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#2533694 Candiens, P.K. Subban agree to 8 year contract

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 04 August 2014 - 05:02 PM

Ya I completely agree. I know in the playoffs they talk a lot about him and sometimes he shows his high emotions. But at least he cares nothing irritates me more then when people have show no emotion. It's ok to be happy and pissed at times that apart of hockey.


Agreed.  Doughty is very much the same way.  


I wouldn't want the NHL to start looking like the NFL where every minor play is celebrated like they just won the Super Bowl, but these are young guys playing a sport they love.  It's okay to have fun and show some emotion. 


I also like that he admits that he likes to throw hard hits so he regretted going after OV for a clean hard hit.  


Lucic's nut spearing and butthurt antics in the handshake line are much worse than anything I've ever seen Subban do. 

#2533687 Candiens, P.K. Subban agree to 8 year contract

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 04 August 2014 - 01:37 PM

Here's Subban with his NBA attitude, putting himself above his teammates, putting himself above the league, and generally making it all about himself. 





(I was being sarcastic)



In interviews and what I saw on CH24 he comes across as one of the more well spoken and humble players in the league.  

#2533608 Candiens, P.K. Subban agree to 8 year contract

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 03 August 2014 - 11:55 AM

Sure for me it means: acting like you are above the team, over the top celebrations, butting heads with your coach and/or teammates. I really can't stand such attitudes stopped following soccer after it became more like the NBA too, I think this trend with more and more young cocky guys such as Kadri, Yakupov, Eller and him is alarming :( Their franchise is and has been Price Trust me I understand the whole microscope point that's why I've said pay him a bit more and be done with it. I really thought the arbitrator would have awarded less.. If I'm paying 9 per for a defenseman my first priority would be can I trust his defensive skills when the game is on the line? And just like Karlsson I wouldn't they are offensive defenseman and good ones at that but not reliable in their own end.


How has he acted like he is above the team?  What over the top celebrations?  I've seen him be incredibly excited for a goal but I've never seen him do a dance over a flaming stick or anything.  It sounds like their relationship is actually fine now but Therrien is as much to blame with his handling of Subban and any friction there. 


If they thought the arbitrator would have awarded less, they would've done that.  They just locked Subban up for his prime years and he's likely only going to get better. 


Like I said, I'm not even particularly a huge fan of the guy.  I just don't really understand why he gets as much criticism as he does for what are usually very minor things.  I don't lump him in with the guys who are sliding down on one knee and pointing their stick at the goalie like a rifle.  Or flopping all over the ice to draw penalties.  Guys like Ryan Clowe can interfere with the play from the bench and it's somehow no big deal.  Shawn Thornton squirts water in Subban's face during play and it's somehow just gamesmanship.  


Can you imagine the reaction if Subban had done that to someone? 

#2533574 Candiens, P.K. Subban agree to 8 year contract

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 02 August 2014 - 10:12 PM

- Fighting your team mates

- NBA attitude

- risky in your own zone

- putting yourself always over the team


= reward 9 million per, I always thought this guy is Montreals version of Karlsson but Karlsson doesn't come with attitude problems. Ok he  is playing under an absolute microscope so give him 0.3k per more that's 6,8...but But what do I know Montreal - like someone has quoted - is it's own hockey universe. And all of a sudden even on an 8 year contract Webers 7,85 AAV is an absolute steal, same goes for Doughty, Keith, Chara, Suter, Pietrangelo, Vlasic, Kronwall, Seabrook, McDonagh, Phaneuf.


Man the arbitrator  really must have hated Montreals presentation 82 million for 8 years ...


as for their lockout: As long as we aren't changing the commissioner they are going to come prepare for it and since fans are always crawling back, nothing will change. The only way to stop this crap is for thee NHLPA to decertisfy


Care to explain exactly what an NBA attitude is? 


Putting yourself always over the team??


I was never really a fan, but on CH24 he just seemed like a young, goofy, outgoing, but humble guy.  When he made stupid mistakes during games he was the first one to own up to it.  He seemed immature when he came into the league but as you pointed out he is absolutely operating under a microscope so his every mistake is magnified a thousand times.  He is only 25 years old after all.


He's an extremely talented young player, a Norris winning defenseman, and their franchise.  He got pretty much what people expected, especially given his bridge contract.  The Canadiens just locked him up through all his prime years.

#2533305 Samuelsson signs new contract....... with Djurgarden.

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 29 July 2014 - 02:51 PM

As fun as it is to bash on Sammy, I'll never forget him for starting and finishing this play:



Also the two opening goals in Game 1 of the 2008 Finals against the Pens.


And the hundreds of logo shots.




All shin pad assassin jokes aside, Sammy was a bargain during his first stay here in Detroit.   He had good size, was irritating to play against, and put up good numbers for his salary. 


It's just unfortunate that Holland keeps repeating the mistake of bringing back former players, but I hold no ill will for Sammy. 

#2533084 Favorite Dan Cleary Moment or Play

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 27 July 2014 - 04:02 PM

Best part of that is he doesnt seem to have been pushed and the puck is on the other side of the ice lol

Never trust a gif.
He was crosschecked in the back prior to running into the crossbar.  Part of the reason he reacts the way he does is it looks like he hits his face on the crossbar.
And he was going hard to the net to get open for a pass or rebound.   It probably looks unfamiliar because he's one of the few Wings players who does it.  


#2532503 Babcock Interview on 105.1 this morning

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 18 July 2014 - 04:55 PM


That's legit, but nobody is remembering how Quenneville nearly did the exact same thing to us with those Blues teams in the late 90's that were significantly less talented than our Cup teams.  And he was coaching against Bowman. 


One of the reasons that I think Quenneville is a great coach?  Of the 15 times he's made the playoffs he's won the Cup twice and lost to the eventual Cup winner 7 times including three times to the Bowman Wings (widely considered some of the greatest teams EVER to play hockey) of the late 90's and early 2000's.  The best teams Babs has lost to?  Quenneville's Hawks a year ago. 


Before he hooked up with the Hawks though, he made it out of the 2nd round of the playoffs once in 10 years as a head coach.  Losing to the eventual cup winner in a first round series doesn't really count for much to me. 


Babcock took out the 2003 Red Wings in 4 games with a Ducks roster that wasn't exactly stacked with stars and got them to game 7 of the Finals.

in 2007 he took the Wings to the Conference finals, losing to a great team and eventual Cup winner in the Ducks . 

In 2008 he won the Cup

In 2009 he went through the Ducks, still a very good team, and beat Quenneville's Blackhawks (the next year's Cup winner), then took the Pens (who people here don't like to admit but were a great team) to 7 games.

In 2013 he took the Blackhawks to game 7 OT with a lineup that had no business hanging with the Hawks.


I think Quenneville is a good coach, but I still put Babcock a notch above him.  

#2532498 Babcock Interview on 105.1 this morning

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 18 July 2014 - 02:37 PM


Babcock is ONE OF the best coaches.  I agree.  We just happen to disagree on him being THE BEST coach, which is what you said initially.  And it's not like he came on to a bad team either.  Any argument made in his favor is equally valid for Sutter or Quenneville who, nevertheless, have more Cups. 


It's obviously opinion at this point but there's no way I'd want Quenneville over Babcock.  Sutter maybe.  I think Sutter outcoached and exposed the Hawks this playoffs, and Babcock almost did it the previous year with a helluva lot less talent. 

Here's part of the reason I think Babs is a great coach. 



"The way I look at it here, if you don't want to be coached, don't come here," Bacock said via Detroit Sports 105.1. "If you want to be pushed to be the best that you can be, that's what we do here. You know what? The proof is in the pudding.

"If [the Wings] are concerned about [free agents not liking me], then I should coach somewhere else."


Am I warm and cuddly every day? I am with my family. I think I care a lot about my players. When you care about people, you make them do it right. When you don't, and there's lots of coaches that don't, then their teams don't do it right and they don't have success. We just have the hard meetings. We get it out front. Does it piss people off once in a while? Absolutely. But it also leads to behavioral changes and getting things better. So you know what, I'm not apologizing for that stuff at all.




#2532387 Babcock Interview on 105.1 this morning

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 17 July 2014 - 05:36 PM

The Wing's front office obviously realizes that fans are upset, because this is pretty clearly Babcock doing damage control for Holland. 


Here's an article also referencing the interview.  


"Last year, he didn't bring anything," Babcock said. "But the year before, he was a key, key component leadership-wise, forechecking-wise, heavy on the puck-wise, just being a heck of a player for us."

He added that the investment was made after receiving a vote of confidence from the team's trainer regarding the status of Cleary's troublesome knee. 

"We've been told that his knee’s really come on. If he’s on one leg like he was last year, he can’t play on our team. 

"If he’s on two legs, he can help us win."





I guess we'll just wait and see what the future and Cleary's knee holds. I'm also not sure how much confidence I should give their trainer given the Wing's extensive injuries last season. 

#2532298 Ex-NHL Referee Paul Stewart Blog

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 16 July 2014 - 07:14 PM

I was never a huge fan of Stewart when he was a ref and things like this affirm it.  Not as bad as McGeough but Stewart seemed to have a big ego and it affected how he managed games. 


Regarding Lindros, if those stories are true it sounds like Lindros was being a hothead rookie, but never talking to the guy again and admitting that it affected how you called penalties on him for the rest of his career??  


 I did NOT go out of my way to "invent" penalties on Lindros -- or any player -- but I wasn't going to give that guy a break on anything borderline that I might have let slide with a player who had gained acceptability with me.




And then he has another grudge with Ferraro? He basically admits to playing favorites. It sounds like he took it all way too personally for an NHL ref.


As for Yzerman being a whiner, I don't remember him doing much of it early in his career but as he got into the later years he definitely didn't hesitate to give refs an earful.  

#2531994 Forum Rules Refresher. PLEASE READ

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 14 July 2014 - 09:46 AM

An update:


I know people are unhappy about the signing, but enough with the Cleary jokes in every single thread on the forum.  


For starters, they're usually not that funny as it gets old very fast.  Second, it makes it difficult to carry on a conversation about the actual topic. 


Thank you. 

#2531956 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 13 July 2014 - 06:22 PM

ok folks, let's please get back on topic about this great off season acquisition by Holland.  

#2531852 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 12 July 2014 - 03:12 PM

Of course you missed the point about extrapolation and it not being baseless. Besides, speculation is part of being a fan. It's what happens after the GM puts out cryptic messages.


And Harold you really aren't sure whether Cleary's agent would bring that up?

After Holland indicates that he kinda sorta didn't really want to sign him, but loyalty yadda yadda...That's you're honest opinion?


There probably isn't a sports agent who wouldn't at the very least try and use that if their client wanted another deal (I know more 'speculation')



I just don't see why you're creating things to get mad at Cleary about.  There's plenty enough to be mad about as a Red Wings fan right now that is factually known. 

#2531824 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 12 July 2014 - 12:09 PM

Him being lazy, floating, being streaky. He is basically their franzen but he puts up slightly higher point totals.


What??  Hossa is streaky maybe, but he isn't lazy or a floater.  The guy goes all out even when he's not putting up points. 


The biggest downside of Hossa is his increasing list of nagging injuries.  

#2531822 Tom Renney could be leaving, too.

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 12 July 2014 - 12:03 PM

Calling Professor Larionov, Professor Larionov, please report to human resources...


I'm not sure he'd be the best PP coach. 


"Just make a perfect pass to the spot where you know Kozlov will be.  He'll make a couple nice moves in the corner and throw a no look pass to where Konstantinov will be, who is cutting back door from the point.  If Vladdy doesn't have a high percentage scoring chance then Fedorov will have already moved into position by the far post for an outlet.  Simple."