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#2568432 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Dabura on 05 February 2015 - 03:41 AM

Except it's really shanahan running everything now so your post doesn't apply


Franson's in the prime of his career. He's big, reasonably mobile. He can move the puck, score goals, put up points. (This season, he's been good for six goals, 30 points. Kronwall has been good for five goals, 28 points.) He's money on the power play. He can play big minutes against tough competition. He's a top-three defenseman on most teams, the Wings being one of them. We could really use a player like him. The Leafs, not so much. They're in a world of hurt right now because they've made bad decision after bad decision after bad decision. One of those bad decisions: handing Franson two short "show-me" contracts. Had they realized what they really had in him, they would've signed him to a longer deal that covered his first few UFA years.

#2567968 Buffalo Sabres could go for the record

Posted by Dabura on 03 February 2015 - 09:32 AM

McDavid won't help Buffalo.  Some teams are just mismanaged.  Sure, Pittsburgh and Chicago got lucky.  They drafted Crosby AND Malkin and other high talents.  Edmonton, too, but they're just so bad they mismanaged that, too.


One potentially great player won't turn or even start the turnaround for Buffalo. How many teams in the past had one or two great players but the team never went anywhere?


I guess it's a start but I won't be expecting a turnaround on the scale of Pittsburgh or Chicago.


Kinda harsh, don't you think? Darcy Regier drove the franchise into the ground. Tim Murray's job is to get out from under Regier's mess, which everyone in Buffalo knows and accepts is going to take years, even if they land McDavid. They've got to start somewhere, though, and McDavid/Eichel is as good as it gets. And it's not just McDavid/Eichel. Girgensons is a future 1C and, I believe, one of the few young NHLers who has a shot at being somewhere in the neighborhood of Datsyuk-good. Getting McDavid/Eichel means Girgensons, a future 1C, won't have to be a 1C, which gives them a Datsyuk-Zetterberg one-two punch situation at center. They also have the likes of Reinhart and Ristolainen and Zadorov and McCabe, and I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they moved Myers (and, say, Stewart) for O'Reilly. "How you like them apples?" Murray asks, sheepishly. And, holy hell, the man's only been on the job for, what, a season and a half? He's just getting started, and, frankly, that's kind of a scary thought.


I mean, I get it. We're the Wings, we do things the right way, f*** the Sabres and their shameless tank job. But, remember, there was a time when we were the Dead Things and it looked like the Cup would never return to Detroit. What started the turnaround? We sucked hard in the 1982-83 season, which allowed us to pick fourth overall in the draft, which allowed us to pick Steve Yzerman (though, only because the guy we really wanted - Pat friggin' LaFontaine - had already been picked). That gave us a true franchise player that we could build around, and that's what we did. We got lucky with Fedorov (fourth round, 74th overall). We got lucky with Lidstrom (third round, 53rd overall). We stole some Russians. We got Scotty Bowman. We brought in some outside help. Finally, 14 years after Yzerman was drafted (and not long after we'd considered flipping him for Yashin), we won a Cup. And then we won a couple more. And then we won another one. Which is incredibly impressive. But, the flipside of that is we were a perennial Cup favorite for two straight decades and we only (I know, "only") came away with four Cups. We've only won one in the cap era. All those years with Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Lidstrom, and we only won one Cup. Point being...actually, I don't remember. I went off on a tangent there.

#2567808 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Dabura on 02 February 2015 - 12:45 PM

My biggest issue with waiting one more year is that the planets really seem to be aligning for us this season. Zetterberg's having an absolute best-case scenario campaign, and the same can probably be said of Datsyuk. (If Datsyuk or Zetterberg starts to falter, we're not winning the Cup. Unless we add a top-end centerman.) Howard's been great, and we've basically been able to spot him a few weeks of rest without it impacting our place in the standings. Special teams, shot suppression, puck possession - our underlying numbers are really damn good for a team that doesn't have any prime-years all-star studs. The East, again, is as wide open as it's ever going to be, and we're right there at the top. This might be (but likely isn't) Babcock's last go-around with the Wings. Maybe most importantly, Babcock and Holland have pretty much come out and said that this team is a year or more ahead of schedule - so whatever The Plan was in the fall, it's safe to say it's changed, or has at least been accelerated.


If we add a top-three defenseman, one who can move the puck and put up points and play big minutes, we're as good as any team in the East. If The Right Deal presents itself, Holland should go for it. Strike while the iron is hot. If The Right Deal doesn't present itself...well, I'll be highly skeptical. But I'm used to trade deadline disappointment. Que sera, sera.

#2567149 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Dabura on 30 January 2015 - 01:21 PM

The thing is, where most fans and even a lot of GM's look at what will benefit the team this season, Ken Holland is looking at this season, as well as 5+ years from now.


Ken Holland traded a first-round pick for Kyle Quincey.


Ken Holland threw crazy money at Zach Parise and Ryan Suter. Had we signed them, "5+ years from now" wouldn't have been a thing anymore. We would've spent the duration of those enormous contracts living year-to-year, selling off young, homegrown assets when they became too expensive to hold on to. (Not necessarily saying it wouldn't have been worth it. Just saying.)


Ken Holland traded one of our better prospects and a second-round pick for a rental so that we could limp into the playoffs and keep The Streak alive.


Ken Holland courted Stephane Robidas, who was injured at the time and, as he's failed to establish himself as a regular on the Maple Leafs' blue line, is pretty clearly washed up.


Ken Holland has pursued Rick Nash, Alex Edler, Jarome Iginla, and probably every other big name under the sun. Eventually, we're going to land one of those big names. Because, at some point, you have to. We added Rafalski in the summer of '07 and Stuart in February of '08. The Kings added Williams and Richards and Carter, and then Gaborik. The Blackhawks added Sharp and Oduya and Hossa.


That's half the reason why you stockpile assets in the first place - so that you can trade them. You don't wait to see how each and every one of your promising prospects pans out. If you have your seven D slots filled, and you've got as many as five really good D prospects in the pipeline, and you're a Keith Yandle away from being a Cup favorite, and Keith Yandle is - for the first time ever - known to be available, and you have three more years left with Datsyuk...do you really say, "Well, we have to think about 5+ years from now"? I mean, sure, of course the future's a consideration. But, um, I'm personally not willing to wait 3-to-5 years to see if one of our prospects (at least two of whom inevitably won't be Red Wings, if only because we're not going to have enough room) becomes as good and valuable as Yandle is right now. Our blue line doesn't move the puck well enough and doesn't produce enough offense. Smith isn't producing. Ouellet doesn't have Yandle's offensive upside. Marchenko is a shutdown defenseman. Sproul is a couple years away from being a regular, never mind an impact player. You're telling me we can't afford to part with any of these players, even if we're getting a top-pairing defenseman who can score 50 points for the scoring-challenged Coyotes?


We need a Rafalski, and we need him while Datsyuk and Zetterberg are still dominant players. We're going to have to give to get him. If we're going to wait to see if one of our prospects becomes a Rafalski, we're taking a bigger risk than the one we'd be taking if we acquired that player. Because, we don't know where we're going to be 5+ years from now (though, we do know Datsyuk will be gone and Zetterberg will be a shell of the player we have today and Nyquist and Tatar and DeKeyser will be making serious money). I'm not saying we should trade one of our untouchables. I'm assuming we can add a Yandle without having to part with one of our crown jewels. Which is one of the perks of having a ton of assets. You can afford to part with a couple pieces. Pulkkinen isn't a key roster player for us right now, nor is Jurco, nor is Smith, nor is Ouellet, nor is Marchenko, nor is Sproul, nor is the pimple-faced 18-year-old we'd draft with our mid-to-late first-round pick. Remove two or three of these pieces and we're still a contender, and our future is still extremely bright, especially with a top-end defenseman in the prime of his career being added to the fold.


We're contenders. Datsyuk and Zetterberg and Kronwall and Nyquist and Tatar and Sheahan and DeKeyser have all avoided major injury this season. The Eastern Conference crown has never been so up-for-grabs. We should make a push. Why say, "Well, it's great that we're contenders, but what about 5+ years from now?" Well...maybe we're contenders 5+ years from now. But...we're contenders...right now...? I'm not talking about selling the farm. I'm talking about moving a D prospect plus Pulkkinen/Jurco. If that's completely out of the question, then we're never going to make a meaningful trade and this team is never going to reach its full potential. We draft and develop well, but not well enough that we can say, "Y'know what, let's try to win with an entirely homegrown roster." Why would we make that a thing? Even if it's possible, it's certainly not realistic. Every Cup-winning team that has ever been has needed some outside help.

#2566586 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Dabura on 28 January 2015 - 02:00 PM

Sabres GM bemoans 'very, very quiet' trade market [ProHockeyTalk]

“It’s been quiet, to be frank,” he said. “It’s been very, very quiet. We’re fairly close to the deadline and I didn’t expect it. I don’t expect every team to be active, but there usually are a small amount of teams that don’t wait for the deadline, that like to get it done before the deadline.”


Sabres' Murray: "I would love to be Kenny Holland" [Nichols on Hockey]


On how he has a dream job and if he’s having fun listening to trades:


“No. It’s no fun. I would love to be... who? I would love to be Kenny Holland. 23, 22 years making the playoffs. Not having GMs call you about available players because there’s nobody available. And the only trade you have to make, each and every year around the deadline, is to add a veteran guy to play on your third line or whatever that you feel could put you over the top, and that may be a second round pick. If it’s a second line player, maybe a first round pick. And you know you don’t even mind giving up a first round pick because you have that type of team. That would be fun, to me.

#2566164 1/27 GDT : Red Wings 5 at Panthers 4

Posted by Dabura on 27 January 2015 - 02:54 PM

Cleary is in!!!


No more Teemu? :(


If it ain't broke, break it.

#2565756 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Dabura on 24 January 2015 - 12:50 AM

Jarnkrok isn't exactly lighting it up, on one of the best teams in the league at that. He's a 3rd line center, and we have plenty of those.


Jurco isn't exactly lighting it up, on one of the best teams in the league at that. He's a fourth-line winger, and we have plenty of those.

#2565734 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Dabura on 23 January 2015 - 07:36 PM

Undrafted Giordano has some draft advice for NHL GMs [ProHockeyTalk]


“You’ve got to play a bunch of seasons before you really understand that it’s all about position and not running around and making bad reads,” he said. “For young guys to come in and be really effective defensemen, like [Drew Doughty and Aaron Ekblad], they’re pretty special players to be able to read the game the way they do at such a young age.”


Giordano was asked, if he were an NHL general manager with a late-round draft pick to use on a defenseman, what would he look for?


“The number one thing is hockey IQ,” he said. “Just look for a guy who reads the game well and sees the ice. At the end of the day, playing in your own zone is going to take a while. I think if you can look for guys who can move the puck and make plays, those are guys you can build around.”

#2565319 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Dabura on 20 January 2015 - 11:04 PM


#2564902 Are the Wings a Contender?

Posted by Dabura on 20 January 2015 - 01:55 PM


No team has been better at controlling games at even strength over the past six weeks than the Red Wings.


And then you add the special teams prowess on top of that.

#2564165 1/17 GDT : Predators 2 at Red Wings 5

Posted by Dabura on 18 January 2015 - 01:18 AM


#2563910 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Dabura on 17 January 2015 - 04:29 PM

Marchenko is up next year as well as XO. I kind of have a feeling that Kindls contract may put other teams off unless he


is packaged in with other assest's in a deal.  


Lashoff is wnat he is a #7 D at a cheap cap hit. Alexy would be an upgrade in every aspect. S


Don't count on Marchenko earning a permanent spot next season. Assuming Kindl is moved and no long-term defensemen are acquired, Ouellet will be our #6 next season and Lashoff will stick as our #7. Marchenko can't be our #7, because we don't want him sitting in the press box. So he'll be first on the callup list. Or he'll be traded. (Do we really need another shutdown defenseman?)


If Kenny really is serious about adding a good long-term defenseman, I'm thinking two of the more semi-realistic non-Petry options are Ellis and Bogosian. That's my (admittedly non-insider) sense right now. I say Bogosian because the Jets may be looking to move one of their top-four defensemen for a top-nine forward. I'm not crazy about Bogosian, but he's big, young, mobile, right-handed, signed long-term, accustomed to playing big minutes, and he has the potential to be a two-way #2, and he's not meeting expectations (which is the whole reason why he might be traded in the first place). That sounds a lot like Tyler Myers, right?

Helm has been solid for us this season, but maybe he'd be ok with going home to Winnipeg? They need a 3C...we need an RHD...

#2563283 Brodeur retires. Named Sr. Advisor to Blues GM

Posted by Dabura on 14 January 2015 - 09:24 PM

May be an option for Detroit to have a short-term backup for Mrazek while Howard is out for who knows how long...




Don't do it, Kenny. Don't you dare do it.

#2562600 Petry next Oiler to be shopped - FTLOG Kenny, get it done!

Posted by Dabura on 12 January 2015 - 08:31 AM

Petry's a legitimate top-four defenseman. If we're being honest, we have exactly one defenseman who's clearly better than Petry.

#2562597 Howard on Sportsnet's list of seven Vezina finalists at halfway po

Posted by Dabura on 12 January 2015 - 06:26 AM

Jimmy Howard's been one of the league's best starters this season. The Vezina is Rinne's to lose, though.