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#2560978 Lines Thread

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 06 January 2015 - 03:34 PM


Even so, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect your second defensive pair to BOTH play defense AND contribute to offense.  Provided, of course, that "winning the game" and "not losing the game" are Quincey's quote is synonymous with playing offense and defense respectively. 


In general from the second pairing, I totally agree.  But if we're specifically talking about Quincey and Dekeyser, I think not costing the team the game is the better focus. 


Dekeyser has been doing great but is still growing into his role, and honestly hasn't shown a lot of offensive flashes.  For Quincey, this is the most consistent hockey I've seen him play in a long time so I'm happy for him to keep doing whatever he's been doing.


And it's still just a single quote from Quincey.  Who knows if they get that hammered into their skulls every game, or after a shift where one of them tried to jump into the play and got burned, one of the coaches got in their ear.   


Extrapolating that one quote to a mindset or philosophy that's causing players not to make plays seems like confirmation bias to me.  

#2560974 Lines Thread

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 06 January 2015 - 03:25 PM

I think you guys are extrapolating an awful lot from a single quote by Quincey.  Especially because it was in the context of him and Dekeyser as a pairing, which makes sense.  



Kindl is a great example.  He nearly singlehandedly cost the Wings a game, but still would be in the lineup were it not for his injury.  I don't understand some of Babcock's decisions, but I haven't seen a lot of evidence that a couple gaffes gets you sent to the pressbox.  

#2560966 1/6 GDT : Red Wings 4 at Edmonton Oilers 2

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 06 January 2015 - 03:17 PM

I dont know the credibility of the source but I thought this was interesting.




Weiss out of the dog house?


Khan confirms it. 



Stephen Weiss was moved up from the fourth line and will play alongside Pavel Datsyuk and Darren Helm.



Here are tonight's anticipated lines and defense pairings for the Red Wings:


Gustav Nyquist-Henrik Zetterberg-Justin Abdelkader

Stephen Weiss-Pavel Datsyuk-Darren Helm

Tomas Tatar-Riley Sheahan-Johan Franzen

Drew Miller-Luke Glendening-Tomas Jurco

Daniel Cleary and Joakim Andersson are scratched.





#2560733 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 05 January 2015 - 04:27 PM

So, THE INSIDERRRRRRRR is Aaron Ward then, huh??    ...backin' up off that hot tip like it never even existed.

What are you talking about? Ward had the scoop on Iginla going to the Bruins a full year before it happened. :P

#2560732 1/3 GDT : Red Wings 1 at Canucks 4

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 05 January 2015 - 04:26 PM

It's definitely not being asked in local coverage.  I've got about every Red Wings news source and blog tagged, key worded, and sent to my phone.  If anything happens with this team, I'm alerted to it, and I haven't seen a single mention of Weiss situation across the board.  I've even used my MLive alter ego, "TheGlistening", to email Khan directly and ask for an update.  Everybody is mum.  It's like they're purposely not covering an obvious story...but I have no idea why.

It's just so bizarre that no one is even asking. Even if Babcock just glares at you and grunts, you still ask the question. There's a Red Wings player who was brought in to be the 2nd line center on a 5 year $5 million deal and he's on the 4th line getting fewer minutes than any other forward.

It's not occurred to any reporter to ask why that is? How big of a mouthpiece for the Red Wings are the local media??

#2560716 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 05 January 2015 - 01:23 PM

Well if he's half the genius everything thinks he is then here's his chance to prove it.  He's got a healthy roster.  By his own admission he's got more people who can score than he's had since 2009.  Also, by his own admission he's got the "best team" he's had since 2009.  So if he can't make a little noise in the playoffs then I think that goes a long way toward answering the questions you asked above.  I don't expect him to win it all, not with this defense.  But I don't think a conference finals appearance is asking too much...if, as I've said, he's the bestest coach eva.

I don't remember him saying that but there's no way this team has more people who can score since 2009. The 2010 versions of Dats, Z, Rafalski, Lids, Homer, Bertuzzi, Cleary, Flip, Kronwall and Franzen alone beats this lineup.

Even if the forwards in 2010 and now were equal, Lidstrom and Rafalski blow away anyone we have on the blueline right now.

#2560713 Pens aquire David Perron from Oilers

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 05 January 2015 - 01:11 PM

Don't get me wrong, I'm all about adding an offensive defenseman. We struggle to score primarily because our defensemen struggle to move the puck and shoot the puck and put up points. Ericsson is a shutdown defenseman. Quincey is a shutdown defenseman. DeKeyser is a shutdown defenseman. We want to play the way we played in '08 and '09, but we don't have the blue line for it. We had one straight-up shutdown defenseman in that top four (Stuart) and three all-star offensive defensemen (Lidstrom, Rafalski, Kronwall). Now we just have Kronwall. That's not nearly good enough. That's why we run around in our end. It's why we trudge through the middle of the ice, often settling for just clearing the red line so we can dump it in and get a line change. It's why our power play often sucks. It's why we aren't a high-scoring team.
But we also don't have enough scoring depth up front. Even when we had Lidstrom and Rafalski and we'd just won the Cup, we thought it was worth adding Hossa. That gave us Datsyuk in his prime, Zetterberg in his prime, Franzen in his prime, Hossa in his prime, and good secondary scorers in Samuelsson, Cleary, and Filppula. (And even then, we came up short that year.) At present, we have an old Datsyuk, and old Zetterberg, Nyquist (can he be a major factor in the playoffs?), Tatar (can he be a major factor in the playoffs?), and sometimes an old Franzen (when he feels like showing up). Jurco is a possession monster, but he's not a significant scoring threat (yet). Helm's not a goal scorer. Abdelkader's having a career year, but he's not a goal scorer. Miller and Glendening don't score. The jury's out on Weiss. Sheahan's a stud, but he's not a goal scorer. I get that adding a scoring winger isn't going to fix this team's fundamental problems, but there's no such thing as too much scoring depth. If we're not going to put our late first-round pick towards a top-end defenseman like Yandle, if we're not going to use it on a rental like Green, if we're going to use it to select a pimple-faced teenager who won't be a real factor for the Wings until 2019, I think we should consider adding a gritty right-shot scoring winger. If we're loading up for a deep run (and I'm not sure that we are), better safe than sorry. Depth, depth, depth. It matters.
And at some point we do have to add some righties. That's another reason why we don't move the puck as well as we'd like - everyone's a left shot. It's a wonder we move the puck as well as we do, actually.

Agree about the defenseman.

I've been beating this point to death lately but when I watch other teams I realize how often defenseman usually get shots on net from the point and how crucial that is. I've just gotten used to the Wings not being able to do it.

I think Dekeyser is playing great overall, but his slapshot swing is so awkward it looks like he's gonna fall over half the time. Ericsson's windup is slow as molasses. Kronwall has turned into the new shinpad assassin.

It's always great to have depth up front, but I have to think that the most beneficial move is getting a right handed defenseman who can move the puck and get shots through from the point. It's pathetic right now.

#2560506 1/3 GDT : Red Wings 1 at Canucks 4

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 04 January 2015 - 12:20 AM

Howard's rebound control is so bad. This team needs to wake up.


That was not on Howard.  He did a pad stack because Vrbata walked out front and had all sorts of time.  


Jimmy's made several huge saves tonight including a couple breakaways. 

#2560495 1/3 GDT : Red Wings 1 at Canucks 4

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 04 January 2015 - 12:14 AM

Franzen still hasn't registered a shot on goal.  The high glass has made some nice saves on him tonight though. 

#2560488 1/3 GDT : Red Wings 1 at Canucks 4

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 04 January 2015 - 12:12 AM

Canucks collapsed against the Kings last game. Maybe they'll do it again. 

#2560482 1/3 GDT : Red Wings 1 at Canucks 4

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 04 January 2015 - 12:10 AM

"Shot from the point gets blocked by (insert opposing team's player here)."

#2560424 1/3 GDT : Red Wings 1 at Canucks 4

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 03 January 2015 - 11:29 PM

After watching other teams around the league, it's painfully apparent how desperately the Wings need a D-man who can get a shot through traffic from the point.  So far this game the best one at it has been XO. 

#2560420 1/3 GDT : Red Wings 1 at Canucks 4

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 03 January 2015 - 11:26 PM

It'd be nice if the ref called the dive too, but ain't gonna happen. 

Are they playing this game at a library or something?  I think I just heard the guy in section 103 Row 4 seat 3 try so squeak out a fart.

#2560409 1/3 GDT : Red Wings 1 at Canucks 4

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 03 January 2015 - 11:10 PM

That's a pretty soft call on Ericsson too.

wow...such a boring game.


Refs apparently think so too so they're getting involved.  Every penalty this game has been pretty weak.

#2560385 1/3 GDT : Red Wings 1 at Canucks 4

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 03 January 2015 - 10:29 PM

It may have been called anyway but that was definitely embellishment by Tatar on the interference.  There's been a few dives I've seen recently by the Wings.  Not liking this trend.