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In Topic: Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Yesterday, 10:21 PM

If what Dreger is true it's more like

1. Buffalo willing to go 12 aav
2. Toronto
3. Tampa Bay but the captain needs to up his offer
4. Wings and everyone else who is interested

But hey gotta pass on a much needed gift in order to draft another undersized pick no one ever heard of.

 

Dreger: Red Wings top contender for Stamkos

 

Just Saiyan.


In Topic: Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Yesterday, 08:52 PM

"Love that we can tuck [Cholowski] away in college."

 

I think Ken Holland is a sadist.


In Topic: Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Yesterday, 06:26 PM

Holland needs to basically give Howard away. Ridding that contract is itself a huge win for this team. If Calgary is interested, Holland has no excuses. Get it done.

 

Jimmy Howard (probably retaining some salary) + Nick Jensen for Rasmus Andersson. Boom.


In Topic: Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

23 June 2016 - 04:34 AM

A slow piece of s***. But who cares, speed doesn't matter in hockey anyway.

 

Can Lucic play without the puck? You've got to be able to play without the puck if you want to have any success in this league. The best offense is never having the puck and always defending. Can Lucic never have the puck and always defend? Can he block shots? Can he kill penalties? Can he take faceoffs? Can he Luke Glendening? Can he Drew Miller? Can he fourth line? Is he a proven winner? Is he a guy you win with? Is he elite, elite? Is he real good? Is he heavy on the puck? Is he real responsible defensively? Is he real good defensively? Is he grit? Is he leadership? Is he veteran? Is he leadership veteran? Is he experience? Is he big? Is he physics??? Is he from the Michigans?????


In Topic: Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

23 June 2016 - 04:25 AM

As far as Tatar goes, I showed how the value of the give away Stat is iffy at best, and anyone who watched him last year can see how he ignored open linemates and tried to do everything himself instead, leading to the other team getting the puck. Just because they stay guy didn't give him give aways for that doesn't mean he's a good possession player, and your argument that the stats say he is and you can't prove otherwise is just plain asinine.

 

So your argument for Tatar being a poor possession player is that "anyone who watched him last year can see how he ignored open linemates and tried to do everything else himself instead, leading to the other team getting the puck." Yes, anyone and everyone who watched Tatar's 2015-16 season 1) saw that he is a bad possession player because he totally gave the puck away all the time and 2) understands that one season in an NHLer's career (or parts of one season, or parts of parts of one season, or parts of parts of parts of one season, or some people's shared perspective on parts of parts of parts of one season...) is definitely the unequivocal measure of an NHLer's possession prowess. That's some rock-solid analysis, full of evidence and all that good convincing stuff. I'm sure it's not at all subjective or anecdotal or possibly even mistaken. The eye simply doesn't lie, especially when it's Your Eye doing the eyeing.

 

Not that I hate the eye test. I just find it amusing that so many people think they need to resist stats like they're the Borg or something. If we're talking about a player's worth, the eye test isn't necessarily going to tell you as much as you'd probably like to think it will, unless you're paying damn close attention every night and and taking notes and keeping a record of at least some form of meaningful statistic (hopefully beyond the basic stats, because, otherwise, what's the point?) Of course, then it wouldn't be the eye test. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯