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#2684185 DeKeyser re-signed to a 6 year deal

Posted by Dabura on 29 July 2016 - 09:06 AM

I'm not a fan of this deal. We overpaid for a middle-pairing defenseman who hasn't demonstrated top-end ability. His basic stats are underwhelming, his advanced stats are awful (granted, brutal deployment is probably a contributing factor there), and he has no extraordinary quality/skill/characteristic that separates him from the pack of good-but-not-great NHL defensemen. At this point in time, he's a #3 or #4 defenseman. That we consider him our best defenseman is a testament to how horribly inadequate our blue line is.




#2684183 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Dabura on 29 July 2016 - 06:52 AM

http://www.mlive.com..._to_acquir.html

 

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#2684061 Calle Jarnkrok

Posted by Dabura on 27 July 2016 - 01:35 PM

David Poile is a beast.




#2684002 Red Wings All-Bust Roster

Posted by Dabura on 27 July 2016 - 12:18 AM

I don't consider Brunner a bust. Not a whole lot was expected of him and he was decently effective in his short stint with us. For a very short time, the line of Nyquist-Andersson-Brunner was kinda sorta awesome.




#2683999 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Dabura on 26 July 2016 - 11:47 PM

It's obvious that a trade has to happen, Holland himself has admitted it. The problem is it's hard.

 

Holland has never truly admitted that a trade has to happen. He's been saying the same "Y'know, we'd like to make a trade, BUT..." crap since Rafalski retired.

 

The problem is not that trading is hard. The problem is, in a word, Holland. He doesn't do impact trades. He doesn't have any real interest in shaking things up.

 

Again I say:

  • The Wings have made less than 25 trades since 2005.
  • That's far and away the fewest of any team.
  • The Devils are second from the bottom with 50 trades.

Ken Holland does not care about solving real problems and making meaningful changes and meaningful improvements and icing a truly solid team. Ken Holland cares about maintaining the status quo.


I'd also love to see AA and Mantha play, but they aren't 4th liners and there really isn't any room in the top 9 for them bArring a trade of one or two forwards from the nhl roster...

 

AA and Mantha could be fourth-liners. We could roll four scoring lines.

 

But, instead, our fourth line is going to be Miller-Glendening-Ott.

 

Because the Wings are run by assholes.




#2683994 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Dabura on 26 July 2016 - 11:18 PM

If AA and Mantha can't outplay Vanek then they need more time in the minors.

 

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A catch-22 is a paradoxical situation from which an individual cannot escape because of contradictory rules. An example would be: To apply for a job, you need to have a few years of experience. But in order to gain experience, you need to get a job first.




#2683883 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Dabura on 25 July 2016 - 09:58 PM

http://www.detroitne...nears/87528646/

 

Holland said he is open to a trade, but many teams are in pursuit of highly ranked, offensive defensemen and not many are available.

 

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#2683639 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Dabura on 22 July 2016 - 01:15 PM

I dont think anyone would care that much if Jurco or Pulk got dealt for peanuts to be honest.

Both of their hypes have been GREATLY dminished

 

I would absolutely care. These are good young players. Their trade value/"hype" has been "GREATLY diminished" because the Wings are run by assholes.




#2683637 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Dabura on 22 July 2016 - 01:08 PM

I do think he set up a good foundation of forward depth if the right deal comes along... Which is more than we can say about years past.

 

See, the biggest source of my frustration is that I do feel he has the necessary pieces -- I just think he lacks the will, desire, creativity, cojones, etc. to actually Get It Done.

 

It's complacency, risk-aversion, hoarding. It's arrogance. It's laziness. It's outdated, provincial thinking. It's everything, and it continues to result in a whole lot of nothing.

 

Over the past eleven years, no team has made fewer trades. The Wings' official count is, I believe, 23. The Devils are second from the bottom with something like 50.




#2683634 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Dabura on 22 July 2016 - 12:54 PM

I get the frustration, but I personally think the Nielsen signing was needed. We couldn't go into the season with Zetterberg / Sheahan / Larkin as our top 3 centers. Zetterberg needs his minutes cut, Larkin isn't ready for number one center duty, and while Sheahan can play 2nd line center in a pinch, I think he's better suited in the bottom 6. I'm one of the few that wanted Helm back, and while it may be half a mil too high and a couple years too long, I think it was a good signing. Vanek is a low risk, high reward signing, but I would have preferred to see a kid get that spot. The Miller and Ott signings are a complete joke... Without the latter three signings we could have had a few more spots open for the kids, who are mostly deserving of spots anyway... Of the players that you mentioned though, I only think Athanasiou and Mantha are ready to be full time NHLers. I'm completely fine with Bertuzzi spending another season in Grand Rapids, and honestly, I don't see Nosek as a high quality NHL player anyway. He might be a decent 3rd line center, but I'd much rather have Helm or Sheahan fill that spot...

 

The Nielsen signing was absolutely necessary. I'm just painting an overall picture. We signed three past-their-prime veterans (at least one of which we absolutely, positively do not need in any way, shape or form) and re-signed two past-their-prime veterans (at least one of which we absolutely, positively do not need in any way, shape or form). I see a lot of people looking at these signings and saying a trade must be coming. I look at these signings and ask, "How is this any different from last year, or the year before that, or the year before that, or the year before that?"

 

http://www.thehockey...tanley-Cup.html

 

ST. PAUL – The moment Mike Babcock learned the San Jose Sharks had acquired defenseman Brent Burns, he instantly got the look of a guy who’s team just let one get away.

His Red Wings are looking for a defenseman to replace the retired Brian Rafalski, but it was the playoff rival Sharks who pried the talented Burns away from the Minnesota Wild in a blockbuster trade.

“They just hit a home run,” Babcock said of the Sharks. “That’s a gold medal pick. I’m pissed off.”

 

That was five years ago. We're still waiting on That Trade for That Defenseman.




#2683505 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Dabura on 20 July 2016 - 06:25 AM

If it's anyone, it's going to be Fowler. It is well known that Holland wants him. More than one hockey insider has said that's his target. Things could change of course...

I still think it'll cost us a fwd, D and prospect. It'd be nice if we could get away with a fwd and prospect D. Of course that would make Smith #7 again.

 

It'll be Fowler, Edler, Quincey, or Tyutin. Because Red Wings.

 

The thing that continues to piss me off: I know there are deals out there, ready to be made. We all know it, whether we want to admit it or not. This whole "trades are impossible" situation isn't about other GMs asking for far too much, it's about Holland being completely and utterly unwilling to part with a single significant asset. (Unless we're getting an over-the-hill rental at the trade deadline, in which case Holland will give away young assets like they're going out of style. Because Red Wings.) I mean, sure, things would be easier -- on multiple fronts -- if we had more pieces that other GMs find decidedly super-attractive, but you know what those pieces tend to be? Young, hugely talented high-end players. The kind Holland actively hates, because "They don't know how to play without the puck" and because "Kids aren't the answer" and blah blah f****** blah. Because Red Wings.




#2683496 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Dabura on 19 July 2016 - 05:30 PM

I have to believe this surplus of forwards is for a greater cause.

 

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#2683279 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Dabura on 15 July 2016 - 04:47 PM

I certainly think players need to earn their ice time. That theory is not incorrect. The issue I have is some of them already have earned it but didn't get it last year. 

 

Same here. I'm ok with kids having to earn their ice time. I'm not ok with how the Wings go about enforcing this policy. It's like something out of a Joseph Heller novel...
 

https://en.wikipedia...atch-22_(logic)

 

A catch-22 is a paradoxical situation from which an individual cannot escape because of contradictory rules.[1][2] An example would be:

 

To apply for a job, you need to have a few years of experience. But in order to gain experience, you need to get a job first.

 

Catch-22s often result from rules, regulations, or procedures that an individual is subject to but has no control over because to fight the rule is to accept it. Another example is a situation in which someone is in need of something that can only be had by not being in need of it. One connotation of the term is that the creators of the "catch-22" have created arbitrary rules in order to justify and conceal their own abuse of power.

 

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Joseph Heller coined the term in his 1961 novel Catch-22, which describes absurd bureaucratic constraints on soldiers in World War II. The term is introduced by the character Doc Daneeka, an army psychiatrist who invokes "Catch 22" to explain why any pilot requesting mental evaluation for insanity—hoping to be found not sane enough to fly and thereby escape dangerous missions—demonstrates his own sanity in making the request and thus cannot be declared insane. This phrase also means a dilemma or difficult circumstance from which there is no escape because of mutually conflicting or dependent conditions.[3]

 

"You mean there's a catch?"

 

"Sure there's a catch," Doc Daneeka replied. "Catch-22. Anyone who wants to get out of combat duty isn't really crazy."

 

There was only one catch and that was Catch-22, which specified that a concern for one's own safety in the face of dangers that were real and immediate was the process of a rational mind. Orr was crazy and could be grounded. All he had to do was ask; and as soon as he did, he would no longer be crazy and would have to fly more missions. Orr would be crazy to fly more missions and sane if he didn't, but if he was sane, he had to fly them. If he flew them, he was crazy and didn't have to; but if he didn't want to, he was sane and had to. Yossarian was moved very deeply by the absolute simplicity of this clause of Catch-22 and let out a respectful whistle.

 

(Catch-22 is one of the greatest novels ever written, IMHO.)


They can't become good nhl players if Holland blocks them from playing because of Helm and Glendening

 

Exactly. I hate the Helm extension and the Glendening extension, largely for this very reason.




#2683275 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Dabura on 15 July 2016 - 04:12 PM

After the Streak ends or the record is broken, change will happen.

 

I doubt it.

 

"Y'know, we only missed the playoffs by a couple points. If we win one more shootout, we're probably in. And once you're in, you've got as good a chance as any other playoff team. At the end of the day, we're a team in transition. We like our team. I know there are people who want us to tank, but I've never bought into that kind of thinking. We're gonna keep doing what we've been doing. We're not going to blow everything up because we missed the playoffs by a couple points."

 

We'd have to miss the playoffs by a country mile. (And even then, I dunno.) If it's close, we stick with the status quo. Because Red Wings.

 

Our best/only hope: kids. More specifically, we need a new prime-years Datsyuk and a new prime-years Zetterberg. I think Larkin is (going to be) that good. I think Athanasiou has that kind of top-end potential. I think Mantha can grow into a new prime-years Franzen. I've always felt Mrazek has Vezina potential. I think Saarijarvi is an elite talent. But it's probably going to be several years before Holland and Blashill are willing to truly hand the keys over to the next generation. Because kids have to "earn it," or some such bulls***.




#2683253 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Dabura on 15 July 2016 - 09:53 AM

Holland doesn't believe that young kids are the answer. I'm not going to say if he's right or wrong

 

It's not a black-or-white, all-or-nothing issue. Holland's making it one, but it's not one (or, it shouldn't be one).

 

The team needs more youth. It doesn't need all youth. It needs more youth. And more skill, more talent, more high-end ability. Greater possession prowess. Goal scoring. Being able to play without the puck. Young legs. Size. These are things we're lacking. These are things that an Athanasiou or a Mantha can provide, and for a dirt-cheap cap hit--and neither of these players has even come close to hitting his respective ceiling yet.

 

We're looking more and more like the Canadiens, and that's not a good thing. It's a bad thing. All this garbage about Grit and Character and Experience and Playing Without the Puck and Veteran Leadership and Knowing Your Place and Earning Your [insert whatever the hell it is you're supposed to be "earning"] -- it's all bulls***. And, accordingly, we'll be lucky to make the playoffs this season, just like 2015-16, 2014-15, 2013-14, 2012-13.