Posted by King Crane
on 23 December 2013 - 11:53 PM
Can someone do a fancy stats report on how many goals against and standings points Quincey has cost us this season? And maybe throw in Smith, since they're partners in crime.
I added it all up. He's been on the ice for 21 goals against this season. I think it's shockingly low, but I wouldn't be surprised if he screwed up a line change and allowed more goals than the stats indicate (a.k.a. "The Cleary Special")
Posted by King Crane
on 24 December 2013 - 01:33 AM
That's fewer than I'd thought. BUT, I think we'd have to go beyond just the number, not necessarily to suit my case against Quincey but because I'm actually genuinely interested. Like, How many of those 21 goals against were scored in very close losses? If the answer is not many, maybe Quincey really isn't all that bad for the team. Or maybe we just need higher quality statsification.
Maybe I'll look into it tomorrow.
The other factor I forgot to consider is that power kill goals against do not count towards +/-, so it is probably much worse than this.
Another stat I would love to see, but would be hard to calculate, would be what is how many goals against occur when Quincey and Cleary are on the ice together? Quincey and Smith?
In terms questioning whether it's coincidence or if he is the problem, just watch him during the games. Next to Cleary he is the laziest player on the ice. I do not just mean he is slow. Quincey is lazy in every aspect of the game, failing to make plays, and relies heavily on his line-mates. He does everything really half-assed.
That's Babcock, not Holland. Babcock won't scratch Cleary (revealingly, he did so earlier in the season as a "wake-up call" and then continued playing the guy afterward when nothing changed) no matter the numerous players who could contribute more in the latter's spot, and Quincey will stay both in the lineup and paired with Smith despite neither of those circumstances being good for the team.
He's a good coach with an unfortunate, imbecilic unwillingness to make changes.
It just blows my mind. He's won a cup, a gold medal, and a world championship. But yet he continues to play a washed up role player, and pairs up 2 defenceman who are a combined -20 on the season. Just insane.
Worst period all year bar none, wake up and start to play. You're on goddamn home ice and the fans are booing you, the Lions did a great job of having the fans turn on them at home this year, don't follow suit!
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37 GP, 10-20-7, 27 pts
8th in Metropolitan Division
38 GP, 17-12-9, 43 pts
4th in Atlantic Division
Goals NYI John Tavares: 13
DET Pavel Datsyuk: 14
NYI John Tavares: 25
DET Daniel Alfredsson, Henrik Zetterberg: 19
NYI Three tied at: +3
DET Henrik Zetterberg: +12
NYI Colin McDonald: -15
DET Three tied at : -10
NYI Matt Carkner: 77
DET Kyle Quincey : 43
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Evgeni Nabokov Record: 6-6-5, 3.09 GAA, .897 SV%, 0 SO
Jonas Gustavsson Record: 10-3-2, 2.35 GAA, .915 SV%, 0 SO
SHARKS Lubomir Visnovsky (concussion) out, Radek Martinek (back) out
Johan Franzen (head) out, Henrik Zetterberg (back) out, Justin Abdelkader (concussion) questionable, Darren Helm (shoulder) out, Stephen Weiss (hernia) out, Jimmy Howard (MCL) out, Gustav Nyquist (groin) questionable
Posted by dat's sick
on 22 December 2013 - 10:53 AM
Reading recaps of the game and such, I find one of the general messages is that these teams are very evenly matched. Which may be true, but I'd like us to have Zetterberg, Nyquist, Helm, Franzen, Abdelkader (and Howard) (and Weiss) healthy in a game against them before that call is made.
Toronto overachieved in the beginning of the season. The give up tons of shots against, they have the most giveaways in the league, they have awful center depth... even when they were winning a lot there were many people who said it wasn't going to hold up. I wouldn't be completely shocked if they end up missing the playoffs as there are some teams starting to heat up while the Leafs look like they're out of luck.
Wings are easily a better team when at full strength.
I'm pretty sure I drop that many f bombs during a visit with my grandparents. I'm starting to think I should reevaluate my life.
I'm really torn with this show. One part of me wants access to every single second of every locker room moment from arriving at the rink to dressing for the game to intermission tongue lashings to post game showers to getting in their cars to go home.
The other part of me feels it's intrusive and getting in their heads and leave my team alone and let them focus on playing dammit and wow what an invasion of privacy.
Not to mention the stuff they're showing isn't all that illuminating. I did enjoy the Babs portions of the show, but feel like they're focusing too much on the coaches and not enough on the players.
We're halfway through now, hopefully these last 2 eps pick up...
This is where I see this team next year. Alfie for 1 more year until Jurco finishes developing. Influx of youth into the bottom 6 to give us the energy we have been lacking in the bottom 6 for the last couple years. There are some decisions to make in the bottom 6 as to who stays. I honestly don't love Andersson much in terms of what he brings to the lineup.
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Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($7.500m) / Daniel Alfredsson ($5.000m)
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Justin Abdelkader ($1.800m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Tomas Tatar ($1.500m)
Drew Miller ($1.350m) / Riley Sheahan ($0.900m) / Landon Ferraro ($0.800m)
Joakim Andersson ($0.733m) / Luke Glendening ($0.700m) / Mitchell Callahan ($0.700m) DEFENSEMEN
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($4.250m)
Brendan Smith ($1.263m) / Danny DeKeyser ($2.400m)
Jakub Kindl ($2.400m) / Xavier Ouellet ($0.670m)
Brian Lashoff ($0.725m) or Adam Almquist GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($5.292m)
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The more important decisions will be made at the draft table. I think we need to go all in on a 1C prospect. I would love to trade our 1st this year for a 1st next year then move up and get a 1C.
Posted by larionov_8
on 17 December 2013 - 09:35 PM
Wings have good role players and need some guys who can put the puck in the net to replace some of the old folks who have hung on too long. Pathetic that Tatar is currently 6th on the team in scoring. There's a few guys I could see the Wings realistically being able to get there hands-on that I think would be upgrades, and could play in the top 6 or as very good third liners:
- Kulemin (TOR) - right shooter, former 30 goal scorer, might be worth more than what TOR wants to pay for a guy who has been relegated to a checking role
- Setogouchi (WPG) - right shooter, former 30 goal scorer; though he's struggled in SJ, we've seen what this guy was capable of SJ
- Moulson (NYI) - this guy reminds me of Homer which makes me think he could compliment Pavel and Z. Probably get lots of attention though and an upgrade over his current $3mil salary.
- Downie (PHI) - I actually don't think DET would sign this guy and I'm not sure I want him here, but he'd bring a lot of potential grit with some decent skill, if he could clean up his game
- Ott, Steve (BUF) - I have the impression he has cleaned up his game; could be a good character guy; not sure about his value though
- Cammalleri (CGY) - very likely he'll be available and he can score. But since he's small and getting older, he may not be the best fit for DET
- Penner (ANA) - it's possible, but I'd bet he stays in Anaheim this time
I think the Wings could use another defensive D-man with size, so they can allow Quincey to walk. Some potential UFAs include:
- Mark Fayne, NJ
- Mark Stuart, WPG
At the very far end, I'd take a flyer on Mike Komisarek as a 7th D. We always want that cheap, big, right handed shooting defensemen!