Tampa got a lucky bounce in game 7 versus Detroit. That was the difference. The Wings are not far away from being a legit cup contender. We can beat any team in the East. Tampa will get better. So will the Wings, Habs, Isles, Caps, Blue Jackets. There's not much separating teams.
Do you trust the caps coach? Green was demoted to the third pairing.
Caps knew they weren't resigning Green when they added Niskanen and Orpik. There was no room for him. Management isn't going to treat him like he's a core player on their team when he's on his way out. Going to other teams HF boards is not a good way to scout out your new player
Kick tires. Explored market. Prices too high. Too much term. We like our kids. Getting Franzen back is like signing a free agent. Pav returning in November is like making a trade. Any free agent signing has to make sense. It has to be the right fit. We're going with our younger players. We need them to take another step.
I wish he was a center.
For sure with that damn shootout thing.
He'd probably come here and all of the sudden be snake bitten in the shootout, or as soon as we sign him the league will vote to get rid of it all together.
On the wings everyone is a center, unless you ARE a center, then you play wing
People saying Zidlicky is small and can't play defense, he can play defense. But that's not really why he is here. He is here because he can make the first pass out of the defensive zone, knows how to quarterback a powerplay, and has a right-handed shot. Not all of our defensemen need to be shut down defensmen. Sure it's great to get a guy that can do both but those guys aren't available without giving up the farm.
Being the best defenseman on the Oilers doesn't mean much. I've actually argued that he might be the third best defenseman on this team, but it'd be incredibly close. Bottom line: he's a second-pairing defenseman on a good team and probably a third-pairing defenseman on this team, given how picky Babcock is about pairings (Kronwall-Ericsson is basically set in stone, which is a problem, and DeKeyser-Quincey has been our steadiest pairing). He doesn't put up points. I'm not convinced he's going to truly improve our breakouts, transition game, all-around puck movement. He doesn't do anything especially well. We already have defensemen who fit that bill. We need a real impact player. We need a shot in the arm. Replacing Marchenko with Petry (c'mon, tell me you don't see Petry being paired with Smith) would, I think, be a lateral move. It's thinking too small, too safe.
I get the pairings thing, but if we need a real impact player, won't he just play with Smith too? Mike needs to get over Kronwall-Ericsson, that big dope has cost us a lot of points this year, not just tonight. He's best served as a 4/5. I honestly don't think Holland will make a move, but Petry would be a good fit. I realize being the best of a bad bunch isn't the most glowing endorsement, but I see the guy a lot being out west and he's under appreciated to say the least. MacTavish is a guy who thinks Justin Schultz could win a Norris afterall We're probably arguing over nothing though, because the pairs going into the playoffs are probably going to be the same as tonight give or take an Xavier Oullet sighting.
Posted by Jesusberg
on 11 February 2015 - 02:05 PM
If Detroit does manage to land Franson, I would definitely be hesitant to break up DeQuincey. First instinct would be to put DeKeyser with Franson, but then we'd have a Smith-Quincey pairing, and we all know how that worked out... Big Rig's been better lately (at least offensively), but I think that's where I'd slot in Franson. I agree that Smith-Franson would likely be a disaster. These would be two different looks I'd explore if the team adds Franson.
Obviously, these aren't the only options, but I'm trying to avoid pairings that haven't worked out in the past. I'm not as sold on that first group. As solid as Quincey has looked this year, I'm not sure I trust him to hold down that pair defensively.
Posted by kipwinger
on 10 February 2015 - 12:55 PM
My least favorite part of trade deadline/free agency you (nobody) asked?
Idiots speculating on asking prices and inflating the s*** out of them.
Case in point: George Malik (dummy) makes a fairly reasonable assertion that "the Red Wings would have to pay a inter-division premium" to get Cody Franson from Toronto. Ok, sure. How much George? Well, the regular asking price seems to be hovering around a second round pick and (maybe) a prospect. So George, of course, speculates that it will take a 1st, and a roster player OR a "prospect or two".
Elsewhere, Khan speculates that Toronto could refuse to trade with Detroit, so that the latter will lose early in the playoffs, and in doing so make Toronto (a non playoff team) a better option for Babcock in the offseason. Because Brendan Shanahan would prioritize making someone else's team worse over making his team better. And because losing early in the playoffs is somehow worse than not making them. And because Babcock is clinically insane.
And Helen St. James thinks it'll take Tatar to land Myers.
And Ansar Khan thought Matt Niskanen would get close to 7 million per.
And every single speculated trade involving the Red Wings starts with Mantha, and a 1st.
I agree Buffalo deserves a break. They lost some key free agents, though most would agree Briere's best days were in Buffalo. Edmonton's mismanagement of top picks is arguably an atrocity.
Edmonton's mismanagement of everything is an atrocity. Chicago and Pittsburgh seemed to have done well with their top pick stockpiles, and did it in fairly short order. Edmonton just can't do anything right. At all. Anywhere.
Honestly, I think some of our prospects are being grossly overvalued. Right now this defense corps consists of two legitimate Top 4 guys, with perhaps Quincey on the edge of that.
Here's the thing... Cup contention or not, right now this team's got nothing in the way of defenders to help with a transition from the vets to the prospects. When you look up front, you've got guys like Nyquist and Tatar who are going to hold things down before Mantha and Larkin (hopefully) transition into solid players. Kindl and Smith should be the guys helping with that transition on the back end, but they're just not good enough. DeKeyser by himself isn't enough.
I definitely think Detroit has something in guys like Ouellet and Sproul, but who's holding down the fort as they progress? You can only pile so much on Kronwall. If you can pull the trigger on Smith, Pulkkinen and a 1st for a legitimate offensive threat between the ages of 25-30, you do it. I wouldn't go as far as to say that those guys are replaceable, but they are most definitely expendable. As much as I enjoy Pulkkinen's possible upside, he's more of the same on this team. We've got the smaller skilled goal scorers in Tatar and Nyquist, with Mantha on his way soon. Without coming down on the guy too much, I do think that Ouellet is more than capable of doing the job Smith is doing now, and has better upside.
It isn't about adding a piece to put this team over the edge. It's about adding a piece to make real improvements to this team so that they can remain successful. I'd rather not find out the answer to, "Can Ouellet, Sproul, Marchenko, etc. progress fast enough to offset Kronwall slowing down?" Waiving Lashoff was a proactive move by Holland, and I hope he's willing to make another one with some of the assets in the system now.
If I offered you $1,000,000 today OR $0.01 today, doubling each day for 30 days... Which would you take?... 95% of LGWers take the million up front, I'm just glad Holland would take the penny...
Holland wouldn't make any combination of a deal there. Sure, making that deal makes us better today, but we take a huge hit in the future...
The smart move is somewhere in the middle though right? I mean, I get that it's good to be patient and build a contender. But at some point, you've got to decide now's the time, and try to win. Always looking toward the future obscures the fact that (pardon this goofy description) the present was the future at one point. What's all this saving, and developing, and patience working toward if not to make a Cup run? And as far as I know, no team (in the modern era) has done that with 100% homegrown pieces. Chicago, Los Angeles, Boston...all had significant help from outside. If you're not willing to move pieces for guys like Yandle, or O'Reilly, or Spezza, or Kesler, etc. when they become available, exactly what are you willing to move them for? And if the answer is "nothing", you're in trouble. Because, as I said, nobody has ever managed to win that way yet.
Tonight is a bad night. No candy-coating it. Montreal won, Boston won. Got smacked in Tampa in a battle for first.
That being said it always seems a team with a winning streak gets blown out when the streak gets broken. What the Wings need to avoid at all costs is to lose say 4 of the next 5 now that the streak is over because that seems to happen a lot too.