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#2524924 Shawn Thornton will not be returning to the Bruins

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 20 June 2014 - 06:15 PM

Ha.im Definitely being generous.
But I really like him.
And he'd fit right in with the caveman looks of sheahan and lashoff.




He's realistically probably a really good 3rd liner, but he has played all over the Kings lineup, including 1st line with Kopitar. 



Nolan is more like a Thornton.  Though he's bigger and only 24, so his game still might develop some. 

#2524920 Shawn Thornton will not be returning to the Bruins

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 20 June 2014 - 06:10 PM

I would loveeee to have Dwight king.
But I see him as more of a skilled player, hes got some good hands.


Skill player might be overstating it.  :P  


But yeah, he's not really a goon (though he looks like one).  He's a big guy who will hit and scrap, but does have some pretty good hands. 

#2524916 Shawn Thornton will not be returning to the Bruins

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 20 June 2014 - 06:07 PM

The Kings have drafted a few guys like that.  


I'd love for the Wings to have drafted someone like Jordan Nolan.  6'3" 221 lbs.  24 yrs old.   Will hit, isn't a afraid to scrap with anyone.  Can chip in a few goals.   picked 7th round 186 overall. 


Or Dwight King. 6'4" 230 lbs. 24 yrs old.  HIts, will fight, can play hockey and go to the hard areas of the ice.  4th round, 109th overall.



Over the years it's been great for the Wings that they didn't have an anti-Euro bias in drafting guys.  I swear though it seems like sometimes they're biased against drafting big physical kids in the late rounds.  Like they'd rather keep their fingers crossed on a small skill player in hopes they'll land another Zetterberg. 

#2524440 Compliance buyout expected to be used on Tootoo

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 18 June 2014 - 01:28 PM

I'd miss him too, but I can't remember any of the 11 games he played in last year.


Think back to the ones with the lame staged fights. 

#2524416 Dan Cleary may return...sigh

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 18 June 2014 - 11:58 AM

As someone pointed out, this is basically the same deal the Wings made with Maltby.

Holland gave Maltby a two-way contract and he went to camp, but even then it was clear with all the forwards they had that Maltby had little chance of making the Wings roster. He apparently had a good camp, but still not good enough to take someone else's job. Rather than head to the AHL, he retired.

It's a little nerve racking because of Holland signing him last season, but I really do think this is Holland just keeping his word to a heart and soul Red Wings player.

#2524345 Dan Cleary may return...sigh

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 17 June 2014 - 10:29 PM

I started to type that people shouldn't freak out because there's no way Cleary is going to be a Red Wings, then I realized I typed basically the exact same thing before Holland signed him last summer.

Still, I really don't think it'll happen this time.   :blink:


I'm a big Cleary fan, but enough's enough.  

#2524237 Compliance buyout expected to be used on Tootoo

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 17 June 2014 - 12:47 PM

At least the team will finally be rid of the bad signings from a couple summers ago. 


Assuming Weiss is healthy and productive, Kindl's is really the only contract that isn't great.  (And Mule's but that's been beat to death and he's at least productive). 

#2524189 Dan Cleary may return...sigh

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 17 June 2014 - 10:20 AM

Verbal agreement? Clearly did not/cannot hold up his end of the deal. Agreement has been broken, so no dishonor done in not signing him.


I'm guessing Cleary's end of the deal was signing for less money than Holland offered him earlier, so he did hold up his end of the deal. 


Like I said, I don't want Cleary back on the Wings.  The guy is all heart but it would take a miraculous recovery for him to hold a spot on the team.  

#2524155 Dan Cleary may return...sigh

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 17 June 2014 - 08:55 AM

Whoa Whoa Whoa, don't everybody go blaming Holland here.  Babs was the one who wanted him back.  Babs was the reason he left money on the table in Philly.  And Babs was the reason he got a commitment beyond last year from the Wings.  If Holland had his say Dan Cleary would be entering the second year of his three year contract with the Flyers right now. 


Do you have any source to back up any of these elaborate claims? 


Do you really think Babcock could make Holland do something he absolutely didn't want to do, especially when it involves putting his team against the roster and cap limit?


I know you don't like Babcock and are eager to blame him for anything possible, but my memory from that time and the multiple sources I've found state that Babcock, the players, and yes Holland all wanted Cleary back.


That led to a meeting Wednesday with general manager Ken Holland and coach Mike Babcock at Traverse City's airport. Cleary returned home to metro Detroit to wait for an offer. He said Flyers general manager Paul Holmgren "was supportive" the whole time.

Holland and Babcock both wanted Cleary back; Holland offered both a two-year deal worth around $4.5 million and a three-year deal worth slightly under $6 million in June, but those offers were shelved after the team signed Daniel Alfredsson and Stephen Weiss.

Holland crunched new numbers, and agreed to take the Wings about $2.4 million over the salary cap, and put them at 17 NHL-tabbed forwards. Teams don't have to be compliant until Sept. 30, by which time Holland expects to have moved a forward or two. The most vulnerable is forward Jordin Tootoo, who might not fit into Babcock's plans.





All parties involved have consistently expressed mutual interest in keeping Cleary a member of the Detroit franchise. However, salary cap complications had previously kept the sides from reaching a new agreement, in addition to the team's depth at forward.

All parties being Holland, Cleary and Babcock.
You can pretend this is all Babcock's fault but it ignores the fact that Holland offered Cleary a contract before he ever talked to Philly. Not to mention there was a lot of speculation the Philly deal fell through due to the handshake deal Philly made because they didn't have cap room at the time, not because that dastardly Babcock convinced Cleary to walk away from millions of dollars and Holland to go against his own wishes and sign Cleary.
As for this latest news, I don't want Cleary back on the team, but it's stated pretty clearly why the Red Wings are doing this.  They're keeping their word.

#2523870 Ben Vanderklok replaces Mitch Korn as Goaltending Coach in Nashville

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 14 June 2014 - 04:21 PM

If you're not interested in the thread, simply don't post in it. 

#2523839 2014 SCF : (2) The Big Apple vs. (3) Hollywood

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 14 June 2014 - 12:40 PM

I know Williams is the feel good story, and Doughty would have been the "he's probably the best player in the world at his position" story, but Gaborik deserved the Conn Smythe.  He was something else in these playoffs. 


I guess it speaks to how well the team was playing when you could really make a strong case for 4 players to win the Conn Smythe.  

#2523774 2014 SCF : (2) The Big Apple vs. (3) Hollywood

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 14 June 2014 - 12:55 AM

Glad Williams got the Conn Smythe, dude is captain clutch. Lundqvist just couldn't bail out the Rags anymore, feel for the guy.


If they weren't playing the Kings I definitely would've been pulling for Lundqvist to win it. 

#2523772 Report: NHL to have 5 outdoor games in 2014-15.

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 14 June 2014 - 12:50 AM

Everyone can criticize Bettman all they want.  But the fact is, the ratings for the NHL have never been better.  The owners are making money.  He's done his job and done it well.  Like him or not. 




Because the sources I found name the last few years as the best ratings since 1975. 


I don't understand why people rush to defend Bettman by pointing out how much money he's made owners.  Who cares?? I don't own a franchise.  I'm a fan of the game.  Bettman succeeds because he knows us die hard hockey fans will keep coming back no matter how many reasons he gives us not to.  


People seem to have a misconception that the Commissioner's only job is just to make a crapload of money for ownership.  It's not.  It's also to protect the integrity of the game and uphold public confidence in the league.  


By that measure Bettman has done a terrible job.  

#2523195 2014 SCF : (2) The Big Apple vs. (3) Hollywood

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 07 June 2014 - 10:14 PM

That no call on the goalie interference is already so controversial. Going to be even worse if the Kings win this in OT. Looked like interference to me, but then again it was Dan O'Halloran. 


It's kind of unbelievable that O'Halloran of all people didn't wave it off.  The guy loves to insert himself into games by waiving off goals.  Did they rule the Rangers D-man was forcing King into Henrik?


It just goes to show the sad state of NHL officiating when O'Halloran makes the Cup finals.  



I miss McCreary.

#2523168 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 07 June 2014 - 05:40 PM

I don't understand why so many people are eager to get rid of Lashoff. 


He's 23 years old with one full NHL season under his belt.  He won't set the world on fire, but he's big, pretty physical, and has a cap hit of $725,000 for the next two seasons.  


Lashoff will likely improve and will look better when the whole blueline gets more stability.  He's worth keeping around for a couple seasons to see if he at least settles into a big physical bottom pairing guy. 


Kindl however, needs to go.  The bummer is he's signed for three more years at $2.4 millions.