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#2433691 San Jose Sharks decide to use practice jerseys from now on...

Posted by T.Low on 20 August 2013 - 07:21 PM

it's the weight of the C that has caused Thornton to underperform.

#2432490 So the consensus on Shanny's #14 is a no?

Posted by Echolalia on 05 August 2013 - 10:29 AM

Anytime that there is even a debate whether someone's number should be retired I feel like they shouldn't be up.

#2430553 Red Wings popularity in Detroit/Michigan

Posted by Z Winged Dangler on 17 July 2013 - 06:51 PM

Hockey is by far the best sport, though it has the worst officiating which is probably due to so many rule changes all the time and deciding what's a penalty. 


Football is 2nd, but I mainly stopped watching cause it gets old quick when every play some overzealous ******* just NEEDS to celebrate the play, no matter what it is.  Holy crapballs!...I ran for 2 yards, here's a pre-cursor to my end zone dance in another 80 yards.


Baseball...home runs are cool, that's about it.  The rest of the game is so painfully boring that if I had to suffer watching an entire game, I'd peel my skin off like a fiending drug addict.


Basketball.  What can I say.  You want a sport that's so much hype...  You can win a championship with 3 good players.  3!  Oh no you di'int just slap my wrist.  Foul!  Look ref, you can see where he slapped me.


Soccer.  They play dead every time someone slide tackles you.  If a football or hockey player (not named Mike Ribeiro) saw that, they would be completely disgusted.


Which brings me back to baseball.  Synchronized swimming is pure excitement compared to that s***.  I'd take the Westminster dog show if given the choice.

#2430322 Brendan Smith signs 2-year, $2.525m contract with Red Wings

Posted by 55fan on 16 July 2013 - 11:18 AM

Pretty reasonable. Why did he file for arbitration then? Holland was throwing 700k per year contract offers at him? 

Arbitration can be an advantage for both parties.  It stops other teams from putting in offer sheets, which allows the team and player to focus on themselves and not worry about others.


It is a sign from both that they are serious about staying together.  If a player goes to arbitration, he is saying that he's not interested in going to another team.  If the team doesn't want him, they can set him free and he can talk to other teams.


It also keeps both parties honest about how much/little they will offer.  The team can't say, "We have your rights so we're going to pay you peanuts." because they might end up paying more than the guy is worth if it goes to arbitration.  By the same token, the player can't hold out beyond what is reasonable because he might end up getting less than he's worth from an arbitrator.


I generally look at it as a good sign if a guy files.  It's like a promise ring between people waiting for agreement on the pre-nup.  You know the wedding's coming soon.

#2426514 Wings sign Alfredsson to 1-year, $3.5m deal (+$2m bonuses)

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 05 July 2013 - 10:58 AM

I wouldn't mind this deal at all if A.) We'd already re-signed Brunner and B.) we'd been able to unload Sammy.

I won't hate this deal as long as we don't re-sign Cleary. I will hate everything if we don't re-sign Brunner.

I don't know if any if these things are related, but I have feels and it makes sense in my head right now.

#2424400 Dreger: Filppula looking for $5.5m/season over at least 7 years

Posted by AtomicPunk on 01 July 2013 - 11:08 AM

I don't want him on this team anymore. Not a condition of term, or how much per year, I just don't. I want this team to get tougher and hungrier, and Flip's style of play, to me, does not equate to these things. Go do that thing you do somewhere else.

#2423255 Jonathan Ericsson - should we consider trading him?

Posted by Echolalia on 28 June 2013 - 10:38 PM

Trading Ericsson would put a massive hole into our lineup and undo years of scouting and developmental work, and we would be getting in return a player with no guarantee that he would even crack the lineup, let alone benefit the Wings. At this point the scouting and development which made Ericsson into the player he is today would have to start over on whomever we drafted with the pick.

#2423220 Jonathan Ericsson - should we consider trading him?

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 28 June 2013 - 08:33 PM

Who would have thought years ago that we'd all be saying "NO" to trading Ericsson.    :confused: 


That's partly from him improving as a defensive defenseman, and partly from Holland not adding much else to our blueline.  

#2423216 Jonathan Ericsson - should we consider trading him?

Posted by number9 on 28 June 2013 - 08:12 PM

Kindl, E, Kronners, and DeKeyser are our only solid D. None of them are going anywhere

#2423219 Jonathan Ericsson - should we consider trading him?

Posted by Ally on 28 June 2013 - 08:30 PM

No to trading Ericsson and NoNoNoNoNo to Quincey on the top pairing.

#2423106 Cap Recapture Calculator

Posted by StormJH1 on 28 June 2013 - 01:12 PM

As big of an opponent as I was against backdiving deals and other 2005 CBA "cheats" and "workarounds", I still think this is massively unfair to teams that signed these deals, all of which were within the rules of the existing CBA and were approved by the league (except for Kovalchuk's first deal).


Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the effect of the recapture penalty to punish NHL front offices for taking advantage of the way cap hits are determined in the first place?  Duncan Keith and Marian Hossa will both make just shy of $8 million next year, but the salary cap treats them as if they were making $5 million.  To retroactively put into place a rule that punishes previously legal conduct makes no sense to me.  I have no problem with recapture penalties going forward (or other rules limiting year-to-year variance on salaries), but that's because teams are now under notice of the rules going forward.


Yes, I understand that the two compliance buyouts were granted to give teams an "out" for that, but that isn't a real solution either, since it forces you to release that player off your team (you can't re-sign a compliance buyout for one year afterwards).  If Zetterberg has kids in Sweden and wants to play there, or just decides that he wants to retire from the NHL for health or personal reasons, it just seems wrong to me that HE should be the one put in the position of tanking the Red Wings' salary cap situation by walking away from the team.


For the reasons stated by the OP, I kind of thought that Franzen was a borderline candidate for a buyout.  He isn't a player like a Datsyuk or Z that I feel could be productive into his late, late 30's.  His knee problems, physical style, and frame suggest a guy that will have a career arc more like Holmstrom, which means we'll be penalized when he hangs it up.

#2423114 Letang Turns Down 8x$7m

Posted by StormJH1 on 28 June 2013 - 01:30 PM

Good God, they really offered him that much?  Letang has "Brian Campbell" written all over him (remember that Blackhawk's contract?).  Or maybe "Sergei Gonchar", for a more familiar, Pens-centric reference.


Top-level offensive performance from defenseman really is a fleeting thing in the NHL.  It's as much a product of your system as it is the skill of the defenseman, and it can be gone in a heartbeat.  Just look at Jay Bouwmeester, or any number of Florida or Nashville defensemen (Andy Delmore?) that were 20 goal scorers once and never again.  True shut down defenders are rare, but that is a commodity that carries over from year to year. 


Yes, Letang is a skilled powerplay weapon, but he also plays with Crosby and Malkin.  Even more than the money, I really wouldn't want Letang on my team if you had to pay him and play him as a #1 defenseman.  He's been involved in way too many 5-4 games where the defense was a complete mess, and that could never have happened as consistently as it did if he were an elite defender along the likes of Chara, Keith, Weber, etc. 

#2422740 Should we trade our 2013 1st round pick?

Posted by The Secret on 27 June 2013 - 01:09 PM

The organizational depth is such that the Wings can likely afford to actually trade up right now.  They could really use a home run scoring forward right now.


I'm with Drake on this one... I'd rather see us trade up if we can and land ourselves a top flight forward that could hopefully come onto the big team right away and make an impact rather than a few extra lower seeded guys that will take a few years to develop

#2422171 Lidstrom or Orr

Posted by kipwinger on 25 June 2013 - 12:08 PM


On that logic, Gretzky was overrated too.  Score 237 points against Price, Kiprusoff or Lundqvist.  Couldn't do it.


Flawed logic.  Orr wouldn't score 150 points in today's league, but I firmly believe he'd lead defensemen in scoring easily.  If he was that far advanced in his era and that good at reading the game, with today's training and equipment, he'd be ahead of this generation of players as well.   


Once again, how come nobody else scored that many points back then on defense?  Oh yeah, that's right, because Larry Robinson, Brad Park, Denis Potvin and others were all overrated.   :rolleyes:     And I could also mention others who played in the 80's, when goalies were even worse and scoring was at its highest.  


I agree, he was better than any other defenseman in his era.  He was the very first "offensive defenseman".  That's the reason he scored so much...because he tried to do it.  In those days all defensemen were stay-at-home.  That's how they played the game.  Bobby revolutionized that.  HOWEVER, saying that he's the best of his age doesn't then also mean that he's the best ever.  Bobby could never do that against today's competition because everybody does it now, and therefore teams plan for it.  Lidstrom would score just as many points, no matter what era, because he scored them classically.  Point shots and assists.  He was just SUPER good at it.  But technically speaking he didn't score in a different way than McInnis, Iafrate, etc. etc. etc. 


I compare the Bruins with Orr to Bill Walsh's 49ers and their "west coast offense".  They tore it up because nobody had seen it or figured it out yet.  However, eventually everybody caught up.  So now, when a team running a west coast offense puts up gaudy numbers (though still less than the 49ers), it's actually more impressive because it's not succeeding because it's new, it's succeeding because it's executed well. 

#2422610 Wings looking to trade before using buyouts

Posted by luvmnger on 27 June 2013 - 03:01 AM

trade emmerton, the rights to fil and the 3rd pick to winnipeg for burmistrov ( he is 21...its like a draft pick!)


sign weiss...kick the tires on a malone deal


lose bert, sammy, toots, cleary,colo,white


we still have abs,miller,eaves,helm to hit.


scour the buyouts for a defenceman that can hold down the 5-6-7spot


the last i looked...we lost to pitt=no scoring       ( im looking at you..hossa)

                                        to san jose=no scoring

                                        to nashville=no scoring

                                        to chicago up 3-1 games= no scoring


i think the d was fine...it was the lack of something..something


the east is overrated about its toughness.