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#2555927 Are the Wings a Contender?

Posted by kipwinger on 12 December 2014 - 09:15 AM

Brian Rafalski wasn't "great in his own zone either", but I don't recall anybody complaining about his 40-50 pts., transition game, and powerplay ability.  Not every defenseman is a two way superstar.  Doesn't mean they can't be exceptionally valuable to the right club. 

 

Also, Yandle's "defensive shortcomings" are overblown.  He's not bad defensively, none of Phoenix's defensemen are.  Tippet is a defense first coach, and he plays a defensive system.  Yandle's as good or better defensively than probably three or four of our defensemen.  It's just a label he got suck with as a 20 year old that dummies keep repeating ad nauseam to justify not wanting him.  Is he a shutdown guy or two way superstar?  No.  Know who else isn't?  Kronwall.  Smith.  Karlsson.  Shattenkirk.  Wisniewski.  Subban.  Faulk.  Ehrhoff. Burns.  Edler.  etc. etc. etc.  Yet all of them are good players and none of them are liabilities.  Neither is Yandle. 

 

I'm sick of this "he's not great in his own zone" argument.  Not every player on a team needs to excel two ways.  Also, the argument is usually only used to malign players we're already convinced we don't like, considering more players than not do not excel at the two way game. 




#2552726 Are the Wings a Contender?

Posted by DickieDunn on 30 November 2014 - 11:36 AM

I don't think they're a top contender but they're in that second tier of teams that have a chance.


#2552546 Are the Wings a Contender?

Posted by gcom007 on 28 November 2014 - 09:35 PM

I have not been shy about saying that I think this team is playing well enough to make a real stink in the playoffs. I haven't been so excited watching a Wings team in some time, and I really think even with no moves made, they've got a real good chance to make some noise. For them to make a real run though, Howard will have to be at his best in the playoffs. He's fully capable and I think he's had a great bounce back year, so I'm really, ridiculously, and exceedingly excited to see how things go down the stretch. It's going to be fun fun either way if the start is any indication.


#2551965 11/26 GDT : Philadelphia Flyers 2 at Red Wings 5

Posted by Hockeytown0001 on 26 November 2014 - 07:46 AM

 

 

FLYERS (8-9-3) AT RED WINGS (11-5-5)

TV: NBCSN, TCN-PH, FS-D+

Season series: The Philadelphia Flyers extended their string of regular-season home victories against the Detroit Red Wings to nine in the first matchup, with Flyers forward Michael Raffl scoring two goals and an assist. It was the first home victory of the season for Philadelphia, which won two of three games against Detroit last season.

Red Wings team scope: Veteran forward Stephen Weiss scored two goals Monday in the Red Wings' 4-3 home win against the Ottawa Senators in his return from a groin injury that held him out for all but one of the Red Wings' first 20 games. Center Pavel Datsyuk (groin), who has missed four straight games and six of the past eight, also could return against the Flyers. After centering the third line in practice Tuesday, Datsyuk's availability will be determined after Detroit's morning skate Wednesday. If he plays, look for second-year forward Tomas Jurco to get bumped from the lineup. Defenseman Brendan Smith (hand infection) returned to practice, but likely will need more time to recover despite being eligible to come off injured reserve Wednesday. Goaltender Jimmy Howard will start against Philadelphia.

Flyers team scope: Goalie Steve Mason stopped 46 shots through regulation and overtime before allowing goals in the shootout to forwards Frans Nielsen and John Tavares in a 1-0 defeat to the New York Islanders on Monday. It was the continuation of a frustrating trend for the Flyers, who have dropped all three of their shootouts this season and eight straight dating back to last season. Philadelphia was 3-8 in shootouts in 2013-14 and have an NHL-worst 27-54 record in shootouts since they were instituted in 2005-06. The Flyers continue an eight-game stretch that will send them on the road for all but one game. Philadelphia is averaging 2.1 goals per game on the road compared to 3.5 per game at home. Raffl (foot) has missed eight games, but practiced Tuesday in Detroit and could return this weekend.

 



#2551918 Lines Thread

Posted by e_prime on 25 November 2014 - 04:34 PM

 

That's why Ryan O'Reilly's #1 on my wish list. He'd give us our elite two-way 1C of the future, and in the meantime you could use him as a top-line winger. I'd be willing to pay quite a bit for this guy.

 

O'Reilly? O'Rly?
 
How much are you willing to pay?  Lets hear your trade offer? 



#2551351 Inconsistency

Posted by Echolalia on 23 November 2014 - 04:53 PM

If I had to guess, I would say that the age distribution of our team may be playing a role.  One one end, we have our current core of Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, Kronwall, all on the wrong side of 33.  They're still great players, but the Wings cant lean on them as heavily as they used to, and I don't think it fair to expect them to string together win streaks entirely on their shoulders.  And on the other end of the spectrum, we have our up-and-coming core (give or take) of Nyqvist, Tatar, Sheahan, Dekeyser, etc etc all south of 25 years old.  They're great players, but not quite in their prime, and not quite experiened enough to be the leaders of this team.  If you look at the players that we have between 25 and 30 years old (which I'm arbitrarily defining as prime years just based on the notion that folks in this age range tend to have a few solid years of NHL experience under their belt, and are still young enough in most cases not to have lost a step or be plagued by injuries) we have Abdelkader (27), Andersson (25), Glendening (25), Helm (27), Miller (30), Nyquist (25), and Smith (25).  Four of those seven players are on our fourth line.  I think its also worth pointing out that even though I arbitrarily picked 25-30 as prime years, based in part due to NHL experience, Glendening, Andersson, Nyquist and Smith have all played less than 140 NHL games, which means that sweet spot between solid skill and durability, and solid experience is going to be delayed a few more years in these guys.

But who knows whats really going on.

 

I just took a look at the standings at NHL.com, and right now there are only three teams currently riding 3-game winning streaks.  Everyone else has streaks smaller than that (or losing streaks).  Theres also 23 of 30 teams within 10 points of eachother league-wide. I don't know what each team has looked like streak-wise over the course of the entire season so far, but teams are more closely matched than in the past, which can also be playing a role.




#2551311 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by LeftWinger on 23 November 2014 - 09:16 AM

If we could land Perron and or Petry, that just may give us a little shakeup that may spark something.  Question, Kindl is already a healthy scratch most nights, IF the Wings were able to land BOTH Perron and Petry, which defensemen go? Do you think Q would be part of that trade or would we lose a prospect? I really don't like the idea of losing ANY of of D prosepects, XO, Sproul, Jensen, Marchenko, Backman, Nedomlel, Wheaton, McNulty and Dehass are all very important to this team IMO.  We still own the rights to Almqvist, although I do not think he will come back the NHL even if his rights were traded.  I know you have to give to get, and trading Q and K is not going to get you Perron or Petry, let alone both.

 

Looking back at that list of prospects, are we going to have room for these guys when they are out of exemptions in a few years? Same situation as Nestrasil, you groom your prospects to become NHL ready, then lose them because you have no room on the NHL team.  Do we risk trading one or two of those guys along with an established NHL'r? 

 

I know Edmonton wants a 2nd line center, Weiss is NOT going to waive his NTC to go there.  I think Edmonton asks for Sheahan before Helm or Andersson.  No thanks, so I think unless they'll take a 1st round pick instead, we are out. Sheahan is a no trade IMO.




#2550710 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by gcom007 on 21 November 2014 - 01:08 AM

To me, this is a transition/development year. We're not really looking to balls-out contend quite yet. We're setting up for next season, two seasons from now, three seasons from now. Case in point: we've got all of six skaters who are solidly in their prime years, and they are Helm, Abdelkader, Miller, Quincey, Kindl, Ericsson. (Woof.) And, just as tellingly, we're carrying ten skaters who are 25 or younger (i.e. not yet solidly in their prime years): Nyquist, Tatar, Sheahan, Jurco, Andersson, Glendening, Smith, DeKeyser, Lashoff, Ouellet. And we've got Mantha, Pulkkinen, Sproul, et al. on the horizon.

 

When you look at it that way, and you consider how well this team's done through these first 18 games (23 points, 50 GF, 42 GA, strong possession numbers, top-end PK, six players with ten or more points), I think you have to be pretty happy with what's going on and pretty excited about what's to come.

 

Hell, I'm not convinced we don't stand a chance to make a stink in the playoffs this year, even if we don't make any deals. We're certainly more poised than we've been the last couple of years with this roster playing as well as they have been. If Babcock can get them to elevate their game for the playoffs and Howard really locks it down, they just might surprise a whole lot of people.




#2548564 Ranking Wings Players by Draft Order

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 11 November 2014 - 02:13 PM

So just for the hell of it, I ranked current Wings players based on where they were drafted in their respective draft years.  Obviously, many of these players were drafted by other teams. 

 

 

Weiss - 4th overall

Cleary - 13th overall

Kindl - 19th overall

Sheahan - 21st overall

Smith - 27th overall

Kronwall - 29th overall

Jurco - 35th overall

Abdelkader -  42nd overall 

Tatar - 60th overall

Howard - 64th overall

Nestrasil - 75th overall

Andersson - 88th overall

Franzen - 97th overall 

Nyquist - 121st overall

Quincey - 132nd overall

Helm - 132nd overall

Datsyuk - 171st overall

Miller - 186th overall

Zetterberg - 210th overall

Ericsson - 291st overall

 

Glendening -undrafted

Gustavsson - undrafted

DeKeyser- undrafted

Lashoff - undrafted




#2540632 Myers close to become a wing?

Posted by krsmith17 on 14 October 2014 - 12:48 PM

Where have you heard that Mantha, plus our first, plus... would be involved in a trade for Myers? It seems like every trade that we're "linked to", Mantha is the guy that other teams want. The problem is, there is no way they're getting him. Mantha is as untouchable a prospect we've had in a long time. He's not going anywhere unless it gets us an already elite player in the NHL still in his prime, which isn't going to happen either. I don't think Myers is a terrible player by any means but I don't think he is what this team needs right now, especially with all the other kids knocking on the door...




#2540701 Myers close to become a wing?

Posted by number9 on 14 October 2014 - 07:19 PM

As a Buffalo resident I would say the Wings shouldn't be interested in any Sabres not named Zemgus Girgensons.




#2542498 10/18 GDT - Maple Leafs 0 at Red Wings 1 (OT)

Posted by dat's sick on 19 October 2014 - 01:33 PM

another quick word on Glenny. His emergence along with Sheahan's would allow us to offer Helm in a deal for something we need. While Helm still has value. This team doesn't need all three, especially when Dats comes back to take up another center spot. Nothing personal against Helm...

Maybe if Helm was the kind of piece that would land us a top pairing d-man I would consider it. But I think he is more valuable to us than he is in a trade. We always seem to be a much better team when he's playing than when he isn't. 

 

I guess if Buffalo for example would give us Myers ONLY if they get Helm I wouldn't say no, but we know everyone wants guys like Nyquist/Mantha/Jurco. 




#2542472 10/18 GDT - Maple Leafs 0 at Red Wings 1 (OT)

Posted by WingsallTheway on 19 October 2014 - 09:52 AM

If I'm Ken Holland right now, I send Weiss, Cleary, Lashoff, Kindl, and a first round pick to Buffalo for Tyler Myers. Dump the trash Babcock doesn't want and stop letting them bring down the team. There's no point to pine over its and what could have been. Just ship em off.

 

Weiss has some value, so take him out and add andy miele and we can get sam reinhart and theyre 1st for the next 3 seasons




#2536930 9/22/14 7:00 PM. Preseason GDT - DET 2 @ PIT 1

Posted by Nev on 23 September 2014 - 01:05 AM

Woke up this morning, first thing I thought was "wonder how the Wings did?". Second thing I thought was "I wonder who got injured?" :(


#2536916 9/22/14 7:00 PM. Preseason GDT - DET 2 @ PIT 1

Posted by xtrememachine1 on 22 September 2014 - 10:01 PM

Just got back from the game.  My 6 year old was a very good road fan for us chanting "Lets Go Wings" for every single "Lets Go Pens".  A kid across the aisle from us was waving a terrible towel and he waved it at my son when the Pens scored.  When Datsyuk scored, he goes "Not waving that towel now huh?!"  I was in shock, he's usually pretty mild mannered, but he was really getting into it.  Everyone around us just laughed, except the kid with the towel.  Here are a few good pics I got:

 

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