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#2532503 Babcock Interview on 105.1 this morning

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 18 July 2014 - 04:55 PM


That's legit, but nobody is remembering how Quenneville nearly did the exact same thing to us with those Blues teams in the late 90's that were significantly less talented than our Cup teams.  And he was coaching against Bowman. 


One of the reasons that I think Quenneville is a great coach?  Of the 15 times he's made the playoffs he's won the Cup twice and lost to the eventual Cup winner 7 times including three times to the Bowman Wings (widely considered some of the greatest teams EVER to play hockey) of the late 90's and early 2000's.  The best teams Babs has lost to?  Quenneville's Hawks a year ago. 


Before he hooked up with the Hawks though, he made it out of the 2nd round of the playoffs once in 10 years as a head coach.  Losing to the eventual cup winner in a first round series doesn't really count for much to me. 


Babcock took out the 2003 Red Wings in 4 games with a Ducks roster that wasn't exactly stacked with stars and got them to game 7 of the Finals.

in 2007 he took the Wings to the Conference finals, losing to a great team and eventual Cup winner in the Ducks . 

In 2008 he won the Cup

In 2009 he went through the Ducks, still a very good team, and beat Quenneville's Blackhawks (the next year's Cup winner), then took the Pens (who people here don't like to admit but were a great team) to 7 games.

In 2013 he took the Blackhawks to game 7 OT with a lineup that had no business hanging with the Hawks.


I think Quenneville is a good coach, but I still put Babcock a notch above him.  

#2532633 'District Detroit': Red Wings' New Arena Details Released

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 20 July 2014 - 12:14 PM

I think it looks amazing. Hopefully it all comes to fruition. I am so thankful that there are people out there who love the city of Detroit as much as I do and who refuse to give up on trying to make it a better place. I will miss the Joe in all its s***ty glory, and hope they don't tear it down. I'd like to see it repurposed, maybe as the aquarium they had talked about at one time, but I know that's probably a pipe dream.

#2532529 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by Spongewingredpants on 19 July 2014 - 01:10 AM

i would like a 1 million $ bonus for showing up to work for 10 days too

#2532362 Callahan and Nestrasil re-signed

Posted by Nev on 17 July 2014 - 03:33 PM

Well, Kenny sure has had a great off season for the Griffins.

#2532351 Callahan and Nestrasil re-signed

Posted by uk_redwing on 17 July 2014 - 02:25 PM



We'll lose him to waivers.

#2531832 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by 55fan on 12 July 2014 - 12:31 PM


Holland made it quite clear to both of them, and to the fans through the media, that he only had the cap space to sign one of them, and whichever signed first would get the contract.  Franzen signed first, Hossa landed on his feet.

Franzen jumped first, for which I don't blame him.  He was coming off a season that few had predicted.  Hossa was coming off yet another good season.  His playoffs were bad due to injury.  I don't remember when it was that Franzen re-signed, but I thought it was a great deal at the time.


Hossa knew he could make more elsewhere, even though he'd probably have stayed if the money was right.  Franzen wasn't sure if anyone else would offer that plus he wanted to stay in Detroit. (The part about Hossa is a guess.  The part about Franzen was what I remember him saying, but after this amount of time, I have no link for it.)


As to the direction of this team, I'd say it's getting younger, but still with some veteran presence.  If this means a lag whilst the young guns get a couple years of experience under their belts, than it is what it is.  I just hope they don't wait until Kronner, Dats, and Z are old to get another Cup.

#2531926 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by Ekmanc on 13 July 2014 - 09:59 AM

I don't know what there is to be confused about, we have absolutely no direction...

#2532087 Renney out, Granato in

Posted by puckloo39 on 14 July 2014 - 08:54 PM

I read in Malik's report that Pens fans are devastated that Granato is leaving for Detroit.  That makes me kind of happy.




#2531361 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by ShanahanMan on 10 July 2014 - 08:40 PM


#2530893 Kane & Toews Sign Identical 8-year, $10.5M AAV Extensions

Posted by Euro_Twins on 09 July 2014 - 05:59 PM

We don't have superstars, though. I mean, aside from Datsyuk.

Zetterbergs beard alone is a superstar which in turn makes him a superstar

#2529367 Dont Jump Yet...

Posted by WingedWheel91 on 02 July 2014 - 09:58 AM



I am as pissed off as most Red Wings fans today out of our lack of ability to sign (any) big name free agents, and even more pissed off that our only substantial move was re-signing Kyle Quincey to a contract that pays him as much money as Jonathan Ericsson, more money than Johan Franzen and only 0.5 Million less than Nick Kronwall makes (still a top 10 defenceman in the league).


But as much as we can complain about Quincey, and predict that next season will be a complete disaster - I am seeing more and more tank for McDavid posts - I ask myself when did Matt Niskanen become worthy of a 7 year contract? Isn't Dan Boyle 37 years old coming off a 36 point season on a great team where he was a -8? Why did the world end when we didn't sign these two? Lets just try to use some perspective before we completely turn our backs...


Last season, in a 16 team conference - we finished 1 point behind 6th place PHI and 3 points behind 5th place NYR (who eventually played in the Stanley Cup Final) while having an historically bad (by our standards) record of 5-9 in the shootout. More importantly, we also had our top 3 forwards (when measured by salary) D, Z and Weiss miss 37, 37, and 56 games respectively. I hate to make excuses, but of the 6 teams in our conference that had more points than us last year, not a single one of them could relate to our injury situation (in terms of man games lost to star players). For ex. the top 6 scorers on the Boston Bruins all played in atleast 78 games, and 5 of them played in 80 or more - please don't tell me this would not have helped us or improved our position in the standings.


If we look ahead to next season - what do we have to be optimistic about? Well, we haven't really gotten worse since last year... No we haven't signed any big names either, but we still haven't lost anyone yet. (Alfie remains to be seen). Can you say the same about...


#1 BOSTON - Subtractions: Thornton, Iginla, Meszaros, Moore. Additions: None.

#2 PITTSBURGH - Subtractions: Jokinen, Vitale, Orpik, Glass, Engelland, Niskanen, Conner. Additions: Comeau, Ehrhoff.

#3 TAMPA BAY - Subtractions: Lindback, Aulie, Desjardins. Additions: Nabokov, Boyle, Blunden, Stralman.

#4 MONTREAL - Subtractions: Briere, Gorges, Vanek, Gionta, Blunden, Dubnyk. Additions: Parenteau, Gilbert, Malholtra.

#5 NEW YORK - Subtractions: Pouliot, Stralman, Richards, Boyle, Bickel. Additions: Hunwick, Glass, Kostka, D. Boyle.

#6 PHILADELPHIA - Subtractions: None. Additions: Jones.


The point here is that outside of Tampa Bay, the 5/6 teams that had more points than we did last season have not improved either - and to take it a step further, I certainly feel that Boston, Pittsburgh, Montreal, and the NYR have all regressed. In terms of teams within striking distance who have also improved, NJ and WSH certainly stand alone.


When you consider the possibility of a healthy team, the emergence and continued development of our younger players, the cap room and prospect pool we have to acquire pieces (which Holland MUST use at this point) and the lack of improved teams conference wide + number of teams in our division who have taken a step back (BOS, MTL, TOR, OTT,) I don't think the sky is falling as fast as it seems.

#2529872 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by martinezsvsu on 03 July 2014 - 06:54 PM

Man. Some of you are hardcore.


After the *****-slapping Holland handed us yesterday, you’re still here discussing possible trades.


I can think I can safely say this with 100% certainly and sincerity:  



if we lose in the first round again we will riot the streets Vancouver style. your move holland. 

#2529418 Well...at least we're not Philadelphia. Giroux Arrested.

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 02 July 2014 - 11:24 AM


Edit: I was laughing so hard I had some premature postage. Giroux was just trying to congratulate the officer BoS style--with butt pats!

#2529260 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by rick zombo on 02 July 2014 - 12:20 AM


You know what I meant, zombo. I'm not actually saying Ken Holland doesn't know how to field a good team in the cap era. I'm saying you do have to wonder just how good this guy really is at his job and just how much credit he really deserves. The pre-Cap era was, I dare say, mostly easy for him. That carried over to the first few years of the cap era - specifically, 2006-2009. We still had some core pieces from the 90s teams, and we got pretty lucky with Datsyuk and Zetterberg. We've been in decline since 2009, and the argument can definitely be made that it's because Holland is being forced to prove his mettle in a landscape that doesn't grant his organization any intrinsic advantages. It's new ground for him, and he doesn't seem especially comfortable. The huge competitive advantages are disappearing. Stealing Russians. Scouting the most obscure corners of Scandinavia. Limitless spending. Having depth left over from those days of limitless spending. Having Nick Lidstrom. Knowing puck possession is everything. He can't lean on this stuff anymore. We're not ahead of the curve anymore.


I want to believe that the past five years have been a rebuild. That he realized the best thing this team could do is be good but not great and build up a stable of promising young talent through the draft. But even there, Holland has done so much that suggests he doesn't really have a plan or vision. He'll offer Suter and Parise the moon, and then, on losing the bidding war, turn around and say that there's no hockey store and you have to build through the draft and blah blah blah. He'll say it's the kids' time, and then he'll re-sign Quincey and Cleary and Gustavsson and Alfredsson and almost surely start Jurco and Mantha in GR.


Nill and Yzerman have done wonders for their respective organizations. They've been proactive, they've thought outside the box, they've made some hard decisions, they've taken risks. They've built something out of mostly nothing. Those teams are damn good, and they're only going to get better. They could've easily made excuses and said this is going to be a long process and half the teams in the league don't make the playoffs and blah blah blah. They know what needs to be done and they're doing it. Meanwhile, the Wings are stuck in the mud. Our two best players are old and injury prone, and that's not counting Franzen or Alfredsson or Kronwall. Howard hasn't won anything but he's getting paid like a top goalie. Kindl's cap hit is $2.4M for the next three years. No one wants to sign with the Red Wings, and Holland's response is, "I don't know why this is happening. But I'm not remotely worried. (Because I'm Ken Holland and everyone knows I'm a genius. Ask Helene, she'll tell you.)"


This is also a great post. 


But, similar to what I’ve said in another response, Yzerman and Nill have had more to work with in terms of young stars and high picks. No? More assets. More flexibility to be bold? 


Holland’s biggest “asset moving window” was in 08-09.  He could have moved Filpilla, Hudler, and Franzen for a Seguin-type guy then maybe? 


Holland’s safer than houses and blander than oatmeal. But he’s still a top 5-10 GM in this league right now. 


He never deserved all of the credit he received, but he surely doesn’t deserve to be butt-punched the way he has been today. 

#2529217 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 01 July 2014 - 10:00 PM


No. He's going to score 65 goals in training camp. And then he's going to break Selanne's rookie scoring record.


I need something to believe in. I need hope.