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#2576997 Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

Posted by Dabura on 01 March 2015 - 09:33 PM

This is a great add.

#2571411 2/16 GDT : Montreal Canadiens 2 at Red Wings 0

Posted by Dabura on 17 February 2015 - 02:05 AM

I get the pairings thing, but if we need a real impact player, won't he just play with Smith too? Mike needs to get over Kronwall-Ericsson, that big dope has cost us a lot of points this year, not just tonight. He's best served as a 4/5. I honestly don't think Holland will make a move, but Petry would be a good fit. I realize being the best of a bad bunch isn't the most glowing endorsement, but I see the guy a lot being out west and he's under appreciated to say the least. MacTavish is a guy who thinks Justin Schultz could win a Norris afterall :lol: We're probably arguing over nothing though, because the pairs going into the playoffs are probably going to be the same as tonight give or take an Xavier Oullet sighting.


Sorry, I was a bit harsh.


Jeff Petry is criminally underappreciated, and he might be a good fit. My problem is that I feel he'd be "more of the same." We need a great passer, he's not a great passer. We need point production, he's not a point producer. We need, ideally, someone who's going to add another dimension to our D corps. So, if it were between Petry and, say, Zidlicky, I'd probably choose the latter. Why? Because Zidlicky is an excellent passer, an excellent shooter, an excellent quarterback, and a point producer. He's not Rafalski, but he's the same kind of thing.

#2571390 2/16 GDT : Montreal Canadiens 2 at Red Wings 0

Posted by Dabura on 16 February 2015 - 11:08 PM

Every team in a playoff position right now scores more le buts than the Habs. If Price explodes like he did last year, they're done.

If tonight's game was called like an average game, Wings win.

Lot's of "ifs" I know.


All I'm saying is we've had a number of cracks at the Lightning and Canadiens and we haven't done much winning in those games. And if we look to recent playoff runs...couldn't score against Nashville, couldn't score against Chicago (when Chicago woke up), couldn't score against Boston, and now we're pretty harmless at even strength this season. I love Nyquist and Tatar, and the Euro Twins are the Euro Twins, but our scoring depth - like our blue line depth - isn't where it needs to be if we want to make a serious push in the playoffs. Even if we were able to get past the Lightning or Price in the first round, we'd have three more rounds to go. We haven't done very well against the top Eastern teams (Metro included), so this is all pretty concerning.

#2570055 2/11 GDT : Red Wings 1 at Penguins 4

Posted by Dabura on 11 February 2015 - 08:51 PM

I'm hoping that period was a result of the long break, and that we got the rust off the tank.


The Pens have been off since Saturday, same as us.


I am not ok with this team standing pat at the trade deadline.

#2569963 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Dabura on 11 February 2015 - 07:58 PM

1.  Nobody said he was getting paid like a first pair guy.  Nobody said he was single handedly costing us games.  Nobody said he's dragging us down.  I said he was a third pairing defenseman with upside.  Someone else said he was better than two of our top four defenseman.  The evidence doesn't back that up. 


2.  Ok I'll bite.  What's the case for him being good?


I'm not saying you're saying those things. I'm saying I don't get why we're fighting about this guy. You're puffing your chest and telling people to eat crow because you spent five minutes looking at some numbers which you may or may not fully understand. If I didn't know better, I'd think we were talking about Brett Lebda.


Read the page I linked. It's from last season, but it makes a pretty good case. Smith makes boneheaded mistakes and he doesn't put up points (though, he doesn't see time on the PP). But if given the choice between Kronwall-Ericsson and Kronwall-Smith as our first pairing, I'd pick the latter. Smith moves the puck well. He's shown he can be a solid possession player. He has virtually all the tools you could want in a quality NHL defenseman. He just hasn't quite put it all together.

#2569933 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Dabura on 11 February 2015 - 06:27 PM

Evaluating Brendan Smith


Smith's a good defenseman. You can make a case against him, but you can also make a case for him. At the end of the day, I don't know why we have to fight about him. Is he getting paid like a first-pairing defenseman? Is he singlehandedly costing us games? Most of the time I barely notice him, which is probably a good thing. He definitely frustrates me at times, because he's clearly a really toolsy player and it feels like he should be more effective than he is. But it's not like he's dragging this team down.

#2569918 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Dabura on 11 February 2015 - 05:43 PM

Thoughts on Jagr? If the price is a draft pick, I'd seriously consider it. Gives us some more size, scoring prowess up front. He can still protect the puck like no one in the league, operate in tough areas.

#2569834 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Dabura on 11 February 2015 - 01:42 PM

Holland isn't the type to pull off any big trade unless he gets the upper hand by a considerable margin...We've all become accustomed with his usual phrase 'our healthy player/s returning will be our deadline acquisition...And if the Mule does return healthy, and contributes as he did a few years ago - well - there ya go I guess. 


I'm certainly not against seeing some new faces - however I'd rather stay with what we have rather than giving up too much for a rental, or for a player who won't help as much as we'd like.


Oh, I know. What I'm saying is, the best course of action is always, without fail, presented as the one which doesn't see us making any significant moves. July 1, the draft, training camp, December, the All-Star break, the trade deadline - it's always "Well, our two options are overpaying or standing pat. Given those options, we should stand pat. My hands are tied. There's no hockey store. It is what it is." To which I say: bulls***! We have a clear-cut need, one we can't immediately address with in-house options. We've had this need for years. We've waited for the perfect deal for years. Our cupboard is now full of assets. We're a piece away from making a very good case for being The Team to Beat in the East. If we don't make a move, I'll consider it a failure on Holland's part. The counter-argument is "Well, there were no deals out there. It was overpay for a rental or stand pat, so I stood pat." And I'll refuse to believe that. The league is full of quality defensemen! If Ken Holland is half the GM we think he is, he should be able to find the player we need at a reasonable price. He's had years to find him. We're now a contender. No more waiting. Get something done.

#2569812 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Dabura on 11 February 2015 - 01:14 PM

Smith is worse than Quincey AND Dekeyser in every single statistical category.  He's simply not better than they are.  I suppose you can try to make the argument that he's currently better than Ericsson, however probably not given Ericsson's role on that pair.  There are currently four better defensemen for our team's system.  No knock on Smith, he's looked better with Marchenko and that pair has made some things happen lately.  But this tired old "Smith's really super good, but the stars are just aligned to keep him on the third pair" crap is lame.  He's been given every opportunity to grab on to a top four spot.  He didn't win it.  Oh well. 


I wasn't necessarily defending Smith. You framed this as a discussion about what Babcock thinks of Smith - specifically, that Babcock doesn't believe he's a top-four defenseman.


Smith's a good defenseman. The big mistakes stick out in our minds and we judge him accordingly. He moves the puck well. He drives possession. He doesn't get PP time (make of that what you will), but Babcock isn't afraid to use him in key situations. He's an incredible skater. He's got a mean streak, reminds me of Stuart at times. I think of him as a dynamic two-way defenseman.


Pairing him with Quincey was a mistake, one that we rode for far too long. He should be paired with Kronwall (IMHO), but, again, the top four seems to be set in stone in Babcock's mind.


My one issue with him is actually his work in the o-zone. He doesn't shoot enough (and when he does, it tends to look almost like he's holding back, like he doesn't want to score). He has great offensive instincts, but, for whatever reason, he's struggling to make things happen. He's struggling to generate. He looks like someone whose special spark has been punitively beaten out of him.


I do think he's on increasingly thin ice. At 26, he needs to take that next step that we've been waiting for him to take. Ouellet and Marchenko want his job.

If anything is done - it'll be sometime on, or after July 1st.


Not that I necessarily disagree, but I feel like we say this every year. "He should wait until later." And then when that time comes, "He should wait until later." In the summer, we'll hear about our young players and how we want to see what they show us in training camp and how we'll make some decisions based on that. "There's no rush, no need to make a move in the summer. Might as well wait until the fall."

#2569786 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Dabura on 11 February 2015 - 12:41 PM

Wings were scouting Toronto last night.  Just sayin'. 


We're definitely interested in Franson. I'd be absolutely shocked if we weren't. But I dunno if I can see Holland giving up a 2nd and a prospect for him and then committing $5.5M x 7 years to him. He's a good player. I like him as a Wing, in theory. But, does Babcock play him on the first pairing with Kronwall? Does he even play him on the second pairing (which would mean breaking up the shutdown pairing)? Is he a player Babcock feels he can really trust? Is he good enough on the defensive side of the puck? What if he settles in as a third-pairing guy on this team? Are we so sure that that wouldn't happen?

The Jets' top three is now Byfuglien, Enstrom, Meyers. That...is pretty damn decent.


I forgot about Trouba.



#2569780 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Dabura on 11 February 2015 - 12:25 PM

Watching Hockey Central @ Noon. Kypreos and MacLean always kill me. Guest Tim Campbell makes a good point about Kane: he's not a playmaker, he doesn't have especially good vision, he needs to have the puck on his stick and he needs to be looking and thinking and playing in straight lines. If I've had concerns about Kane (in terms of him maybe becoming a Wing), those are the concerns, and they're not minor ones. Kypreos responds with the standard "YEAH BUT HE CAN HIT AND FIGHT AND HEART AND GRIT AND HEART" business. (Can you tell Kypreos wasn't a high-end player?) And then MacLean wants to know if this move makes sense for Buffalo, because it hurts them in the short term. I just....ugh. These are the people who keep the rumor mill going. These are the people who said this would be the year the Wings finally miss the playoffs.

#2569776 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Dabura on 11 February 2015 - 12:16 PM

Mike Babcock does not believe Brendan Smith is a top four defenseman.  If he was, he would be.


Not sure I believe that. I think Babcock is just majorly against splitting up Kronwall-Ericsson and he wants a clockwork shutdown pairing, which he's found in DeKeyser-Quincey.

#2568504 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Dabura on 05 February 2015 - 01:37 PM

Your kidding right? It's all over the sports news all the time here how he loves toronto and how toronto isn't willing to budge from the 4 mill per ballpark , it has nothing to do with past 1 year offers ... if they realize how amazing he is they'd just give him the 5 per longterm and be done with it


The Leafs are in hockey hell. They have to rebuild. To that end, they need to move out some big contracts and stockpile futures. So, Franson @ $5.5M x 7 years doesn't necessarily make sense for them. They're already up against the cap ceiling, even without a Franson extension.


Even if Franson @ $5.5M x 7 years does make sense for them, Shanahan shouldn't be in this position in the first place. Franson should be on an affordable, manageable multi-year deal that takes him into the second or third year of his UFA years. His cap hit this season and next season and maybe even the season after that should be something like $3M, which would be a great value and would give them flexibility in terms of $ and term as well as trade options, as opposed to a huge $5.5M x 7 years deal that takes him from age 27 to age 34 and puts them in an even deeper hole in terms of their ability to wipe the slate clean and start over with only one or two big contracts on the books (one of them being Clarkson, who pretty much can't be moved). My point being, I could see Shanahan saying, "I'm not paying for a Nonis mistake unless I absolutely have to. We need to get out from under the mistakes of previous regimes, not double down on them in the first year of our rebuild."


As for Kronwall - our D corps doesn't generate enough offense. Kronwall is the only defenseman we have who can give us eight goals and 45 points. A truly elite team should have at least two guys like that. When we won the Cup, we had Lidstrom, Rafalski, and Kronwall. Now? We have a 34-year-old Kronwall and three "defensive defensemen" in Ericsson, DeKeyser, Quincey. Our blue line doesn't move the puck well enough, struggles to hit the net with shots from the point, and, again, just doesn't give us the production we need.

#2568433 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Dabura on 05 February 2015 - 04:16 AM

First off, there's no saying they land Franson


I didn't say otherwise.


My point is that Poile wants to upgrade a D corps that's already significantly better than ours and is arguably tops in the league. Poile should probably just be happy to be making the playoffs and being a top team. Instead, he wants to make his team even better, because why not. He wants to Go For It, because why not. Strike while the iron is hot, because why not. That's the approach I feel the Wings should be taking. We've liked our team for several years now, but we haven't made it past the second round in several years. This is the best team we've had in several years and I think we should Go For It, because why not.


I want that top-three defenseman. Without him, we can't win the Cup. Ouellet, Marchenko, and Sproul are all very promising, but not one of them is ready to be that gamechanging piece that puts us over the top.

#2568432 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Dabura on 05 February 2015 - 03:41 AM

Except it's really shanahan running everything now so your post doesn't apply


Franson's in the prime of his career. He's big, reasonably mobile. He can move the puck, score goals, put up points. (This season, he's been good for six goals, 30 points. Kronwall has been good for five goals, 28 points.) He's money on the power play. He can play big minutes against tough competition. He's a top-three defenseman on most teams, the Wings being one of them. We could really use a player like him. The Leafs, not so much. They're in a world of hurt right now because they've made bad decision after bad decision after bad decision. One of those bad decisions: handing Franson two short "show-me" contracts. Had they realized what they really had in him, they would've signed him to a longer deal that covered his first few UFA years.