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#2556312 12/12 GDT : Panthers 3 at Red Wings 2 (SO)

Posted by Dabura on 12 December 2014 - 11:07 PM

I didn't think we played a bad game. The Panthers' forecheck caused all kinds of problems for us in the first and second, but I thought we pretty much owned the third. I think we're really missing Abby; we're not making life hard enough for these goalies, and we're missing his heavy forechecking (not a lot of sustained pressure from the top two lines). But the biggest issue, I think, remains our transition game. It's flat-out not where it needs to be. It was miraculous a couple nights ago, but that's not gonna happen every night (i.e. the Leafs suck). Tonight we iced the puck about a thousand times on stupid "Well, maybe this'll work, maybe it won't - let's find out" stretch passes to no one. A better faceoff team would've made us pay.


The shootout...no words.

Worst part about this is that the stupid Howard shootout thread is bound to take on new life. I'm surprised it's survived. I get that it sucks that he's not a great shootout goalie, but we can't score consistently in the shootout either, and it's the stupidest thing to be pissing and moaning about, because it's the damn shootout! Howard is great in the parts of the game that really matter and we've got to have a thread about thef****** shootout. Ridiculous.


Bottom line is we're leaving a ton of points on the table (five and counting) and that has to stop being a thing, and it's on Howard and the shooters and the coaching staff to figure it out. I don't get the impression they're taking it as seriously as they should.

#2555940 Are the Wings a Contender?

Posted by Dabura on 12 December 2014 - 09:45 AM

I'm not a fan I yandle mainly cause he is a lefty.


Realistically, Mike Green (who's basically a right-handed, injury-prone Yandle) is probably our guy.

#2554899 Are the Wings a Contender?

Posted by Dabura on 08 December 2014 - 02:48 PM

We is a contender.

#2554486 12/6 GDT : Rangers 2 at Red Wings 3

Posted by Dabura on 07 December 2014 - 01:35 AM


#2554200 Once again The D is awesome

Posted by Dabura on 06 December 2014 - 01:57 AM


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#2554013 Jeff Petry; trade between us and oilers

Posted by Dabura on 05 December 2014 - 12:27 AM

Sending Kindl to Oilers will completely destroy that team. NHL needs Oilers.


Kindl would be one of their better defensemen. That's how bad it is.

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#2553112 Brodeur signs with Blues. 700k + some nutty bonuses

Posted by Dabura on 01 December 2014 - 08:03 PM

Martin...St. Louis?

#2552628 Lines Thread

Posted by Dabura on 29 November 2014 - 04:47 AM

The Wings' offense has really come alive this month. I think we scored four or more goals in all of our victories. This win over the Devils is especially cool because of who scored: Sheahan, Ouellet, Abdelkader, Miller. We're getting contributions from everyone now.


We do need increased production from the back end, though. Cody Franson could really help that cause.

#2552424 Are the Wings a Contender?

Posted by Dabura on 28 November 2014 - 06:02 PM

Personally, I define "contender" as a top-ten team. I don't think there should only be four or five contenders at any time. I call those teams favorites. They're the four or five best teams in the league, but there are five or six or seven other teams that are good enough to go deep in the playoffs and maybe win it all.


I think the Wings might be one of the ten best teams in the league, if not right now then by deadline time. In this sense, I think you could argue they're contenders. Does that mean I honestly think they're right there with Tampa Bay? Nope. But we're much, much closer to the top than we are to the bottom.

#2552340 11/26 GDT : Philadelphia Flyers 2 at Red Wings 5

Posted by Dabura on 27 November 2014 - 01:34 PM

They are based on past examples, given some funny names and done by math freaks and excel geniuses but I guess I'm just not advanced enough to care about stats other than goals, assists, gave is... the official ones. And even then they aren't telling the whole story a player could have a great game but still be snake bitten



Detroit Red Wings coach Mike Babcock is of the belief that the more information he can gather the better he will be at evaluating and running his team. That's why Babcock is interested in the growing movement of advanced statistical analysis in the NHL.


"Not only is it a great idea, but if you don't [start using analytics] you're going to fall behind," Babcock told NHL.com. "You have to be on the cutting edge. It was [Arizona Coyotes assistant general manager] Darcy Regier who said, 'If you didn't invent it, you have to be the second- or third-best copier, because if you're fourth or fifth you've got no chance.'"


Babcock said the Red Wings have not hired someone to serve as an analytics guru, but he said such a move is coming.


"Not quite yet, but 'yet' is the key word there," he said. "We will, for sure. We just have to."


The Boston Bruins, Toronto Maple Leafs and New Jersey Devils this summer have hired or promoted from within executives with statistical backgrounds. Pittsburgh Penguins general manager Jim Rutherford has talked about how he will incorporate analytics into the front office.


The Chicago Blackhawks and Los Angeles Kings have used analytics and have won the Stanley Cup twice each in the past five seasons. St. Louis Blues coach Ken Hitchcock is on record saying he uses analytics as part of his decision-making process for matchups and chemistry.


"I've seen so many analytics presentations it's not even funny," Babcock said. "Some of them have been very impressive and some of them I wasn't as impressed with, but I love the information. I absolutely love the information. We're in the information business, so how do you get it? And then you have to use your expertise to sort it out."


A basic element of the analytics movement happening in the NHL is possession-based stats featuring shot attempts-for versus shot attempts-against in 5-on-5 situations. Understanding the positive effects of possession and shooting the puck is not new to the hockey community, but stats found through possession metrics Corsi and Fenwick are relatively new and are being examined for their usefulness and effectiveness.


The game is all about possession. That much isn't really up for debate. The problem is, we don't have a way of measuring time of possession in hockey. So we use a proxy: shot attempts. The idea being, you can only shoot the puck if you possess the puck. Corsi is basically just +/- for shot attempts. Fenwick is the same deal except you exclude blocked shots. Sounds simple, and it is, but there's great value here. Advanced stats (which should just be called something less off-putting. Maybe extended stats?) aren't voodoo math. It's about getting a better (i.e. more nuanced, more quantifiable, more precise, more exact, more to-the-heart-of-what's-really-going-on in a given situation) handle on the game and turning that into a competitive advantage.

#2551372 Inconsistency

Posted by Dabura on 23 November 2014 - 06:15 PM

If I had to guess, I would say that the age distribution of our team may be playing a role.  One one end, we have our current core of Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, Kronwall, all on the wrong side of 33.  They're still great players, but the Wings cant lean on them as heavily as they used to, and I don't think it fair to expect them to string together win streaks entirely on their shoulders.  And on the other end of the spectrum, we have our up-and-coming core (give or take) of Nyqvist, Tatar, Sheahan, Dekeyser, etc etc all south of 25 years old.  They're great players, but not quite in their prime, and not quite experiened enough to be the leaders of this team.  If you look at the players that we have between 25 and 30 years old (which I'm arbitrarily defining as prime years just based on the notion that folks in this age range tend to have a few solid years of NHL experience under their belt, and are still young enough in most cases not to have lost a step or be plagued by injuries) we have Abdelkader (27), Andersson (25), Glendening (25), Helm (27), Miller (30), Nyquist (25), and Smith (25).  Four of those seven players are on our fourth line.  I think its also worth pointing out that even though I arbitrarily picked 25-30 as prime years, based in part due to NHL experience, Glendening, Andersson, Nyquist and Smith have all played less than 140 NHL games, which means that sweet spot between solid skill and durability, and solid experience is going to be delayed a few more years in these guys.

But who knows whats really going on.


I posted about this very thing a few days ago. While I don't think you can pin our inconsistency on just one or two things, I'm willing to bet this is the biggest factor.


The thing about a player's "prime" is it's not just some physiological thing that magically happens when you hit a certain age. It's largely just the fact that, being 27, you've been in this league for three or four or five years now. You're experienced, comfortable, confident. You're a veteran. Roughly half our roster isn't there yet, and you can definitely tell.

#2551349 Lines Thread

Posted by Dabura on 23 November 2014 - 04:23 PM

If Mantha ends up looking too good to stay in GR send Jurco back down to regain his goal touch.


Hate to say it, but nothing Mantha does is going to get him more than nine games with the big club this season.

#2551278 11/22 GDT - Red Wings @ Maple Leafs - 7:00 PM EST

Posted by Dabura on 22 November 2014 - 10:08 PM

Man I'd like to see a little bit more consistency out of this team.  Like a good four game win streak would do my heart good.  We've got a skilled team, and some guys are playing really well, but damn if they can't do it every night. 




For all the crap the Leafs get about being the most wildly inconsistent team in the league, I'd say the Wings are right there with them in that regard.

#2551270 11/22 GDT - Red Wings @ Maple Leafs - 7:00 PM EST

Posted by Dabura on 22 November 2014 - 10:00 PM

Oof. Not a good night for the good guys in red and white.


I think it's time Babs takes some of that tough love he's been giving Tatar and spreads it around the locker room. This was a pretty terrible effort.

#2550338 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Dabura on 20 November 2014 - 07:41 PM

To me, this is a transition/development year. We're not really looking to balls-out contend quite yet. We're setting up for next season, two seasons from now, three seasons from now. Case in point: we've got all of six skaters who are solidly in their prime years, and they are Helm, Abdelkader, Miller, Quincey, Kindl, Ericsson. (Woof.) And, just as tellingly, we're carrying ten skaters who are 25 or younger (i.e. not yet solidly in their prime years): Nyquist, Tatar, Sheahan, Jurco, Andersson, Glendening, Smith, DeKeyser, Lashoff, Ouellet. And we've got Mantha, Pulkkinen, Sproul, et al. on the horizon.


When you look at it that way, and you consider how well this team's done through these first 18 games (23 points, 50 GF, 42 GA, strong possession numbers, top-end PK, six players with ten or more points), I think you have to be pretty happy with what's going on and pretty excited about what's to come.