Modano a better skater than LaFontaine? You get a big fat <HELL NO> stamp on that one. LaFontaine, not Modano, is who you should be applying that "as well as any player in hockey history" tag to. Modano had raw speed. LaFontaine had better speed than Modano, and he had ridiculous ability to change direction unexpectedly at full speed. People talk about the way Bure could skate; LaFontaine did it first. Modano was never able to do that kind of stuff at full speed.
As for other skills; okay, I left out his slap shot. As for his backhand, I don't know that I would rank it "best of all-time" but that is beside the point. Whether he can fire a puck over 90 m.p.h., perfectly place a backhand, or use psychic powers to will the puck from center ice into the net without any player making contact, none of it means he WAS a better player unless it helped him score more goals. In 634 more games, Modano scored 561 goals - 93 more goals than LaFontaine's 468.
You say that LaFontaine got his numbers because of the 80s. Well, how about this? At www.hockey-reference.com you can view neat statistics called adjusted goals/assists/points. They are adjusted to account for the difference in scoring in a given season to a base goals-per-game average of 6. Using this, Modano still ends up scoring fewer goals per game, although the gap is smaller. Modano is also still under a point per game, while LaFontaine is still over.
Longevity matters, but both players played for such a long time that it's not a logical argument to say "Modano played a bunch more years at a lower level, so he's better." because that would be like saying Steve Yzerman is better than Mario Lemieux because Yzerman had more points and was better defensively.
I also realized while looking at the numbers that I had forgotten another American player who was better than Modano. Brian Leetch. And Jeremy Roenick could easily be included as well. Or maybe Joe Mullen. Possibly Phil Housley.
I'll have to remember this for the next time an Osgood HHOF argument breaks out; Original Six goalies are now worthless, due to the fact there were only six teams. Welcome to the Hall, Guy Hebert, Arturs Irbe, and Jocelyn Thibault!
Your posts almost make me regret defending Osgood when people were diminishing his accomplishments in the thread about his retirement.
I guess I'll have to wait until Hudler goes back to Europe in a few years, then in his farewell thread I can talk about all the players who were much better than him.
"Shelley hit Boyce squarely from behind into the glass," NHL senior vice president for player safety Brendan Shanahan said of the second-period hit. "Boyce's back was turned toward Shelley well before the contact, requiring that Shelley avoid or minimize the check. He did neither.
"Shelley's two suspensions last season weighed heavily in this decision," Shanahan added.
Shelley was suspended twice last season for four games and is considered a repeat offender under the league's collective bargaining agreement. He was also fined $67,073, which will be paid into the Players' Emergency Assistance Fund.
I honestly think this is a great start for Shanny. 10 games seemed harsh at first, but this was such a clear hit from behind that could have easily been avoided. When there's as little grey area in what happened as a hit like this, I think the league should come down hard.
I don't want to jump the gun, but here's hoping there's no more Campbell Wheel of Justice.
From what I have watched (every game since 2006), Kindl is far more sound than Erickson. I have seen the typical rookie mistakes, but it says a lot when I feel way more confident when Kindl is back there. He's not overly physical, but he gets back as a serviceable skater, protects the puck, and makes quick sharp passes out of the zone. When was the last time anyone saw Big Rig have a quick sharp pass on the tape? On the other note- I dont know how Smith will take the job of Kindl if they are going to be in 2 different leagues this year. Smith can still be sent down, and will be in order to get top-pairing in the AHL and 20+ minutes a night. Kindl will most likely rotate in and out with whoever is sucking more- Big Rig or Commodore.
To the larger topic at hand- I am still drinking the KennyKoolAid. If your largest mistakes as GM are named Cory Cross, Quincy, Hatcher, and the current Big Rig contract, then you are still by FAR the best GM in Hockey. I hope to see Erickson improve- I really do. However, I gave up on him last season. There were too many times that he just stagnated, and I just do not see the faith being fulfilled. If only someone would find out what he was eating during the Anaheim series, and feed him that from now on it may end up being alright. But as I said before- I do not believe at this point that I will be seeing that defenseman any time soon.
This line of reasoning always confuses me.
Kindl is "far more sound" than Ericsson, yet Babcock inexplicably only plays him 13 minutes a game in 48 games. Whereas Ericsson plays the full season at almost 19 minutes per game. And Kindl didn't see a second of playoff time. If he's far more sound, why would the Red Wings utilize him that way? They had Salei battling with Kindl for the final spot, so it's not like they're going to give it to Ericsson just on experience or reputation. And as you mentioned, Holland gives Ericsson a big raise, in spite of having a more sound player in the minors ready to fill his role?
Those are some pretty terrible decisions by Babcock and Holland if what you're saying was true.
The reality is Kindl is not more sound than Ericsson. That's not to say he won't develop and become that. But so far, he just isn't. More than anything, Kindl needs to prove himself and secure a permanent spot in the lineup. Then we'll see how he develops.
Not sure i understand. I don't think anyone thinks what bert done wasn't absolutely the stupidest thing he or pretty much anyone has done on the ice in the nhl. But the question is. When is enough enough if in fact this is a new case against him and if he has already paid money out to moore.
I don't think it's that hard to understand. People are cutting Bert a lot more slack now that he's a Red Wing.
And I don't think this is a new lawsuit, or that Bertuzzi has paid any damages to Moore at this point.
Everything I've read just refers to Moore's lawsuit finally getting a court date. Nothing about it being new.
It's an extremely misleading thread title by the OP. The first part of the article he linked to says:
A civil case pitting former NHL player Steve Moore against Todd Bertuzzi(notes) and the Vancouver Canucks could finally see the inside of a courtroom late next year.
The target date for the Ontario Superior Court trial to begin if necessary is Sept. 24, 2012 if Bertuzzi is still an active player, and Oct. 22 if he’s not, according to court documents viewed by CBC.
Court-ordered mediation between the sides has failed to lead to a settlement.
YAROSLAVL, Russia— They came by the tens of thousands to mourn, from world leaders to ice hockey stars to ordinary Russians, with flowers and tears and aching hearts.
An estimated 100,000 people flocked to a memorial ceremony Saturday in the western city of Yaroslavl for the victims of the Russian plane crash that devastated a top ice hockey team.
"For the first time in my life, I had trouble entering an ice arena," Vyacheslav Fetisov, a former NHL star who is chairman of the Kontinental Hockey League, said at the ceremony. "It's an inexplicable tragedy."
The whole point of the conference was Crosby and doctors talking about Crosby. If that's not the Crosby Show, I don't know what is.
All for: "I don't know when I'm coming back."
No one outside of Pittsburgh gives a s*** about him today. Dozens of hockey players died, leaving behind families and friends forever. Sidney is having headaches and might not play for a few months, or maybe he will. The conference was a whole lot of nothing being announced, while they're still pulling the bodies of hockey players out of the Volga.
Just wait one day; how tough would that have been?
He's not just "having headaches." He has a brain injury.
One could also argue that in light of today's tragedy, maybe we should all take a break from hating on players for petty reasons.