maybe they helped eachother out? weiss having all those top minutes and ppl minutes in 10 yrs only had 3 50+ pt seasons ... i didnt think he was gonna be this bad thus far in detroit but i never expected him to be a 60-80 pt guy here, guess he cant handle the pressure he'd be better off somewhere like phoenix
O muh Gawd.
Weiss is cold. Players go cold, have highs and lows. Even Z has gone cold in the past. In fact, there was a time when people here thought Z's career was pretty much over. And Z wasn't even coming off surgery, a missed season (essentially), and a move from Sunrise, Florida to Hockeytown, USA.
We're certainly better off than the other teams listed if they were to lose said star players..
Not sure I fully agree. But the fact that we can even have that conversation now is pretty incredible. We've gone from being a two-man show to an actual team, and all in the span of, like, a week. Which, tbh, has me kind of excited about the next couple of weeks.
With Hank and Pav out, the centers should be Weiss, Helm, Andersson, Sheahan...in that order. But I know they are strapped by the Cap, so Sheahan will not be here. Maybe move Abby back to center? Frick Franzen being there...if he does play center, HE should be the 4th liner with Cleary and Sammy...
Franzen has seven points in the last four games, or something like that. He's really stepped up with Datsyuk out and is a major reason why we're riding an impressive four-game winning streak.
Cool story. Joe Sakic 100% deserved that kind of respect. I hated the mid-90s Avs with all my heart, but their captain was the big exception. Nothing but respect (and fear, because he was always clutch against us) for him. An incredible, classy player.
My big issue with this vigilante justice that many of you are clamoring for is that it might very well re-write something of an unwritten rule in the NHL, which is:
Do not try to get to the Detroit Red Wings *that way*.
The way it is now, we play the Hurricanes, Muller scratches Westgarth; we play the Bruins, Julien scratches Thornton; we play the Sabres, Nolan scratches Scott; we play the Canadiens, Therrien scratches Parros (and Murray). It's an unwritten hockey code unto itself. It's a show of respect. It's a pretty good deal. On the other hand, the Bruins play the Sabres...and Scott crushes Eriksson. Because, hey, fair game.
Sure, every now and then something is going to happen. Weber almost took Z's head off, and Cowen caught Dats "on the button." But, you know what? I'd rather we take our chances with a once-every-two-or-three-years occurrence than basically tell the rest of the league, "We are the Detroit Red Wings and we will fight you!!!" That's what opposing coaches and thugs want us to say. They want us to give them the green light. They want us to dress a wildly out-of-place enforcer on our skill-centric team. They want us to get away from our game. That's why a guy would take a calculated run at Z or D in the first place. It's a bigger picture strategy thing.
And it doesn't work. If anything, it generally makes us better. I mean, just look at how good we've been since we lost Dats (and he'll be back soon enough, and we'll be even better). You could argue that, if the goal is to establish supremacy over us and soften us up for the rest of the league, taking out our best player was the single most stupid thing the Sens could've done. I don't think they go to bed last night thinking, "Ha! Datsyuk's still out! The last laugh! Haha!"
Don't get me wrong. I'm all for sticking up for yourself and your team mates and your team and your organization. I'm all for this team being tougher, more physical, grittier, harder to play against. But you have to be at least halfway reasonable about it. It can't be, "Datsyuk got caught with an elbow in a regular season game, in November. Accordingly, we must sign and dress at least three enforces and re-enact March 27, 1997 or else we suck and should just forfeit the season." This isn't the '80s, this isn't the Norris Division. Nor is it Lemieux-on-Draper. It's a deliberately careless elbow and a choppy, chippy game from a floundering, ultra-frustrated division rival that might not even make the playoffs. And last night we beat them in their own building and further strengthened the notion that, if it was a better chance at a Cup that he was looking for, Alfie made the right choice in signing with the Red Wings. We're second in the division and third in the conference, just a few points back of the Bruins and Penguins. And that's without our best player, our third-best defenseman, an important part of this season's first line, last season's Jimmy Howard, and, basically, our second-line center. So, at the moment, I'm pretty damn happy with, and proud of, this team.
I feel like even the boos are kind of a show of respect. Not intentionally, of course - but the idea is that he meant and means enough to them that he's worth booing. Or maybe I'm really reaching.
Overall, I thought the reception was a bit more positive than I had been expecting. I had thought there'd be some really heavy booing during the actual game. But, like Mike Johnson said, it was kind of middling.
I guess the official story is that we've been high on Edler for a long while now. We were going to take him in the draft (Hakan liked him), but we lost out and took Franzen instead. Then, years later, we tried to trade for him, but the Canucks wanted four pieces (one of them being a first-round pick), which was one or two too many for Kenny.
I do think trading for Edler is something we should very seriously consider. He wouldn't come in and replace Kronwall as our #1 on the back end, but he would give us an actual top four, which we don't have right now. As I've said before, we have a top three and a black hole. If winning (the Cup) now is something we want to be truly serious about, we need a solid top four. We seem to have sort of the "inside track" on Edler, which is great because it's virtually impossible to acquire a top-four defenseman these days. So, to me, this seems like it might have the potential to be kinda sorta maybe a gift from The Hockey Gods. Or a slightly Babcockian Opportunity/piece of cheese that's there for the taking, if you want it enough. Or something.
One thing to consider about Edler: he's 27. So, probably heading into his prime. (Ericsson didn't come around until he was 28ish, which is pretty much normal for defensemen.)
It covers, among other things, Alfie's ealy trials and tribulations as a Sen. I had always assumed it was smooth sailing from the very beginning, but apparently it wasn't...
Predictably, summer 2001 was time to negotiate another contract. Alfredsson bristled at the fact that his leadership was questioned and that he was chastised for calling out Yashin’s commitment issues. Again, negotiations between Alfredsson and the Senators were difficult. The 28-year old wanted a two-year, $7 million deal; Sens GM Marshall Johnston drove a hard bargain. Rumours circulated that the Swede had again asked for a trade out of Ottawa and that Johnston was working hard to get the winger to agree to a contract as part of a sign and trade move – Vancouver and the New York Rangers were rumoured destinations. After missing the bulk of training camp, #11 signed a one-year deal for $3 million on September 21, a slight raise on the $2.8 million he made during the 2000-2001 season.
With Alfredsson signed, Johnston tried to defuse the persistent rumours that the Swede was on the block. Less than a week after signing, a storm again erupted over his captaincy. Alfredsson, still irritated, told reporters he didn’t think he could remain captain because of a lack of support from Jacques Martin at the end-of-season meetings and from management during his contract negotiations. The following day he walked-back his comments, but reiterated the choice of captain was ultimately Martin’s. Alfredsson stated, "I might still be the captain…if I have their support".
Makes me think the seeds for Alfie's departure were planted long ago.