 - 10:46 PM

Stevie Y is a legend no doubt. But hopefully he's not signing guys like Carle for 5.5 mill per season unless you have a hard on for Carle. Not mentioning that Sammy's contract is anything great on a somewhat offseason UFA note. But yeah LOVE STEVIE to death but don't think he has proven himself as a GM unless I'm wrong? Seriously though I think at somepoint, Stevie Y will (eventually) be OUR gm. Safe to safe that?

But just thinking the offeseason isn't over and people are judging way too quick. (no pun indeeded) :P

Mainly I just hope that Stevie figures out how to rebuild in Tampa and makes his mistakes and gains experiences there. Then comes back to Detroit as GM for a team that will likely be in need of a serious rebuild.

#2314916 Ryan Suter agrees to 13-year, $98-mil deal with Wild

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 04 July 2012 - 03:08 PM

Wrong: they said that when Shanahan AND Yzerman left. And the team nearly made it to the finals that season, even with Kronwall and Schneider out. And then they said that the Wings had declined AGAIN by leaving Bertuzzi and Calder unsigned and only replacing them with Drake. And the Wings won the Cup.

Etc. etc.

They deleted 40 goals from Shanahan as well, and they signed a goaltender whom everyone thought was on his last legs. All sorts of pundits said that the Wings would miss the playoffs.

Such as????

I've answered this already Crymson. It's not our job to make a list of all the potential trades Holland could've made over the last few seasons. Especially because you'd just shoot them down saying we dont' know they would go for that.

As you've even said, a GM's job is to plan for the future. This future was a known thing for the Wings, and they don't exactly look prepared for it. When you look at our blueline right now, it's not an unreasonable complaint to say the Wings could've been better prepared for this transition. Holland giving up a first for Quincey was a desperation move. Holland having to compete so hard for Suter was a desperation move.

Your obsession with people complaining right now is like the old joke "The food here is awful! And such small portions!"

If you don't like how people are reacting, no one is making you come read every thread here.

#2314808 Ryan Suter agrees to 13-year, $98-mil deal with Wild

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 04 July 2012 - 01:56 PM

People said the same thing when Yzerman left, and yet they won a cup a couple years later.

To say the Wings are on the decline is about an extreme of an opinion as saying they will win the cup next year.

I'm hoping for the best, but the Yzerman comparison isn't really the same. Stevie was basically a third liner when he retired and we had Datsyuk and Zetterberg coming into their prime. Lidstrom was still the number one D-man on the team and still near the top of the league in terms of quality of play. We have no one that comes close to that on the blueline AND lost a middle pairing guy in Stuart as well.

I am trying to understand why people are blaming Holland. He made offers to both players, and both players decided to go elsewhere. Its called free agency for a reason.

I absolutely don't blame holland for not landing Suter given what happened. But as I've said, he could've made moves earlier to ease the transition.

#2314751 Zach Parise agrees to 13-year, $98-mil deal with Wild

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 04 July 2012 - 01:08 PM

I haven't really worked out all the math but the Wild have almost $36 million tied up in 5 players. Can they really put together a competitive team with what's left??

#2314738 Ryan Suter agrees to 13-year, $98-mil deal with Wild

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 04 July 2012 - 01:02 PM

There's no way to know if the deals that were available would have been to the Wings' advantage.

Right. But that's Holland's job. And it's been several years. Everyone could see this coming and he let it get to the point where Suter was practically make or break it for the Wings blueline.

I can be upset about that without knowing all the details (to be clear, I don't blame Holland for not getting Suter given the deal he got).

The next big hurdle is that Dats and Z are getting on and years. So the Wings have a weak blueline and an aging offense. He's still got time to help the offense, but there aren't a lot of defensive options out there.

#2314732 Ryan Suter agrees to 13-year, $98-mil deal with Wild

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 04 July 2012 - 12:59 PM

I like Ken Holland. I like him a lot. I'm very, very glad he's our GM. Mad props, respect from me to him.

But, man, sometimes I do have to wonder about him.

Holland is very good at making adjustments, but at times feels like he's too conservative, trying to milk yet another year out of the puck-possession skilled Wings. When Schneider leaves, he gets a very similar d-man in Rafalski and keeps things going.

The Wings team have been like a very fast sportscar that is getting up in years and Holland has been trying to make little tweaks and patches to keep it running another year. The problem is that it's just not faster than other cars anymore and it just dropped the transmission this offseason.

Holland has shown himself as a great GM when it comes to adjustments, but maybe not a great rebuilder.

#2314717 Ryan Suter agrees to 13-year, $98-mil deal with Wild

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 04 July 2012 - 12:50 PM

Tell us the specific actions that you feel Holland should have taken.

We as fans can be upset about Holland not accounting for this day without having to back it up with every single player that's been available over the last few years. It's called transition planning. All GM's have to do it.

We don't even have full info on who's available and what it cost and you'll likely shoot down any suggestion as too expensive anyway.

The fact is, Lidstrom retiring was an inevitability. Maybe he would've stayed another year, but Holland knew this day was coming for a long time now plus or minus a season. And Stuart leaving was a known for at least a couple seasons now. This is not like losing a Dman the way the Wings did Vladdy or Fischer. There were no surprises in this transition.

#2314673 Ryan Suter agrees to 13-year, $98-mil deal with Wild

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 04 July 2012 - 12:23 PM

Very true, that is a fair point. I guess with a couple moves, the Red Wings could realistically get back in the conversation. I just think missing on Suter overall is a dagger -- much more so than any other team that lost out here.

That's the part I fault Holland for. Rafalski retiring was a little sooner than expected but overall not a surprise, Lidstrom was known to retire either this season or next, Stuart was known to head back to California. He didn't make any moves over the years to ease that transition.

Quincey was a desperation stop-gap measure at the end of last season, but that's about it. Holland left the Wings in a position where they had to run hard at Suter. The Wings blueline needs serious help.

#2314523 Ryan Suter agrees to 13-year, $98-mil deal with Wild

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 04 July 2012 - 11:44 AM

Well crap.

#2313749 Suter Watch: Decision today, down to Wings/Wild

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 03 July 2012 - 03:13 PM

More St. James: #Redwings made 2 year offer to D Sami Salo Sunday but lost him to Tampa Bay. Wanted to add both Suter & Salo.

Dammit Stevie! Don't forget where you came from! :P

#2313651 Suter Watch: Decision today, down to Wings/Wild

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 03 July 2012 - 01:44 PM

At the risk of stating the obvious, the Wings need to make the all out push for Suter. If they don't land Parise, it's not gonna kill the team. They've still got a lot of offensive talent. But without a big name blueliner, our defense is looking scary. And not in a good way.