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#2536314 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 16 September 2014 - 02:58 PM


Holland has shown a history of paying for potential (See: Kronwall, Filpulla) with hopes that the player grows into the contract. This is a fact.  


Obviously the Holland haters are hoping that Kenny offered him 100 dollars/year so that they can be even angrier at the man.


But the truth of the matter is, DD's agent is most likely asking for 4M/per.


Like I said, with Holland's mostly spotless history of dealing with RFAs, ypu have to think that the friction is coming from the DeKeyser camp.


You take a potshot at Holland haters but follow it with your own completely unfounded comment about Dekeyser asking for $4 mill a year.


Unless you have a source for that?


For all we know after the mistake he made with Kindl's contract, Holland could be playing it more conservatively with RFA D-men.


The actual truth of the matter is we have no idea what's going on with Dekeyser's contract negotiations.  It's between Holland and his agent.  


What I do know is that Dekeyser has quickly become a crucial part of the Wings defense and I sure hope they get him signed ASAP.

#2536000 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 11 September 2014 - 05:26 PM


Problem is, you're going to pay Kindl one way or another and waiving him only gets you minimal cap relief.  It's not a situation like Samuelsson where you waive him and only have to pay for the remainder of the season.  In Kindl's case you'd be paying for 3 more years. 


Best case scenario you start him on the third pair, and second PP.  Hopefully he can produce (initially) at the pace he did a couple years ago and he'll have some trade value.  Right now he's got no trade value and he's too expensive to demote. 


Good point.  I always forget the cap space rules when you waive a player.  And a trade seems unlikely unless he's packaged with a valuable player. 



I completely agree that Quincey gets way more flack than he deserves on this board. He is a solid defenseman, he is just often times confused with the offensive game he showed in LA and Colorado, which he is not.


I'm not in any way, shape or form trying to defend Kindl. I want him off this roster as much as the next guy but what people tend to forget is that he is still relatively young in terms of Red Wing defenseman standards. He is 27 years old, 3 years younger than Ericsson. Does anyone remember the outrage on this board three years ago when Ericsson signed that new contract? There is still plenty of room for Kindl to grow, I just think he is running out of time. There are plenty of hungry kids that will pass him on the depth chart within the next couple seasons.


Also, I wouldn't say he has NO trade value at this point. I do think his value to other teams may be very minimal, but I do believe he could garner at least a mid to late round draft pick.


I personally think he's already out of time.  With 230 or so NHL games under his belt, I just don't see him improving much.  He's been battling for a bottom pairing spot all of his career.  With his skill set and size, he should've established himself by now. 


It's what makes Kindl so annoying for me.  Kindl is as big or bigger than everyone on the Wings except Ericsson and Franzen, but he plays like he's Rafalski sized and will bail on making a play to avoid getting hit. 

#2535997 Ericsson and Alfredsson not 100%

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 11 September 2014 - 05:17 PM

Less talk about this forum and people whining.  More talk about the actual topic please. 

#2535821 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 09 September 2014 - 08:39 PM


From the article: General manager Ken Holland kept a promise he made to Cleary during last year's training camp by re-signing him, a move met with overwhelming disapproval by the fan base. But Holland and coach Mike Babcock are big supporters of Cleary.



I have to say, I find it interesting how so many people s*** all over Holland for the Cleary signing, but you never hear a bad thing about Babcock when its pretty evident that Babcock wanted the signing as well.


Dont get me wrong, I wish Holland never made Cleary the promise he did last year, but it is what it is.


Really?  Multiple times in many threads people have placed most of the blame on Babcock, saying he fought for Cleary to be here.  


Babcock is obviously a fan.  Cleary is fearless and goes to the net like few players on the Wings do.  Multiple times it's been cited that Babcock, the players, and Holland wanted Cleary back.  But Holland is the one ultimately responsible for the roster. 


Also, please don't circumvent the profanity filter.

#2535374 potential team names for las vegas!

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 02 September 2014 - 11:54 AM

They should probably pick the name based on the most likely Canadian market the team will move to after being a financial disaster for years. 

#2535190 potential team names for las vegas!

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 29 August 2014 - 03:59 PM

The Las Vegas Regrets™

#2534635 Trial date set in Steve Moore’s lawsuit against Todd Bertuzzi

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 20 August 2014 - 03:22 PM

I feel like they made them believe that a deal was in place so they could spin it to the media that it's all a lie and Steve is too fragile to handle the media. Seems all too convenient to me. Probably a tactic to squeeze more out of them.


Well, there's zero evidence of that.  If we're spinning completely baseless scenarios then it's equally likely that Bertuzzi's lawyers falsely said they had a settlement in order to make Moore's camp look like the bad guys for keeping this from being resolved. 


The reality is, no one knows what is actually going on in this circus.  But man the NHL should've made this go away long ago.  

#2534586 Candiens, P.K. Subban agree to 8 year contract

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 19 August 2014 - 07:43 PM

@theScore: Kovalev is unsure why P.K. Subban is worth $72M: 'He plays like he did on streets as a child.' http://t.co/GoV5aINrNn http://t.co/AFKZPl1Rq8



It's pretty hilarious that Kovalev of all people would call out a player.  Especially the part about scoring 5 goals but allowing 5 goals.  Maybe check your career +/- there Alex.  The guy embodied the lazy Russian stereotype when he played.  


I guess he's not been getting enough attention lately? 

#2534277 Hockey 101: Zone exits for wingers

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 14 August 2014 - 05:39 PM

Here's a good article by Justin Bourne that touches on something the Wings definitely need to get better at--zone exits.  It sounds like it's one in a series he'll be writing on them. 


For those who aren't familiar with him, Bourne is a former minor-leaguer who breaks downs of some of the finer points of the game in an entertaining way.  It usually makes for a great read and illuminates aspects that a casual fan might overlook. 




While everyone plays an important role in getting the puck out of the zone, the onus usually falls on the winger to make the crucial play that determines whether your team’s heading on a rush, or doomed to a shift hemmed in your own zone.


A common mistake of wingers (well, of almost every forward) is giving in to their desire to get ahead of the play. You know where the play is headed, so you might as well get there, right?

Well, no. By playing higher in the D-zone on breakouts, you put yourself into traffic, which gives you less time to make a play, forces the D-man to make a harder pass, and puts you first in the queue of players due to get Kronwalled.

So, get low, open up, and pivot towards the boards.




Watching both the Wings and Kings, it's striking how much better the Kings are at exiting their zone, even under pressure.  They usually have great puck support and guys and often make it look routine. 

#2534262 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 14 August 2014 - 02:29 PM


I disagree with that statement. Just getting in the playoffs because the Kings have won it twice as lower seeds doesn't mean that's all it takes. The Red Wings, even completely healthy, don't have anywhere near the talent level right now to compete with the elite teams in the league. Some puck luck and health doesn't get them past Boston in the first round. 


I'm not that upset Holland is back (besides the term), but just making the playoffs is one of the problems with Holland at the moment. I don't believe that's something to celebrate when efforts aren't being made to get the team out of that middling position. 


Agreed. It's a huge misperception some people have about the Kings because of their playoff seeding.  It overlooks just how good that roster is, as well as the moves they made to improve it. 


The Kings have tremendous players like Kopitar, Doughty, Quick. A sniper like Jeff Carter (who's also very good defensively).  Talented rookies like Pearson and Toffoli.  Solid role players.  They're big, physical, have guys with speed.  PLUS they made the deadline acquisition of Gaborik, who had 14 goals and 22 points in 26 playoff games.


With all that going for them, they still had epic battles through every round of the playoffs against great teams.

#2534258 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 14 August 2014 - 02:11 PM


I dunno, harold. I think over the course of this five year drought we've always been a couple key pieces away from seriously competing for the Cup. At the same time, our prospect cupboards were empty, and the brain trust has done a really good job of re-stocking. Right now we have one of the better prospect pools in the league, and I think we're still just a couple key pieces away from being a serious contender, because we still have Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Kronwall, Franzen. I think that's rebuilding on the fly. Over the course of a few years you remain competitive, maybe trying for a UFA home run here and there - but the focus is on keeping the competitive core while building up a solid stable of very promising young players that will hopefully complement that core and one day take over. Nyquist, Tatar, Sheahan, Jurco have broken through, Smith and DeKeyser should take big steps forward this season, and we're also looking at four or five very good D prospects waiting in the wings, Anthony Mantha being no more than a year away, and our goalie of the future spending his final season as a Griffin.


I (want to) believe Ken Holland has been doing what he's been doing for good reason and that the past few years of "futility" are going to pay off in a big way.


Admittedly I don't know a ton about our prospects. Historically though people here tend to talk like they are all going to make the roster and contribute in a significant way when the reality is that most prospects don't shake out. 


My big problem is that even if the Wings are a couple key pieces away from a serious Cup run, Holland isn't landing them and is content to sign some aging vet (and likely former Wing) to fill that hole.  The Nyquist situation was absolutely ridiculously and hurt the team.


I think Babcock has done a tremendous job given the mish mash of spare parts he's had to work with over the last few seasons, partly due to injury and partly due to Kenny.  

#2534256 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 14 August 2014 - 01:50 PM


Best post in this thread.  I agree 100%.


Yes, I am not happy with Holland's lack of success when it comes to luring free agents.  At the same time though, he has kept us competitive.  We continue to make the playoffs, and people forget that a year ago, we took the cup champs to 7 games and had them on the ropes up 3 games to 1.  The cup champions last season were #6 in the western conference.  Making the playoffs, being healthy, and getting some puck luck is really all it takes to win the cup these days. 


For those of you who want to see Holland gone, I would challenge you to find a GM that is better on the market right now.  I see no reason to ditch Holland now in exchange for someone unknown or unproven.


I know I am happy with the work he has done in the past, and even though the Wings haven't won the cup or been to the cup finals since 2009, I am good with this signing.


That's a pretty easy challenge for you to win considering you never really know who is on the market as a GM until they take a job somewhere.  :lol:

#2534248 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 14 August 2014 - 12:20 PM


Its not like the guy scheduled a two week vacation to the moon and skipped free agency the last few years.  There's plenty of info that suggests he kicked a ton of tires, made several intriguing offers, and in most cases those players chose not to come here for various reasons.  He's not soley to blame for our recent downturn.  You don't lose people like Lidstrom, Rafalski, and Osgood and replace them all right away...in some cases you may never be able to replace talent like that.


Holland's job is extremely difficult but all that matters are the actual results, not how many tires he kicked. 


Dan Cleary tries as hard or harder than anyone on the team but I don't see people giving him a free pass because of all the plays he tried to make but failed.


And Holland should have been working on a transition plan for Lidstrom's retirement for years.  Him participating in the ridiculous Suter sweepstakes was a pretty good indication that he didn't have one.  The reality is you don't replace Nick Lidstrom.  You have to reevaluate and restructure the entire team.  Holland keeps making moves like it's 2008.

#2534213 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 14 August 2014 - 09:22 AM

Honestly, I'm disappointed.  


Holland has pretty clearly run out of ideas these last few seasons, so I don't have a lot of hope for significant changes to rebuild the franchise over the next 4 years.  


Who knows though. Maybe he'll finally realize the crap he's done lately isn't working? Maybe??  



If I were Babcock I'd start looking to other teams.

#2534119 Who is YOUR most under-appreciated/unsung Red Wing?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 12 August 2014 - 05:33 PM


And of the Pens 2009 Cup run.  If I ever see Brad Stuart anywhere, I'll do this.......








I liked Lapointe.  Good checker, great in the playoffs, cool goatee and the ladies loved him.


Then he went to Boston and robbed them of lots of money.  


Yes, yes, I know.  The Wings lost the Cup because of Stuart.  Or was it because of not suspending Malkin?  I can never remember which.  It surely couldn't have been that they got outplayed by a hungrier team. 


By pinning the Cup loss on Stuart, you're kinda making my point.  He's definitely an underappreciated Wings player.