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#2679669 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Dabura on Yesterday, 01:19 PM

This has probably been mentioned, but Andy Strickland has refuted the report that says the asking price for Shattenkirk is Larkin.

 

https://twitter.com/...171869145575424
 

The report the #stlblues asking for Dylan Larkin for Kevin Shattenkirk is humorous and untrue

 

HSJ and Khan have suggested/stated the asking price for Shattenkirk is Larkin. Because, like I've said, if you're getting your info from Detroit media, then the asking price for any and every high-end player is always our best young player.




#2679667 Drew Miller re-signs... 1 year deal $1.025 million

Posted by Dabura on Yesterday, 01:06 PM

Miller and Glendening are possession black holes. Whatever positives they bring are outweighed by the fact that they spend all of their time at even-strength without the puck (often against top players, because reasons). You don't win with a fourth line that's "gritty and real good defensively." You win with a fourth line that's talented enough to be a third line and can devour other teams' bottom-sixers. Also, this is one less spot for a kid, which is always good to see. (yeah but thoes kidzn arnt real gud defensivly)




#2679638 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Dabura on Yesterday, 11:59 AM

I thought Stamkos wanted to be the main guy?
Anyway, I can for sure see the appeal of playing in Buffalo or Toronto, but at the same time we are talking about what was the last place and 23rd place teams in the league as of a couple months ago. Up-and-coming is never a guarantee, and there's definitely a level of risk associated with signing the rest of your career away to one of those two teams. The Wings haven't been all that exciting the past few seasons, but at the very least we've been a consistent playoff team. For similar money, it might be more appealing to come to Detroit because we have a better track record of playing games that matter in April.

 

There are a couple of factors that might favor the Wings, or at least work against the top competition.

 

One, and you've touched on this here, is that the Sabres and especially the Leafs are probably two or three years away from being truly competitive. At that point, Stamkos will be right around 30 years old and may be in the early stages of decline. (Truth be told, he may already be in decline.) Is he willing to wait two or three years for the team to become competitive? Would he be ok with being eaten alive by the Toronto media at the first sign of trouble? Is he willing to joing an organization that has no recent history of success, one that may not become a perennial powerhouse? (Does he want to play on a bad team coached by Mike Babcock, who will inevitably put him on the wing and coach him to play "heavier" and "more defensively"?) These teams, by their own admission, have to "learn how to win." That's not necessarily as true of the Wings.

 

A second, related issue is the fact that all of the Sabres' and Leafs' top young talent will need substantial pay raises, which means they might find themselves where the Lightning now find themselves -- full of young talent, but lacking the cap space it'll take to keep all of those top players. Does Stamkos want to be the twelve-million-dollar reason why the Sabres can't keep Sam Reinhart or the Leafs can't keep William Nylander? Does he want to be counting for that much against a young team's cap when other players on the team are matching or exceeding his production and doing so for a fraction of his pay? Would that cause problems in the locker room? Would it lead to the younger talent demanding bigger money than they might otherwise demand, because "Well, Stamkos is getting paid this much to put up 65 points and I'm putting up 80+ points. And that's f***ed."

 

Did I mention Toronto eats its young?


Dreger: RedWings keenly interested in Stamkos. If they don't land, probably look at Eriksson, or Boedker, or Okposo, or maybe Backes.

 

Please no Boedker. He's not the player people think he is. We're talking substantially less competent than Tatar or Nyquist.




#2679625 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Dabura on Yesterday, 09:40 AM

I would do $12M, yes. Why? Simple: our need is that great. Buffalo's need isn't nearly as great as ours, which is why I'm not convinced that they're prepared to go two or three million higher than the consensus market value. They don't need a Steven Stamkos. We absolutely do. (Unless, perhaps, we can acquire a guy like Martin Hanzal. But even then, there's a big talent gap between Hanzal and Stamkos.)




#2679491 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Dabura on 25 June 2016 - 03:08 PM

Kenny should be all over something for fowler. Maybe Tatar + 2 seconds

 

Like I said a few days ago, Cam Fowler is bleh.

 

http://www.wingingit...of-a-defenseman

 

IMHO, Mattias Ekholm is the player that Fowler is mistakenly believed to be.




#2679481 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Dabura on 25 June 2016 - 02:27 PM

Been pondering the Stamkos situation. We would obviously love to have him and have the money stashed away if he can be swayed now.
With that said, I think it's highly unlikely that he'll join our team. Trying to see it from his perspective, what's most important? In rank, I believe:
 
*Money
*A chance to win the cup
*Acknowledgement from teammates, coaches and the fans
*A future legacy

 

Based on the teams that are actively going for him, we rank mid or low on these selling points. I see Tampa and Toronto clearly in the lead. It would have to take very special circumstances to sign him.

 

You're assuming 1) those four considerations are what's most important to Stamkos, 2) he would rank the importance of said considerations in that same order, and 3) his assessment of the given teams would match your own.

 

Truth is, we know next to nothing about Stamkos's motivations and preferences and opinions etc. For all we know, he finds the prospect of becoming the seventy-million-dollar captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs more terrifying than tantalizing.




#2679266 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Dabura on 24 June 2016 - 10:21 PM

If what Dreger is true it's more like

1. Buffalo willing to go 12 aav
2. Toronto
3. Tampa Bay but the captain needs to up his offer
4. Wings and everyone else who is interested

But hey gotta pass on a much needed gift in order to draft another undersized pick no one ever heard of.

 

Dreger: Red Wings top contender for Stamkos

 

Just Saiyan.




#2678685 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Dabura on 23 June 2016 - 04:34 AM

A slow piece of s***. But who cares, speed doesn't matter in hockey anyway.

 

Can Lucic play without the puck? You've got to be able to play without the puck if you want to have any success in this league. The best offense is never having the puck and always defending. Can Lucic never have the puck and always defend? Can he block shots? Can he kill penalties? Can he take faceoffs? Can he Luke Glendening? Can he Drew Miller? Can he fourth line? Is he a proven winner? Is he a guy you win with? Is he elite, elite? Is he real good? Is he heavy on the puck? Is he real responsible defensively? Is he real good defensively? Is he grit? Is he leadership? Is he veteran? Is he leadership veteran? Is he experience? Is he big? Is he physics??? Is he from the Michigans?????




#2678683 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Dabura on 23 June 2016 - 04:25 AM

As far as Tatar goes, I showed how the value of the give away Stat is iffy at best, and anyone who watched him last year can see how he ignored open linemates and tried to do everything himself instead, leading to the other team getting the puck. Just because they stay guy didn't give him give aways for that doesn't mean he's a good possession player, and your argument that the stats say he is and you can't prove otherwise is just plain asinine.

 

So your argument for Tatar being a poor possession player is that "anyone who watched him last year can see how he ignored open linemates and tried to do everything else himself instead, leading to the other team getting the puck." Yes, anyone and everyone who watched Tatar's 2015-16 season 1) saw that he is a bad possession player because he totally gave the puck away all the time and 2) understands that one season in an NHLer's career (or parts of one season, or parts of parts of one season, or parts of parts of parts of one season, or some people's shared perspective on parts of parts of parts of one season...) is definitely the unequivocal measure of an NHLer's possession prowess. That's some rock-solid analysis, full of evidence and all that good convincing stuff. I'm sure it's not at all subjective or anecdotal or possibly even mistaken. The eye simply doesn't lie, especially when it's Your Eye doing the eyeing.

 

Not that I hate the eye test. I just find it amusing that so many people think they need to resist stats like they're the Borg or something. If we're talking about a player's worth, the eye test isn't necessarily going to tell you as much as you'd probably like to think it will, unless you're paying damn close attention every night and and taking notes and keeping a record of at least some form of meaningful statistic (hopefully beyond the basic stats, because, otherwise, what's the point?) Of course, then it wouldn't be the eye test. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯




#2678559 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Dabura on 21 June 2016 - 09:09 PM

Tatar was brutal no matter what you say.

 

cool story bro




#2678505 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Dabura on 21 June 2016 - 01:29 PM

It's called negotiation.

 

It's also called the Detroit media. It's always, always, always, always the same line. "Ken Holland is trying to find a deal that makes sense for the organization, but every GM wants our top young talent. So his hands are tied. So you can't get mad at him. Being a GM is really hard. Sometimes the best trade is the one you don't make. Ken Holland has a hottt bod and dreamy eyes."




#2678440 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Dabura on 21 June 2016 - 02:48 AM

Can we at least agree they're all very close? We can rank them however but I'd consider them all on the same plane, except Seguin and Benn. Haven't seen them play to know if they're legit or just having a hot year like a Heatley or something.

 

Well, if the question is "Are Tyler Seguin and Jamie Benn among the best players in hockey?" then the answer is yes, unequivocally.

 

Seguin's point totals for the last three seasons, in chronological order:

  • 84 (80 games played)
  • 77 (71)
  • 73 (72)

Benn's point totals for the last three seasons, in chronological order:

  • 79 (81)
  • 87 (82)
  • 89 (82)

If that isn't elite, I dunno what is.

 

(Seguin put up 67 points in 81 games for the Bruins in the 2011-12 season. And he was drafted second overall. So I wouldn't say he's come out of nowhere. I think Benn is the much bigger surprise, as he was drafted 129th overall.)




#2678264 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Dabura on 19 June 2016 - 01:14 PM

Ericsson is a very serviceable 2nd / 3rd at worst defenseman in the NHL. It's not his fault our defense has been terrible for the past few years and he's been forced into a role above his talent level. $3.25M is a very reasonable cap hit for a player like Ericsson.

There's absolutely no reason to believe that we couldn't trade Ericsson ($1M retained) along with a Pulkkinen or Frk to a team for a low pick or prospect...

 

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$3.25M x 4 years for a 32-year-old Jonathan Ericsson is criminal. If it's the Oilers we're selling to, our sweetener would almost certainly have to be much sweeter than Pulkkinen/Frk, neither of whom would address any of the Oilers' most pressing needs.




#2678074 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Dabura on 18 June 2016 - 10:52 AM

holland has wanted to wheel and deel for the past few years. but then we always hear the same "the prices are too high" excuse every summer. i will believe it when i see it

 

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#2677073 Fixing this mess....

Posted by Dabura on 06 June 2016 - 08:50 PM

Fun fact: Wayne Simmonds grew up a Red Wings fan.
 

http://www.usatoday....taunts/4916239/

 

PHILADELPHIA — Growing up in the outskirts of Toronto, Wayne Simmonds had a lot of red on his bedroom walls. He was a Detroit Red Wings fan in Maple Leafs country and idolized Sergei Fedorov.

 

"I just liked his style," Simmonds said. "He had all the flashy equipment, but he played the game the right way. They even threw him on defense for probably a quarter of the year one time and he was still their best player."

 

The mural of Red Wings photos is still on the wall of his childhood bedroom.

 

What Simmonds saw in Fedorov has carried him from his childhood to veteran status in the NHL. Whether the Flyers are up three goals or down three goals, Simmonds is always playing like it's overtime of Game 7.

 

He's awesome. And the Flyers know this better than anyone.

 

But I don't think he's untouchable, nor do I believe the asking price would be too hard to stomach.