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#2534956 Fedorov and Yzerman vs. Datsyuk and Zetterberg

Posted by Son of a Wing on 26 August 2014 - 05:46 PM

Boyd Devereaux and Jason Williams

#2534906 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by krsmith17 on 25 August 2014 - 08:11 AM

I really wish people would stop with this, "well we haven't done ANYTHING in the past 5 years", blah, blah, blah... How many times does it have to be said and how the hell is it not obvious to some of you that the Detroit Red Wings are in the midst of their second rebuild in the past two decades, without once missing the playoffs?... That is not that impressive at all... I mean, most teams in the league have done that haven't they?... NOPE, not even close... The Wings streak is at 23 consecutive seasons without missing the playoffs, after that there is the Sharks at 10, Penguins at 8, Bruins 7, Blackhawks 6, Kings 5, Rangers 4, Blues 3, and no other team has made the playoffs more than the past 2 seasons straight. That is absolutely insane when you actually think about it... To continue to make the playoffs for this long, through two rebuilds is nothing short of astonishing, and I'm willing to bet that the Wings make it at least another 7 years to beat the Boston Bruins 29 year playoff streak from '67-'96.


People that do not see the brightness at the end of this tunnel, that has been the past 5 years, are pessimists to their truest form. How can you not be thrilled as a Red Wings fan, not only because of the "stupid, not-at-all-impressive streak", but because of all of the talent that we have coming up over the next few seasons.


To say that there is no way that Jurco can turn out to be as good as Datsyuk is very bleak in my opinion. Jurco has accomplished more than Datsyuk had accomplished at the tender age of 21. Jurco has already got his first taste of NHL action and played quite well for a rookie, while Datsyuk wasn't even drafted until he was 20 and didn't play his first season in the NHL until he was 23. They both have great hands, obviously Pav gets the edge there though since he has better hands than anyone that has ever played the game. Jurco definitely has the size advantage, as he is 3 inches taller and already closing in on 200 lbs., whereas Pav is around the same now but came into the league as a rookie somewhere between 175-180 lbs.


I also think that Nyquist has the potential to become somewhat of a Zetterberg lite. Nyquist is slightly behind Zetterberg in production at the same age but he does have a slightly better point percentage. In Zetterberg's first two seasons he put up 87 points in 140 games, 0.621 points per game, while in Nyquist' first three partial seasons, he put up 61 points in 97 games, 0.628 points per game. Gus has the same drive and determination that makes Hank such a world class player, and he also seems to have the same type of leadership qualities. They're both approximately the same height and weight when they were the same age, while Hank has put on some muscle over the years, Gus still has plenty of room to grow as well.


The Wings definitely have a few potential future stars up front in Nyquist, Jurco and Mantha, but to go along with that I think we have much more depth coming than we have ever had before. Sheahan, Tatar, Pulkkinen and Athanasiou are all potential top 6 players, and Nastasiuk, Bertuzzi and Callahan could be great 3rd and 4th line players. I'm not quite sure where Janmark, Nosek, and Frk will fit in but they're quality players as well. Then you have guys like Larkin and Turgeon that we just drafted that I think could be along their way in about five years as well.


On the back end we also have a few potential future stars in Smith, DeKeyser and Sproul as well as guys like Ouellet, Backman, Marchenko and Jensen. And of course between the pipes, we have Mrazek coming along quite nicely, and he could be a future top 5 goalie in this league.


I realize that all of this, as of right now, is just "potential" but with as many high end prospects that we have, at least a few of them have to turn into quality players. We have one of the best prospect pools in the entire league because we have one of the best general managers in the league, as well as top scouts and development teams in the league (credit to Holland for putting this management team together). I'll never understand some of the constant negative attitudes in here, but to each their own. What a boring forum this would be without you guys lol.

#2534527 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by kliq on 18 August 2014 - 08:34 PM


Ehrhoff, Niskanen are a big deal because they would have fixed an ever increasing hole since Lidas left.


Holland and some fans need to realize the time where players would come here for less are over. The Wings nowadays are just one of the teams asking for their service and if the money isn't comparable or hence better they won't sign. Overpayment and taking risks are part of a  GMs job, UFA is also known as overpayment day but guess what ? I would have given Suter, Parise even 15 years if it means we are getting to see another cup for Mr. I, Pasha and Z after they've done so much for this former TOP destination in the NHL.


Whats the point of having capsapce if the top guys aren't hitting UFA anymore or you aren't going to use it t o your  advantage ? Add to that it's not like the capspace has been used wisely this off-season either, overpayment for 2 players and third on the cusp of getting re-signed which doesn't leave a lot for a local hero (Danny D) is that smart cap management ? I don't think so.


Also Holland didn't take a risks and still lost a trades by a landslide (Poilé absolutely schooled him) so losing a big trade is much better than getting schooled by another gm, as did Yzerman two years ago..


As for McDavid the competition is fierce and tough you need to outtank: Buffalo, Florida, Winnipeg, Edmonton, New York, Calgary and maybe even Phoenix but keep in mind the second pick is also a great one Eichel will be a star in this league too.


I think you and I have a HUGE difference in opinion on the skill level of Erhoff and Niskanen.

Niskanen has played in the NHL for 7 seasons and his points totals are the following: 26, 35, 15, 10, 21, 14, 46.


His 46 points last season statistically seem more like an outlier then a true reflection of his ability. This should be a huge red flag to GM's and I am glad Holland didnt give in to the pressure and outbid Washington, I dont want a guy for 7 years for the kind of money that Washington threw at him. If an impact D-man was available in UFA (say a Shea Weber caliber D-man), I would be the first person to say sign him to a long term deal for top dollars, but Niskanen is not that guy. He would not be the difference in us winning a cup or not winning a cup. He may make us slightly better for maybe a few years, then his cap hit would hinder us a few years into his contract.


Ehroff is 32 and appears to be regressing. I believe (I could be wrong) he saw the year Niskanen had offensively playing with Crosby/Malkin and co. and signed a one year deal hoping to up his value so next year he can sign a huge contract. Also, not a guy I feel puts us over the top. I would have loved if we got him at 1 year, 4mil but from what I have heard he wanted much more term/$ to play for the Wings. Glad we didn't overpay.


Whats the point of having capspace? So when your core become UFA/RFA, you can sign them to long term deals rather then lose them. I would be totally fine with signing the guys above to 1 year deals to see what happens, but that wasn't an option. I don't want a stupid signing now to hurt us in 2016 or 2020 etc. when we need to re-sign guys like Nyquist, Tatar, Jurco, Mantha etc.


The Nashville trade.......it may end up being a horrible trade, I'm not going to argue either way, but you cant know that now. In 3 years we will know if that trade was bad or not.  


#2534339 Kevin Hayes

Posted by nawein on 15 August 2014 - 07:06 PM

Wait. Chicago gets a second for failing to sign one of it's draft picks, and we get nothing for having half of our front office stolen?

#2534176 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 13 August 2014 - 03:56 PM

This is a good piece:
Core Values: Henrik Zetterberg at center of transitioning Red Wings [Chris Peters, CBSSports.com]

Good article. Also,

"Kronwall has remained an effective No. 1 defenseman for the team."


#2534165 Alfie wants to play

Posted by DickieDunn on 13 August 2014 - 03:09 PM







Those would be the 4 regular lines if I was the coach, at least to start the season and assuming everyone is good to go health wise.  Callahan would get one reserve spot, the other would be a toss up between Glendening and Joakim "Swedish Emmerton" Andersson, depending on if I wanted a tenacious but unskilled bull dog or a guy with some skill but zero grit as a spare center.  I'd probably go with Glendening.  If I felt really pressured, I'd play Cleary 5 minutes a night the first 10 games to get his bonus then demote him and recall Callahan.

#2534149 Alfie wants to play

Posted by DickieDunn on 13 August 2014 - 11:29 AM

The things Jurco needs to work on can be done in the NHL. He's ready. Even more importantly, he brings a much needed blend of skill and physical play. They can easily keep both Jurco and Alfredsson, Helm or Sheahan centers the third line and the other one between Miller and Abdelkader. Andersson, Cleary, Glendening, Ferraro, and Callahan can fight for the two reserve spots. Any of those 5 would be no great loss in the event they were claimed.

#2534096 Helmer: First one to get a herniated disc in the new Season?

Posted by 55fan on 12 August 2014 - 01:55 PM

Herlmer? Don't remember him being on our team lol. Must be related to hertl.

This must be why bans didn't like tootoo. Always making helm carry the load.

Bans didn't like tootoo? 


I'm a bit more worried that the Tootoos are honeymooning in Hawaii and Herlmer is with them.  Now that's carrying the load above and beyond the call o' duty.


Or maybe this is a different occasion.


Or maybe Herlmer and his lady split and Tootoo is teaching him how to pick up chicks. 

Commence the motorboat jokes.  I'm done for the day.


EDIT: was misspelling Herlmer as Hermler.  Can't have that.

#2533687 Candiens, P.K. Subban agree to 8 year contract

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 04 August 2014 - 01:37 PM

Here's Subban with his NBA attitude, putting himself above his teammates, putting himself above the league, and generally making it all about himself. 





(I was being sarcastic)



In interviews and what I saw on CH24 he comes across as one of the more well spoken and humble players in the league.  

#2533694 Candiens, P.K. Subban agree to 8 year contract

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 04 August 2014 - 05:02 PM

Ya I completely agree. I know in the playoffs they talk a lot about him and sometimes he shows his high emotions. But at least he cares nothing irritates me more then when people have show no emotion. It's ok to be happy and pissed at times that apart of hockey.


Agreed.  Doughty is very much the same way.  


I wouldn't want the NHL to start looking like the NFL where every minor play is celebrated like they just won the Super Bowl, but these are young guys playing a sport they love.  It's okay to have fun and show some emotion. 


I also like that he admits that he likes to throw hard hits so he regretted going after OV for a clean hard hit.  


Lucic's nut spearing and butthurt antics in the handshake line are much worse than anything I've ever seen Subban do. 

#2533610 Candiens, P.K. Subban agree to 8 year contract

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 03 August 2014 - 12:06 PM

 I just don't really understand why he gets as much criticism as he does for what are usually very minor things.

I do. People just don't like to admit it.

I am in no way saying that the people who dislike him here at LGW do so for race-related reasons, but the reality is that prejudice is, unfortunately, alive and well within the hockey community. Does he have a bit of moxie? Sure. But if he were a white Canadian *some* people wouldn't look twice at his actions or have a problem with his "attitude." I don't think there is anything over the top about P.K.'s actions, and he is a young kid who will continue to mature.

Mods, feel free to delete if you think this will stir s*** or incite politics discussions, but I felt it needed to be said.

#2533608 Candiens, P.K. Subban agree to 8 year contract

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 03 August 2014 - 11:55 AM

Sure for me it means: acting like you are above the team, over the top celebrations, butting heads with your coach and/or teammates. I really can't stand such attitudes stopped following soccer after it became more like the NBA too, I think this trend with more and more young cocky guys such as Kadri, Yakupov, Eller and him is alarming :( Their franchise is and has been Price Trust me I understand the whole microscope point that's why I've said pay him a bit more and be done with it. I really thought the arbitrator would have awarded less.. If I'm paying 9 per for a defenseman my first priority would be can I trust his defensive skills when the game is on the line? And just like Karlsson I wouldn't they are offensive defenseman and good ones at that but not reliable in their own end.


How has he acted like he is above the team?  What over the top celebrations?  I've seen him be incredibly excited for a goal but I've never seen him do a dance over a flaming stick or anything.  It sounds like their relationship is actually fine now but Therrien is as much to blame with his handling of Subban and any friction there. 


If they thought the arbitrator would have awarded less, they would've done that.  They just locked Subban up for his prime years and he's likely only going to get better. 


Like I said, I'm not even particularly a huge fan of the guy.  I just don't really understand why he gets as much criticism as he does for what are usually very minor things.  I don't lump him in with the guys who are sliding down on one knee and pointing their stick at the goalie like a rifle.  Or flopping all over the ice to draw penalties.  Guys like Ryan Clowe can interfere with the play from the bench and it's somehow no big deal.  Shawn Thornton squirts water in Subban's face during play and it's somehow just gamesmanship.  


Can you imagine the reaction if Subban had done that to someone? 

#2533596 Candiens, P.K. Subban agree to 8 year contract

Posted by RyanBarnes! on 03 August 2014 - 03:25 AM

I would also count Subban as an elite defenseman, he may not be as complete as Weber but he is also not as one dimensional as Mike Green. He is definitely a game changer as seen in the series vs the Bruins. I think Subban is much more of a team guy than he is given credit for. He is no Yakupov by any stretch.

#2533568 Candiens, P.K. Subban agree to 8 year contract

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 02 August 2014 - 07:29 PM

If we had a player like Subban and he was given this contract, I doubt many people here would be upset.  

#2533182 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by PumpIron on 28 July 2014 - 02:40 PM

im gonna say Dekeyser at 3.75mil per for 3 years and Tatar 2.75mil per for 3

Looks like i was right for tatar