Posted by krsmith17
on 12 December 2014 - 09:37 AM
I'd love to have Yandle on this team but I just don't see it happening. He has been rumored to be "on the trading block" forever and he's still soaking up the sun in Arizona. What it would take to get him here, I don't think would be worth in the long run. That's just my opinion... We also desperately need a couple right handed shots on our blue line, so Green is more attractive to me for that reason alone. They're both very similar type players, but Green should come much cheaper, being on an expiring contract. Washington also have a glut of NHL defensemen and their team probably needs a bit of a shakeup if they want a chance at making the playoffs this season...
Posted by kipwinger
on 12 December 2014 - 09:15 AM
Brian Rafalski wasn't "great in his own zone either", but I don't recall anybody complaining about his 40-50 pts., transition game, and powerplay ability. Not every defenseman is a two way superstar. Doesn't mean they can't be exceptionally valuable to the right club.
Also, Yandle's "defensive shortcomings" are overblown. He's not bad defensively, none of Phoenix's defensemen are. Tippet is a defense first coach, and he plays a defensive system. Yandle's as good or better defensively than probably three or four of our defensemen. It's just a label he got suck with as a 20 year old that dummies keep repeating ad nauseam to justify not wanting him. Is he a shutdown guy or two way superstar? No. Know who else isn't? Kronwall. Smith. Karlsson. Shattenkirk. Wisniewski. Subban. Faulk. Ehrhoff. Burns. Edler. etc. etc. etc. Yet all of them are good players and none of them are liabilities. Neither is Yandle.
I'm sick of this "he's not great in his own zone" argument. Not every player on a team needs to excel two ways. Also, the argument is usually only used to malign players we're already convinced we don't like, considering more players than not do not excel at the two way game.
I have not been shy about saying that I think this team is playing well enough to make a real stink in the playoffs. I haven't been so excited watching a Wings team in some time, and I really think even with no moves made, they've got a real good chance to make some noise. For them to make a real run though, Howard will have to be at his best in the playoffs. He's fully capable and I think he's had a great bounce back year, so I'm really, ridiculously, and exceedingly excited to see how things go down the stretch. It's going to be fun fun either way if the start is any indication.
Season series: The Philadelphia Flyers extended their string of regular-season home victories against the Detroit Red Wings to nine in the first matchup, with Flyers forward Michael Raffl scoring two goals and an assist. It was the first home victory of the season for Philadelphia, which won two of three games against Detroit last season.
Red Wings team scope: Veteran forward Stephen Weiss scored two goals Monday in the Red Wings' 4-3 home win against the Ottawa Senators in his return from a groin injury that held him out for all but one of the Red Wings' first 20 games. Center Pavel Datsyuk (groin), who has missed four straight games and six of the past eight, also could return against the Flyers. After centering the third line in practice Tuesday, Datsyuk's availability will be determined after Detroit's morning skate Wednesday. If he plays, look for second-year forward Tomas Jurco to get bumped from the lineup. Defenseman Brendan Smith (hand infection) returned to practice, but likely will need more time to recover despite being eligible to come off injured reserve Wednesday. Goaltender Jimmy Howard will start against Philadelphia.
Flyers team scope: Goalie Steve Mason stopped 46 shots through regulation and overtime before allowing goals in the shootout to forwards Frans Nielsen and John Tavares in a 1-0 defeat to the New York Islanders on Monday. It was the continuation of a frustrating trend for the Flyers, who have dropped all three of their shootouts this season and eight straight dating back to last season. Philadelphia was 3-8 in shootouts in 2013-14 and have an NHL-worst 27-54 record in shootouts since they were instituted in 2005-06. The Flyers continue an eight-game stretch that will send them on the road for all but one game. Philadelphia is averaging 2.1 goals per game on the road compared to 3.5 per game at home. Raffl (foot) has missed eight games, but practiced Tuesday in Detroit and could return this weekend.
That's why Ryan O'Reilly's #1 on my wish list. He'd give us our elite two-way 1C of the future, and in the meantime you could use him as a top-line winger. I'd be willing to pay quite a bit for this guy.
How much are you willing to pay? Lets hear your trade offer?
Posted by Echolalia
on 23 November 2014 - 04:53 PM
If I had to guess, I would say that the age distribution of our team may be playing a role. One one end, we have our current core of Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, Kronwall, all on the wrong side of 33. They're still great players, but the Wings cant lean on them as heavily as they used to, and I don't think it fair to expect them to string together win streaks entirely on their shoulders. And on the other end of the spectrum, we have our up-and-coming core (give or take) of Nyqvist, Tatar, Sheahan, Dekeyser, etc etc all south of 25 years old. They're great players, but not quite in their prime, and not quite experiened enough to be the leaders of this team. If you look at the players that we have between 25 and 30 years old (which I'm arbitrarily defining as prime years just based on the notion that folks in this age range tend to have a few solid years of NHL experience under their belt, and are still young enough in most cases not to have lost a step or be plagued by injuries) we have Abdelkader (27), Andersson (25), Glendening (25), Helm (27), Miller (30), Nyquist (25), and Smith (25). Four of those seven players are on our fourth line. I think its also worth pointing out that even though I arbitrarily picked 25-30 as prime years, based in part due to NHL experience, Glendening, Andersson, Nyquist and Smith have all played less than 140 NHL games, which means that sweet spot between solid skill and durability, and solid experience is going to be delayed a few more years in these guys.
But who knows whats really going on.
I just took a look at the standings at NHL.com, and right now there are only three teams currently riding 3-game winning streaks. Everyone else has streaks smaller than that (or losing streaks). Theres also 23 of 30 teams within 10 points of eachother league-wide. I don't know what each team has looked like streak-wise over the course of the entire season so far, but teams are more closely matched than in the past, which can also be playing a role.
Posted by LeftWinger
on 23 November 2014 - 09:16 AM
If we could land Perron and or Petry, that just may give us a little shakeup that may spark something. Question, Kindl is already a healthy scratch most nights, IF the Wings were able to land BOTH Perron and Petry, which defensemen go? Do you think Q would be part of that trade or would we lose a prospect? I really don't like the idea of losing ANY of of D prosepects, XO, Sproul, Jensen, Marchenko, Backman, Nedomlel, Wheaton, McNulty and Dehass are all very important to this team IMO. We still own the rights to Almqvist, although I do not think he will come back the NHL even if his rights were traded. I know you have to give to get, and trading Q and K is not going to get you Perron or Petry, let alone both.
Looking back at that list of prospects, are we going to have room for these guys when they are out of exemptions in a few years? Same situation as Nestrasil, you groom your prospects to become NHL ready, then lose them because you have no room on the NHL team. Do we risk trading one or two of those guys along with an established NHL'r?
I know Edmonton wants a 2nd line center, Weiss is NOT going to waive his NTC to go there. I think Edmonton asks for Sheahan before Helm or Andersson. No thanks, so I think unless they'll take a 1st round pick instead, we are out. Sheahan is a no trade IMO.
To me, this is a transition/development year. We're not really looking to balls-out contend quite yet. We're setting up for next season, two seasons from now, three seasons from now. Case in point: we've got all of six skaters who are solidly in their prime years, and they are Helm, Abdelkader, Miller, Quincey, Kindl, Ericsson. (Woof.) And, just as tellingly, we're carrying ten skaters who are 25 or younger (i.e. not yet solidly in their prime years): Nyquist, Tatar, Sheahan, Jurco, Andersson, Glendening, Smith, DeKeyser, Lashoff, Ouellet. And we've got Mantha, Pulkkinen, Sproul, et al. on the horizon.
When you look at it that way, and you consider how well this team's done through these first 18 games (23 points, 50 GF, 42 GA, strong possession numbers, top-end PK, six players with ten or more points), I think you have to be pretty happy with what's going on and pretty excited about what's to come.
Hell, I'm not convinced we don't stand a chance to make a stink in the playoffs this year, even if we don't make any deals. We're certainly more poised than we've been the last couple of years with this roster playing as well as they have been. If Babcock can get them to elevate their game for the playoffs and Howard really locks it down, they just might surprise a whole lot of people.
Where have you heard that Mantha, plus our first, plus... would be involved in a trade for Myers? It seems like every trade that we're "linked to", Mantha is the guy that other teams want. The problem is, there is no way they're getting him. Mantha is as untouchable a prospect we've had in a long time. He's not going anywhere unless it gets us an already elite player in the NHL still in his prime, which isn't going to happen either. I don't think Myers is a terrible player by any means but I don't think he is what this team needs right now, especially with all the other kids knocking on the door...