That's why Ryan O'Reilly's #1 on my wish list. He'd give us our elite two-way 1C of the future, and in the meantime you could use him as a top-line winger. I'd be willing to pay quite a bit for this guy.
How much are you willing to pay? Lets hear your trade offer?
Posted by Echolalia
on 23 November 2014 - 04:53 PM
If I had to guess, I would say that the age distribution of our team may be playing a role. One one end, we have our current core of Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, Kronwall, all on the wrong side of 33. They're still great players, but the Wings cant lean on them as heavily as they used to, and I don't think it fair to expect them to string together win streaks entirely on their shoulders. And on the other end of the spectrum, we have our up-and-coming core (give or take) of Nyqvist, Tatar, Sheahan, Dekeyser, etc etc all south of 25 years old. They're great players, but not quite in their prime, and not quite experiened enough to be the leaders of this team. If you look at the players that we have between 25 and 30 years old (which I'm arbitrarily defining as prime years just based on the notion that folks in this age range tend to have a few solid years of NHL experience under their belt, and are still young enough in most cases not to have lost a step or be plagued by injuries) we have Abdelkader (27), Andersson (25), Glendening (25), Helm (27), Miller (30), Nyquist (25), and Smith (25). Four of those seven players are on our fourth line. I think its also worth pointing out that even though I arbitrarily picked 25-30 as prime years, based in part due to NHL experience, Glendening, Andersson, Nyquist and Smith have all played less than 140 NHL games, which means that sweet spot between solid skill and durability, and solid experience is going to be delayed a few more years in these guys.
But who knows whats really going on.
I just took a look at the standings at NHL.com, and right now there are only three teams currently riding 3-game winning streaks. Everyone else has streaks smaller than that (or losing streaks). Theres also 23 of 30 teams within 10 points of eachother league-wide. I don't know what each team has looked like streak-wise over the course of the entire season so far, but teams are more closely matched than in the past, which can also be playing a role.
Posted by LeftWinger
on 23 November 2014 - 09:16 AM
If we could land Perron and or Petry, that just may give us a little shakeup that may spark something. Question, Kindl is already a healthy scratch most nights, IF the Wings were able to land BOTH Perron and Petry, which defensemen go? Do you think Q would be part of that trade or would we lose a prospect? I really don't like the idea of losing ANY of of D prosepects, XO, Sproul, Jensen, Marchenko, Backman, Nedomlel, Wheaton, McNulty and Dehass are all very important to this team IMO. We still own the rights to Almqvist, although I do not think he will come back the NHL even if his rights were traded. I know you have to give to get, and trading Q and K is not going to get you Perron or Petry, let alone both.
Looking back at that list of prospects, are we going to have room for these guys when they are out of exemptions in a few years? Same situation as Nestrasil, you groom your prospects to become NHL ready, then lose them because you have no room on the NHL team. Do we risk trading one or two of those guys along with an established NHL'r?
I know Edmonton wants a 2nd line center, Weiss is NOT going to waive his NTC to go there. I think Edmonton asks for Sheahan before Helm or Andersson. No thanks, so I think unless they'll take a 1st round pick instead, we are out. Sheahan is a no trade IMO.
To me, this is a transition/development year. We're not really looking to balls-out contend quite yet. We're setting up for next season, two seasons from now, three seasons from now. Case in point: we've got all of six skaters who are solidly in their prime years, and they are Helm, Abdelkader, Miller, Quincey, Kindl, Ericsson. (Woof.) And, just as tellingly, we're carrying ten skaters who are 25 or younger (i.e. not yet solidly in their prime years): Nyquist, Tatar, Sheahan, Jurco, Andersson, Glendening, Smith, DeKeyser, Lashoff, Ouellet. And we've got Mantha, Pulkkinen, Sproul, et al. on the horizon.
When you look at it that way, and you consider how well this team's done through these first 18 games (23 points, 50 GF, 42 GA, strong possession numbers, top-end PK, six players with ten or more points), I think you have to be pretty happy with what's going on and pretty excited about what's to come.
Hell, I'm not convinced we don't stand a chance to make a stink in the playoffs this year, even if we don't make any deals. We're certainly more poised than we've been the last couple of years with this roster playing as well as they have been. If Babcock can get them to elevate their game for the playoffs and Howard really locks it down, they just might surprise a whole lot of people.
Where have you heard that Mantha, plus our first, plus... would be involved in a trade for Myers? It seems like every trade that we're "linked to", Mantha is the guy that other teams want. The problem is, there is no way they're getting him. Mantha is as untouchable a prospect we've had in a long time. He's not going anywhere unless it gets us an already elite player in the NHL still in his prime, which isn't going to happen either. I don't think Myers is a terrible player by any means but I don't think he is what this team needs right now, especially with all the other kids knocking on the door...
Posted by dat's sick
on 19 October 2014 - 01:33 PM
another quick word on Glenny. His emergence along with Sheahan's would allow us to offer Helm in a deal for something we need. While Helm still has value. This team doesn't need all three, especially when Dats comes back to take up another center spot. Nothing personal against Helm...
Maybe if Helm was the kind of piece that would land us a top pairing d-man I would consider it. But I think he is more valuable to us than he is in a trade. We always seem to be a much better team when he's playing than when he isn't.
I guess if Buffalo for example would give us Myers ONLY if they get Helm I wouldn't say no, but we know everyone wants guys like Nyquist/Mantha/Jurco.
If I'm Ken Holland right now, I send Weiss, Cleary, Lashoff, Kindl, and a first round pick to Buffalo for Tyler Myers. Dump the trash Babcock doesn't want and stop letting them bring down the team. There's no point to pine over its and what could have been. Just ship em off.
Weiss has some value, so take him out and add andy miele and we can get sam reinhart and theyre 1st for the next 3 seasons
Just got back from the game. My 6 year old was a very good road fan for us chanting "Lets Go Wings" for every single "Lets Go Pens". A kid across the aisle from us was waving a terrible towel and he waved it at my son when the Pens scored. When Datsyuk scored, he goes "Not waving that towel now huh?!" I was in shock, he's usually pretty mild mannered, but he was really getting into it. Everyone around us just laughed, except the kid with the towel. Here are a few good pics I got:
Na, there's actually only one Glendening in the league.
I like Luker way more than Andersson thus far.
Jurco was a fringe NHL player this time last year too. And again, he won't be on the opening day roster this year either.
I prefer Andersson out of the two, but both are expendable in reality. The Wings are already set up the middle with Weiss back, so I don't really see where Andersson or Glendening fit into the picture without injuries.
Jurco was a fringe NHL player because he wasn't even 21 years old and then he proved during his time that he was good enough to stay. Glendening, Andersson and Callahan are fringe NHL players because none of them possess a skill set that is anything special to warrant an every day roster spot. Skill isn't the question with Jurco -- he held his own in a third line role and has immense talent to continue developing against quality competition.
My argument has nothing to do with whether Jurco will make the team. That status was pretty much cemented by Cleary, maybe Alfie and the previously mentioned guys. My stance is that Jurco should be playing for the Red Wings regardless of his Grand Rapids option, the "logjam" at forward or whatever other reason people use for sending him down.
Some agree more with Holland's overripe strategy and that's fine. I do think it has its merits at times and has worked before. However, I do believe it should be on a case-by-case basis instead of this overriding philosophical organizational belief that we cling to no matter what. Sending Jurco down "just because you can" is silly and a cop out to keep lesser players around that don't help the team win now or in the future. It's not like the Red Wings are this juggernaut championship contender anymore where they can afford to stash young talent in the minors.