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#2041000 Ritola will be traded or waived

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 05 October 2010 - 10:20 PM

If I have 10 good defensemen, but I only get to keep 8, does that mean I only think those 8 are good?

Ummm... no?

That wasn't the argument I made. You keep the ones you think are or will become NHL defenseman. Holland may have thought Quincey was good, but apparently not good enough to cut it as a defenseman in the NHL. And we're not talking about bottom pairing. He plays 20+ minutes a night.

#2040996 Ritola will be traded or waived

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 05 October 2010 - 10:16 PM

What a dumb comment. I never even mentioned Holland in my post.

Even though you behave as if someone has, you actually haven't been given the position of judging all posts here at LGW.

Quincey was limited to ~six minutes per night, he never had to face any challenging situations, and he never did anything significant.

Nice delusional post. He never faced any challenging situations? do you realize how ridiculous of a statement that is? how could a defenseman in a playoff game never face a challenging situation. It just demonstrates how far gone you are when it comes to this subject. Inventing some version of the games where Quincey apparently just got to skate around there with no worries because he was coddled.

And he played 8 minutes a game in the postseason we're talking about. If you're going to be a condescending ass, at least get your facts right.

Quincey was limited to ~six minutes per night, he never had to face any challenging situations, and he never did anything significant.

Again, he played more than six minutes per night. But don't let the facts get in the way of your condescension and revisionist history.

Well, let's see. He played much better during the defensive injury spell of '08, when both of them had the chance to really show what they had. In fact, he played so well and was so involved that the Wings petitioned (successfully) to have his name added to the Cup that year. Quincey, meanwhile, was nearly invisible. He was badly outplayed by both Ericsson and Meech. By all accounts, Meech also had a far better training camp the next summer than Quincey did.

By the accounts that he didn't make the team. That's kind of circular reasoning.

Meech is waived, Quincey is an NHL defenseman. It's hilarious you don't think maybe holland missed something there.

And yes, the fact that Quincey did not make the team was indeed his own fault. That's pretty much exactly what I said.

I realize it's what you said. Because you can't fathom that holland made a mistake. His job is to recognize latent talent in players. Of course a lot of the fault goes with Quincey, but it's Holland's too.

Yeah, and you use hindsight to whine about Holland releasing him. That very senseless. I imagine that your very weak arguments about Quincey's supposed quality play back then are only intended to give you some base on which to whine.

I don't really understand your point here, but you're the one who has revised Quincey's play. He didn't win a spot, but you make it sound like he was a disaster out there and the Wings had to hide him on the bench.

Funny how you didn't address that pretty much any good coach would try to keep their bottom pairing away from the other team's top line, especially a rookie. That has nothing to do with Quincey's play.

Hopefully Ritola won't become another Quincey. If he does though, I'm sure you'll have plenty of posts about how it was all Ritola's fault.

#2040169 10/3 Pre-season GDT: Pittsburgh Penguins at Red Wings

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 03 October 2010 - 06:34 PM

What are the D pairs? I thought kronwall and lidstrom were gonna play together?

A 6th D must be physical and take care of his own end, Ericsson does neither, i'm just stating the facts.

Those are just blanket statements, not actually facts. By your criteria we should get rid of Lidstrom and Rafalski as well because they don't meet both criteria.

Glad that one is over. Glad the preseason is over as well.

Looking forward to Friday.


Thank god the season is finally starting!!

#2040148 10/3 Pre-season GDT: Pittsburgh Penguins at Red Wings

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 03 October 2010 - 06:12 PM

are you watching ericsson today, or this preseason for that matter?


Did you notice how there was the word preseason in your question?

He hasn't looked great, but I'd rather he make stupid mistakes like he just did with Malkin here in the preseason, so hopefully he learns from that mistake and doesn't do it in the regular season.

Basically it doesn't mean much to me how guys look in the preseason because it's just that. The games mean nothing and it's not the real lineups. Most teams and coaches are in experimental mode.

So call me crazy, but I plan to wait until the regular season to see how he's doing before I start blaming him for everything.

#2040134 10/3 Pre-season GDT: Pittsburgh Penguins at Red Wings

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 03 October 2010 - 06:06 PM

Seriously, it's not even the regular season and ericsson is already the whipping boy and we're back to Osbad.

This place is so pathetic sometimes.

#2040055 10/3 Pre-season GDT: Pittsburgh Penguins at Red Wings

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 03 October 2010 - 05:21 PM

I say he will get the Osgood treatment once is all said and done.

It'll be interesting to see, because he's more talented than Ozzy and has the potential to be great. But Ozzy is a lot more consistent. I think Ozzy outplayed Fleury in both Cup finals, especially the first one.

#2040035 10/3 Pre-season GDT: Pittsburgh Penguins at Red Wings

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 03 October 2010 - 05:08 PM

Pens player standing untouched in front of Osgood. That is sooooo last season...

#2040022 10/3 Pre-season GDT: Pittsburgh Penguins at Red Wings

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 03 October 2010 - 05:01 PM

Jeez, the Wings are playing almost as if this game doesn't mean anything.

#2039826 Wings release Aaron Downey

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 03 October 2010 - 11:17 AM

I dont know about that. The team we had in 09 probably should've won but they were worn down physically. If we had more physical presence and balance on the team we could've worn Pittsburg down and their advantage would not have been as huge.

Even if you look at Mccarty as a bottom 6 grinder who fights on occasion, the wings have always had a guy capable of enforcing on the team because Mac was that guy. If you don't call him an enforcer fine, but he was for sure a capable and willing guy who could enforce

Agreed. It's like with Shanny. He was far from an enforcer, but he wouldn't hesitate to drop the gloves to stick up for his teammates.

As a 39 year old, he fought Brashear after the goon elbowed Jagr and was taking other cheapshots at the Rangers. It was mostly a hugfest and Shanny pretty much lost the fight, but the crowd and his teammates were on their feet applauding. people don't see how that means something?

Like when Lappy nailed Lidstrom and then Downey fought him. Same thing. People still talk about it. And it's not just something for the fans. It helps the team. Your captain just got rocked. Imagine if nothing happened and they let the power play be their enforcer. Your team leader had to get helped off the ice and injured his knee. It's demoralizing as a player just like it is as a fan to watch that happen and just take it. While it doesn't prevent it, laying a beating absolutely means something for team morale and chemistry.

#2039812 Canucks Hordichuk on waivers

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 03 October 2010 - 10:57 AM

Inb4 enforcer debate.

Another thread to be overrun by Enforcer Groupies.

The enforcer threads would probably be shorter if you guys didn't chime in with trolling crap like this.

And no, I don't want Hordichuk on the Wings.

#2039807 Cammalleri thrown out of game

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 03 October 2010 - 10:50 AM

Yeah... doesn't matter what provokes it, if you want to fight a guy, fight him, this kind of bulls*** is just cowardly and classless.

Not just the achilles slash, but he tries two slashes to the neck area before that.

No room for this stuff in hockey. Its preseason for chrissake. Suspend this kid, please. I have absolutely no respect for people who get so frustrated they resort to this kind of bush league behavior.

Pathetic, Cammalleri... you just made my s*** list.

Kid? He's 28 years old. :P

Which actually makes it worse. He's been in the league long enough and should know better. Taken separately they might let this slide, but considering the pokes to the neck area and then the BC two-hander to the leg, a suspension wouldn't be surprising.

It wouldn't be a bad idea for the league to send a message early for that kind of crap.

#2039799 Wings release Aaron Downey

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 03 October 2010 - 10:33 AM

So basically, you're arguing against something you believe yourself on a technicality. Anyone can tell we had a team capable of winning the Cup in 09. That does, whether you want to admit it or not, prove that it can be done.

We have people who can fight. Everyone on the team can fight, in fact. Just not particularly well. Not much different at all from any of the past 15 years, considering we've been one of the softest teams in the league over that span.

If we do win the Cup it will be funny to see Abby being labeled an enforcer for fighting (and probably losing) six times this year.

I'm not gonna argue that you need an enforcer to win a Cup, but your reasoning doesn't prove anything. Because in your opinion the Wings had a team capable of winning the Cup and they didn't have an enforcer, that somehow proves that you don't need an enforcer to win the Cup??

They didn't win the cup, so it proves nothing. It's all just speculation on your part.

Abby is definitely not an enforcer. He's not afraid to muck it up if someone gets after him when he throws a hit, but he can barely handle himself at the NHL level. He's young, so maybe he'll improve, but even then he's not an enforcer. He'll hopefully be a good player who isn't afraid to drop the gloves, which is good.

And if you're going back 15 years, there were a number of guys who could fight well. McCarty, Lapointe, Grimson, Shanahan, Kocur, Pushor, Fischer. There's guys on the team from that era who would beat the snot out of anyone on the current Wings roster. And plenty of other guys who would fight on occasion and could handle themselves. So if you're comparing the two eras, it's pretty different now than it was then.

The current roster has a few guys who are willing to drop the gloves, but none who are particularly good at it. Bert has probably had his one fight for the season already. Ericsson rag dolling a gutless puke like Perry does not make him a good fighter. Then there's Abby, Eaves, Cleary.

Last season the Wings had 19 fights. 10 of which were from Brad May. If Holland knows what he's doing and apparently doesn't believe in enforcers, it's odd how he keeps trying to add guys like May and Downey to the lineup.

And as I said before, it's ridiculous to measure adding an enforcer against whether that one element will win us the Cup. Hockey is obviously a more complex game than that. And this is pretty much the only debate that the standard for adding that kind of player is there has to be definitive proof it will lead the Wings to the Cup. It's absurd.

IMO - Maltby was more effective in his role as an agitator when he had guys like McCarty, or Kocur out there with him.

He absolutely was.

It's not a coincidence that his level of agitating dropped off as those guys were no longer on the team.

#2039796 Hawks lose part of their CORE for a month

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 03 October 2010 - 10:11 AM

Ouch. It is a tough break for Campbell. The collar bone last season, now this to start off the new season.

I guess he can take some consolation in the fact he's grossly overpaid. He'll be well paid for rehabbing that knee.

#2038464 Wings release Aaron Downey

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 30 September 2010 - 09:33 AM

The enforcer debates get ridiculous because it gets so overstated by both sides.

Of course an enforcer is not going to somehow guarantee you'll go further in the playoffs, or clearly prevent injuries. But the thing is, players and coaches sure seem to like having guys in the lineup who will stick up for teammates and help prevent crap that happens after the whistle "to keep the flies off" as Babcock puts it.

It's silly to pretend that's not a facet of the game, and a legitimate one. The ideal is someone who can play and fight, which Downey sure isn't. As I've said before, Holland makes a token gesture to pick a player up off the scrap heap who will fight. those guys are never going to be particularly talented, and likely not even great fighters.

#2034197 Hawks trying to deal Huet

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 18 September 2010 - 10:59 AM

I love that they signed Huet and Campbell on the same day a few seasons ago. Really a banner day for Chicago management. :thumbup: