At the risk of stating the obvious, the Wings need to make the all out push for Suter. If they don't land Parise, it's not gonna kill the team. They've still got a lot of offensive talent. But without a big name blueliner, our defense is looking scary. And not in a good way.
I hate Twitter's popularity in times like thius because everyone thinks they're Bob McKenzie. All the Twitter nonsense aside, im still hopeful we at least get Suter AND a scoring winger in some fashion or another.
That's why at times like this you can pretty much only listen to McKenzie and Dreger.
Everyone else tries to break the story because they dont' have to worry about being wrong most of the time.
K whoever thinks Tootoo is a dirtbag you clearly dont know Tootoo and ur just making assumptions about him
I know 2 different people who have met him and both said the guy was the definition of classy and respectful. One was my friends mother (she's a diehard wing/hockey fan, hates the preds) and she described him as one of the nicest and most polite men she has ever met. I don't remember the whole story of how she ran into him, but something like he ended up going way out of his way to get her a signed puck and stuff. He's been her favorite non-wing for a while now. I think all you Tootoo haters are gonna get to know this guy and really like him.
I'm not talking about Tootoo the person. I'm talking about Tootoo the player. And he's a dirty player.
He's bitten guys, thrown cheap hits, and often drops the gloves and starts swinging before the other guy even realizes he's in a fight.
Like I said, my biggest issue is he's a dirty player and not good defensively.
Lucic and Franzen both have 4 million dollar cap hits. Lucic is $100,000 more, but I digress.....
Lucic: 26 goals and 35 assists in 81 games Franzen: 29 goals and 27 assists in 77 games
Interesting how they have the same numbers from production, and get paid the same. Would I rather have Lucic? I have a feeling the drones on this forum would ***** about him as well.
As for Simmonds, he is paid $3.5 million for lower numbers, but he has a high upswing if things continue to go his way.
Point is that you haven't shown me a "power forward" that is doing better than Franzen for the same cap hit.
The exact point was that they put up similar production to Franzen and are two actual power forwards.
Both Lucic and Simmonds play physical, fight, and score. Franzen floats and scores. He is in no way a power forward.
And Simmonds is 23 years old and Lucic is 24 years old, so they're likely not at their full potential. Remind me how was Mule at 23?
Hockey isn't just about scoring goals, I'm sure Howard would love not having the puck in his zone 70% of the game. Franzen is just not consistently winning battles along the boards, using his body, and backchecking. I don't see why people are trying to defend Frazen, it's clear as day that his effort level is not always there.
I don't think anyone is saying we don't need the goal scoring he does provide. It's the lack of effort he displays some nights.
The babcock quote earlier in the thread sums it up well.
Is this why Zetterberg and Datsyuk make almost twice as much as Franzen? I mean, you get what you pay for, right?
They don't make almost twice as much as Franzen, their cap hit is just higher. Franzen is signed through 2020 with the last 3 years being 2, 1, then 1 mill to get his hit down. That's about Holland's cap manipulation, not their relative pay this past season.
Mule was paid $5.25 mill this year, compared to 6.7 for Dats and $7.4 for Z.
Either way I don't think floating is something that should be excused by a player's salary. Teams that win have players who bust their ass to fulfill their role every second of every shift. That sure doesn't sound like Franzen.
It's not that I think the Wings should trade him, but I'd love for Babcock to sit him when he's floating out there.
How many of you give 100% effort at your job 100% of the time? How many of you have played a sport, tried your damndest and things just didn't go as well as you wanted? It's a sport. It's an exhausting sport. Not all your shots will go in. Not everything always works. And sometimes you get lucky.
I understand it's frustrating when you feel like someone is not trying, but for what he provides and what he is paid, Mule is an absolute steal. He's not going anywhere, no matter how many times people suggest it on these boards.
No he wouldn't. He's getting paid the same no matter what now, that's how contracts work. That is unless, of course, he has bonuses in his contract, but I'm too lazy to check.
29 goals for a sub $4M player? I'll take that everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.
That seems to be Babcock's thinking, because if the Wings didn't depend so much on what goals he does score, I'd have to think he'd get demoted for his floating.
Like I said, when Dats and Z aren't doing great you can still see them working hard out there. Franzen takes too many shifts off.
And I'm not asking him to be as disciplined as Lidstrom is year round with his training and diet regimen. I'm just hoping he'd work his ass off for the 18 minutes a game he's on the ice.
18 minutes. If you can't bust your ass for that long every game, how self-entitled and complacent have you gotten??