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#2204036 Rick Rypien found dead

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 16 August 2011 - 03:10 PM

Bottom line is that if you're mad at someone for taking their life when the individual never was able to get control of his/her depression shows you simply don't understand how the disease can fully consume them.

I agree its kinda hard as fans and hockey players who would do anything to play in the NHL and live the life he was. Its hard to imagine how someone could be depressed when hes living the dream life of millions of people. But depression is a disease in which it wont spare you even if you are living an amazing life. A clinically depressed individual can be living a perfect life and have everything they ever wanted for themselves, yet still be depressed, its a disease that is swept under the rug way 2 often, just because you can be in perfect physical health, but not emotional health.

Both well put.

People suffering from depression don't commit suicide to be selfish assholes. They do it to end pain. It's psychological, but it's still pain and can be constant and unbearable.

It's definitely a disease that's swept under the rug too often. Major depression is not the same as just being sad, or cynical, or negative. It comes from brain chemistry and from the depths of who a person is, and is not something that millions of dollars or playing a sport you love will change. Honestly the regular exercise and routine of practices and teammates probably helped, but sadly it wasn't enough.

All that being said, I can understand being angry. Even not blaming Rypien, it's a frustrating, tragic situation. I want to be pissed at somebody.

#2204012 Crosby's 2012 Season now in Question

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 16 August 2011 - 01:22 PM

Crosby was apparently just about "ready to go" late last year and then all that s*** was happening with Matt Cooke and then Mario Lemieux running his flapper about the NHL being bush league and then mysteriously, Crosby is no longer ready to go and will miss the rest of the year and maybe playoffs.... Lemieux made stupid comments and then Matt Cooke destroyed all his credibility and then Crosby's health suddenly took a turn back to the worse...nothing happened there where Lemieux was trying to back up a little and have his franchise player to sit to try and make his previous points valid all the while punishing Cooke for the media...ok.

as far as keeping it quiet...every week there's a new article on Crosby as though we're gonna forget his NHL God. they're publicizing every time he takes a painkiller for christ sake. look back on TSN's recent articles for NHL. there's enought to write a book on blindside hits and concussions.

and Crosby was doing conditioning the whole time to stay in shape so he could have played anytime he got back to full contact practices. we'll see just how over his career is when he misses maybe the first 5 games this season and is leading the league in points at the 10 game mark of the season with 14 pts in 5 games... the NHL can't afford to lose him. all the bleeding hearts will petition to have hitting removed from hockey if his career is over.

So the Penguins intentionally sat their star player (who was on a 1.61 PPG pace before his injury) for part of the regular season and playoffs, to make some vague point to the league?

#2204008 Rick Rypien found dead

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 16 August 2011 - 12:52 PM

Which statement? Of course we have no concrete proof, or else NHL's marketing system would not have done its job well. Steroids and other enchanters have the possibility of leading to a instant unexcepted dead.

NHL players use stims etc., period. Bigger more physical guys (such as fighters) are more likely to use steroids where as players who rely more to skill may only use restoring stimulants.

To be clear, you're making baseless accusations. No evidence, links, nothing.

Not directly, necessarily. Rypien has to do with the unexpected deaths lately. And the unexpected death's have to do with steroids etc.

I didn't know this was a "R.I.P thread" in the Water cooler. I thought you are supposed to actually discuss in the General discussion section. My bad.

Of the unexpected deaths, only a couple could even be loosely tied to potential steroids or doping.

You really can't see how people might get upset when you come into a thread about a hockey player who just died, and with no evidence at all imply that his death is due to steroids. And then go on and lump a bunch of other hockey deaths in the same category, when they clearly had no link to steroid abuse?

#2204006 Rick Rypien found dead

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 16 August 2011 - 12:48 PM

Steroids and other that kinda stuff that doesn't belong in the human body. The leagues just don't want to talk about it because it would look bad from a marketing perspective.

Did you post this in the right thread? What the hell does steroids have to do with the people Hockeytown mentioned?

Dan Snyder - car crash
Luc Bourdon - motorcycle accident
Mandi Schwartz- leukemia
Derek Boogaard - substance abuse problem, but it was alcohol and oxycodone
Zholtok - arrhythmia, no evidence of steroids
Cherpanov - inconclusive, but no solid evidence of steroid use or doping

#2203798 Crosby's 2012 Season now in Question

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 15 August 2011 - 11:59 AM

Karma for all the diving he did/does when he barely gets tapped....now he knows what a real hit feels like!

...besides, he come back and play half the season and they will "give" him another trophy, the Masterson Trophy. Then they will fill the NHL airwaves full of talk about what heart and dedication he has, and how he is the only "true champion" for coming back from his injury. I can see Eddie Olczyk (and Carmen) wiping the jizz off his face already.

I have no sympathy for him as a player (as a person I do hope he is ok to live a nice life,) this is what happens when you start believing the hype and think you are bigger than the game...the game stands up at the blueline and knocks you out...Eric Lindros part II...

I have several issues with this:

What has Crosby done to give indication that he is "bigger than the game?"
He didn't get his concussions from getting stood up at the blueline.
Lindros kept skating through the middle with his head down, probably from growing up playing against guys so much littler than him. This is no way the same thing as what happened to Crosby.
Crosby isn't even in the top ten of divers in the league. He did it more early in his career, but he's nowhere near what half the Vancouver and Sharks teams were doing in the playoffs.

True, but the only reason this is going to hurt the league, is because, as you pointed out, they've dedicated like 90%+ of their player marketing soley to Crosby.

I've always felt this was absolutely retarded, for this exact reason. What happens if he gets seriously injured and is out for a long period of time, or worse, his career is ended early? You screwed yourself. If they had decided to market a lot of great players instead of putting all their eggs in the Crosby basket, then if one of those players gets hurt, it doesn't have as adverse of an effect on the league. Hopefully they will learn from this, but honestly, they probably won't.

Losing one of the best players to ever play the game is going to hurt the league for more than marketing reasons.

I get sick of all the Crosby marketing and wish they'd spend more time promoting other players, but that's not Crosby's fault.

Honestly I hate the little f***. I think he's still kind of immature and he has some little-***** like quality that's easy to hate. But he's 24 years old. There's still time to grow up. And he's an incredibly talented player who works his ass off.

I just don't get how so many hockey fans would want one of the best players in the game not to be able to play. Even if just to hate him when the Wings play. I've hated a lot of great players over the year, in part for that reason, because they were great and they kept schooling my favorite players. But it makes it so satisfying when you defeat them. It makes for great rivalries.

#2203466 The best deal that NEVER happened

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 12 August 2011 - 12:39 PM

Not exactly a deal, but I think the best one that never happened is not getting Lafontaine as the #4 pick in 1983, so the Wings had to go with their second choice.

#2203460 Third line players who suck

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 12 August 2011 - 12:27 PM

From Dec 2nd through Jan 22nd, Savard played 25 games and scored 2 goals and 8 assists. In that same time span, Hudler scored 3 goals and 8 assists in 24 games. Remarkably similar stats. You can go on about a non-concussed Savard, but what about a Hudler that hadn't gone to the KHL? Maybe he's an All-Star scorer and Selke contender. We don't have the "maybe what if" numbers. If you want those, we can get Jason Williams' injury history involved.

So in his 13 season career, you're going to use 25 games where he was returning from a devastating concussion to call Savard a third line forward? Makes perfect sense. :rolleyes:

Hudler was playing professional hockey in the KHL, while Savard was hoping headaches and other concussion symptoms would go away so he could start working out again. It's not nearly the same thing. And unlike your example with Hudler maybe being an all-star scorer, Savard has actually been just that. Twice. It's not speculation. It's happened.

Before the 25 game sample you've cherrypicked between his concussions, Savard had 33 points in 41 games. Before that when he was playing pretty much full seasons his point totals were 88, 78, 96 and 97. In other words, take most of Hudler's stats and double them, and you'll be around Savard's totals.

If you're trying to make a case to people that Hudler isn't as bad as people say he is compared to other third line players in the league (which is a relatively sound argument) you only weaken your case and credibility with crazy ass things like including Savard in the mix.

And making threats about derailing this thread with your absurd Jason Williams argument doesn't exactly strengthen your case either. Unlike Williams, Savard has put up impressive points totals in one single season.

In terms of raw talent, Hudler is the third most talented forward on the team. He had a terrible start o last year, and followed it up with a stellar second half. What most people are ultimately upset about is the fact that he is so talented, yet hasn't brought a huge year because of his size and speed. I'm expecting Filppula to start getting the same kind of hate soon; we're already seeing the "trade Flip for a real top-six forward and give Helm his job" stuff, and Flip has yet to really prove he can really be a second line center, when he's been paid like one for years.

It's like Brian Rafalski. People loved the signing, until he got older and was not one of the top five or ten best defensemen in the league. Then he became an overpaid liability and the worst defenseman on the team, even though he was still getting Norris votes.


Who is he in front of? Zetterberg? Franzen? It's sure not Dats.

Flip does get hate here, but even when he's underperforming offensively year after year, he's a solid two way center who can handle the second line. Hudler has zero other positive attributes other than scoring. So when he's not doing that, he's dead weight in the lineup. Especially when you consider that Flip only makes $125k more than Hudler, and they put up virtually the same point totals.

Don't get me wrong, I think everyone is eagerly waiting for Flip to produce more offensively, but when he's not, he's at least still useful.

#2203284 Jason Williams signs 1 year contract with Pittsburgh

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 11 August 2011 - 11:20 AM

I said "a second liner, ideally a power forward". If I were saying he was a power forward, I'd have simply said "A second line power forward".

Think. You're smart. Use your brain.

Wow. Really? That's you're response to this simple misunderstanding?

Forget it Eva. All the s*** you get from people here you bring on yourself with dickish responses like this one.

#2203184 Jason Williams signs 1 year contract with Pittsburgh

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 10 August 2011 - 05:31 PM

Williams averaged over 20 goals and 50 points every 82 games he played from 2005-06 through 2008-09. It didn't affect his play, but it might have affected his health. In 2009-10 and 2010-11 his production slipped considerably compared to that average, although he didn't play many games or many minutes. If he gets a scoring role in Pittsburgh, he could post excellent numbers and be one of if not the best signing of the offseason.

I should have figured you made this same baseless claim in the this thread.

It's not as complicated as you're making it out to be. Williams has in no way averaged 50 points PER SEASON which is all that really matters.

Williams turning out to be the best signing of the offseason would be awful, because it could only mean that some tragedy wiped out a massive number of players in the NHL before the season started.

If you want to have the Franzen and Gretzky arguments (I'm not sure how they got involved in a Williams discussion) maybe you should start a new thread.

#2203183 Brett Lebda traded to Nashville

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 10 August 2011 - 05:22 PM

<_< Can't we keep the Jason "Friggin'" Williams talk in the Jason "Friggin'" Williams thread?

good point.

If I want to beat my head against a wall about Williams, I should be doing it in that thread. Sorry for the derailment.

#2203063 Carcillo opens his yapper...

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 09 August 2011 - 07:25 PM

Perry was not embarrassed. He won that fight.

No he didn't. It was a draw.

And for Perry to fight to a draw against Datsyuk is almost as bad as a loss for him.

He had an opportunity to lay a beatdown on one of the Wings star players. A guy he had a considerable size advantage over and one who isn't even a fighter.

And Perry managed a friggin draw.

#2202927 Brett Lebda traded to Nashville

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 08 August 2011 - 08:17 PM

Williams' 58 point season was his highest point total season in that span, but he scored 36 in 43 for Chicago in 2007-08 - pace for close to 70 points on a full healthy season, and 47 in 80 games between Atlanta and Columbus (29 in 39 in Columbus) in 2008-09.

So Williams' offensive output was pretty consistent as a 50+ point player, aside from his 2006-07 season when he scored a measly 32 points.

As for the "Eva math" comment; that 20-31-51 is his total output from 2005-06 through 2008-09, averaged down to 82 games. It's not the "let's project 11 games to 82" that I am often criticized for.

Jason Williams scored over 50 points once in his 10 year NHL career. I can't believe I even have to say this, but that does not make him a consistent 50+ point player, no matter what kind of fuzzy math you use. In the real world, playing real hockey, he cracked 50 points in a season one time.

And averaging his career output since 2006 down to 82 games makes as little sense as projecting 11 games to 82. It in no way is any indication of the kind of goalscorer he was.

#2202916 San Jose Sharks

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 08 August 2011 - 07:01 PM

I disagree with this, in fact there are cases where it appears to be extremely unequal, but I also think that it doesn't really matter. If you get all the lucky breaks and win, you still win; if all the bounces go against you and you lose, you still haven't accomplished what you wanted. But it also doesn't mean you can't be successful with that lineup. If two teams are evenly matched one will still lose.

Although I also agree that the Wings were outplayed and got what they deserved especially in Games 1 and 2 last season. And in general didn't get enough scoring from their secondary guys while the Sharks did.

I know what you're saying, but I would also argue that the better team is usually the one getting these "lucky breaks" or at the very least they're less affected by bad bounces. Also, a lot of times a team can look like they're not getting a break because they're getting soundly outplayed.

#2202862 San Jose Sharks

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 08 August 2011 - 12:37 PM

They're built to get lucky bounces and help from the refs against the Wings? Cool story, bud.

C'mon Crymson, you're making me agree with a guy named stinky fish taco for chrissakes. Sometimes the Wings actually lose playoff games because they got outplayed.

Stop making excuses. It makes us Wings fans sound like some pathetic losers.

Sharks beat us both times. Plain and simple. They won 4 games in both series and we didn't. We had our chances to win and didn't get it done.

This whining about bounces and refs is getting old.

this. Over a 7 game series the bounces and questionable calls generally work themselves out.

i agree with u but u have to admit that those first 2 games were very close and sj seemed to get alot of luck while the wings got none. those first 2 games anyway.

The team working the hardest tends to have the most luck. In 2008 that was the Wings.

#2202261 Weber Arbitration hearing...

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 03 August 2011 - 04:28 PM


its all over. well we can always make a stab at him next year (though theyll prolly just take him to arb again), or go for suter. 7.5 mill is alot of money

This part of the article blows my mind.

Weber, who earned $4.5 million last season, when he was a finalist for the Norris Trophy, reportedly asked for an $8.5 million reward while the Predators countered at $4.75 million.

Unless the term was 15 years or something, they might as well just offered a bag of pucks. It would have been equally insulting.