I think he just doesn't want to sign with a crap organization if he can help it.
That would be my guess.
While I have no way of knowing how he feels about the Wings, he knows Larkin is going to be a Red Wing in a couple years, and he knows he played his stellar senior season on Larkin's wing.
From our perspective...he's a pretty big body, right-winger (who can play center), shoots right, led a solid Wolverines teams in scoring. And Hockey's Future is correct: he "plays a disciplined, hard hitting game in his own zone" and "has become a quality possession player who takes a lot of defensive zone starts and converts them into up-ice pressure." He's exactly the kind of winger we're looking for (better than Kyle Baun, who we pursued but lost to Chicago), and we may be able to get him for free.
Datsyuk and Zetterberg...Nyquist and Tatar...Mantha and Athanasiou...Larkin and Hyman...
The move will allow Hyman to become an unrestricted free agent on Aug. 16, though the Panthers may trade his rights before then. Regardless, the Sunrise-based team will be losing out on a fairly promising prospect; Hyman led the Wolverines in scoring this year, with 54 points in 37 games, and finished as a Hobey Baker finalist.
Hyman has above-average speed and is a smooth and shifty skater. He has good lateral quickness and excellent stability on his skates. Hyman has shown dramatic improvement in his defensive and physical play during his college career and plays a disciplined, hard hitting game in his own zone. He has become a quality possession player who takes a lot of defensive zone starts and converts them into up-ice pressure.
Hyman is enjoying his finest college season as a senior at Michigan in 2014-15. He is the Wolverines' leading scorer as Michigan has been among the top teams in the country for much of the year. Likely to sign an entry-level contract with Florida following his college season, he may need time at the minor level to adjust to pro hockey. Long-term, Hyman appears versatile enough to play either center or winger and could blossom into a dangerous, two-way scoring forward with tremendous professional potential.
Hyman and Dylan Larkin were so good together this season that I have to think Kenny will try very hard to land him.
I can't believe this, Wings need to try to acquire Hall or Eberle I'd be happy to give up X-man and Tatar For one of them.
They finally get a generational centerman and then they go and trade one of their two best wingers for Tatar and Ouellet? Not happening. And that's fine, because we don't need a winger. The Oiler we should be looking at is Draisaitl.
Pulkinen probably won't be in the playoff lineup either unless he really starts contributing. That's fine. He needs more time to get used to the NHL.
I dunno, Pulkkinen's matched Jurco's goal total (2) in far fewer games, and he's just getting warmed up. Cole is, at this time, basically a better Jurco (big, physical goal-scorer with good wheels). Pulkkinen gives us a dimension that no one else does.
I get the pairings thing, but if we need a real impact player, won't he just play with Smith too? Mike needs to get over Kronwall-Ericsson, that big dope has cost us a lot of points this year, not just tonight. He's best served as a 4/5. I honestly don't think Holland will make a move, but Petry would be a good fit. I realize being the best of a bad bunch isn't the most glowing endorsement, but I see the guy a lot being out west and he's under appreciated to say the least. MacTavish is a guy who thinks Justin Schultz could win a Norris afterall We're probably arguing over nothing though, because the pairs going into the playoffs are probably going to be the same as tonight give or take an Xavier Oullet sighting.
Sorry, I was a bit harsh.
Jeff Petry is criminally underappreciated, and he might be a good fit. My problem is that I feel he'd be "more of the same." We need a great passer, he's not a great passer. We need point production, he's not a point producer. We need, ideally, someone who's going to add another dimension to our D corps. So, if it were between Petry and, say, Zidlicky, I'd probably choose the latter. Why? Because Zidlicky is an excellent passer, an excellent shooter, an excellent quarterback, and a point producer. He's not Rafalski, but he's the same kind of thing.
Every team in a playoff position right now scores more le buts than the Habs. If Price explodes like he did last year, they're done.
If tonight's game was called like an average game, Wings win.
Lot's of "ifs" I know.
All I'm saying is we've had a number of cracks at the Lightning and Canadiens and we haven't done much winning in those games. And if we look to recent playoff runs...couldn't score against Nashville, couldn't score against Chicago (when Chicago woke up), couldn't score against Boston, and now we're pretty harmless at even strength this season. I love Nyquist and Tatar, and the Euro Twins are the Euro Twins, but our scoring depth - like our blue line depth - isn't where it needs to be if we want to make a serious push in the playoffs. Even if we were able to get past the Lightning or Price in the first round, we'd have three more rounds to go. We haven't done very well against the top Eastern teams (Metro included), so this is all pretty concerning.
1. Nobody said he was getting paid like a first pair guy. Nobody said he was single handedly costing us games. Nobody said he's dragging us down. I said he was a third pairing defenseman with upside. Someone else said he was better than two of our top four defenseman. The evidence doesn't back that up.
2. Ok I'll bite. What's the case for him being good?
I'm not saying you're saying those things. I'm saying I don't get why we're fighting about this guy. You're puffing your chest and telling people to eat crow because you spent five minutes looking at some numbers which you may or may not fully understand. If I didn't know better, I'd think we were talking about Brett Lebda.
Read the page I linked. It's from last season, but it makes a pretty good case. Smith makes boneheaded mistakes and he doesn't put up points (though, he doesn't see time on the PP). But if given the choice between Kronwall-Ericsson and Kronwall-Smith as our first pairing, I'd pick the latter. Smith moves the puck well. He's shown he can be a solid possession player. He has virtually all the tools you could want in a quality NHL defenseman. He just hasn't quite put it all together.
Smith's a good defenseman. You can make a case against him, but you can also make a case for him. At the end of the day, I don't know why we have to fight about him. Is he getting paid like a first-pairing defenseman? Is he singlehandedly costing us games? Most of the time I barely notice him, which is probably a good thing. He definitely frustrates me at times, because he's clearly a really toolsy player and it feels like he should be more effective than he is. But it's not like he's dragging this team down.
Thoughts on Jagr? If the price is a draft pick, I'd seriously consider it. Gives us some more size, scoring prowess up front. He can still protect the puck like no one in the league, operate in tough areas.
Holland isn't the type to pull off any big trade unless he gets the upper hand by a considerable margin...We've all become accustomed with his usual phrase 'our healthy player/s returning will be our deadline acquisition...And if the Mule does return healthy, and contributes as he did a few years ago - well - there ya go I guess.
I'm certainly not against seeing some new faces - however I'd rather stay with what we have rather than giving up too much for a rental, or for a player who won't help as much as we'd like.
Oh, I know. What I'm saying is, the best course of action is always, without fail, presented as the one which doesn't see us making any significant moves. July 1, the draft, training camp, December, the All-Star break, the trade deadline - it's always "Well, our two options are overpaying or standing pat. Given those options, we should stand pat. My hands are tied. There's no hockey store. It is what it is." To which I say: bulls***! We have a clear-cut need, one we can't immediately address with in-house options. We've had this need for years. We've waited for the perfect deal for years. Our cupboard is now full of assets. We're a piece away from making a very good case for being The Team to Beat in the East. If we don't make a move, I'll consider it a failure on Holland's part. The counter-argument is "Well, there were no deals out there. It was overpay for a rental or stand pat, so I stood pat." And I'll refuse to believe that. The league is full of quality defensemen! If Ken Holland is half the GM we think he is, he should be able to find the player we need at a reasonable price. He's had years to find him. We're now a contender. No more waiting. Get something done.
Smith is worse than Quincey AND Dekeyser in every single statistical category. He's simply not better than they are. I suppose you can try to make the argument that he's currently better than Ericsson, however probably not given Ericsson's role on that pair. There are currently four better defensemen for our team's system. No knock on Smith, he's looked better with Marchenko and that pair has made some things happen lately. But this tired old "Smith's really super good, but the stars are just aligned to keep him on the third pair" crap is lame. He's been given every opportunity to grab on to a top four spot. He didn't win it. Oh well.
I wasn't necessarily defending Smith. You framed this as a discussion about what Babcock thinks of Smith - specifically, that Babcock doesn't believe he's a top-four defenseman.
Smith's a good defenseman. The big mistakes stick out in our minds and we judge him accordingly. He moves the puck well. He drives possession. He doesn't get PP time (make of that what you will), but Babcock isn't afraid to use him in key situations. He's an incredible skater. He's got a mean streak, reminds me of Stuart at times. I think of him as a dynamic two-way defenseman.
Pairing him with Quincey was a mistake, one that we rode for far too long. He should be paired with Kronwall (IMHO), but, again, the top four seems to be set in stone in Babcock's mind.
My one issue with him is actually his work in the o-zone. He doesn't shoot enough (and when he does, it tends to look almost like he's holding back, like he doesn't want to score). He has great offensive instincts, but, for whatever reason, he's struggling to make things happen. He's struggling to generate. He looks like someone whose special spark has been punitively beaten out of him.
I do think he's on increasingly thin ice. At 26, he needs to take that next step that we've been waiting for him to take. Ouellet and Marchenko want his job.
If anything is done - it'll be sometime on, or after July 1st.
Not that I necessarily disagree, but I feel like we say this every year. "He should wait until later." And then when that time comes, "He should wait until later." In the summer, we'll hear about our young players and how we want to see what they show us in training camp and how we'll make some decisions based on that. "There's no rush, no need to make a move in the summer. Might as well wait until the fall."