I forgot how much time u all spend on the ice and in the locker room with Franzen.
Fact is he gets paid pretty much the exact right amount for how much he produces. I expect players to live up to their price tags and he certainly does.
Many of u seem to think he's failed to meet expectations and offer up all these soft amateur interpretations of his play, but the hard evidence is he lives up to his contract. He was also never expected to be a scorer when he entered the league. Then he scored a few goals and suddenly ppl expect Hull 2.0
Fact is the wings saw a 4 million dollar player, and signed him for just that.
But then again some of you KNOW he could score 40 goals? Right? Jeez
True. But the Wings did not hand out an 11-year extension based on how he was when he entered the league. They did it during his beast mode playoff years. And while he earns his cap hit now, will he in 3 or 4 years?
That's the problem I have with people referring only to his cap hit and saying he's a value for the money while ignoring term. If it were a 5 year contract it would be more true, but his contract is a cheat. His cap hit is artificially low because of the length and backdiving. So right now I agree $4 mill a year isn't so bad for his production, but it comes at a cost because short of him retiring early to Sweden, the Wings are paying $4 mill a year until 2020.
What will the 38 year old $4 mill a year Franzen look like? I don't really know, but based on his effort as a 33 year old, I'm not optimistic.
Is he talking about "Regular Season" Johan or "Playoff" Johan?
This "confession" would have been more timely if it came before he signed his last contract.
Franzen has said a fair amount of stupid things in interviews, so I'm trying not to read too much into it even though it is irritating.
My bigger concern is Playoff Johan hasn't been seen since 2010. The last three playoffs he's been below a .43 Point Per Game pace. Mule had three explosive playoff years, but those may have been an aberration, not anything close to what could turn out to be his normal production. It used to be people would excuse his taking shifts off by saying "wait til he goes beast mode in the playoffs!" Now it's turned into "for the cap hit he's still not bad."
I'm pretty sure the Wings were hoping they gave an 11 year extension to a guy who's a lot closer to a point per game playoff scoring than what Mule's been scoring the last few postseasons.
Yes, I know for the cap hit he's not terrible. But given his streakiness and lack of compete level as a 33 year old I have to wonder how that $4 million a year will look in a couple seasons.
Zetterberg takes a ton of "days off". When you see how he played the last 10 games and when you see how he played in the middle of the season, why can 't he play like that day in and day out? He also makes 3 million more than Franzen and scores less. It's all perception.
And here is where a lot of Franzen is like Player X comparisons fail, when Z is not scoring, or as you say taking "days off", he is still one of the best defensive forwards in the game.
Franzen when not scoring is one of the biggest wastes of space on the ice.
All you really need to see is him with the puck between the red line and the offensive blue line, if he flips it in the zone and barely skates after it, you are not getting much from him that game.
If he protects the puck and gains the zone, or dumps and chases it, you know he is in the game mentally.
However, when he is not "in it to win it" he is better served in the press box.
I also do not understand the posts about him having size and play maker ability.
When he loafs, he does not create plays, and he almost never uses his size, so how skills he doesn't really use make up for him taking shifts and games off is really confusing to me.
As I have said numerous times on this forum, you take Franzen and give him Tootoo, Abby, Cleary, or Helm's heart and desire and you have an all world talent.
As it is right now, you have a very talented player who often times has little effort and desire.
I can excuse a lack of talent, like Helm's hands of stone, he just doesn't have hands of a Franzen or Bertuzzi even, but I have a very hard time excusing lack of effort!
you do realize that LGW will overflow with Sproul sucks and Ouellet is garbage long before any of the two will make any sort of impact, right? Developing defensemen take time and hardly any make the jump without looking lost early on. This is why suggesting a trade of smith is insane. He will realize that potential, just give him time.
If we're talking about the future, then yes, we should wait for Sproul and Ouellet.
If we're talking about making a Cup run now, with Datsyuk and Zetterberg's prime winding down, then that's a different story. By the time Sproul and Ouellet become good, our two big guns will be retired or no longer good. We should be more concerned about developing star forwards, if the future is what we're looking at.
Like I said, we definitely need a top defenseman, but I don't see how we can acquire one now.
Posted by SensViking
on 01 September 2013 - 06:44 PM
Hi- I come here as friend not foe and I don't intend to stir the pot but just to add my opinion.
Firstly- I am a Sens fan but secondly and maybe more importantly I am an Alfie fan. I'm not sure where I stand on all the off season shenangians but you have got yourself a great player- he smart and makes players around him better.
I have always considered the Western conference to be superior to the East in terms of skill and I think you guys may be selling yourselves a little short.
I think you guys are going to skate circles around the East and cause teams fits for a couple of seasons- until you either devolve or they pick it up.
I watched every game of your playoff series last season against the Hawks and the pace of the game was far and beyond anything I saw in the East.
You can't hit what you can't catch.
I pick Detroit to be in the Final with maybe Piitsburgh...but Detroit will be there- changing of the guard and injuries and you're still scary.
Yeah Ottawa may talk a good game but who knows what team will show up-really.
Toronto is a two trick pony, Montreal all emotion and Subban is so readable,and Boston has lost a step.
Funny video. But I'm not big on the idea of a player saying it's his last season "for sure".
And more interestingly, how has Selanne gotten this "class act" label? Just because a player's 40+ and has played with mostly one team, it's doesn't mean he's a class act. He's no Yzerman, Lidstrom, Sakic, Francis, etc.
Selanne's been a whiner and diver his entire career. So I don't get it.
Since some people seem to be confused with the thread title, I officially re-dub it:
Keep Tootoo, Please Kenny DO NOT Sign UFA Cleary As Some Media Outlets Have Reported That You Wish To Do Because He Is A Drain On The Team And The Cap And Tootoo Would Be Better For The Team On The Fourth Line Than Cleary Would Be On The Third.
The Wings won numerous Cups after the 1995 loss, while they've only gotten worse as a team since the 2009 loss. Of course if we win another Cup with this roster, it would quench the bitterness, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.
Also, they were never close to the Cup in 1995. They were freaking swept. Game 7 at home is as close as you can get to winning the Cup There's so many plays and bounces you can look back on in that 2009 series. What play could have turned the 1995 series around? Hard to point to any, since the team got beat so easily.