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#2531671 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 11 July 2014 - 06:29 PM

Speaking of not valuing fans.....


This from Art Regner's latest article:







The guy could just give two s***s about the fanbase. 


I don't have a problem with him not worrying about the fans reactions.  Who knows what the team would look like if he listened to us fanatics. 


It bothers me that he puts it on the players and coach and deflects responsibility for the decision.  He's the friggin GM.  He not only has final say, he should be pretty damn good at assessing players as well. 

#2531556 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 11 July 2014 - 01:01 PM

The NTC doesn't matter.  Who would want Cleary anyway?


You're probably right.  But it's something GM's throw in that usually goes along in exchange for a lower salary.  Holland hands them out like mints after dinner.

#2531545 Tom Renney could be leaving, too.

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 11 July 2014 - 12:15 PM


I wonder if the assistant coaches know Babcock isnt coming back next year already.

They are securing jobs now rather than wait till the new head coach shows up, and hires his own assistant coaches??


At the very least, I think the uncertainty about Babcock's future as coach of the Red Wings would have to factor in to some coaches and players' decisions about the Wings. 

#2531516 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 11 July 2014 - 10:44 AM

CapGeek ‏@capgeek 52s

Dan Cleary's bonus is $1 million for 10 games played. #RedWings


This s*** just gets more and more comical, Dano is going to make 2.5 million next year :lol:




so basically if he makes the team, he gets paid $2.5 million. 


This is just...  wow.

#2531504 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 11 July 2014 - 10:00 AM


Hmmm, that feels a little like a baiting reply to me...


Nowhere in my post did I say I'm hoping Cleary will get injured.  I'm just flat out predicting that he will & it will happen early in the season.  Too much of a history of injuries the past handful of seasons & way too many miles.  I'll go on the record in fact on how I think this plays out...


  • Around the week of 9/15, we'll start seeing media reports of Cleary not skating due to groin soreness
  • He'll try to go in the last pre-season game in Boston or maybe 2 of the last 3 and skate like his age matches his jersey #.  Yes, I'm assuming Alfie will be back so Dan will not skate like he's 11.
  • Despite struggling in the 1 or 2 pre-season games he appears in, he'll still make the team & Jurco winds up in GR.  I'll save this rant until another time but my theory is Cleary making the team has much more to do with Babcock than Kenny.
  • Danny looks terrible to start the season & after 3-4 games (around 10/15-17) we start seeing commentary on him being a warrior for playing through either what is thought to be a sports hernia or complications with his knees again.  HSJ will be the one leading the pack on those reports.
  • After a rather lopsided loss to either the Canadiens or the Pens the week of 10/21 where Cleary checks in with at least a -3 for the night with a couple of particularly boneheaded turnovers, he's put on the DL & Jurco is recalled.  
  • He tries to make an early return right after Thanksgiving & only lasts a few games before heading back to the DL.
  • Trade deadline day rolls around, there's no action from the Wings, & the board goes crazy when "The return of a healthy Dan Cleary and ... are our deadline acquisitions" ("and ..." being one of the following: Zetterberg, Datsyuk, or Franzen, my money's on Franzen) comes out of the mouth of Holland.  Much weeping & gnashing of teeth ensues.  

So in actuality, I'm hoping everyone stays healthy.  Given past history though, I'm expecting that won't happen & in Cleary's case, I'm expecting it to happen fairly quickly.  



Ok, let me be clear. 


I think choosing an injured player, let alone an injured Red Wings player, is in poor taste.  Then when you make a post predicting that same player will get injured, taken along with your avatar picture it sure seems like you're hoping for it.  Or at least would enjoy it if it did happen. 


Because I'm not sure exactly why someone would choose an image of a Red Wings player in pain on the ice and use that as their avatar.   


In spite of all that though, you are actually saying you hope Dan Cleary remains healthy so he can play for the Wings? 

#2531502 Dan Cleary appreciation thread

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 11 July 2014 - 09:50 AM

Since this was bumped sarcastically, it's staying locked for now. 


Dan Cleary discussion can take place in the thread about his signing. 

#2531425 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 10 July 2014 - 10:53 PM

Dan Cleary after a pillow fight. 


Also, here's what he said about the MASSIVE amount of fan/media criticism today, from MLive:


"Everybody is entitled to their opinion," Cleary said. "You try not to let any of the negativity – or the positive comments – affect you. We live in the day of social media; anyone can say anything. You can't worry about what people think. You got to do what you do."


Good on him. 


Like I said, I don't like this signing but I sure don't blame Cleary for wanting to come back and play for the Red Wings. 


And he is one of the toughest and most fearless players on the team.   The ice packs are from years of going to the parts of the ice Franzen is scared to. 

#2531410 Tom Renney could be leaving, too.

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 10 July 2014 - 10:23 PM


I sure as hell hope not. People want Blashill to take his place so bad. I'd love for him to eventually become Bab's assistant for a couple years again first, before eventually becoming the #1 bench boss. 


I'm just saying Babs still hasn't signed an extension, has he?  And there's a lot of teams right now that would be more interesting to coach than what Babcock has had to work with in Detroit the last few years. 

#2531276 Who has been Ken Holland's worst recent free agent signing?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 10 July 2014 - 06:05 PM

For me it was a tossup between Sammy at 2 years with a NTC and a raise, and Tootoo at $1.9 mill for 3 years.  


Sammy's was frustrating because it was Holland's classic move of returning to a former Red Wing when they're past their prime, then throw in the contract. 


But Tootoo's was completely baffling because he overpaid for a 4th liner that his coach had little interest in using (which I agree with).  It's not like Tootoo was a different player for the Wings.  They knew what they were getting, paid too much, then didn't use him. 

#2531272 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 10 July 2014 - 06:01 PM

To be fair, going back the last 4 playoffs, Cleary has more points than Franzen. 



(I keep repeating that stat because I still can't believe it's true). 



I was and still am a big Cleary fan.  I can't fault the guy for still wanting to play hockey with the Wings.  But they should not have re-signed him. 

#2531095 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 10 July 2014 - 03:46 PM

I'm assuming the bonus is tied to some minimum number of games played with the Wings. 


Still, I am shocked by this deal.  Even if it's a two-way deal, I wasn't expecting that kind of money.  I think when Maltby did it, it was something like $500k. 


I would rather Holland put that money towards retaining some of Kindl's salary in a trade.  

#2531090 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 10 July 2014 - 03:43 PM

As a moderator here, I'm just glad the Wings didn't announce the re-signing of Quincey and Cleary on the same day.  

#2531019 Kane & Toews Sign Identical 8-year, $10.5M AAV Extensions

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 10 July 2014 - 12:29 PM

I wonder how Keith feels right now. As a UFA his salary could hit the stratosphere, but now he's stuck making literally half of his fellow leaders on the team for similar term, and is their second highest paid Dman. Cheers to Keith for being a team player. 


As for next year Chicago has 15 players signed (10F 3D 2G) and just a little over 3mil in cap room.


It's hard for me to feel sorry for Keith.  He's overrated as a defenseman and a dirty player.  


Don't get me wrong, I think he's a very good Dman, but 2 time norris winner??  If 5 years ago you would've told me Keith would win 2 Norris trophies and Weber wouldn't have any, I would've thought you were nuts.

Chicago will be taken apart next year.


that's what we said last time. 

#2530357 What's best for Mantha?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 07 July 2014 - 09:33 AM

I don't see it happening this year.  Dominating in the QMJHL isn't equal to dominating in the AHL, and neither necessarily translate to success in the NHL.  The Wings are also saturated with forwards, and I just don't see Babcock and Holland trusting Mantha with a full-time roster spot after observing him for a couple scrimmages over players who have already demonstrated competency at the NHL level throughout the previous season(s). 

BUT what is exciting is the potential for this kid is really high.  I was looking at the QMJHL stats from last year, and two other names besides Mantha popped out at me.  Jonathon Drouin, who actually had a higher ppg than Mantha, but only played in 46 games, and Nikolaj Ehlers, who was the only rookie in the top 20 in scoring, and was actually 4th league-wide with 104 points in 63 games.  Drouin was drafted by the Lightning 3rd overall in the 2013 draft.  Ehlers was drafed by the Jets 9th overall in 2014.  Meanwhile, the Red Wings drafted Mantha 20th overall, and this kid is putting up similar numbers as these other top draft picks whom he's playing against.  These other two kids are also under 6 feet, while Mantha is already around 6'5". So if I had to bet on who would be most likely to continue to succeed in bigger and tougher leagues, I would go with Mantha.


Agreed . There's a lot to be excited about with Mantha but we'll know a lot more when he gets some games in the AHL.  


at 6'5" 205 lbs in the QMJHL he was a men among boys, playing with other mostly smaller 18, 19 and 20 year olds.  

#2530248 TANK IT! 2014-2015 Season

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 06 July 2014 - 01:28 PM

No you're right, Oates was the probably the all time worst.

I was only 3 at the time, so the other ones just pissed me off more :P.


The Oates trade was definitely worse. 




Devellano pulled off the craptastic Adam Oates trade. I haven't forgotten.


Don't forget Adam Graves, Klima and Sharples for Jimmy Carson. 


The Wings don't have a great track record when it comes to trading guys named Adam.