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#2491528 Ken Holland's Moves From 2009-2014

Posted by frankgrimes on 06 March 2014 - 12:00 AM


Clarkson sucks. He has no hockey sense, he's been suspended twice since becoming a Leaf, and his contract is nightmarish. (And yes, I realize I'm the same guy who wouldn't mind having Chris Stewart on our team. But, see, Chris Stewart can actually produce.) Weiss is a better player, he's just been hit with injuries.


Well in hindsight neither of the two is a good signing so far, that's for sure. Chris Stewart didn't get along with Hitchcock him and Babs would absolutely hate each other after two weeks tops so I understand not going after him. Although for a franchise with so much resources it's a bit of a shame that we can't get any superstars to sign here or at least stars and sorry that's on Holland.

#2491273 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by Playmaker on 05 March 2014 - 07:45 PM

As far as making the playoffs, it's not just a record thing, it's a business thing.  The players make no more money in the playoffs, yet the owners do.  Even if they got swept in the first round, two home games is 2+ million dollars for the organization. 

#2491251 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by Nevermind on 05 March 2014 - 07:21 PM

Guess there's no such thing are free agency either, the Wings are doomed without a young center.

Elite players don't make it to free agency anymore. And if they do, it's a Parise/Suter bidding war.

Young, defensively sound, top 6 centers don't grow on trees.

#2491175 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by evilmrt on 05 March 2014 - 06:22 PM

Am I missing something or did we in fact pay more for David Legwand (a rental) than the Habs paid for Thomas Vanek?


Legwand probably called Holland and said he wanted to be traded there, and Holland, while playing Solitaire, asked his wet-behind-the-ears assistant to pull a trade out of his butt and here we are. 

#2491156 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by dirtydangles on 05 March 2014 - 06:14 PM

Holland is sure as hell ramping up the pressure on himself to draft a 1C in the next draft or two. This is the only way he can ever expect to survive the retirements of Datsyuk and Zetterberg and then Legwand and Weiss promptly along with them. We have NOTHING for the top 6 C outside of maybe Sheahan who may be over performing right now as we all projected him as a 3C at best. Helm will never be a top 6 C and we have SQUAT other than that. 


Holland better be looking to take our 1st, 2nd (if we have it) and move way up to get a player like Draisaitl or something because we are looking terrible at C depth now in the minors. 

#2490127 Official 2014 NHL Trade Deadline Thread

Posted by wings87 on 05 March 2014 - 12:51 PM


Put a sock in it!

#2489220 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by Shaman on 04 March 2014 - 03:13 PM

Well, it seems that other teams are now the front-runners for the players the Wings were rumored to be interested in, at least the high-profile ones. And the low-profile ones that the Wings were linked to have gone suspiciously quiet. If past day-before-deadline behavior is any indicator, it looks like Holland will really stand pat.

In my opinion standing pat is the worst thing Holland can do at this point. 


The team either has to make a commitment to making a cup run, or call it a rebuilding year and move assets for the future. If they stand pat they probably eek into the playoffs, get eliminated early and Holland praises the fact the streak is still alive and they go into next offseason in the same position they were last year.

#2489080 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by VM1138 on 04 March 2014 - 12:00 PM

If that's the asking price, I'd be strongly compelled to take it.  Only thing is, if we lose Helm for another Center, while we upgrade the position we don't solve our current dilemma of not having enough good centers healthy.


I agree with Holland about no rentals, but he should absolutely be aggressive about anyone else.  I'd part with picks easily, since the draft will be weak and the Wings will finish somewhere in the middle of the pack.  We have a lot of prospects, so if one of them gets us a legit top 6 or top 4 guy right now, you do it.


The injuries to Datsyuk and Z only make it more imperative that we make a move, not less.  Even with everyone healthy, the team still needs changes and additions.  So make them now, since there are some legitimately good choices available.  This year's deadline is better than previous ones because there are actually good players available, so don't wait for the off-season to upgrade somewhere.  


And as for Cammalleri, he may be small, but he gets to the dirty areas, doesn't he? And he snipes.  I think he's like Tatar. Small but he plays big.

#2488756 Trade Deadline Prediction Time

Posted by DickieDunn on 03 March 2014 - 10:16 AM

I say yes to a D-Man...and maybe a FWD if the right deal pops up.  Rumor has it that the Wings are one of 3-4 teams that are in serious talks with VAN for Kesler...but even if a Boyes or Jagr presents itself I think Holland will move on it...within reason of course.


Expendable: Andersson, Kindl, Quincey, Helm, Eaves, Cleary, Bertuzzi, Samuelsson.


DO NOT MOVE Sheahan, Tatar, Nyquist or Jurco. Thank you.



So you don't want them to get a good player?

#2488697 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by marcaractac on 02 March 2014 - 10:01 PM

I think a team would be stupid to give a 1st for Vanek without it being a conditional pick. In the end, Holland won't go for a rental. Wings landing Vanek would hinder on him singing long term. But it's already well known he wants to test the market. If he wants to play here, he'd come here this summer. No point giving up assets for him now.

#2488696 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by Richdg on 02 March 2014 - 09:57 PM

If they agree to an extension when we pick them up, that is fine. But to give up anything for either and have them walk this summer, no. How much sense would it make to say.... trade tatar for vanek, and then have him leave in July? That would be dumb. I would rather trade for others-like kesler, then sign Vanek this summer as a UFA. Yes we have the cap space to do both.

#2488690 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by Richdg on 02 March 2014 - 09:43 PM

We also have to look past this year. No rentals is and should be our motto. But good players that are here for 2+ more years, grab them if we can. We have more prospects than roster spots and a ton of cap room the next few years. True, not all prospects will work out. That being the case, how can you count on them? Or maybe better asked, which ones do you count on?

#2488687 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by Richdg on 02 March 2014 - 09:20 PM

As a few others have mentioned, it takes time for prospects to turn into regulars or stars. Very rarely do guys come into the NHL and put up 80 points. The far more common route is a guy come up, plays 60ish games and has 30ish point. Next year more games and more points. 3rd year the same. That was the route with most of our stars now. It took them 3-5 years to hit their potential. So, are we a really good team in 3 or 4 years by standing pat? Maybe. First not all of our prospects will work out. Second Datsyuk is then gone. Third, will Z's back hold up? Fourth, will Franzen still be around or will concussions have ended his career by then?

Four years from now, Kronwall may also be done. same with Howard. E will be in his mid 30's. Most if not all of those guys will playing fewer games and putting up fewer points as they travel through their mid and late 30's. In other words, we will be treading water.

#2488685 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by FlashyG on 02 March 2014 - 09:12 PM


No offense, Flashy, because you're a good dude who makes kickass GDTs - but I'm an immature, impatient, impetuous Wings fan, and I grow weary of "Let's wait until next season, because..." There will always be high-quality players available at the deadline, true - but there will also always be reasons, excuses, rationalizations as to why we shouldn't do anything.


We have to improve significantly if we want to win one more Cup with Datsyuk and Zetterberg. I'm high on our young guns and Griffins, but Ouellet, Sproul, Pulkkinen, Jarnkrok - they're all at least one more season away. And even then, they'll only be rookies. (Brendan Smith is a reminder that being a very good defenseman in the NHL is very, very, very hard.) Meanwhile, our core will be that much older and probably less effective.


Free agency sucks. We know the script: most of the top guys will re-sign, and the ones who don't will be looking to Get Paid and therefore won't be coming to Motown, because we're generally averse to bidding wars these days. We can't realistically expect a Daniel Alfredsson to fall into our collective lap every summer. (Collective Lap. Add that to the band name list.) Even Weiss was sort of a stroke of luck, as he was very keen on becoming a Wing. And, given Weiss's monumental struggles, I fear Kenny's never going to take a chance on a high-end free agent again.


The only other option? Trade.


I feel like maybe the stars are aligning for us here on the trade front. The cap room we'd need? Suddenly we have it. The attractive young roster players we'd need? Nyquist, Tatar, Sheahan, Jurco. Potentially high (and therefore quite valuable) first-round pick? Yep. And, of course, a wealth of promising prospects. (In Mantha - who may be having his first and last this-kid-is-just-plain-better-than-everyone-else season - we have, for the first time in a long time, a prospect that any and every GM in the league would probably love to have.)


I'm not saying we should sell the farm, our future.

I'm not saying we should be in on high-priced rentals like Vanek.

I'm not saying we're a contender who just needs one big trade to put us over the top.

I'm not saying we absolutely must make a big trade.


I'm saying...Why not now? Why not doing something this season?


I feel we're in a position to make a significant move. I don't know that such a move is there to be made, but I've always believed that the possibilities are never limited to the rumors. Nearly any player can be had for the right price; a smart, creative, wiley GM might make things happen. Easy for me to say, of course. But it's also easy to do nothing.



I'm not saying we shouldn't go all in for a chance to win a cup with Datsyuk and Zetterberg around, I'm saying that we'd be better off doing so next season than we are right now.


Basically any move we make right now is to improve our chances next season anyways because regardless of what we do, this season is in all likelihood a lost cause as far as cup chances are concerned.


The deadline is the worst time to make a trade anyways, prices are through the roof, only a handful of guys are available and a bunch of teams are outbidding one another to get them. If we're going to improve for next season do it at the draft, at least then we know what pick we're giving away, and hopefully we've gotten a better feel on our prospects so we're less likely to give away the good ones.

#2488617 Naming the New Arena

Posted by derblaueClaus on 02 March 2014 - 05:26 PM

I'm shocked nobody came up with Little Ceasars Palace yet. :P