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#2238301 Jimmy Howard - "Iím just sick and tired of getting run over.

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 22 December 2011 - 12:31 PM

Thats the problem. The refs dont call it so something needs to be done, I dont even think an enforcer is necessary to fix this problem just bring in some rougher style of players that can deal with this kind of stuff when they need to.

The PP is our enforcer crap didnt enforce anything last night, Howard is the only one that tries to enforce anything on this team. I bet Howard really feels like the team around him has his back now too :thumbdown:

This to me almost seems like Howard, our Vezina calibre goalie, is calling out his team really

Yeah, to be clear, this is not an enforcer issue. It's about whoever is on the ice sticking up for Jimmy when he gets run like that. It's what Babs refers to when he talks about keeping the flies off.

If players know they can take liberties with Howard by running into him and getting in his face, they will. When you make them answer for it, even if the Wings end up taking a penalty there's a good chance the refs also hand out a penalty for what started it all, running Jimmy.

#2238279 Howard > Vokoun

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 22 December 2011 - 11:47 AM

It was never a question of having either/or.

Having him as a backup or 1B goaltender would have been huge. And behind a Detroit system that doesn't have its own head up its ass I think he would do very well. In fact, that would probably be the best goaltending duo in the league, perhaps behind Thomas/Rask.

Either way, it is great to see Howard do so well. Really crazy how people argued that this guy would never make it as a consistent NHL backup, let alone a bona fide starter.

You're spoiling the fun with your reasonable response. This is basically an "I told you so/Holland is perfect!" thread.

Who knows whether Vokoun needed a guarantee or not, but I can't fault the guy for not wanting to come to a team that already had a very solid #1 guy in Howard. Especially given Detroit's handling of goalies in the past. It could've turned into a s***storm for him.

1A 1B with those two would've been awesome though.

As for Howard, it's great that he has become a solid goalie for the Wings and absolutely capable of winning a Cup with the Wings. He was so stellar in college, I think when he didn't tear it up in the AHL it gave people some pause. Then he had some rebound control issues early in his NHL career. But the guy's a stud now.

#2238277 Jimmy Howard - "Iím just sick and tired of getting run over.

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 22 December 2011 - 11:39 AM

From Mlive
Howard has scrapped several times this season with players who have made contact with him.

"Z never pushed him. I watched the replay," Howard said. "Hansen leans into him, he loses his footing, just steamrolls me.

"I’m just sick and tired of getting run over. It’s every single game."

I've always thought that its cool to have Howard who wont back down from anyone and has a couple scrappy moments to his name with the wings, but this is starting to get ridiculous.

The goalie on a hockey team should not be the one always defending himself and his teammates. The fact that Howard is the one that has went after the most guys for hitting him on the team is pathetic really. A guy nails him last night, gets up and has the guts to hit Lidstrom and Howard is the only one that will do something about it.

Its clearly bugging Howard if he went to the press about it. Its time this team started sticking up for its goalie. In hockey that is your number 1 priority, you are taught that from day 1. Even if the players thought Z pushed hansen in last night, as soon as Howard went after the guy, the whole team should've been in there to show their goalie theyve got his back and that we'll defend you just worry about stopping pucks.

Last year it happened with the San Jose guys snowing him, he was the only one who did anything to Crosby, this year he already went after Perron and Hansen. Its embarrassing really


The Wings should be making guys pay a price for being around the net in general, but at the very least if someone runs their goalie they should absolutely have to answer for it.

It's cool to see Jimmy so fired up about it, but sad that he has to go Hextall on guys because no one else will help him out. He's been a rock for this team all season. They should have his back.

#2238274 12/21 GDT : Red Wings 2 at Canucks 4

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 22 December 2011 - 11:30 AM

Either way, Vancouver is once again proving themselves the whiniest friggin team in the league.

I sort of hope Kesler will end up on another team. Hopefully in a different environment with better leadership he'd cut out the antics and focus on his game.

#2238256 12/21 GDT : Red Wings 2 at Canucks 4

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 22 December 2011 - 10:23 AM

point of contact

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aaaaand what canucks fans see

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To me it's another Kronwall borderline hit. He does the exploding upward thing, when he really doesn't need to. He would've crushed Kesler even without the jump.

And my guess is the league is going to be cracking down on these exploding up hits, as it targets a lot of energy towards a player's head. They've already suspended someone this season for a very similar hit where his skates were technically on the ice at the point of contact (can't think of who right now because I haven't had coffee). In Shanny's video for that suspension he points out that even though the skates were on the ice at contact, the height they reached during the hit showed too much of a leap.

Honestly I think this should've been a two minute penalty in the game. I have no idea what Shanny will do, and have little sympathy for Kesler when he decided to turn little ***** for the rest of the game. Overall I'd prefer Kronner get better at keeping his skates on the ice so these hits are squeaky clean, because he'll still crush the guy that way.

#2238205 12/21 GDT : Red Wings 2 at Canucks 4

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 22 December 2011 - 12:54 AM

I guess people are really thick headed.
You know he's from Detroit right?

And Lucic is from Vancouver. Big fan?

#2237860 12/21 GDT : Red Wings 2 at Canucks 4

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 21 December 2011 - 10:00 PM

The world is good as long as the Canucks don't have a cup.

I'm confused. Based on how their fans were acting at the time I thought they won the Cup last December.

#2237768 12/21 GDT : Red Wings 2 at Canucks 4

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 21 December 2011 - 12:23 PM

I hate the Nucks. They are worse divers than the Sharks. Do they have anyone likeable on that team?

Actually I would argue they're better at diving than the Sharks. :D


I can't imagine why anyone would dislike the Canucks. They're such a classy team. :lol:

#2237249 12/19 GDT : Red Wings 3 at Oilers 2

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 19 December 2011 - 07:21 PM

Aren't we playing the Oilers??

#2237133 The Official NHL Suspension Thread

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 18 December 2011 - 09:53 PM

I love when spot pickers (Horton) gets their ass handed to them after trying to spot pick.

As for Lucic, he probably will get a game or two after most of the GMs voiced their displeasure at how SHanny handled the previous Lucic incident.


Honestly 5 and a game is probable enough for that hit. But Lucic should be a repeat offender and it's a chance for Shanny to right his wrong on the Miller hit. I wonder if the explanation for letting Lucic off there is Shanny doesn't really believe in the rule about goalies not being hit out of the crease. Because whether people agree with the rule or not, miller was not eligible to be hit, there was clear intent, a blow to the head, and it resulted in injury. That pretty much covers all the criteria for suspension.

I liked Lucic when he first came into the league, hoping he would be a power forward in the mold of someone like Shanahan. But the dirty hits, taunting, spot picking is all starting to pile up for me.

#2237078 12/17 GDT : Kings 2 at Red Wings 8

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 18 December 2011 - 01:43 PM

I don't care enough about the Kings to go research them and who's who. My bad. Won't do it again!

It wasn't a criticism of you. You'd hope the people at the Free Press posting the photo would get it right. they didn't.

#2237065 12/17 GDT : Kings 2 at Red Wings 8

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 18 December 2011 - 01:17 PM

It definitely looks like Stoll. Penner's too lazy to drive the net like that.

#2236867 12/17 GDT : Kings 2 at Red Wings 8

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 17 December 2011 - 08:27 PM

Hunter with a baseball swing on Howard.

At least Ericsson is out there. Clifford and Westgarth would tune up most anyone on the Wings.

#2236830 Mike Babcock praises Red Wings' physical game

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 17 December 2011 - 08:01 PM

Why do people still care about those points?

People are going to like your posts and dislike your posts for many reasons. When it comes to physicality, it's going to be a divided issue regarding viewpoints. Thought we knew that already.

Honestly, I'm just happy that the team is winning and playing a style that works. Physical or not, they are doing what needs to be done to win hockey games, and when/if they move around some pieces to get better, it will be even better.

I don't care about points, but I think it's just indicative of a larger problem here. Stupid, trolling posts should get negged. I don't get negging someone just because you disagree with their point.

It'd be nice if reasonable, intelligent hockey discussion was welcomed here even if it suggests changes to the team.

#2236693 Mike Babcock praises Red Wings' physical game

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 17 December 2011 - 02:03 PM

Babcock gets it.

It seems when this team is losing (which isnt often now but in the past) they continually try to keep skilling their way around the rink even when it isnt working. WHich is very frustrating to watch.

I still think if this team had a bit tougher bottom 6 and replaced guys like Emmerton or Miller who try to do the skill thing and cant play physical very well at all (especially Emmerton)the wings would be better off. Its not impossible to find guys who can play hockey and be tough to play against. Its not about finding a Milan Lucic, but there are guys out there that could play as much as Miller and Emmerton and be just as effective while providing the ability to set a physical tone. Kenny should be looking at Gaustad, Moen and Prust this offseason.

There are other options and as much as people hate Tootoo, he has been playing great hockey and could be that physical spark Detroit needs.

Daniel Winnik or Cody Mcleod could be good as well.

I will say that the D is probably one of the more physical in the league actually and is pretty good in that regard now but the forwards need something. Any those guys above on the fourth line could help, or putting Shane Doan in the top 6 could as well.

I know I'm gonna take heat for suggesting Tootoo because I know how everyone feels about him but hes already got 13 points and plays a very physical game. He also hasnt done anything cheap this year. He hit Miller but he was driving to the net hard.

You got negged for a reasonable and well thought out post, which is ridiculous. I'm guessing because you think the Wings need to be more physical? or mentioned Tootoo?

I wouldn't ever want Tootoo on the Wings, but agree in general.