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#2551351 Inconsistency

Posted by Echolalia on Yesterday, 04:53 PM

If I had to guess, I would say that the age distribution of our team may be playing a role.  One one end, we have our current core of Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, Kronwall, all on the wrong side of 33.  They're still great players, but the Wings cant lean on them as heavily as they used to, and I don't think it fair to expect them to string together win streaks entirely on their shoulders.  And on the other end of the spectrum, we have our up-and-coming core (give or take) of Nyqvist, Tatar, Sheahan, Dekeyser, etc etc all south of 25 years old.  They're great players, but not quite in their prime, and not quite experiened enough to be the leaders of this team.  If you look at the players that we have between 25 and 30 years old (which I'm arbitrarily defining as prime years just based on the notion that folks in this age range tend to have a few solid years of NHL experience under their belt, and are still young enough in most cases not to have lost a step or be plagued by injuries) we have Abdelkader (27), Andersson (25), Glendening (25), Helm (27), Miller (30), Nyquist (25), and Smith (25).  Four of those seven players are on our fourth line.  I think its also worth pointing out that even though I arbitrarily picked 25-30 as prime years, based in part due to NHL experience, Glendening, Andersson, Nyquist and Smith have all played less than 140 NHL games, which means that sweet spot between solid skill and durability, and solid experience is going to be delayed a few more years in these guys.

But who knows whats really going on.

 

I just took a look at the standings at NHL.com, and right now there are only three teams currently riding 3-game winning streaks.  Everyone else has streaks smaller than that (or losing streaks).  Theres also 23 of 30 teams within 10 points of eachother league-wide. I don't know what each team has looked like streak-wise over the course of the entire season so far, but teams are more closely matched than in the past, which can also be playing a role.




#2551311 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by LeftWinger on Yesterday, 09:16 AM

If we could land Perron and or Petry, that just may give us a little shakeup that may spark something.  Question, Kindl is already a healthy scratch most nights, IF the Wings were able to land BOTH Perron and Petry, which defensemen go? Do you think Q would be part of that trade or would we lose a prospect? I really don't like the idea of losing ANY of of D prosepects, XO, Sproul, Jensen, Marchenko, Backman, Nedomlel, Wheaton, McNulty and Dehass are all very important to this team IMO.  We still own the rights to Almqvist, although I do not think he will come back the NHL even if his rights were traded.  I know you have to give to get, and trading Q and K is not going to get you Perron or Petry, let alone both.

 

Looking back at that list of prospects, are we going to have room for these guys when they are out of exemptions in a few years? Same situation as Nestrasil, you groom your prospects to become NHL ready, then lose them because you have no room on the NHL team.  Do we risk trading one or two of those guys along with an established NHL'r? 

 

I know Edmonton wants a 2nd line center, Weiss is NOT going to waive his NTC to go there.  I think Edmonton asks for Sheahan before Helm or Andersson.  No thanks, so I think unless they'll take a 1st round pick instead, we are out. Sheahan is a no trade IMO.




#2550710 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by gcom007 on 21 November 2014 - 01:08 AM

To me, this is a transition/development year. We're not really looking to balls-out contend quite yet. We're setting up for next season, two seasons from now, three seasons from now. Case in point: we've got all of six skaters who are solidly in their prime years, and they are Helm, Abdelkader, Miller, Quincey, Kindl, Ericsson. (Woof.) And, just as tellingly, we're carrying ten skaters who are 25 or younger (i.e. not yet solidly in their prime years): Nyquist, Tatar, Sheahan, Jurco, Andersson, Glendening, Smith, DeKeyser, Lashoff, Ouellet. And we've got Mantha, Pulkkinen, Sproul, et al. on the horizon.

 

When you look at it that way, and you consider how well this team's done through these first 18 games (23 points, 50 GF, 42 GA, strong possession numbers, top-end PK, six players with ten or more points), I think you have to be pretty happy with what's going on and pretty excited about what's to come.

 

Hell, I'm not convinced we don't stand a chance to make a stink in the playoffs this year, even if we don't make any deals. We're certainly more poised than we've been the last couple of years with this roster playing as well as they have been. If Babcock can get them to elevate their game for the playoffs and Howard really locks it down, they just might surprise a whole lot of people.




#2548564 Ranking Wings Players by Draft Order

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 11 November 2014 - 02:13 PM

So just for the hell of it, I ranked current Wings players based on where they were drafted in their respective draft years.  Obviously, many of these players were drafted by other teams. 

 

 

Weiss - 4th overall

Cleary - 13th overall

Kindl - 19th overall

Sheahan - 21st overall

Smith - 27th overall

Kronwall - 29th overall

Jurco - 35th overall

Abdelkader -  42nd overall 

Tatar - 60th overall

Howard - 64th overall

Nestrasil - 75th overall

Andersson - 88th overall

Franzen - 97th overall 

Nyquist - 121st overall

Quincey - 132nd overall

Helm - 132nd overall

Datsyuk - 171st overall

Miller - 186th overall

Zetterberg - 210th overall

Ericsson - 291st overall

 

Glendening -undrafted

Gustavsson - undrafted

DeKeyser- undrafted

Lashoff - undrafted




#2540632 Myers close to become a wing?

Posted by krsmith17 on 14 October 2014 - 12:48 PM

Where have you heard that Mantha, plus our first, plus... would be involved in a trade for Myers? It seems like every trade that we're "linked to", Mantha is the guy that other teams want. The problem is, there is no way they're getting him. Mantha is as untouchable a prospect we've had in a long time. He's not going anywhere unless it gets us an already elite player in the NHL still in his prime, which isn't going to happen either. I don't think Myers is a terrible player by any means but I don't think he is what this team needs right now, especially with all the other kids knocking on the door...




#2540701 Myers close to become a wing?

Posted by number9 on 14 October 2014 - 07:19 PM

As a Buffalo resident I would say the Wings shouldn't be interested in any Sabres not named Zemgus Girgensons.




#2542498 10/18 GDT - Maple Leafs 0 at Red Wings 1 (OT)

Posted by dat's sick on 19 October 2014 - 01:33 PM

another quick word on Glenny. His emergence along with Sheahan's would allow us to offer Helm in a deal for something we need. While Helm still has value. This team doesn't need all three, especially when Dats comes back to take up another center spot. Nothing personal against Helm...

Maybe if Helm was the kind of piece that would land us a top pairing d-man I would consider it. But I think he is more valuable to us than he is in a trade. We always seem to be a much better team when he's playing than when he isn't. 

 

I guess if Buffalo for example would give us Myers ONLY if they get Helm I wouldn't say no, but we know everyone wants guys like Nyquist/Mantha/Jurco. 




#2542472 10/18 GDT - Maple Leafs 0 at Red Wings 1 (OT)

Posted by WingsallTheway on 19 October 2014 - 09:52 AM

If I'm Ken Holland right now, I send Weiss, Cleary, Lashoff, Kindl, and a first round pick to Buffalo for Tyler Myers. Dump the trash Babcock doesn't want and stop letting them bring down the team. There's no point to pine over its and what could have been. Just ship em off.

 

Weiss has some value, so take him out and add andy miele and we can get sam reinhart and theyre 1st for the next 3 seasons




#2536930 9/22/14 7:00 PM. Preseason GDT - DET 2 @ PIT 1

Posted by Nev on 23 September 2014 - 01:05 AM

Woke up this morning, first thing I thought was "wonder how the Wings did?". Second thing I thought was "I wonder who got injured?" :(


#2536916 9/22/14 7:00 PM. Preseason GDT - DET 2 @ PIT 1

Posted by xtrememachine1 on 22 September 2014 - 10:01 PM

Just got back from the game.  My 6 year old was a very good road fan for us chanting "Lets Go Wings" for every single "Lets Go Pens".  A kid across the aisle from us was waving a terrible towel and he waved it at my son when the Pens scored.  When Datsyuk scored, he goes "Not waving that towel now huh?!"  I was in shock, he's usually pretty mild mannered, but he was really getting into it.  Everyone around us just laughed, except the kid with the towel.  Here are a few good pics I got:

 

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#2536862 Did the Wings change the font on their jerseys?

Posted by Branton87 on 22 September 2014 - 07:29 PM

Just kidding. I didn't see this thread this year, so I figured I'd make it. Go Wings!  :lol:




#2536692 Barry Trotz Wants Ovechkin to be more like Yzerman

Posted by Nev on 21 September 2014 - 02:30 AM

Yzerman was a center.  Russian wingers aren't known for defensive play, nor should they.  Yzerman was already past 30 when he started winding down offensively to play more defense.   

 

Ovechkin's job is to score goals, play hard and lead by example.  You don't have to be great defensively to be an effective player or a good leader.    

 

He doesn't have to be great defensively, but do you think he could at least try to be average?  He does the Controller Disconnected thing all over the ice, all the time.

 

Regarding Mogilny, the Devils used him on their checking line at the end of his career.




#2535449 Lines Thread

Posted by GoWings1905 on 03 September 2014 - 01:11 PM

Na, there's actually only one Glendening in the league.

I like Luker way more than Andersson thus far.

Jurco was a fringe NHL player this time last year too. And again, he won't be on the opening day roster this year either.

I prefer Andersson out of the two, but both are expendable in reality. The Wings are already set up the middle with Weiss back, so I don't really see where Andersson or Glendening fit into the picture without injuries. 

 

Jurco was a fringe NHL player because he wasn't even 21 years old and then he proved during his time that he was good enough to stay. Glendening, Andersson and Callahan are fringe NHL players because none of them possess a skill set that is anything special to warrant an every day roster spot. Skill isn't the question with Jurco -- he held his own in a third line role and has immense talent to continue developing against quality competition. 

 

My argument has nothing to do with whether Jurco will make the team. That status was pretty much cemented by Cleary, maybe Alfie and the previously mentioned guys. My stance is that Jurco should be playing for the Red Wings regardless of his Grand Rapids option, the "logjam" at forward or whatever other reason people use for sending him down. 

 

Some agree more with Holland's overripe strategy and that's fine. I do think it has its merits at times and has worked before. However, I do believe it should be on a case-by-case basis instead of this overriding philosophical organizational belief that we cling to no matter what. Sending Jurco down "just because you can" is silly and a cop out to keep lesser players around that don't help the team win now or in the future. It's not like the Red Wings are this juggernaut championship contender anymore where they can afford to stash young talent in the minors. 




#2534956 Fedorov and Yzerman vs. Datsyuk and Zetterberg

Posted by Son of a Wing on 26 August 2014 - 05:46 PM

Boyd Devereaux and Jason Williams




#2534906 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by krsmith17 on 25 August 2014 - 08:11 AM

I really wish people would stop with this, "well we haven't done ANYTHING in the past 5 years", blah, blah, blah... How many times does it have to be said and how the hell is it not obvious to some of you that the Detroit Red Wings are in the midst of their second rebuild in the past two decades, without once missing the playoffs?... That is not that impressive at all... I mean, most teams in the league have done that haven't they?... NOPE, not even close... The Wings streak is at 23 consecutive seasons without missing the playoffs, after that there is the Sharks at 10, Penguins at 8, Bruins 7, Blackhawks 6, Kings 5, Rangers 4, Blues 3, and no other team has made the playoffs more than the past 2 seasons straight. That is absolutely insane when you actually think about it... To continue to make the playoffs for this long, through two rebuilds is nothing short of astonishing, and I'm willing to bet that the Wings make it at least another 7 years to beat the Boston Bruins 29 year playoff streak from '67-'96.

 

People that do not see the brightness at the end of this tunnel, that has been the past 5 years, are pessimists to their truest form. How can you not be thrilled as a Red Wings fan, not only because of the "stupid, not-at-all-impressive streak", but because of all of the talent that we have coming up over the next few seasons.

 

To say that there is no way that Jurco can turn out to be as good as Datsyuk is very bleak in my opinion. Jurco has accomplished more than Datsyuk had accomplished at the tender age of 21. Jurco has already got his first taste of NHL action and played quite well for a rookie, while Datsyuk wasn't even drafted until he was 20 and didn't play his first season in the NHL until he was 23. They both have great hands, obviously Pav gets the edge there though since he has better hands than anyone that has ever played the game. Jurco definitely has the size advantage, as he is 3 inches taller and already closing in on 200 lbs., whereas Pav is around the same now but came into the league as a rookie somewhere between 175-180 lbs.

 

I also think that Nyquist has the potential to become somewhat of a Zetterberg lite. Nyquist is slightly behind Zetterberg in production at the same age but he does have a slightly better point percentage. In Zetterberg's first two seasons he put up 87 points in 140 games, 0.621 points per game, while in Nyquist' first three partial seasons, he put up 61 points in 97 games, 0.628 points per game. Gus has the same drive and determination that makes Hank such a world class player, and he also seems to have the same type of leadership qualities. They're both approximately the same height and weight when they were the same age, while Hank has put on some muscle over the years, Gus still has plenty of room to grow as well.

 

The Wings definitely have a few potential future stars up front in Nyquist, Jurco and Mantha, but to go along with that I think we have much more depth coming than we have ever had before. Sheahan, Tatar, Pulkkinen and Athanasiou are all potential top 6 players, and Nastasiuk, Bertuzzi and Callahan could be great 3rd and 4th line players. I'm not quite sure where Janmark, Nosek, and Frk will fit in but they're quality players as well. Then you have guys like Larkin and Turgeon that we just drafted that I think could be along their way in about five years as well.

 

On the back end we also have a few potential future stars in Smith, DeKeyser and Sproul as well as guys like Ouellet, Backman, Marchenko and Jensen. And of course between the pipes, we have Mrazek coming along quite nicely, and he could be a future top 5 goalie in this league.

 

I realize that all of this, as of right now, is just "potential" but with as many high end prospects that we have, at least a few of them have to turn into quality players. We have one of the best prospect pools in the entire league because we have one of the best general managers in the league, as well as top scouts and development teams in the league (credit to Holland for putting this management team together). I'll never understand some of the constant negative attitudes in here, but to each their own. What a boring forum this would be without you guys lol.