That's why the Habs are a lock to win the Cup this year, right?
Babcock was there two seasons. He took a no talent team and a hot goaltender to within a win of the Cup. Giguere played great but to pretend it was all Giguere is inaccurate. Part of the reason he played so well was the system around him that was all about puck control and limiting scoring chances. Sound familiar?
Let's us not forget that during that 2007 year, where we needed just a bit more goal scoring, Babcock nixed the trade to bring Fedorov back at the deadline. We ended up losing to the Sharks in the WCF and could have won the series in game 6 if someone could've score ONE DAMN POWERPLAY GOAL...
not bashing Babcock, but that, again, is another example of his ego.
According to Ken Holland, that story is false.
The Blue Jackets wanted Flip and a prospect. Kenny kicked the tires a bit but sounds like it never got serious.
That's like saying, minus that Superbowl half time show, he's really kept a low profile. TSN is the biggest media source for hockey, and hockey related information. And Darren Dreger (and perhaps McKenzie) is it's most high profile contributor.
Mike Babcock is notorious for shutting down reporters and/or interviews the second he doesn't like something they asked. Watch any of his post game comments (particularly after loss) and he couldn't be more combative. Yet suddenly he's doing sit down interviews, and discussing his through process, etc. and I'm NOT supposed to believe he wants it that way?
One sentence, exactly one, would have put an end to this crap a year ago.
"I don't discuss contract negotiations publicly, you'll know about it once I've signed the contract".
With Ken Holland by his side. But it's just Babcock wanting this? He could've done it because Holland asked him to. He could've done it as a favor to Dreger. He could've done it because he really loves all this attention. No one has any actual idea what his motivations are, so who cares?
And no, that one sentence would have done little to end this crap. There was tons of media coverage and speculation before that TSN interview. If he said he doesn't negotiate publicly, it would just be the same endless speculation we're having now.
Honestly I'm surprised at the amount of coverage this whole thing is getting but as an American not living in the Detroit area, I didn't realize how big Canada's fixation on him would be after the Gold medal wins.
This is like an episode of The Bachelor". Everybody is waiting to see if Mike will give Ken Holland the rose.
Not at all. It's insane. There is literally up to the minute articles, tweets, interviews, etc. with every commentator under the sun, all speculating on where he'll end up. #Babswatch is trending on Twitter as we speak.
If the whole process disgusts you so much, why follow it so closely? It's like repeatedly drinking spoiled milk.
I don't blame him for not showing all of his cards when it comes to what he wants or is looking for...
I'm sure in talking to other teams, he's gotten a lot of different offers with a lot of different levels of opportunity.
I certainly don't blame Babcock for not saying that part of the decision is the money... he's already got people that think it's all about the money anyway.
...but as far as winning goes. Yes, Detroit has the better chance of winning a Cup sooner than Buffalo does.
HOWEVER, if we continue in the same trajectory with players, types of off-season/in-season/trade-deadline moves, coaching, etc. are we any closer to doing anything more than what we've been doing for the past few seasons.
I'm torn about whether I want him to stay or go and I really don't care how much he gets paid.
I'm just glad this should all be over by tomorrow and we can end "Babwatch"
Agreed about not showing his cards. Imagine interviewing for jobs and talking publicly about every aspect of your thought process, especially when you may stay and still respect your current employer.
What's he supposed to say?
"It's not entirely about the money, but frankly Kenny's offer was so low it ticked me off a bit and I think maybe they undervalue me here."
"I feel like my message may have gotten stale in the locker room and I'd do better with a new team that has some top end prospects."
"I don't have faith that Holland will be able to do much more than make small tweaks to this team in the next few years, and that's not going to get us a Cup."
"I'd really like a change but my family really wants to stay here. So I have to sell them on the idea of moving and really have to be sure about where I'm going."
People seem to latch on to a few things Babcock has said publicly but have to remember this is a job interview process and he can't or shouldn't talk about 90% of what's going on.
So Babcock didn't have any say in Samuelsson and Bertuzzi taking icetime away from Nyquist and Tatar for several years? How about Cleary's return? All Holland's fault? Babcock is partly responsible for this "overripe" crap.
Playing your 4th line 15+ minutes in big games is also Babcock's fault. He gives the wrong people more icetime and has the worst line combos of any coach I've ever seen.
Defense wise, I agree he doesn't have much to choose from. There's no way to mix and match our defense pairings and not get an underwhelming lineup together there.
We've discussed this before. I feel Babcock is equally responsible for those decisions. I have a hard time believing that Holland made unilateral decisions on signings and trades without consulting Babcock at all. If so, then by all means, let's fire Kenny only. But I don't think so.
Right. Which makes little sense to me. You're blaming Babcock equally for what is 100% Holland's responsibility.
Of course the decisions aren't without input from others. Just like Babcock consults people in his decisions. But their disagreeing on rosters has been well documented over the years. And even if Babcock has Holland's ear and is lobbying for these things, it's still ultimately Holland's job to decide what's best for the team in those situations. If giving too much weight to his coach's opinions is causing him to make bad decisions, it's still absolutely Holland's fault.
And frankly if that's the case, that's even worse and Holland should probably go. He's there to run the team, not be a patsy for his coach.