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#2240881 Cole suspended three games

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 02 January 2012 - 08:16 PM

According to Cole, he had Abdelkader lined up but Abdelkader moved at the last moment, exposing only his head to the check.
Those are Cole's words...and the replays back that up as it looks like Abdelkader tries to slide the puck by Cole and slip by him.
That should also be an important detail when discipline is applied. Which brings me back to my statement of the game being too fast to eliminate those types of hits, which is the goal by using suspensions against players who commit those hits. Players need to be aware of where they are on the ice. Abdelkader had his head down as he received a pass from behind in the neutral zone. He has to expect a hit there, like Shanny said. That's a suicide pass.

But whatever, I don't have a problem Cole being suspended as it was a hit to the head and that is the rule...I do have an issue with the number of games. Three seems excessive based on other suspensions this year for the same amount of games or less.

And until there is the same standard for suspensions on star players as there is for lesser known players, the system is severely flawed. The fact it was Datsyuk (annual Lady Byng candidate and superstar player) that threw the hit had a lot to do with him not getting a penalty and not getting a suspension. If Jackman hits Datsyuk like that, he gets a penalty and probably suspended.

And don't tell me that an elbow or shoulder to the head is ok as long as you get the body too. That's simply not the case. If the head targeted and the principal point of contact, it doesn't matter if contact with the body is made. Datsyuk lunged up into Jackman's face, hitting his head with his shoulder. I fail to see how Jackman's head wasn't targeted on that play. The Detroit announcers even said he threw a shoulder to his head.

He had his head down, but picks up Cole at the last second as he tries to slide the puck by Cole and slip by him. That's how it looks to me.
If not, what was he trying to do with the puck if he never saw Cole?

The replays don't back that up.

In Shanny's explanation he clearly says and shows on the replay that Abby's body and head didn't make any significant change in direction or speed just before the hit. Cole may not have had the opportunity to see the replay before he spoke and at the speed at which it happens I can't expect him to know exactly how it played out. You're also omitting the part where Shanny says a player has to expect a good hard body check. Then goes on to say they should not have to expect a deliberate a reckless blow to the head.

With the direction Cole is moving, it's the textbook hit the league is trying to remove. If you're going to try a risky hit like that, the responsibility is on the player making the hit to contact the body.

I think the suspension was a little long given Shanny's current standard (at the beginning of the season this would've been in line), but his explanation as to why Cole was suspended is pretty clear.

As for a shoulder to the head being okay as long as you get the body, actually, that is the case, especially on north-south hits. The head can't just be targeted or the principal point of contact.

NHL rules video on illegal checks to the head

About 2:53 into the video when they start talking about legal hits, they specifically show a legal shoulder check to the head. In the video shown it looks like the elbow contacts the head as well, but it's tucked and the player's head was down, much like Datsyuk's hit, which is why it was legal.

Datsyuk's hit looked worse than it was because his shoulder did contact Jackman's head, and then Jackman acted like a little ***** about it.

#2240555 Slow GDT activity this season

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 01 January 2012 - 03:03 PM

Less good hockey talk, more trolls.

Plus, there's only so much you can retread about a team that been mostly stagnant, roster wise, for years....there's just not much to talk about IMO.

Honestly, this.

The site is going through another phase low on good hockey talk, unfortunately. Add to that the cheerleaders who only want positive posts about the team and the trolls, and it's just not as interesting of a community here lately.

#2240551 Krys Barch.

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 01 January 2012 - 02:46 PM

I would like to learn the players names that said Barch made the slur. That is pretty pathetic to cry like a grade school kid and say HE SAID ....... Get over it racial slurs are said almost day around my area and Im not saying that like im proud of it or anything at all. Maybe its a canadian thing how they like to pretend they are so sensitive to everyone. I say get over it and take care of yourself. If someone is a racist oh well it does not affect you.

Did you even read the original post or the link? A linesman overheard it and skated straight to the bench. To the best of my knowledge no players are crying about anything.

I'm one of the opinion that absolutely nothing should be off-limits so long as it isn't reflected in players' off ice antics. People will always cross the line and there's no way to effectively prevent it. I don't mind it so long as it's an unwritten rule, as it then provides the perfect opportunity for agitators to add another element to the game, and enforcers to police it, but when the league gets involved it's gone too far.

Soon enough you won't be able to use *** as an insult. People still don't understand that athletes, hockey players especially, have different faces, including one that only shows itself on the ice.

What a tragedy that will be. :rolleyes:

It's hilarious that you make this post and your username is league integrity. :lol:

#2238307 Jimmy Howard - "I知 just sick and tired of getting run over.

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 22 December 2011 - 12:39 PM

Yeah I tried to make that clear in my first post, an enforcer is definitely not the solution to this problem but a couple guys who are willing to actually scrap or go after someone would definitely help. This would make the other guys on the team feel a bit tougher knowing someone has their back. Abdelkader is a good complimentary tough player and scrappy guy, but shouldnt be the toughest forward on the team.

All it would take is one guy to mug someone after a play like this, and the whole team would follow suit, it just seems like noone on the wings is willing to be the first guy in because they arent sure if theyll have any backup at all

Hes the type of player that could help. Scrappy and can play decent minutes but not an enforcer. Just a guy who knows when to stick up for his teammates.

With our 4th line center spot being a void I would love to see him in there somehow

Agreed. I was just trying to be extra clear and try and avoid people mistaking this for an enforcer debate. We know how those go. :P

#2238301 Jimmy Howard - "I知 just sick and tired of getting run over.

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 22 December 2011 - 12:31 PM

Thats the problem. The refs dont call it so something needs to be done, I dont even think an enforcer is necessary to fix this problem just bring in some rougher style of players that can deal with this kind of stuff when they need to.

The PP is our enforcer crap didnt enforce anything last night, Howard is the only one that tries to enforce anything on this team. I bet Howard really feels like the team around him has his back now too :thumbdown:

This to me almost seems like Howard, our Vezina calibre goalie, is calling out his team really

Yeah, to be clear, this is not an enforcer issue. It's about whoever is on the ice sticking up for Jimmy when he gets run like that. It's what Babs refers to when he talks about keeping the flies off.

If players know they can take liberties with Howard by running into him and getting in his face, they will. When you make them answer for it, even if the Wings end up taking a penalty there's a good chance the refs also hand out a penalty for what started it all, running Jimmy.

#2238279 Howard > Vokoun

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 22 December 2011 - 11:47 AM

It was never a question of having either/or.

Having him as a backup or 1B goaltender would have been huge. And behind a Detroit system that doesn't have its own head up its ass I think he would do very well. In fact, that would probably be the best goaltending duo in the league, perhaps behind Thomas/Rask.

Either way, it is great to see Howard do so well. Really crazy how people argued that this guy would never make it as a consistent NHL backup, let alone a bona fide starter.

You're spoiling the fun with your reasonable response. This is basically an "I told you so/Holland is perfect!" thread.

Who knows whether Vokoun needed a guarantee or not, but I can't fault the guy for not wanting to come to a team that already had a very solid #1 guy in Howard. Especially given Detroit's handling of goalies in the past. It could've turned into a s***storm for him.

1A 1B with those two would've been awesome though.

As for Howard, it's great that he has become a solid goalie for the Wings and absolutely capable of winning a Cup with the Wings. He was so stellar in college, I think when he didn't tear it up in the AHL it gave people some pause. Then he had some rebound control issues early in his NHL career. But the guy's a stud now.

#2238277 Jimmy Howard - "I知 just sick and tired of getting run over.

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 22 December 2011 - 11:39 AM

From Mlive
Howard has scrapped several times this season with players who have made contact with him.

"Z never pushed him. I watched the replay," Howard said. "Hansen leans into him, he loses his footing, just steamrolls me.

"I’m just sick and tired of getting run over. It’s every single game."

I've always thought that its cool to have Howard who wont back down from anyone and has a couple scrappy moments to his name with the wings, but this is starting to get ridiculous.

The goalie on a hockey team should not be the one always defending himself and his teammates. The fact that Howard is the one that has went after the most guys for hitting him on the team is pathetic really. A guy nails him last night, gets up and has the guts to hit Lidstrom and Howard is the only one that will do something about it.

Its clearly bugging Howard if he went to the press about it. Its time this team started sticking up for its goalie. In hockey that is your number 1 priority, you are taught that from day 1. Even if the players thought Z pushed hansen in last night, as soon as Howard went after the guy, the whole team should've been in there to show their goalie theyve got his back and that we'll defend you just worry about stopping pucks.

Last year it happened with the San Jose guys snowing him, he was the only one who did anything to Crosby, this year he already went after Perron and Hansen. Its embarrassing really


The Wings should be making guys pay a price for being around the net in general, but at the very least if someone runs their goalie they should absolutely have to answer for it.

It's cool to see Jimmy so fired up about it, but sad that he has to go Hextall on guys because no one else will help him out. He's been a rock for this team all season. They should have his back.

#2238274 12/21 GDT : Red Wings 2 at Canucks 4

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 22 December 2011 - 11:30 AM

Either way, Vancouver is once again proving themselves the whiniest friggin team in the league.

I sort of hope Kesler will end up on another team. Hopefully in a different environment with better leadership he'd cut out the antics and focus on his game.

#2238256 12/21 GDT : Red Wings 2 at Canucks 4

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 22 December 2011 - 10:23 AM

point of contact

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aaaaand what canucks fans see

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To me it's another Kronwall borderline hit. He does the exploding upward thing, when he really doesn't need to. He would've crushed Kesler even without the jump.

And my guess is the league is going to be cracking down on these exploding up hits, as it targets a lot of energy towards a player's head. They've already suspended someone this season for a very similar hit where his skates were technically on the ice at the point of contact (can't think of who right now because I haven't had coffee). In Shanny's video for that suspension he points out that even though the skates were on the ice at contact, the height they reached during the hit showed too much of a leap.

Honestly I think this should've been a two minute penalty in the game. I have no idea what Shanny will do, and have little sympathy for Kesler when he decided to turn little ***** for the rest of the game. Overall I'd prefer Kronner get better at keeping his skates on the ice so these hits are squeaky clean, because he'll still crush the guy that way.

#2238205 12/21 GDT : Red Wings 2 at Canucks 4

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 22 December 2011 - 12:54 AM

I guess people are really thick headed.
You know he's from Detroit right?

And Lucic is from Vancouver. Big fan?

#2237860 12/21 GDT : Red Wings 2 at Canucks 4

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 21 December 2011 - 10:00 PM

The world is good as long as the Canucks don't have a cup.

I'm confused. Based on how their fans were acting at the time I thought they won the Cup last December.

#2237768 12/21 GDT : Red Wings 2 at Canucks 4

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 21 December 2011 - 12:23 PM

I hate the Nucks. They are worse divers than the Sharks. Do they have anyone likeable on that team?

Actually I would argue they're better at diving than the Sharks. :D


I can't imagine why anyone would dislike the Canucks. They're such a classy team. :lol:

#2237249 12/19 GDT : Red Wings 3 at Oilers 2

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 19 December 2011 - 07:21 PM

Aren't we playing the Oilers??

#2237133 The Official NHL Suspension Thread

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 18 December 2011 - 09:53 PM

I love when spot pickers (Horton) gets their ass handed to them after trying to spot pick.

As for Lucic, he probably will get a game or two after most of the GMs voiced their displeasure at how SHanny handled the previous Lucic incident.


Honestly 5 and a game is probable enough for that hit. But Lucic should be a repeat offender and it's a chance for Shanny to right his wrong on the Miller hit. I wonder if the explanation for letting Lucic off there is Shanny doesn't really believe in the rule about goalies not being hit out of the crease. Because whether people agree with the rule or not, miller was not eligible to be hit, there was clear intent, a blow to the head, and it resulted in injury. That pretty much covers all the criteria for suspension.

I liked Lucic when he first came into the league, hoping he would be a power forward in the mold of someone like Shanahan. But the dirty hits, taunting, spot picking is all starting to pile up for me.

#2237078 12/17 GDT : Kings 2 at Red Wings 8

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 18 December 2011 - 01:43 PM

I don't care enough about the Kings to go research them and who's who. My bad. Won't do it again!

It wasn't a criticism of you. You'd hope the people at the Free Press posting the photo would get it right. they didn't.