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#2609005 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 20 May 2015 - 01:39 PM

 

I had the same thought. Toronto front office could turn into its own soap opera. Especially if the team is losing as they are expected to do.

 

I think you mean remain a soap opera.




#2608971 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 20 May 2015 - 01:26 PM

 

Really?

 

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What did he accomplish his other seasons there?  

 

That's why the Habs are a lock to win the Cup this year, right? 

 

Babcock was there two seasons.  He took a no talent team and a hot goaltender to within a win of the Cup.  Giguere played great but to pretend it was all Giguere is inaccurate.  Part of the reason he played so well was the system around him that was all about puck control and limiting scoring chances.  Sound familiar?  




#2608940 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 20 May 2015 - 01:16 PM

What would be really funny is if this is the offseason that Kenny finally lands a couple big free agents.  :P




#2608925 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 20 May 2015 - 01:10 PM

Lol no way Babs last half that contract.

 

That's what I was thinking.  That he's nuts to agree to that term. 

 

Then remembered he still gets paid even if they fire him.  




#2608923 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 20 May 2015 - 01:09 PM

Good luck Babs and thanks for the Cup. 

 

I hope you're at least smart enough not to take the GM job too.




#2608920 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 20 May 2015 - 01:07 PM

Let's us not forget that during that 2007 year, where we needed just a bit more goal scoring, Babcock nixed the trade to bring Fedorov back at the deadline.  We ended up losing to the Sharks in the WCF and could have won the series in game 6 if someone could've score ONE DAMN POWERPLAY GOAL...

 

not bashing Babcock, but that, again, is another example of his ego.

 

According to Ken Holland, that story is false. 

 

The Blue Jackets wanted Flip and a prospect.  Kenny kicked the tires a bit but sounds like it never got serious. 




#2608881 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 20 May 2015 - 12:54 PM

So, how would an 8 million/year signing affect say, Quenville's next contract? Especially if he wins another cup?

 

If Babcock really goes to the Leafs for 8 mill a year as coach/GM, his only victory may be the massive pay raise he gave himself and coaches around the league. 

 

 

Still, I'm not believing anything anyone is reporting at this point until it's triple confirmed. 




#2608797 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 20 May 2015 - 12:05 PM

Bit of a shocker, all along it was Det and Buff ... now this morning, Det and Buff are out and it is Leafs, Blues, or Sharks ??!!

 

Out of those 3, I think Blues would be his best option if he truly wants to win now.  Shocked that Toronto is still in the mix.  

 

It just confirms for me that no one really has an inside scoop on this or knows what's actually going on other than Babcock and the teams involved. 




#2608782 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 20 May 2015 - 11:59 AM

that one looks like a fake account. this is the real one https://twitter.com/RealESPNLeBrun

 

Good catch. 

 

Everyone needs to beware of fake Twitter accounts. Make sure they're verified. 

 

Also, posting false info will get you suspended or banned (not that it's what happened in this case). 




#2608777 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 20 May 2015 - 11:57 AM

Reliable. He works for TSN

 

He's mucked some things up in the past, like Iginla to Boston (the first time).  Probably pretty reliable but I wouldn't put him equal with McKenzie.




#2608572 Question for the Board regarding Babcock

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 19 May 2015 - 12:58 PM

 

That's like saying, minus that Superbowl half time show, he's really kept a low profile.  TSN is the biggest media source for hockey, and hockey related information.  And Darren Dreger (and perhaps McKenzie) is it's most high profile contributor. 

 

Mike Babcock is notorious for shutting down reporters and/or interviews the second he doesn't like something they asked.  Watch any of his post game comments (particularly after loss) and he couldn't be more combative.  Yet suddenly he's doing sit down interviews, and discussing his through process, etc. and I'm NOT supposed to believe he wants it that way? 

 

One sentence, exactly one, would have put an end to this crap a year ago. 

 

"I don't discuss contract negotiations publicly, you'll know about it once I've signed the contract". 

 

With Ken Holland by his side. But it's just Babcock wanting this?  He could've done it because Holland asked him to. He could've done it as a favor to Dreger.  He could've done it because he really loves all this attention.   No one has any actual idea what his motivations are, so who cares?

 

And no, that one sentence would have done little to end this crap.  There was tons of media coverage and speculation before that TSN interview.  If he said he doesn't negotiate publicly, it would just be the same endless speculation we're having now. 

 

Honestly I'm surprised at the amount of coverage this whole thing is getting but as an American not living in the Detroit area, I didn't realize how big Canada's fixation on him would be after the Gold medal wins.




#2608565 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 19 May 2015 - 12:43 PM

 

Haven't seen this posted yet... about an hour ago, Kypreos chimed in

 

Nick Kypreos @RealKyper  ·  1h 1 hour ago

As of 24hrs ago growing spec' Babcock and #Redwings would have a S.J type "mutual decision" to part ways. Will be interesting next 24hrs

 

 

Why would Babs part ways with the Wings since we have Suter?  Kypreos said that was a done deal. 

 

He's just throwing more speculation on the fire in hopes of looking like he had a scoop.  




#2608561 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 19 May 2015 - 12:34 PM

This is like an episode of The Bachelor".  Everybody is waiting to see if Mike will give Ken Holland the rose. 

 

Puke.

 

 

 

Not at all.  It's insane.  There is literally up to the minute articles, tweets, interviews, etc. with every commentator under the sun, all speculating on where he'll end up.  #Babswatch is trending on Twitter as we speak. 

 

If the whole process disgusts you so much, why follow it so closely?  It's like repeatedly drinking spoiled milk.




#2608545 Question for the Board regarding Babcock

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 19 May 2015 - 12:05 PM

I don't blame him for not showing all of his cards when it comes to what he wants or is looking for...

I'm sure in talking to other teams, he's gotten a lot of different offers with a lot of different levels of opportunity.

 

I certainly don't blame Babcock for not saying that part of the decision is the money... he's already got people that think it's all about the money anyway.  ;)

 

...but as far as winning goes. Yes, Detroit has the better chance of winning a Cup sooner than Buffalo does.

HOWEVER, if we continue in the same trajectory with players, types of off-season/in-season/trade-deadline moves, coaching, etc. are we any closer to doing anything more than what we've been doing for the past few seasons.

 

I'm torn about whether I want him to stay or go and I really don't care how much he gets paid.

I'm just glad this should all be over by tomorrow and we can end "Babwatch"

 

Agreed about not showing his cards.  Imagine interviewing for jobs and talking publicly about every aspect of your thought process, especially when you may stay and still respect your current employer.

 

What's he supposed to say? 

 

"It's not entirely about the money, but frankly Kenny's offer was so low it ticked me off a bit and I think maybe they undervalue me here."

 

"I feel like my message may have gotten stale in the locker room and I'd do better with a new team that has some top end prospects."

 

"I don't have faith that Holland will be able to do much more than make small tweaks to this team in the next few years, and that's not going to get us a Cup."

 

"I'd really like a change but my family really wants to stay here.  So I have to sell them on the idea of moving and really have to be sure about where I'm going."

 

 

People seem to latch on to a few things Babcock has said publicly but have to remember this is a job interview process and he can't or shouldn't talk about 90% of what's going on. 




#2608365 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 18 May 2015 - 02:13 PM

 

So Babcock didn't have any say in Samuelsson and Bertuzzi taking icetime away from Nyquist and Tatar for several years?  How about Cleary's return?  All Holland's fault?  Babcock is partly responsible for this "overripe" crap.  

 

Playing your 4th line 15+ minutes in big games is also Babcock's fault.  He gives the wrong people more icetime and has the worst line combos of any coach I've ever seen.  

 

Defense wise, I agree he doesn't have much to choose from.  There's no way to mix and match our defense pairings and not get an underwhelming lineup together there.   


 

We've discussed this before.  I feel Babcock is equally responsible for those decisions.  I have a hard time believing that Holland made unilateral decisions on signings and trades without consulting Babcock at all.  If so, then by all means, let's fire Kenny only.  But I don't think so.  

 

Right. Which makes little sense to me. You're blaming Babcock equally for what is 100% Holland's responsibility.  

 

Of course the decisions aren't without input from others.  Just like Babcock consults people in his decisions. But their disagreeing on rosters has been well documented over the years.   And even if Babcock has Holland's ear and is lobbying for these things, it's still ultimately Holland's job to decide what's best for the team in those situations.  If giving too much weight to his coach's opinions is causing him to make bad decisions, it's still absolutely Holland's fault.  

 

And frankly if that's the case, that's even worse and Holland should probably go.  He's there to run the team, not be a patsy for his coach.