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#2608279 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 18 May 2015 - 09:19 AM

I think there is a very high chance that Babcock stays in Detroit. I think the Wings are his best option (best chance to win now and in the future) of the teams on the board, and his family want to stay in Michigan. In saying that, I've had mixed feelings throughout this entire process and I still remain up in the air in what I would like to see happen. Part of me wants to keep Babcock and another part thinks it's time for both he and the team to move on, and promote Blashill as the new head coach. I don't see it being at all likely that we keep both, so if we do keep Babcock then we will most definitely lose Blashill. What if Babcock does decide to re-up for just one season at a time? We lose Blashill this year and Babcock next year? I think Kenny is smarter than to allow that to happen.


I do think Babcock is very over rated and I get sick of some of his strategies and line mash ups, so I am leaning toward wanting Blash to take over. He's a great coach, and I believe he will likely win another Calder Cup with the kids this season. That will be 2 Championships in 3 years. I know the American League isn't anything close to the same as the National League but I do believe he can translate that same success to the NHL. He knows all the kids just as well or better than anyone in the system and I think he would continue doing a great job developing these guys with the big club.


I understand he's "Canada's coach" or whatever but it's definitely been a bizarre process, particularly him and Kenny sitting side by side for the TSN interview (Though the tracking of the Sabre's owners plane is pretty insane too).  If he does stay in Detroit, I'm trying to figure out what piece of information Babcock needed to finalize this decision that he didn't already have, unless this really was about using other offers as leverage to get his offer to market value and the money being there from Holland was polite talk. 


It just puts an odd tone to things if he stays.  I guess the positive outlook is that he saw what was out there and decided the Red Wings were still the best, but the flipside is, why didn't you believe that all along?  


If it were about how the kids played this season, he already has that info.  And Holland can't make any promises about landing free agents. Or if he does they don't really mean much because it's something that isn't under his total control, and he hasn't had a great track record lately anyway.  


I guess there's the possibility Babcock wonders if he's losing the room, which he seemed to mention in the interview.  But again, going to other teams doesn't answer that. 


I don't really follow the Griffins but for those who want Blashill, isn't there a great chance it's very much the same style?  I thought part of the reasons the kids could come up to the Wings so seamlessly (other than over-ripeness) is the similarity of the systems.  

#2606339 Jim Devellano on Mantha's play: "Very disappointing"

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 06 May 2015 - 09:38 AM

Red Wings say something that is true.


Red Wings fans mad about this.


Got it.


Apparently you don't.


Most people in this thread aren't mad and aren't arguing that Devellano's comments are inaccurate.

#2606204 Jim Devellano on Mantha's play: "Very disappointing"

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 05 May 2015 - 08:39 PM


Babcock calls guys out all the time.  He's done so with Kindl and Weiss recently.  And justifiably do.  He's done so with White, Commodore, Smith, and even Hudler in the past.  Why is it no problem when Babs calls out a pro, but Jimmy D does so with a prospect? 


Again, I see no reason to poo poo the kid.  The league, and/or the world, don't give a s*** how sensitive this kid is treated.  You either get over the hump or you don't.  That's on him.  But I don't think the organization deserves praise and/or criticism for how delicately they treat an adult man. 


I turned 21 in Baghdad, Iraq.  Nobody worried about my feelings, or all the intangibles, when I got performance feedback.  If you sucked, they said you sucked, and you fixed it.  I don't know why this kid deserves more.  Because pro hockey is so hard?   Maybe, but I'm not buying it. 


For me it's not that it might have hurt Mantha's feelings.  When the coach does it, it's one thing.  It's usually a calculated move.  This just seems so random.   Especially because  he makes it sound like the Wings have already given up on the kid. 


I don't really follow the prospects that closely but has Mantha been benched, or even criticized publicly by anyone before this?  For the Senior VP of the NHL club to call out a minor league player is pretty much going nuclear.   And isn't something I can ever remember the Wings doing ever before.  It's just odd, which makes me think it was Devellano running his mouth more than a plan to light a fire under the kid. 

#2606116 Jim Devellano on Mantha's play: "Very disappointing"

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 05 May 2015 - 01:25 PM

Nice to see Mantha responding a lot more thoughtfully than Jimmy D did.  


I can imagine Holland facepalming when he heard Devellano's comments.

#2605934 All Purpose Grand Rapids Griffins Thread

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 04 May 2015 - 03:26 PM


What the fracking frack????


Devellano should shut the hell up and retire. Mantha is a struggling kid and he doesn't need to be embarrassed by the Wings front office. 


I guess they've given up on him already. Wow. Total BS. 


I highly doubt they've given up on him already, in spite of Devellano using past tense. 


I'm guessing this is his attempt at motivating Mantha.  Or it's Devellano just saying something stupid again.  Probably both. 


It should put the fear of god in Mantha though, hearing someone so high up in the Red Wings organization talk about you that way. 

#2605911 ECSF: Tampa Bay Crying Coopers vs. Montreal Complaining Canadiens

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 04 May 2015 - 11:48 AM

The funniest part was Stamkos tossing Prusts's elbow pad to a fan in the stands.  




There's a gif of it out there on the internets but I can't get it to work here.  Hopefully someone smarter than me will (there should be plenty of qualified candidates).

#2605886 ECSF: Tampa Bay Crying Coopers vs. Montreal Complaining Canadiens

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 04 May 2015 - 09:37 AM


It's it's true it's very unprofessional, and if it's true it doesn't surprise me.




Prust is an idiot so it's not exactly coming from the best source.  But there are certain refs who seem to get amped up during a game and forget they're not one of the players.  McGeough was a prime example.


(watch about 1 min in)


#2605475 Who is the coach next season?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 01 May 2015 - 05:57 PM


Did they also play superstar defense and kill penalties?  Then they weren't as good.


Edit:  None of the players you mentioned have been the best offensive AND defensive players at the same time.  None.  Only Lidstrom, Dats and Z.  Babs surely realizes this, and isn't hedging his bets on trying to find that type of situation again. 


I'd love for you to take that argument somewhere other than a Wings board and see how it goes.  No one is going to be the exact player as Datsyuk and Zetterberg, which is what seems to be only acceptable answer to you.  The reality is that Chicago, LA, Boston were all great teams.  


And it's kind of beside the point because Babcock got within one win of the  Cup without anyone in the same universe as a  Datsyuk or Zetterberg anyways.  He took Anaheim to game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals with the "star" player being Kariya with 81 points (which doesn't even crack the top 10 that year) and an assorted cast of Sykora, Oates, and Mike Leclerc. 

#2605463 Who is the coach next season?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 01 May 2015 - 04:21 PM


If that's really the case, then Mike Babcock isn't as great as everyone makes him out to be.  Lots of teams win Cups without a Zetterberg or a Datsyuk.  Joel Quenneville never had a 90+ point, two way, superstar.  Neither did Darryl Sutter.  Neither of them had a Lidstrom either. 


I sure hope that Babcock has more faith in his coaching ability than that.  Because if he really thinks he can't win without a Datsyuk or Zetterberg, then he absolutely sucks. 


Lots of teams? Like who? 


The first one I can kind of think of is Carolina.  And they at least had Staal.


Quenneville had an 88 point player in Kane, a 68 point great two way forward in Toews, and a Norris winning defenseman in Keith.  And Hossa.  So he had three superstar forwards and a great #1 d-man.  Quenneville hadn't been to the Cup finals until he coached a team with that talent.


Sutter didn't win the Cup until he had Kopitar, Doughty, Quick, along with Brown, Richards and Carter.  Sutter had several great forwards, a great #1 d-man, and a great playoff goaltender.


Are you really saying those two teams won the Cup without players of the calibre of Datsyuk and Zetterberg?

#2605462 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 01 May 2015 - 04:10 PM


Exactly. No one knew  s***  about Datsyuk in 2002 other than he had great hands. If you had told me after the cup run in 02 that Datsyuk would go on to score almost 100 points in a season and win a bazillion Selkes I wouldn't have believed it.


Hell, Holland nearly traded him for Scott Gomez.


I may have been influenced by the number on the back of the sweater but initially I thought Datsyuk would be like Slava Kozlov.  A guy with great hands and some nifty moves who could be a great supporting piece but not one of the main guys.  Man was I wrong. 


That being said I don't think we have a Datsyuk or Zetterberg in Nyquist or Tatar, but I'd love to be wrong again. 

#2605375 Free agents this off season

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 01 May 2015 - 01:36 PM

And that's why Joel ward should be our number 1 target kids

Mr playoff clutch


That title belongs to Justin Williams. 


He holds the record for most points in Game sevens (passing Doug Gilmour).  7 goals and 7 assists in 7 game 7's. 

#2605353 Things you would like to see for 2015-16 Season

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 01 May 2015 - 12:35 PM

Am I the only person who doesn't want Mike green?


No, you're not alone.  


On paper he could help,  I've just never been a huge fan of the guy and he's injury prone.  If it were a playoff rental that would be different, but signing as a UFA I'm gunshy. 

#2605338 Who is the coach next season?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 01 May 2015 - 12:16 PM


And that's why if he leaves for a different team where he has control over his roster it will be a disaster. There's a reason managers, who can make unbiased and unemotional decisions about personnel, exist. This team would be full of Clearys and Glendenings without Holland.


Has he ever said he wants control over a roster?  I can see how it's natural for coaches to want more control, but Babcock seems to seek out opposing viewpoints and people who bring in new ideas.  It's his management and hiring style with his assistant coaches, so I'm not sure it's a given he would even want GM powers. 


I dont' put much faith in what St. James says, but this is apparently a direct quote. 



"I don't want to be a general manager. I'm a coach" Mike Babcock

#2605006 Who is the coach next season?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 30 April 2015 - 12:15 PM

My votes would be Tippett (if available), Blash, McClellen, Granato. 


Granato seems to have done good things here in Detroit, but I don't know about him as a head coach. 


He's had a couple shots at the job but keeps up ending back as an assistant.  It's hard to say for sure but there's likely a reason for that.  Some guys function better in that role of being on the side closer to the players versus overseeing the whole team and having to be the bad guy at times.

#2604981 Things you would like to see for 2015-16 Season

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 30 April 2015 - 11:31 AM

Kindl gone and Wayne Simmonds in the top 6?