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In Topic: Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Yesterday, 01:15 PM

I dont think anyone would care that much if Jurco or Pulk got dealt for peanuts to be honest.

Both of their hypes have been GREATLY dminished

 

I would absolutely care. These are good young players. Their trade value/"hype" has been "GREATLY diminished" because the Wings are run by assholes.


In Topic: Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Yesterday, 01:08 PM

I do think he set up a good foundation of forward depth if the right deal comes along... Which is more than we can say about years past.

 

See, the biggest source of my frustration is that I do feel he has the necessary pieces -- I just think he lacks the will, desire, creativity, cojones, etc. to actually Get It Done.

 

It's complacency, risk-aversion, hoarding. It's arrogance. It's laziness. It's outdated, provincial thinking. It's everything, and it continues to result in a whole lot of nothing.

 

Over the past eleven years, no team has made fewer trades. The Wings' official count is, I believe, 23. The Devils are second from the bottom with something like 50.


In Topic: Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Yesterday, 12:54 PM

I get the frustration, but I personally think the Nielsen signing was needed. We couldn't go into the season with Zetterberg / Sheahan / Larkin as our top 3 centers. Zetterberg needs his minutes cut, Larkin isn't ready for number one center duty, and while Sheahan can play 2nd line center in a pinch, I think he's better suited in the bottom 6. I'm one of the few that wanted Helm back, and while it may be half a mil too high and a couple years too long, I think it was a good signing. Vanek is a low risk, high reward signing, but I would have preferred to see a kid get that spot. The Miller and Ott signings are a complete joke... Without the latter three signings we could have had a few more spots open for the kids, who are mostly deserving of spots anyway... Of the players that you mentioned though, I only think Athanasiou and Mantha are ready to be full time NHLers. I'm completely fine with Bertuzzi spending another season in Grand Rapids, and honestly, I don't see Nosek as a high quality NHL player anyway. He might be a decent 3rd line center, but I'd much rather have Helm or Sheahan fill that spot...

 

The Nielsen signing was absolutely necessary. I'm just painting an overall picture. We signed three past-their-prime veterans (at least one of which we absolutely, positively do not need in any way, shape or form) and re-signed two past-their-prime veterans (at least one of which we absolutely, positively do not need in any way, shape or form). I see a lot of people looking at these signings and saying a trade must be coming. I look at these signings and ask, "How is this any different from last year, or the year before that, or the year before that, or the year before that?"

 

http://www.thehockey...tanley-Cup.html

 

ST. PAUL – The moment Mike Babcock learned the San Jose Sharks had acquired defenseman Brent Burns, he instantly got the look of a guy who’s team just let one get away.

His Red Wings are looking for a defenseman to replace the retired Brian Rafalski, but it was the playoff rival Sharks who pried the talented Burns away from the Minnesota Wild in a blockbuster trade.

“They just hit a home run,” Babcock said of the Sharks. “That’s a gold medal pick. I’m pissed off.”

 

That was five years ago. We're still waiting on That Trade for That Defenseman.


In Topic: Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Yesterday, 12:41 PM

I think that's a fairly obvious statement, and unrelated to my original post. Considering that Vanek, Ott, and Miller all have 1 year contracts - they don't have any trade value and probably won't be Red Wings as soon as next year.

 

I think you're taking that comment -- which, for what it's worth, was put in parantheses for a reason -- slightly the wrong way. I wasn't really hardcore disagreeing with you about anything. You said you have to think Ken Holland went into this summer with a surplus of forwards "to make a trade." I think that's a perfectly reasonable stance...but, at the same time, we know what the status quo in Red Wings World is (we see it maintained every year now, like clockwork) and I'm not sure I see any real evidence that Holland is consciously, actively, deliberately, methodically attempting to shake things up. I think it's entirely possible that he signed and re-signed some past-their-prime veterans because that's just what he does. I have trouble truly believing he's going to make an impact trade, because he doesn't do impact trades. What he and the diggers and the national media are all saying about the possibility of such a trade is stuff we've all heard before countless times over the past several years. For me, it's hard not to be intensely cynical and pessimistic about the state of the Wings under Ken Holland's "leadership."


In Topic: Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

21 July 2016 - 06:54 AM

I have to think that he went into the summer with this many forwards to make a trade

 

Or he just wants to maintain the status quo, i.e. the huge brick wall separating kids from the roster. We could've gone younger, but we signed Nielsen, Vanek, and Ott, and we re-signed Helm and Miller. (Note that none of these players will be traded. We all know this.) That, to me, doesn't sound like angling for a trade. That sounds like making sure there are 500 degrees of separation between Athanasiou, Mantha, Nosek, Bertuzzi and full-time NHL duty. Because Red Wings.