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#2214490 Hudler?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 13 October 2011 - 10:38 AM

You got this:

So if Hudler scores 80 points this year and then signs a 5 year, 16m deal with the Wings, you'd be unhappy? That's insane.


From this??

but I still hope come October 2012, Hudler is not on this team, or at least making what he is worth, and that is no more than $1.2M-ish.




#2214107 Bouchard suspended 2 games

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 11 October 2011 - 12:52 PM

I wasn't trying to kill him officer. I was just shooting my gun through the fence. I didn't see him there.

What if the slashed player lost an eye. Would 2 games be too much still? If it had been an accident, sure, 4 min would be enough. But he was INTENTIONALLY slashing him. Regardless of where the stick ended up, he was WRECKLESS and it needed to be addressed. A fine would have also sufficed instead of games IMO.

I agree with this part.

A fine and the 4 minute major would've been plenty. Calvert initiated the altercation and Bouchard responded in a way that's a fairly common play in hockey. As slashes go it wasn't particularly vicious, just with an unfortunate outcome.


#2213295 10/7 GDT:Senators 3 at Red Wings 5

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 07 October 2011 - 09:07 PM

At which point did Ericsson look bad tonight? I didn't notice. Most of the team looked rather sluggish for the first 15 and last 15 minutes of the game.

He didn't. But he's the whipping boy. If he isn't awesome then someone will say he sucks. Especially since Hudler scored and they couldn't rip on them.

His pinching makes me nervous, but Ericsson's play has given me some hope. Hopefully he improves.

Great start for the Wings, I just wish they could've kept it clamped down at the end.

As much fun as the five goals are, I don't want a repeat of last season's GAA.


#2213175 10/7 GDT:Senators 3 at Red Wings 5

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 07 October 2011 - 07:38 PM

I want a shut out for Jimmy Howard.

And I don't believe in jinxs.

Even beyond a jinx, it's a tradition. Part of the code of hockey.


But I'm guessing you were doing this to bait people anyway.


#2212935 Tell the Illitch Family to Drop "Presented by Amway"

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 07 October 2011 - 01:14 PM

Most fans don't really "invest" in the team. Maybe they invest emotionally, but that's about it. Yes, fans buy tickets, they buy merchandise, etc. But that isn't investment, that's simply purchasing goods and services. If the fans actually want to invest in the team, then send your money in without expecting anything in return except for a small stake in the team.

The sponsors don't invest in the either and they really have no ownership over anything. They pay money, in return they get advertising.

The owners are the ones that actually paid to purchase the team. They need to run their business (i.e. the team) to make money hopefully, otherwise, that team may not last forever (Atlanta). This sponsorship deal actually helps the fans be able to watch their team play. Without such sponsorship deals, the ability for teams to operate would deteriorate.

Without fans, a team wouldn't be able to operate either.

I know what you're saying about investment in the literal sense, but as fans we do invest in the team through all the things you listed. Tickets to games, merchandise, and by watching on television, which increases ratings and brings in more ad revenue. Hockey is entertainment, and we're the audience. Which is crucial.

I'm definitely disappointed that Illitch would sign a sponsorship deal with Amway, as I think the Red Wings (and Mr. I) are a class act. Amway is not, and definitely takes some shine of the organization for me.


#2212706 Eric Nystrom on waivers

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 06 October 2011 - 07:49 PM

Just because you say it's true doesn't make it so. Even if it were true, those players would have to be on the ice to prevent anything, and none of those players would play on the same line as Datsyuk or Zetterberg or anyone decent.

I don't know what to tell ya because it's a concept that's as old as hockey. I guess Babcock and I will have to agree to disagree with you.

I'm not interested in having a goon out there, but the more players you have that will drop the gloves when need be, the less crap that tends to happen to them. As fun as it was to see Datsyuk fighting Perry, he shouldn't have to.

Nystrom cannot score just as well as Miller. Miller has more points and goals in 100 less games played and has 2 straight 10 goal seasons with the Wings while Nystrom hasn't accomplished that feat. Nystrom has never had a positive +/- as a pro as well. So yes smartass, Miller is the better player.

You're talking about two players on six different teams, and basing it on only three or four seasons for each of them. Plus minus isn't a very useful stat for comparing such different situations.

And it's not always about who's the better player on paper, it's about building a team, and Nystrom has qualities Miller doesn't.

I don't think Holland will take a serious look at Nystrom, but it has more to do with the Wings being neck deep in forwards and Nystrom's contract.


#2212686 Eric Nystrom on waivers

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 06 October 2011 - 05:52 PM

How exactly does his punching "keep the flies off"? Fighting doesn't prevent anything for the love of everything that is good. Plus, Miller is a much better player than Nystrom. And Miller is younger. All signs point to Miller being better.

You should ask Babcock to explain it to you.

The simple answer is, if I'm a player around the net in a scrum after the whistle, I'm a lot less likely to take a little cheapshot at the goalie or give a little crosscheck to a star player if I know I will get punched in the face for it. If I only have to answer to Franzen, then it's jab away.

I don't think it prevents guys from hitting players or injuries during the game, but as for crap after whistles and little cheapshots, hell yes it does.


#2212642 Eric Nystrom on waivers

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 06 October 2011 - 02:02 PM

No thanks, Drew Miller's pk value is much more important then Nystrom useless punching talent.

Honestly I don't think his pk value is that high on the wings just because we have so many forwards who can do it. Helm, Eaves, Abby, Cleary, Dats, Flip, Zetterberg. And Nystrom plays the pk too.

Not that I think they absolutely should pick up Nystrom, but I think there's validity to having someone who could do a lot of what Miller does but also provides some more toughness "to keep the flies off" as Babcock puts it. I think Miller was a very redundant signing when they locked up Eaves.

Plus when the enforcer debate rears it's ugly head, people opposed to it always ask who is out there that Holland could've signed. This is a good example.


#2212602 Former Buffalo Sabre Rick Martin passes away

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 06 October 2011 - 08:22 AM

Apparently Martin had agreed to donate his brain to research like Probert had. They found brain damage similar to the other former nhl players brains they've studied. His only known concussion was in 1977 when his head hit the ice while not wearing a helmet.

I don't want to turn this thread into a concussion debate. I just thought this was relevant to the thread and surprising.


Researchers studying the brain of seven-time All-Star Rick Martin found damage consistent with the trauma they found in other former NHL players. The difference is Martin wasn't a fighter.

Martin is the first non-enforcer who has been diagnosed with Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy by researchers at a Boston University brain bank.


http://espn.go.com/n...-consistent-cte


#2212385 Hudler?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 05 October 2011 - 12:15 PM

Dude. With this thread, you might as well have put out a bat signal for Eva. :P


#2212383 The Official NHL Suspension Thread

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 05 October 2011 - 12:10 PM

You guys see Shanny's Good Decisions/Good Hits video?

Great video.

That's the thing, it's not about removing hitting from the game. In the past players would almost always let up in those situations highlighted in the video. But over the years there's been a new breed of player. Guys like the Matt Cooke's, Raffi Torres, Tootoo's, who make their living running guys in vulnerable positions. Over time it became an acceptable part of the game.

You can get the headhunting out of the game and still leave plenty of opportunities for crushing hits.


#2211898 MacArthur receives 2-game suspension for Abdelkader hit

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 03 October 2011 - 02:09 PM

He didn't dive. Sorry.

I guess it comes down to semantics at some point. He was contacted in the head, yes, but he also stopped skating and fell down, arms spread, already pleading to the refs for a penalty. In my book that's a dive, and it's disappointing to see a Wings player doing that.


Watching the replay a few times, you can clearly see the delay between when Abby gets hit, and when he throws his arms up over his head. Not sure why you'd do that when you get in the head, unless it was to make it look worse than it was.

The natural reaction is to grab your head, or at least try and keep skating, if you're interested in playing hockey and not diving.


#2211401 MacArthur receives 2-game suspension for Abdelkader hit

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 01 October 2011 - 06:41 PM

It doesn't matter if you are facing the boards and I still board you, I never had to board you in the first place. The fact I let up is irrelevant. He still intentionally hit Abby in the head. I'll say it again, he intentionally head shot Abby. Instead of letting up, how about he play the body or puck, not the head.

The same could be said for Brendan on his hit. He threw a shoulder that only contacted the head.

And I can say 100 times that Brendan intended to hit Ben in the head. It doesn't make it true.

To be clear I don't think Brendan intended to hit Ben Smith's head. And with MacArthur if anything he showed a lot of intent of hitting Abby late, but I can't see much that shows he clearly intended to hit Abdelkader in the head. Like I said, he could've pulled a Matt Cooke on him. It looks like he let up. Abby had his back to the play and was turning up ice with his head low, which is when MacArthur hit him.

There seems to be a lot of hypocrisy regarding these hits, depending on what sweater the player is wearing.

I think there was. I think they called him for interference.



I didn't see any ref with his hand up for the hit. And in the box score they have Abby with two for cross checking and MacArthur with two for high sticking. That was the altercation after the play.


#2211365 MacArthur receives 2-game suspension for Abdelkader hit

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 01 October 2011 - 05:34 PM

So apparently when you're wearing a Red Wings sweater, you have no responsibility for keeping your head up. But if you're in an opposing team's sweater, it's just unfortunate contact and you should have your head up? Abby's head was much lower than Ben Smiths was, he turned with his back to MacArthur and skated for the puck, putting himself in that low of a position. Then on top of it, he dove.

MacArthur could've brained Abby if he wanted to. Yes he contacted the head, but it looked to me like he let up. There wasn't even a penalty called on the play.

It should've been maybe been 2 for a late hit, then 2 on Abby for diving.


#2210896 Brendan Smith suspended for 5 games

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 30 September 2011 - 12:16 PM

I wasn't quite sure what to think, but the Puck Daddy article on the hit puts it very eloquently:

My problem with the article is that is furthers the myth that Stevens was a headhunter or that his hits only contacted the head.

People watch a couple Youtube clips of his hits on Kariya and Lindros and act like his career was full of those. When he KO'd Kozlov, he still contacted mostly body. Even if the hits did involve the head, they're usually dead on to the body, skates on the ice and would be legal by today's rules.

In his 22 year NHL career, Stevens had maybe a handful of hits that would be suspension worthy under the current climate. In general he had a sixth sense for catching guys when they weren't paying attention, in a similar way Kronwall does now. That's still legal when you hit the body.