By reading this forum one would get the impression that Dallas Drake is the best thing that has happened to this organization in the last 15 years.
It is kind of funny, especially considering how awful Drake was in the regular season. But he had a good playoffs and also supposedly gave Datsyuk advice on hitting, which has clearly paid off.
All in all a net gain, but I think his role on the team is getting a little overblown as the years go by.
Still, I'd take Morrow on the Wings in a heartbeat. Even if it costs some prospects, this is the year to go for it. Potentially Lidstrom's last year, but also Dats, Franzen, and Z aren't getting any younger either.
Some of our better members here are from fans of other teams. It's always good to get perspective from fans of other teams, as long as they're not trolling.
And realize that they need to play nice because they're in hostile territory.
Completely disagree. From the rule book...
Stewart came off the bench and went all the way across the ice directly to Stuart. Perfectly fits under "distance traveled." And the retribution was even more obvious.
Seems pretty obvious to me that he met the criteria of an instigator.
Agreed. Stuart may have technically dropped the gloves first, but Stewart clearly came over to challenge him to a fight. The Wing's Stuart isn't going to turtle, so he obliged. But Stewart (man this name thing is annoying) clearly instigated the fight.
Him challenging Stuart was pretty much the textbook case for the instigator.
To be fair, Helm SHOULD have gotten an interference penalty. Stuart's hit on Petro was a good hit, nothing illegal about it...but Stewart was right in defending his teammate. Helm's hit on Petro would have been good except for the fact Petro didn't have the puck on the last one. Carlo reacted poorly...either stand up for your teammate or don't...don't just put the guy in a headlock, what does that do? Howard didn't instigate the fight, but he got off easy with only 2 minutes. He was throwing punches at everyone. He should have gotten a lot more, but it didn't matter...game was over.
Goalies typically get off lighter in situations like that. Howard had two Blues players jabbing at his head.
To me the frustrating part is that Howie is among the most tenacious and physical Wing's players in those situations.
I get your point. I didn't say it was clean, I'm just saying that it wasn't dirty. I don't think Ovie primary point of contact in this case was the head...more of the upper shoulder/chest which lead to his head slamming back. Nor do I believe he was aiming for Michalek's head.
Btw...(this coming from one of his biggest fans/supporters) if you're judging whether or not a player leaves his feet as an indication of clean vs. dirty hit, you'd better start going back and re-classifying a good number of Kronners hits because he often leaves his feet (most cases...just a little ). This however does not sway my support and overall like for Kronners game, because I personally look at just more than leaving the feet to gauge whether or not a hit was dirty (e.g. what angle was the hitter coming from, what position was the hittee in, was it open ice or on the boards, did the hittee see the hit coming, were elbows up, was the hitter aiming for hittee's head, etc...).
All in all though, it's professional hockey and non perfect hits are a part of the game. Having the league office dissect every big hit I just see as being a slippery slope to changing the game I (we!) love. I see your point though
I know I've beat this drum before but I think the league needs to bring hitting back to how guys used to do it, without the "exploding up" because that's inevitably going to direct the energy towards a player's head. And I'm including many of Kronwall's hits in this category. Players didn't used to hit this way, but leaping up slowly became acceptable, when it probably should be a charge.
It's not going to take hitting from the game. It's how it used to be done. Stevens and many other big hitters like Vladdy to name another, crushed guys without leaping at all. And Kronner could still Kronwall guys without leaping like that. He catches them with their head down when he sneaks in from the blueline, that's not going to change. It'll just help make sure he hits them in the chest and not the head.
As for Ovie, when a player has as many reckless plays as he has, to me it crosses into being a dirty player.
Who in the Detroit media or on this forum would object to Datsyuk being captain because his English isn't that good?
For that matter, who on the team would be upset? They seem OK with Datsyuk wearing the "A" and he leads well by example. Where are these complaints stemming from?
I don't think anyone is really complaining. But Datsyuk generally seems softspoken and doesn't speak English very well. Not that Zetterberg relishes the spotlight, but I think he's more comfortable with it. I could understand wanting Z to talk to refs over Dats, and lead press conferences.
Saying Z should be captain over him isn't a slight to Datsyuk. The star player on the team doesn't always have to be the one wearing the C. I'd rather someone else have that job and let Pavel keep doing his thing.
Honestly I can understand him saying something like that when it's in response to the veiled threats by a whiny ass coach like Vigneault. Especially considering the whiny divers the Nucks have on their team.
Marchand should care about his reputation with his coach and teammates, and to a certain extent the refs. A more appropriate response would've been that he could care less what the Canucks coach thinks of them.
And if Tortorella gets a 30k fine for ripping on the refs, in the post-Bertuzzi incident NHL, Vigneault should be fined for his comments about Marchand.