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#2435242 X Factor Part Deux

Posted by dobbles on 06 September 2013 - 08:41 AM

i think there are several different ways to look at this.


but to me it has to be smith or dekeyser. we need one of them to permanently earn a top 4 spot to solidify the 2nd pairing. the first pairing was good last year. and since both ericsson an kronwall are veterans, there is no reason to think their play will slip significantly. so both just need to play this season like they did last year and our top pairing is solid. additionally, for whoever ends up in the 3rd pairing, they just need to play to that role. much less is expceted. but whoever ends up on the 2nd pairing will need to grow a lot.


because right now we hav 4 guys that all have question marks. quincey has played a lot of top 4 minutes in the nhl, but has just struggled so much since coming back. i am a quincey backer, and he did play well down the stretch last year, but i still worry if he is relied on as the 3rd defenseman. kindl had a great year last year and really showed his offensive side off. but i still worry that defensively he might be best suited for a 3rd pairing role long term. i hope i'm wrong as i really like kindl, but he would have to have another breakout year to legitimately become a 2nd pairing guy. and then smith and dekeyser i lump together. both have tons of upside. smith has yet to really look solid in the nhl, while dekeyser looked great but only for a very small sample size. so while either of them could grow into a legitimate 2nd pairing player (even as fast as this year) it is also possible they both struggle and are on the 3rd pairing or in the case of dekeyser, down in the ahl.


so thats why one of them would have to take it. as they have the biggest ability to make this years D corps a success or failure. personally i voted for smith. because we have seen such a variety in his play. so that makes him the x factor because he out of anyone has the most wide open season for expectations.

#2435243 Datsyuk Robbed

Posted by Opie on 06 September 2013 - 08:48 AM

"She could steal, but she could not rob"


Yeah and she came in through the bathroom window!!!

#2435204 USA Olympic '14 Jerseys

Posted by Jedi on 05 September 2013 - 11:59 PM

I feel like there is this evil force in the world that is trying to destroy humanity by creating terrible pro hockey jerseys but they don't know what they're doing, big picture-wise. Sort of like the underpants gnomes.


That's about par for the course for Nike.

#2435174 Lines Thread

Posted by Euro_Twins on 05 September 2013 - 07:09 PM

Lidstrom-Cleary Zetterberg








#2435168 Lines Thread

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 05 September 2013 - 06:44 PM

Franzen - Weiss - Zetterberg

Nyquist - Datsyuk - Alfredsson

Tatar - Helm - Bertuzzi

Grimson - Abdelkader - Tootoo



Kronwall - Ericsson

Dekeyser - Quincey

Smith - Kindl

#2434990 Bettman getting a raise (again) 8 - 8,3 million in 2012 - 2013

Posted by Nev on 04 September 2013 - 03:38 PM

Much as I begrudge him every penny, Bettman is a rank amateur when it comes to lining his pockets with his sports money.  Sepp Blatter and Bernie Ecclestone wouldn't bother getting out of bed for $8.3M

#2434982 Wings sign Stephen Weiss, 5-years, $24.5m

Posted by ogreslayer on 04 September 2013 - 03:00 PM

As a matter of fact, he did just that. Haha



Now if Nyquist switches back to 89, I guess I'll have to buy some lottery tickets soon.

#2435007 What forward is the Red Wings X Factor?

Posted by Motown4013 on 04 September 2013 - 06:05 PM

I really like this post....so many factors to consider! I actually think it's Gus and here is my rationale. We know the stellar career Alfie has had and we know what he brings. Weiss was a guy I have wanted since day one and he adds a depth that I love. Hank is a rockstar and Pavel the same. Franzen....well....he is like an unstable relationship that you constantly think about ending because when it's good, it's awesome and when it's bad...it's Sh#t. Gus....all the tools are there. He has good vision, soft hands and he works his Nyqvist off! The guy in my opinion could be the difference on this team, the X factor for the Wings. Put all of talent together with a healthy dose of self confidence and he can EASILY score 20+ goals. The flip side is that if he isn't prepared or gets skittish or overwhlemee by the pace of the game, it really changes the dynamics of the 3rd line!
I hope he is awesome like the player I think he can be and I hope he is the X factor for this team!

#2434997 Buffalo Sabres unveil new third jerseys

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 04 September 2013 - 04:17 PM

The buffalo in the logo looks like it got drunk and fell over, or like it's falling out of the sky and is going to land on the sabres.

I don't mind the back of the jersey at all, but it seems like whoever was creating it took a s*** and died before making his way to the front thus leaving the rest of the jersey to be finished by his 11 year old niece. No offense to 11 year old girls, most of whom could probably design a better jersey.

#2434940 What forward is the Red Wings X Factor?

Posted by wingedominance13 on 04 September 2013 - 11:24 AM

Hopefully this poll works (first time starting one)


But what forward do you think is crucial for making this team a Cup Contender?

#2434830 Franzen: "I am not a goal scorer"

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 03 September 2013 - 05:12 PM

"He lacks fortitude"

"He could do so much more"

I forgot how much time u all spend on the ice and in the locker room with Franzen.

Fact is he gets paid pretty much the exact right amount for how much he produces. I expect players to live up to their price tags and he certainly does.

Many of u seem to think he's failed to meet expectations and offer up all these soft amateur interpretations of his play, but the hard evidence is he lives up to his contract. He was also never expected to be a scorer when he entered the league. Then he scored a few goals and suddenly ppl expect Hull 2.0

Fact is the wings saw a 4 million dollar player, and signed him for just that.

But then again some of you KNOW he could score 40 goals? Right? Jeez


True.  But the Wings did not hand out an 11-year extension based on how he was when he entered the league.  They did it during his beast mode playoff years.  And while he earns his cap hit now, will he in 3 or 4 years? 


That's the problem I have with people referring only to his cap hit and saying he's a value for the money while ignoring term.  If it were a 5 year contract it would be more true, but his contract is a cheat.  His cap hit is artificially low because of the length and backdiving.  So right now I agree $4 mill a year isn't so bad for his production, but it comes at a cost because short of him retiring early to Sweden, the Wings are paying $4 mill a year until 2020.   


What will the 38 year old $4 mill a year Franzen look like?  I don't really know, but based on his effort as a 33 year old, I'm not optimistic. 

#2434806 Franzen: "I am not a goal scorer"

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 03 September 2013 - 12:55 PM

Is he talking about "Regular Season" Johan or "Playoff" Johan?

This "confession" would have been more timely if it came before he signed his last contract.


Franzen has said a fair amount of stupid things in interviews, so I'm trying not to read too much into it even though it is irritating. 


My bigger concern is Playoff Johan hasn't been seen since 2010.  The last three playoffs he's been below a .43 Point Per Game pace.   Mule had three explosive playoff years, but those may have been an aberration, not anything close to what could turn out to be his normal production. It used to be people would excuse his taking shifts off by saying "wait til he goes beast mode in the playoffs!" Now it's turned into "for the cap hit he's still not bad."


I'm pretty sure the Wings were hoping they gave an 11 year extension to a guy who's a lot closer to a point per game playoff scoring than what Mule's been scoring the last few postseasons.


Yes, I know for the cap hit he's not terrible.  But given his streakiness and lack of compete level as a 33 year old I have to wonder how that $4 million a year will look in a couple seasons. 

#2434805 Wings sign Alfredsson to 1-year, $3.5m deal (+$2m bonuses)

Posted by germanwing on 03 September 2013 - 12:48 PM

Ansar Khan @AnsarKhanMLive 

Babcock said Datsyuk will play with Zetterberg and Weiss will play with Franzen. Hasn't decided other wingers on top two lines.


Babcock hasn't decided if Alfredsson will play with 13/40 or Weiss/Franzen. Said Abdelkader could be on top-2 line or 3rd line with Helm.


Babcock said Alfredsson will play the right point, alongside Kronwall, on top PP unit.




deserves an own thread?

#2434793 Franzen: "I am not a goal scorer"

Posted by Opie on 03 September 2013 - 09:27 AM

Zetterberg takes a ton of "days off". When you see how he played the last 10 games and when you see how he played in the middle of the season, why can 't he play like that day in and day out? He also makes 3 million more than Franzen and scores less. It's all perception.


And here is where a lot of Franzen is like Player X comparisons fail, when Z is not scoring, or as you say taking "days off", he is still one of the best defensive forwards in the game.


Franzen when not scoring is one of the biggest wastes of space on the ice.


All you really need to see is him with the puck between the red line and the offensive blue line, if he flips it in the zone and barely skates after it, you are not getting much from him that game.


If he protects the puck and gains the zone, or dumps and chases it, you know he is in the game mentally.


However, when he is not "in it to win it" he is better served in the press box.


I also do not understand the posts about him having size and play maker ability.


When he loafs, he does not create plays, and he almost never uses his size, so how skills he doesn't really use make up for him taking shifts and games off is really confusing to me.


As I have said numerous times on this forum, you take Franzen and give him Tootoo, Abby, Cleary, or Helm's heart and desire and you have an all world talent.


As it is right now, you have a very talented player who often times has little effort and desire.


I can excuse a lack of talent, like Helm's hands of stone, he just doesn't have hands of a Franzen or Bertuzzi even, but I have a very hard time excusing lack of effort!

#2434690 How much do the Wings need another defenseman?

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 02 September 2013 - 11:29 AM

you do realize that LGW will overflow with Sproul sucks and Ouellet is garbage long before any of the two will make any sort of impact, right? Developing defensemen take time and hardly any make the jump without looking lost early on. This is why suggesting a trade of smith is insane. He will realize that potential, just give him time.


If we're talking about the future, then yes, we should wait for Sproul and Ouellet.


If we're talking about making a Cup run now, with Datsyuk and Zetterberg's prime winding down, then that's a different story.  By the time Sproul and Ouellet become good, our two big guns will be retired or no longer good.  We should be more concerned about developing star forwards, if the future is what we're looking at.  


Like I said, we definitely need a top defenseman, but I don't see how we can acquire one now.