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#2533610 Candiens, P.K. Subban agree to 8 year contract

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 03 August 2014 - 12:06 PM

 I just don't really understand why he gets as much criticism as he does for what are usually very minor things.


I do. People just don't like to admit it.

I am in no way saying that the people who dislike him here at LGW do so for race-related reasons, but the reality is that prejudice is, unfortunately, alive and well within the hockey community. Does he have a bit of moxie? Sure. But if he were a white Canadian *some* people wouldn't look twice at his actions or have a problem with his "attitude." I don't think there is anything over the top about P.K.'s actions, and he is a young kid who will continue to mature.

Mods, feel free to delete if you think this will stir s*** or incite politics discussions, but I felt it needed to be said.


#2533608 Candiens, P.K. Subban agree to 8 year contract

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 03 August 2014 - 11:55 AM

Sure for me it means: acting like you are above the team, over the top celebrations, butting heads with your coach and/or teammates. I really can't stand such attitudes stopped following soccer after it became more like the NBA too, I think this trend with more and more young cocky guys such as Kadri, Yakupov, Eller and him is alarming :( Their franchise is and has been Price Trust me I understand the whole microscope point that's why I've said pay him a bit more and be done with it. I really thought the arbitrator would have awarded less.. If I'm paying 9 per for a defenseman my first priority would be can I trust his defensive skills when the game is on the line? And just like Karlsson I wouldn't they are offensive defenseman and good ones at that but not reliable in their own end.

 

How has he acted like he is above the team?  What over the top celebrations?  I've seen him be incredibly excited for a goal but I've never seen him do a dance over a flaming stick or anything.  It sounds like their relationship is actually fine now but Therrien is as much to blame with his handling of Subban and any friction there. 

 

If they thought the arbitrator would have awarded less, they would've done that.  They just locked Subban up for his prime years and he's likely only going to get better. 

 

Like I said, I'm not even particularly a huge fan of the guy.  I just don't really understand why he gets as much criticism as he does for what are usually very minor things.  I don't lump him in with the guys who are sliding down on one knee and pointing their stick at the goalie like a rifle.  Or flopping all over the ice to draw penalties.  Guys like Ryan Clowe can interfere with the play from the bench and it's somehow no big deal.  Shawn Thornton squirts water in Subban's face during play and it's somehow just gamesmanship.  

 

Can you imagine the reaction if Subban had done that to someone? 




#2533596 Candiens, P.K. Subban agree to 8 year contract

Posted by RyanBarnes! on 03 August 2014 - 03:25 AM

I would also count Subban as an elite defenseman, he may not be as complete as Weber but he is also not as one dimensional as Mike Green. He is definitely a game changer as seen in the series vs the Bruins. I think Subban is much more of a team guy than he is given credit for. He is no Yakupov by any stretch.


#2533568 Candiens, P.K. Subban agree to 8 year contract

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 02 August 2014 - 07:29 PM

If we had a player like Subban and he was given this contract, I doubt many people here would be upset.  




#2533182 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by PumpIron on 28 July 2014 - 02:40 PM

im gonna say Dekeyser at 3.75mil per for 3 years and Tatar 2.75mil per for 3

Looks like i was right for tatar




#2533473 Predictions for the DRW 2014-15 Season!

Posted by wings_fanatic on 01 August 2014 - 04:49 PM

Last season Howard costed us around 10 games before Jan.1st and then after that he found his game. To add to that, We missed Pav and Hank for half the season, Weiss pretty much the whole season, Helm off and on all year, Franzen was hit or miss, Alfie missed time, Danny D, Smith and Ericsson all missed chunks of time. Going into this season, with a very good schedule that we have, a fresh healthy load, there is NO REASON to think that this team cannot do substantially better than we did last year. I mean for God sake, in March alone, we litererally did not have Pav, Hank, Weiss, Helm, Anderson (5 centerman) hence why we had to trade for Legwand. I would LOVE to see how any other team in the league would fare in that situation. Lets stop being so negative and wait to see what our healthy team can do, with the kids also playing important roles.




#2533472 Predictions for the DRW 2014-15 Season!

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 01 August 2014 - 04:47 PM

 

I like you, frank, but I just can't get behind this. You're saying that at our best - which, as 2013 showed, is really quite good - we barely squeak into the playoffs in the weak East, and, to me, that's giving the conference way too much credit. I get that there's this narrative that we're barely clinging to life and THIS is the season that the playoff streak comes to an end, but I think it's largely just that - a narrative. Had we added Datsyuk in free agency, people would be saying, "Holy s***, Zetterberg and Datsyuk?! And they've got all these young studs like Nyquist?! This team's gonna be GREAT!" In fact, going into last season, a lot of the "experts" had us down for second or third in the Atlantic. Did we learn this past season that the conference is super-tough? No, we got destroyed by stupid-ass injuries - and, even then, we still made the playoffs.

 

The Bruins are an elite contender. They're a team built to win the Cup, and I'm not sure we stand a chance against them in the playoffs even with a healthy roster. But the Bruins are the only powerhouse in the Eastern Conference. Behind them are the Penguins, who feasted on a terrible division and didn't seem like world-beaters any of the times we played them; maybe the Rangers, who were lucky to make it to the Finals and are probably a weaker team this season (losing Pouliot and Boyle and Stralman is a big blow for them and they know it); maybe the Canadiens, who were terrible for stretches this past season and are, I think, entirely dependent on their goalie (look at their roster. Tell me, with a straight face, that they're much deeper and much more formidable than us); maybe the Lightning, who are setting themselves up for great success in the future but aren't there yet and very likely overachieved this past season because Bishop played out of his mind (remember: they lost him for the first round and the Habs streamrolled them); and I'm not even going to mention the Flyers or Capitals or Leafs or Senators or Devils or Hurricanes.

 

I believe the East is wide, wide open. I don't believe the Wings are truly a fringe team.


Think of all the points we pissed away. We get a few of those back, and we're not an 8th seed.

 

I can't imagine we don't substantially improve on this past season.

 

I agree. With the state of the East and also our horrendous injury record from last season, this team is definitely capable of grabbing the number 4 seed, if not 3. While I will remain reserved until we see how the early part of the year plays out, I'm cautiously optimistic. 

 

Think about it. We've got Gus and Tatar not only starting the season on the roster, but they're both playing solid minutes each and every night. Add Sheahan into the mix, and Jurco, although he's looking like the first recall right now, pending what happens with Cleary. Even just with those 4 kids, that's a massive improvement right there. Increased speed, scoring depth and a little size with Sheahan. A healthy D and Z will be key, and getting Weiss going will really help too. 

 

Obviously there will be injuries. But if they're less frequent, and to less important players, then there's every reason to think that the Wings will at least challenge for a much higher seed, made all the more believable in my eyes by the fact that really only the Lightning got better in the East this offseason (of those that made the playoffs). 

 

Like I said, cautious optimism I think is how I'm approaching the upcoming year. 




#2533390 Samuelsson signs new contract....... with Djurgarden.

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 30 July 2014 - 08:49 PM

 

I started to actually watch every game in 07 so I've never seen him play

 

Which is what makes it ( IMO )

 

I can't put into words what you missed.  




#2533341 Samuelsson signs new contract....... with Djurgarden.

Posted by anthonyn66 on 30 July 2014 - 07:44 AM

The dots in the title..... WERE SO UNNECESSARY!!

 

Had a half second heart attack




#2533283 Samuelsson signs new contract....... with Djurgarden.

Posted by ShanahanMan on 29 July 2014 - 11:28 AM

Where's the loyalty, Kenny?


#2532911 Wings sign Zengerle

Posted by number9 on 23 July 2014 - 09:06 PM

watching his highlights I he seems like a veryyyy good first pass guy. I know we have a lot of those, but if he keeps improving I can't imagine what he could do with guys like Jurco, Tatar, and Pulikkenen on his wings. Good signing. He and Miele could end up being very good acquisitions in the near future.




#2532870 Alfie wants to play

Posted by kipwinger on 23 July 2014 - 09:57 AM

I like this. I think I mentioned a while back in another thread that we don't have any players that are consistently fighting for the tough areas in front of the net. Cleary used to be good at it, Abdelkader kinda, but his role on the team is constantly shifting. Jurco and Sheahan maybe as they continue to develop. Franzen? Lol. There's a niche waiting to be occupied, and as you mentioned, Callahan has thrived in the AHL with all the necessary tools.

 

I agree.  And doesn't he just seem like a guy that Babcock would like?  He's gritty, hardworking, defensively responsible AND can score goals now and again?  I imagine Babs says those words to himself over and over in the mirror when trying to get aroused. 




#2532868 Alfie wants to play

Posted by Echolalia on 23 July 2014 - 09:52 AM

 
I don't understand why Callahan doesn't just become the new Holmstrom?  He's clearly tough as hell, has a scoring touch around the crease, and isn't afraid to stand in front of slap shots.  Plus, he's actually good defensively and on special teams.
 
In another dimension (one where the Wings don't have Andersson or Cleary or Glendening on the opening night roster) I'd pencil this kid in as my fourth line winger, penalty killer, and net front on my 2nd PP unit. 

I like this. I think I mentioned a while back in another thread that we don't have any players that are consistently fighting for the tough areas in front of the net. Cleary used to be good at it, Abdelkader kinda, but his role on the team is constantly shifting. Jurco and Sheahan maybe as they continue to develop. Franzen? Lol. There's a niche waiting to be occupied, and as you mentioned, Callahan has thrived in the AHL with all the necessary tools.


#2532864 Alfie wants to play

Posted by kipwinger on 23 July 2014 - 09:13 AM

The Detroit Red Wings have long had the philosophy that prospects need to be "ripe" before they make the jump to the National Hockey League. That means after getting drafted, our prospects spend around 3-5 years between junior or overseas and the AHL before finally getting their shot in the NHL. This has proven to be successful for many years now and I don't see them drastically changing that system any time soon.

 

I don't see there being much of a chance that Mantha makes the big club this season, despite how highly fans, media and management regard him, nor do I think Jurco will start the season in the NHL. I'm actually a fan of the Red Wing way, of over ripening players, and I like the idea of having a farm oozing with talent. Depth is probably the biggest key to a teams success in the league today, and because of our drafting, development and ripening methods, we are definitely stacked with depth in the minors.

 

There is a reason players like Nyquist and Tatar were able to jump into the NHL with little to no growing pains, while highly regarded players drafted by other teams get thrown in the fire too early and flame out due to not being ready, and having their confidence destroyed. I'm just as excited for all these kids as anyone but I think it would be a huge mistake to throw them in the best league in the world before they're fully ready, both physically and mentally. In my opinion, on the back end, Marchenko could be ready for full time duty in the NHL, other than that I think Backman, Ouellet, Sproul and Jensen can all use more seasoning in the AHL. Up front, Jurco is the closest to being ready, but could still use another season down in the minors, along with Pulkkinen, Mantha, Athanasiou, etc.

 

Anyway, point being, I don't think there is any harm in resigning a future hall-of-famer, veteran like Alfredsson, allowing all of our forward prospects another season in Grand Rapids to round out there game. Having these guys getting top line minutes and loads of PP time down in Grand Rapids, to me is a lot more beneficial than getting 3rd line minutes and no PP time up in Detroit.

 

 

As for our RFA's that are not waiver exempt, I don't think there is any chance whatsoever that any team picks up Nestrasil, with a slim chance a team takes a chance on Ferraro, although that may be even less likely now with uncle Tony now as the assistant coach. My only fear is that we lose Callahan. The kid is coming off a career year with the Griffins, is an absolute warrior and would be a great addition to any teams 4th line. I hope Holland doesn't give any team the chance to claim him. No he's not going to put up a lot of points but I think he would be a huge loss...

 

I don't understand why Callahan doesn't just become the new Holmstrom?  He's clearly tough as hell, has a scoring touch around the crease, and isn't afraid to stand in front of slap shots.  Plus, he's actually good defensively and on special teams.

 

In another dimension (one where the Wings don't have Andersson or Cleary or Glendening on the opening night roster) I'd pencil this kid in as my fourth line winger, penalty killer, and net front on my 2nd PP unit. 




#2532861 Alfie wants to play

Posted by krsmith17 on 23 July 2014 - 08:47 AM

The Detroit Red Wings have long had the philosophy that prospects need to be "ripe" before they make the jump to the National Hockey League. That means after getting drafted, our prospects spend around 3-5 years between junior or overseas and the AHL before finally getting their shot in the NHL. This has proven to be successful for many years now and I don't see them drastically changing that system any time soon.

 

I don't see there being much of a chance that Mantha makes the big club this season, despite how highly fans, media and management regard him, nor do I think Jurco will start the season in the NHL. I'm actually a fan of the Red Wing way, of over ripening players, and I like the idea of having a farm oozing with talent. Depth is probably the biggest key to a teams success in the league today, and because of our drafting, development and ripening methods, we are definitely stacked with depth in the minors.

 

There is a reason players like Nyquist and Tatar were able to jump into the NHL with little to no growing pains, while highly regarded players drafted by other teams get thrown in the fire too early and flame out due to not being ready, and having their confidence destroyed. I'm just as excited for all these kids as anyone but I think it would be a huge mistake to throw them in the best league in the world before they're fully ready, both physically and mentally. In my opinion, on the back end, Marchenko could be ready for full time duty in the NHL, other than that I think Backman, Ouellet, Sproul and Jensen can all use more seasoning in the AHL. Up front, Jurco is the closest to being ready, but could still use another season down in the minors, along with Pulkkinen, Mantha, Athanasiou, etc.

 

Anyway, point being, I don't think there is any harm in resigning a future hall-of-famer, veteran like Alfredsson, allowing all of our forward prospects another season in Grand Rapids to round out there game. Having these guys getting top line minutes and loads of PP time down in Grand Rapids, to me is a lot more beneficial than getting 3rd line minutes and no PP time up in Detroit.

 

 

As for our RFA's that are not waiver exempt, I don't think there is any chance whatsoever that any team picks up Nestrasil, with a slim chance a team takes a chance on Ferraro, although that may be even less likely now with uncle Tony now as the assistant coach. My only fear is that we lose Callahan. The kid is coming off a career year with the Griffins, is an absolute warrior and would be a great addition to any teams 4th line. I hope Holland doesn't give any team the chance to claim him. No he's not going to put up a lot of points but I think he would be a huge loss...