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#2488690 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by Richdg on 02 March 2014 - 09:43 PM

We also have to look past this year. No rentals is and should be our motto. But good players that are here for 2+ more years, grab them if we can. We have more prospects than roster spots and a ton of cap room the next few years. True, not all prospects will work out. That being the case, how can you count on them? Or maybe better asked, which ones do you count on?




#2488687 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by Richdg on 02 March 2014 - 09:20 PM

As a few others have mentioned, it takes time for prospects to turn into regulars or stars. Very rarely do guys come into the NHL and put up 80 points. The far more common route is a guy come up, plays 60ish games and has 30ish point. Next year more games and more points. 3rd year the same. That was the route with most of our stars now. It took them 3-5 years to hit their potential. So, are we a really good team in 3 or 4 years by standing pat? Maybe. First not all of our prospects will work out. Second Datsyuk is then gone. Third, will Z's back hold up? Fourth, will Franzen still be around or will concussions have ended his career by then?

Four years from now, Kronwall may also be done. same with Howard. E will be in his mid 30's. Most if not all of those guys will playing fewer games and putting up fewer points as they travel through their mid and late 30's. In other words, we will be treading water.




#2488685 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by FlashyG on 02 March 2014 - 09:12 PM

 

No offense, Flashy, because you're a good dude who makes kickass GDTs - but I'm an immature, impatient, impetuous Wings fan, and I grow weary of "Let's wait until next season, because..." There will always be high-quality players available at the deadline, true - but there will also always be reasons, excuses, rationalizations as to why we shouldn't do anything.

 

We have to improve significantly if we want to win one more Cup with Datsyuk and Zetterberg. I'm high on our young guns and Griffins, but Ouellet, Sproul, Pulkkinen, Jarnkrok - they're all at least one more season away. And even then, they'll only be rookies. (Brendan Smith is a reminder that being a very good defenseman in the NHL is very, very, very hard.) Meanwhile, our core will be that much older and probably less effective.

 

Free agency sucks. We know the script: most of the top guys will re-sign, and the ones who don't will be looking to Get Paid and therefore won't be coming to Motown, because we're generally averse to bidding wars these days. We can't realistically expect a Daniel Alfredsson to fall into our collective lap every summer. (Collective Lap. Add that to the band name list.) Even Weiss was sort of a stroke of luck, as he was very keen on becoming a Wing. And, given Weiss's monumental struggles, I fear Kenny's never going to take a chance on a high-end free agent again.

 

The only other option? Trade.

 

I feel like maybe the stars are aligning for us here on the trade front. The cap room we'd need? Suddenly we have it. The attractive young roster players we'd need? Nyquist, Tatar, Sheahan, Jurco. Potentially high (and therefore quite valuable) first-round pick? Yep. And, of course, a wealth of promising prospects. (In Mantha - who may be having his first and last this-kid-is-just-plain-better-than-everyone-else season - we have, for the first time in a long time, a prospect that any and every GM in the league would probably love to have.)

 

I'm not saying we should sell the farm, our future.

I'm not saying we should be in on high-priced rentals like Vanek.

I'm not saying we're a contender who just needs one big trade to put us over the top.

I'm not saying we absolutely must make a big trade.

 

I'm saying...Why not now? Why not doing something this season?

 

I feel we're in a position to make a significant move. I don't know that such a move is there to be made, but I've always believed that the possibilities are never limited to the rumors. Nearly any player can be had for the right price; a smart, creative, wiley GM might make things happen. Easy for me to say, of course. But it's also easy to do nothing.

 

/rant

I'm not saying we shouldn't go all in for a chance to win a cup with Datsyuk and Zetterberg around, I'm saying that we'd be better off doing so next season than we are right now.

 

Basically any move we make right now is to improve our chances next season anyways because regardless of what we do, this season is in all likelihood a lost cause as far as cup chances are concerned.

 

The deadline is the worst time to make a trade anyways, prices are through the roof, only a handful of guys are available and a bunch of teams are outbidding one another to get them. If we're going to improve for next season do it at the draft, at least then we know what pick we're giving away, and hopefully we've gotten a better feel on our prospects so we're less likely to give away the good ones.




#2488617 Naming the New Arena

Posted by derblaueClaus on 02 March 2014 - 05:26 PM

I'm shocked nobody came up with Little Ceasars Palace yet. :P




#2488684 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by marcaractac on 02 March 2014 - 09:07 PM

@Daubura, totes agree. Also, getting a top 4 dman gives guys like Smith more time to grow as a player. 




#2488686 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by marcaractac on 02 March 2014 - 09:15 PM

Montreal, Toronto, Tampa, Rangers, Philly, Washington, Columbus, Ottawa. These are all very beatable teams, even with our current roster. Boston and Pittsburgh are the 2 teams to worry about. If we can avoid those 2 teams in the first round, The Wings can make some noise. 

 

A couple moves and the return of Hank, and we can beat the Bruins or Pens as well. We can't worry about the favorites out west here. Only one of them can make the finals, and in the finals anything can happen. The east is weak, and anything can happen. I think this team is closer to being a contender than a lot of people think.




#2488666 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by marcaractac on 02 March 2014 - 08:08 PM

In the end, we have little experience on defense. Half our defense have very little playoff experience. One of the veteran half is Quincey. Ehrhoff would solidify our top 4 and give us nice depth at the position. We'd have to give up a 1st in a weak draft. Not a big deal. We'd have to give up one good prospect. Not a big deal. Then a 3rd piece that can range anywhere from a lower level prospect to a salary dump like Quincey. We'd also in return get a dman with big game experience in the NHL and international level. A guy who could put up 40-50 points a year on a good team. It is literally a risk free move that makes our team better.




#2488469 Edler-Kesler Vs. Ehrhoff-Stewart

Posted by marcaractac on 01 March 2014 - 11:52 PM

I don't get why people think Ehrhoff's contract is so bad. IT's just 4 million a year, and the cap is gonna keep going up. in 2-3 years a dman of his ability for that price is gonna be a steal. Who cares if it is a long contract. If he retires before it is out, the Sabres are on the hook for the cap penalty. Ehrhoff is literally the safest bet out there for this team on defense.




#2488103 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by brooklynsour on 28 February 2014 - 11:49 PM

That's what I said
Anything from sabres with Stewart we take!!


#2488102 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by marcaractac on 28 February 2014 - 11:48 PM

 

I don't understand your point?  Myers can't be bad because the team's bad?  He's a defensive defenseman who gets lost in coverage.  Who's fault is that if not his?

 

Exactly this. And his cap hit is WAY too high for someone that may never pan out to be a great player. Huge risk acquiring him. Erhoff would be a much safer pick up for this team. Maybe not the best option out there, but if a deal could be made for him and Stewart, I say go for it




#2488092 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by wings87 on 28 February 2014 - 11:39 PM

:hysterical:
 
On the TSN website, there is a guy commenting on the tradecentre page discussing the latest on Kesler.  I don't have the capability to copy and paste on my work computer but he actually said that Kelser to Detroit makes sencse, send a package of Weiss, Sheahan, Jurco, Tatar and a couple of picks to Vancouver..

That's blasphemy and utter disgust ^ he's surely a nucks fan....
@wings87 I wish Holland seen this thread so many ideas lol I hope your idea works as long as we don't overpay(even acquire him)
We need Andy MacDonald he's a good defensive dman can pk well


I'm sending out positive thoughts out into the universe and hoping they stick.


#2488077 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by wings87 on 28 February 2014 - 10:55 PM

I'm gonna try some reverse physiology, I'm going to keep saying that Holland won't make a move in the hope that he does.


#2488046 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by joesuffP on 28 February 2014 - 09:50 PM

I keep hearing/reading that Ehrhoff might go for a 1st and a prospect and a young roster defenseman with upside, or any two of those. So, hey, maybe an Ehrhoff-Stewart package isn't totally out of the question for us.


We could definitely swing that. Defensemen don't just fall from trees. Enough is enough gotta get someone while their available 1st+Smith+Pulkinnen these trades write themselves


#2488041 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by marcaractac on 28 February 2014 - 09:05 PM

I keep hearing/reading that Ehrhoff might go for a 1st and a prospect and a young roster defenseman with upside, or any two of those. So, hey, maybe an Ehrhoff-Stewart package isn't totally out of the question for us.

 

A much more realistic option than Kesler and Edler really. Would love to see it happen.




#2487317 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by Andy Pred 48 on 27 February 2014 - 02:29 PM

I'd like to see this on the PP and 3rd line next year.

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=zvKdNw13Z8c