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#2540330 more NHL wisdom: Chris Pronger may work for Dept of Player Safety

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 12 October 2014 - 04:46 PM

#1 Pronger wouldn't be able to suspend anyone...that is not his role...Quintal makes those decisions...all Pronger and other members of the department would be doing is reviewing incidents and offering opinions.


#2 Pronger would clearly have no input on anything to do with the Flyers.


The problem with #2 is that there could be many games that indirectly impact the Flyers, especially as the season wears on. 


Say there's a game late in the season and the Pens are playing Edmonton.  Malkin throws a cheapshot and it actually gets reviewed and he could be suspended.  The Flyers are in no way involved, but if it's a tight playoff race and the Penguins losing Malkin for a number of games could impact the Flyers playoff positioning.  


I don't know that Pronger would actually let that influence his decision, but he is being paid millions of dollars by the Flyers. They've taken good care of him since his injury.  Even if it's not conscious, there's probably deep loyalty there.

#2539825 TSN Radio - McKenzie: Enforcers in the NHL

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 11 October 2014 - 11:55 AM

Power forwards IMHO are a very rare commodity...Used to be a plethora of them throughout the 80's/90's.


Yes - I can live without the talentless goon, and would prefer to see guys who can take a reg shift, and drop the gloves when needed.


As far as concussions go - seems to me many are due to hits (be it clean, or dirty) more so than due to fights.


Yes but hitting is a much more integral part of the game, even though some hits will involve contact with the head that can cause concussion.  With the league looking to reduce concussions, eliminating guys punching each other in the head is a pretty clearcut way to reduce potential concussions without affecting actual game play that much. 


I'm not advocating for or against, but I think fighting in hockey will be going away in the next decade.  


Honestly I'm torn on the issue.  I've been watching hockey a long time and think fighting has a place in the game (though I hate staged fights and fights after obviously clean hits), but given the toll it takes on these enforcers after their careers are over, it's harder for me to accept as a good part of the game.  A guy living the rest of his life with screwed up hands or a bad knee is one thing.  But post concussion syndrome is a brain injury with much more serious symptoms. 

#2539753 more NHL wisdom: Chris Pronger may work for Dept of Player Safety

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 10 October 2014 - 08:07 PM

It's official by the way.  Pronger now works for the Department of Player Safety. 




I don't quite understand how the Flyers can consider him an active player on injured reserve (and get relief from his cap hit) while he is employed in the NHL offices.  Must be nice to be an owner in Bettman's inner circle. 

#2539743 Babcock " I dont think it will be my final year here"

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 10 October 2014 - 04:13 PM


I don't get the Dave Lewis bashing around here.  You're hardly the first to do it either.  He took the Wings to the playoffs and lost early.  How is that any worse than what Babs' has been doing since 09?  It could be worse guys.  People make it seem like he had a losing record or something.  He got fired because back then Holland's mantra was "we want to compete for the Cup every year".  Now it's "we want to make the playoffs every year". 


But you have to remember the roster Lewis had.  He took basically the team that won the Stanley Cup the previous year and lost in the first round.  


To  Mike Babcock.  



Comparing the players Lewis had to work with to what Babcock has been working with since 09 is not exactly apples to apples.  It's not even fruit to fruit.   Lewis underperformed given the roster he had.  Great in the regular season and tanked in the playoffs.  Ilitch had gone through enough of that in the mid 90s. 

#2539283 10/9 GDT : Bruins 1 at Red Wings 2.

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 09 October 2014 - 12:20 PM

over 7 mill in the press box.... beaut. 


pretty excited to see jurco in the lineup though!


it's too bad mantha got hurt or he'd probably be in there instead of Nestrasil....


but here's to hoping Nestrasil has a killer debut and cleary gets waived instead! 



LGW! Thank God hockey is back! 


Maybe that's why Kindl is in the lineup over Lashoff.  there was already too much salary in the press box.  :P



Seriously though, let the season begin!!!

#2539137 more NHL wisdom: Chris Pronger may work for Dept of Player Safety

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 08 October 2014 - 06:41 PM

I guess since Matt Cooke wasn't available they had to go with their second choice? 




Veteran defenseman Chris Pronger and the NHL Department of Player Safety are believed to have mutual interest in regards to a potential job, according to Bob McKenzie of TSN.


Interestingly, Pronger himself was no stranger to NHL discipline during his playing days, with no fewer than eight suspensions for a combined 22 games and 1,916 penalty minutes on his record.




#2539123 Kindl on the block

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 08 October 2014 - 05:06 PM

If he gets trades there, I'll forever thank the cosmos for toying with you.

And my aunt lives in Kentucky and drives to all of the red wings games when they come down, I went with her to one and I ended up getting wasted with a group of about twenty people who all seemed ridiculously knowledgeable about the game and were a blast to be around.
They gave me guff about being a red wings fan, but they all knew a ton more about red wings than I thought they would.

Good people.
Even the predsfan on here is cool.


That's been my experience with almost all non-traditional hockey market fans.  It makes sense when you think about it because it's much harder to follow hockey in those places so the ones that do tend to be hardcore fans who are happy just to have other hockey fans to talk to. 

#2539044 Kindl on the block

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 08 October 2014 - 11:23 AM



I think he'd be fine on a team that let him be offensive all the way.  He can skate and shoot.  He's just no good in Babs' system because Babs' doesn't want offense out of his defense...he wants a very particular type of offense (the kind Kronwall, Lids, and Rafalski provided).  That's why Kindl struggles, and that's why Smith often struggles. 


If he played a wide open, run and gun, style of hockey I'd take Kindl.  Someone like Tampa or Carolina would treat him well. 


Kindl's problems aren't just offensive.  It might be able to overlook them if he were putting up a ton of points, but he still has serious defensive issues.  He will bail out of a play to avoid getting hit.  He still makes questionable decisions around his own net for someone with his level of experience.  He's too quick to chip it off the glass and give the puck up instead of making a play. And he doesn't use his considerable size at all. 


I've said this many times before but Kindl is 6'3" and 216 lbs.  The only people bigger than him on the Wings are Franzen and Ericsson.  You'd never guess it by looking at how he plays. 


Yes a run and gun system might be a better fit for him, but he still needs to be better at getting the puck out of his own end.  With someone who is as skilled as he is, his first pass should be his strength but it isn't. 


He also had a stretch where he was among the best at the team in getting shots through from the point, but that has inexplicably evaporated.  Kindl has many lingering issues with his game, and it's not because of a defensive scheme Babcock is employing.  It has to do with lack of hockey sense and heart.  He's a tools but no toolbox guy.

#2538913 23 man roster set... say hi to your 2014/15 Wings

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 07 October 2014 - 05:01 PM

Weak. Holland just took the easy way out again. New season, same frustrating rhetoric.


As people have already mentioned, the roster is not set in stone.  


If the rumors are true, it sounds like Holland is trying to free up a spot for XO by moving Kindl.  




On a side note, XO is one of the cooler, easier to type nicknames I've seen in a while.  And Nestrasil sounds like something you put on acne.  "I used to get breakouts all the time in high school.  Then I started using Nestrasil!"

#2538909 Kindl on the block

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 07 October 2014 - 04:57 PM

but..  but...   Kindl > Ericsson??



(sorry. petty of me, but man that pissed me off when people kept saying that a couple years back)

#2538797 23 man roster set... say hi to your 2014/15 Wings

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 07 October 2014 - 01:54 PM

Sounds like Babcock really did want XO in the lineup.  If you look at how Babcock had the pairings at practice it's pretty clear what he thought the pecking order should be. 


It's also more proof he and Holland don't exactly see eye to eye on the roster.



Coach Mike Babcock was making a push for Ouellet to make the roster and even play in the opener Thursday against the Boston Bruins. Ouellet was paired with Kyle Quincey for the second day in a row in practice on Tuesday, at even strength and on the penalty kill. Jakub Kindl and Brian Lashoff were skating as the odd-men out, used as fill-ins on the penalty kill.


But the Red Wings didn't want to keep Ouellet at the expense of Kindl or Lashoff."I got my two cents in, so I get one vote. (Holland) gets two. So he can win, 2-1," Babcock said, before the decision was revealed. "It's almost exactly like at home: I get one vote and my wife gets two, and I lose 2-1 lots."




#2538128 Holland interview with Mickey comment about a trade

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 03 October 2014 - 11:37 AM

When/where did Babcock say that Kindl and Lashoff's roster spots were safe?


I think someone had posted a quote from one of Khan's articles.  I can't remember the exact quote but I think people are reading too much of it in thinking Kindl and Lashoff's jobs are definitely safe.  Has Kindl even made it through a season without being a healthy scratch?

#2537908 Babcock quote about Jurco... Possible shot at Holland?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 01 October 2014 - 11:48 AM

They definitely don't always see eye to eye on the roster.  



Greg Brady: I'm fascinated by the, the entire, not just your team, but the GM-coach dynamic. How do you describe, frankly, your working relationship with Ken Holland? You're both champions of your sport, you wouldn't agree on every player's single...value, or where they should be use...Does it get interesting? Are there excited discussions, do voices get raised...It can kind of fun at the end of it, can't it?

Mike Babcock: Oh, for sure, you know, I was laughing the other day, I hadn't looked at a Hockey News in forever, and I was at my dad's place in Saskatoon, and I flip it open, and it goes to the Red Wings, and it says, "Lots of disagreement over players last year between Ken Holland and Mike Babcock," and my dad looks at me, "Isn't that every year?" and I said, "Every year, every day."

That's the process. Everybody's got your own opinion. And that's what makes you better; if you're the same, why would you hire someone the same as you?

The other thing about it is...Uncomfortable meetings, when you go to a meeting--and this is in any business--and nobody really tells anybody anything, nobody steps on anybody's toes...You leave the meeting, and everyone talks behind somebody's back.

When you go to a meeting, and you deal with the facts, in an uncomfortable situation, when you leave, everything's looked after.


I'd much rather it be that way. Ken and I have a great relationship. If we pretend for one second that we agree all the time, that's just not the case, but I can tell you this: we make each other a lot better.






This is a pretty bold comment but he's made a couple like it before.  


I think he once talked about not knowing why Ericsson was still in the AHL and not on the team.  

#2537835 Are the wings underrated?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 30 September 2014 - 01:08 PM


Heroic?  Lol.  Babcock rode Nyquist into the playoffs.  If Nyquist had scored even 80% as much as he did, we wouldn't have made the playoffs.  Babcock did well given the roster he was forced to work with, but it wasn't heroic.  He didn't use his coaching wiles to beat obviously superior teams.  He rode a kid into the playoffs that his "heroic coaching" kept out of the lineup for 53 games.  Just remember that while deifying Babcock's coaching a year ago. 


Just to clarify a couple things, Nyquist played 57 games for the Wings last season, so he was kept out of the lineup for 25.  


More importantly, those lost games were a result of his two-way contract and Holland backing the team up to the roster limit with moves like signing Cleary, not Babcock's coaching. 

#2537599 Babcock " I dont think it will be my final year here"

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 29 September 2014 - 03:40 PM


People here say a lot of things.


No kidding. 


My point was that people tend to overrate prospects and it's incredibly hard to predict how they will fare in the NHL, even for professionals.



Like these future Red Wings:


"He is a man amongst boys sometimes. He's not overly physical, but he takes the man and plays the body and he's got a little chip on his shoulder at times. But he's more of a skilled guy." -- Red Wings director of amateur scouting Joe McDonnell (December 2005)  "He's gotten stronger. He still needs to get a little bit stronger, but at training camp, he came close to making the team. He was definitely good enough to play and stick there. He's the kind of guy who plays better with better players. Down the road, I would think he's going to be a top-four guy. He's good on the power play and he's a real smart kid." -- McDonnell (October 2006) 



"He's got very good hockey sense, good stick skills, and he's a Red Wings type of player, the way he thinks the game. We think he's a top two line player. Like with all kids, he needs to improve his strength. He needs to work on his leg strength and get his skating a little bit stronger, but it's just the maturing of the body." -- Red Wings assistant general manager Jim Nill (June 2006) ... "His hockey sense is his best asset. He's a very smart player. He's just got to get bigger and stronger, but he's a pretty well-rounded guy." -- Red Wings director of amateur scouting Joe McDonnell (October 2006) ...



That's Kindl and Emmerton.



I hope these young guys turn into NHL d-men, I just don't think you really can tell too much until they get time with the big club.