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#2225364 Ryan Miller's opinion on Milan Lucic

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 14 November 2011 - 05:10 PM

I don't understand the outrage about the lack of suspension.

I can see where the charging call was made, even though I don't like it, but it was a shoulder hit, not a head shot, not a blind side hit, not any of these nitpicky ticky tack penalty du jour the NHL is confusingly trying to enforce. Lucic simply tried for the puck and braced himself to deliver a check to Miller. I doubt it was accidental, which is why it was a penalty, but it's not so bad nor such an intent to injure that it warrants a suspension just because Miller's helmet flew off and now it turns out he has a concussion. I don't think there's any sense to amplifying a punishment just because of outrage.

Has there really been a lot of outrage in this thread? To me it reads mostly as confusion.

As I said in my post, I think an argument can be made that it didn't warrant a suspension. But for Shanny to say it's due to lack of intent doesn't make a lot of sense and is a little surprising based on the standard he was using early in the season.

Goalies are not fair game. It's like if Lucic had lined up a player without the puck, didn't go out of his way to avoid contact, and even followed through on the hit like he did with Miller. He may not have intended to injure that player, but when you intentionally hit a guy who's not legally hittable, it's a grey area at best because the intent is pretty clearly to take a shot at someone you shouldn't.

If he wanted to keep in line with how he has been giving out punishment, honestly I think Shanny should've given a fine to Lucic for intentionally running a goalie and concussing Miller.

#2225352 Ryan Miller's opinion on Milan Lucic

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 14 November 2011 - 04:10 PM

Wow. Lack of intent?

Let's see, Lucic made no effort at all to avoid Miller, who was on a pretty straight path and not moving quickly. Then he follows through on his check when contact is made. That's lack of intent?

Maybe the hit wasn't suspension-worthy, but to say it was a lack of intent is a load of crap. You have 1) an intentional hit on a goaltender, who by the rules is not fair game 2) that led to a concussion of that player 3) by a player who has been suspended in the past.

Sorry. This isn't the same level of punishment we saw from Shanny in the preseason and early in the season.

The wheel of justice is starting to spin a little...

#2225329 2012 NHL All Star fan ballot released

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 14 November 2011 - 01:15 PM

As usual, I'm guessing only one Red Wing will play in the game.

Well, so far this season Lidstrom is really the only one playing like an All-Star.

#2225326 Ryan Miller's opinion on Milan Lucic

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 14 November 2011 - 01:00 PM

i love miller, but i'm glad lucic hit him. if you're going to leave the crease and play the puck, then i consider you a skater.

The thing is, the league doesn't.

Rule 69.4

A goalkeeper is not “fair game” just because he is outside the goal crease. The appropriate penalty should be assessed in every case where an attacking player makes unnecessary contact with the goalkeeper. However, incidental contact will be permitted when the goalkeeper is in the act of playing the puck outside his goal crease provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such unnecessary contact.


Lucic made no effort to avoid contact with Miller and pretty clearly threw his body into him.

And if you love Miller, I'm guessing you're not too happy about the concussion he has as a result of the illegal hit. And it's his second one in 8 months, which is even worse news.

#2223374 11/5 GDT: Ducks 0 at Red Wings 5

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 06 November 2011 - 11:27 AM

None for Ericsson either. Homer though should have probably gotten a couple points for screening the goalie.

It's too bad Homer didn't come away with a point. He had a great game and was one of the best players on the ice.

#2223288 11/5 GDT: Ducks 0 at Red Wings 5

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 05 November 2011 - 08:38 PM

Homer needs to play every game as long as he's healthy and not tired. He was one of the best players on the ice tonight and was a big factor in keeping the puck deep in the Ducks zone.

Everyone knows how well he screens goaltenders and redirects pucks, but he's so good at digging pucks out of corners and along the boards. It's not pretty, but effective.

#2222967 11/5 GDT: Ducks 0 at Red Wings 5

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 05 November 2011 - 12:26 PM

Bert is sick not being scratched due to his play. Using a soft lineup against the Ducks???? :ranting:

He apparently has some ailment where he can't keep both hands on his stick and uses his free hand to take penalties.

Honestly as craptacular as his play has been, he's hardly alone and it would've been good to have his size against the Ducks today.

Commodore is staying in the for the game tonight. IMO that will be a very good thing against the Ducks. We may need his truculence.

+1 for using "truculence." :P

Go Wings! Go to the f-ing net!!

#2222738 F*** YOU Player X

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 04 November 2011 - 12:48 PM

f*** you, Brian Rafalski, for retiring and apparently being irreplacable on the power play.

Yeah, well f*** you for not venting at the team like the rest of us!!!!!

Beyond just the power play, Rafalski was probably was probably the largest factor in the Wings puck moving defense, with Lids a close second. He may have made the occasional terrible turnover trying a stretch pass up the middle, but more often than not he was successful and kept the forecheckers backed off because the Wings could get behind them with one pass.

#2222702 11/3 GDT: Flames 4 at Red Wings 1

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 04 November 2011 - 10:31 AM

I don't want mindfly back here. He's someone else's headache now. Let him stay that way.

yeah. I was still ticked about the loss and had had a few drinks. :P

getting mindfly back is a horrible idea. he's definitely not making friends over at hfboards...

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[4]

Seems spot on to me. But now we should probably get back on topic...

#2222599 11/3 GDT: Flames 4 at Red Wings 1

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 04 November 2011 - 12:34 AM

YOU don't want Franzen.



Can we trade Crymson and a bag of pucks to get mindfly back? He at least talked hockey most of the time, even it was all negative.

#2222583 F*** YOU Player X

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 03 November 2011 - 11:42 PM

It's gotten to the point where some of this has to fall on Nick Lidstrom's shoulders; he is the Captain, he is the leader, yet this ship looks rudderless and heartless.

There; I said it.

I disagree. And not just because Nick is some hockey god (though I'm pretty certain he actually is). the same was said about Yzerman before the Cup in '97, but a captain can only do so much. Like Yzerman, Nick plays his heart out every game. This last game against the Wild he was really jumping into the play and scored the one friggin goal that game from the slot. Where some forwards should actually have been. And he called for the puck there, like one of our star forwards should have. AND he had a couple great chances jumping into the play practically as a winger. So on top of playing Norris level defense, he's also trying to jumpstart the offense and pick up some of the slack from Rafalski's absence (do people still think Raf was overpaid??).

Nick has adjusted his game to try and help out this flaccid offense. At 41 years old he's playing almost 25 minutes a game. The goal was to get his minutes down, but this team is such a s*** sandwich that he's playing more than he should.

How much more can he do? The Wings don't need an inspirational speech from Nick, most of them need to grow some friggin balls and fear for their jobs and go to the net.

And in the spirit of the thread F*ck you Franzen. the problem runs a lot deeper than you, but no 6'3" 225 lbs forward with as much talent as you have should be as friggin invisible as you've been, or registered as few SOG's.

Is your nickname Mule because you're so stubborn when it comes to doing hard work?

#2221458 This season is over!

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 02 November 2011 - 01:11 AM

Right. Because sarcastic threads like this one are so much better than the reactionary ones after a loss.

The difference is that people making the reactionary threads are at least making a serious attempt to talk about the team, even if the ideas are extreme.

This thread is just trolling.

#2220785 11/1 GDT: Wild 2 at Red Wings 1 (OT)

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 01 November 2011 - 11:45 AM

Everybody caffeine up! We're playing the Wild tonight. :zzz:

We should start a pool on when they go into the 1-2-2. Just after the opening faceoff?

Hopefully the Wings can come out with energy and toughness in spite of the Wild's style of play, which sucks the life out of most hockey games....

And for chrissakes, go hard to the net!!

Go get 'em Nyquist! Show these spoiled veterans how it's done (I'm looking at you Franzen).

And the Jiri Hudler watch continues. How many times have they been down this road with him?

I'm not going to predict anything because they really should have won at least one of the last four (Minny, Columbus were winnable). But if there is a loss here, they're going to have do to a bit more to change things up than scratch the whipping boy.

Hmm, Hudler in the press box?

After not getting a shot on goal in four games, I'm shocked he didn't get put on the top line like some had predicted.

I like Huds overall, but his quotes about being benched were a little annoying. Yes, we get that you're a playmaker, but shouldn't it be clear to you by now the Wings want you to shoot the f-ing puck more??

#2220248 Buyers Remorse

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 30 October 2011 - 12:58 PM

none whatsoever. he's making like half of what ericsson is. and he's probably our third best defenseman. his play has slipped during the losing streak, but so has everyone elses.

He's making 2.875 million to Ericsson's 3.25 million, so $375,000 less than E. Not $1.6 million less.

#2219854 This team screams for a trade

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 29 October 2011 - 06:51 PM

What's interesting, is that at no point in that post, or any post in this thread, did I say that criticism wasn't allowed.

Funny, that.

But please, continue asserting opinions I myself have not asserted.

It tickles me.

I never implied you said "criticism isn't allowed." It's the actions of you and the larger clique that try to shut down criticism by flaming anyone who makes posts that you don't like.

Honestly I don't even think you're one of the big offenders, but you did say the team needs better fans, fans that don't overreact at the drop of af****** hat and told people to calm down, then listed all the things that wouldn't help as if they were fact. Not a huge leap to interpret that as you wishing the suggestions and criticism that's going on lately would stop.

There's getting to be more posts here lecturing people about calming down or how they need to be real fans than there is actual talk about the game lately.