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#2382159 4/7 GDT : Blues 1 at Red Wings 0

Posted by Dabura on 08 April 2013 - 05:06 AM

A word or two about skill and puck-possession and all that jazz as it pertains to our beloved DRW:

 

- You need a Nick Lidstrom. I mean, he doesn't actually have to be a Nick Lidstrom. He could be, oh, I dunno, Jay Bouwmeester (ha! As if he'd ever be available!) What I'm saying is, if you don't have a good puck-moving defenseman, forget it. You can't kill with skill. You can't possesst with zest.

 

"BUT WHAT'S THAT HAVE TO DO WITH OUR DRW?" you ask? No idea. I just thought it sounded smart.

 

- The problem with being Ultra-Skilled Puck-Possessor Ninja like we've had been since Fedorov et al.? Here are the things at which you, a USPP Ninja, excel:

 

- Skill

- Possessing the puck

- Skating (sort of)

- Looking pretty

- "Crazy moves and s***"

- PP/Enforcing

 

...And here are the things you suck at:

 

- Everything else

 

I've said this a bajillion times before, : we are were good with the puck, when we had it. And that's pretty much it. When was the last time we had a really big, physical team? When was the last time we had a really fast team? When was the last time we had the best goalie in the league, no questions asked?

 

Skill. With the puck. When we had the puck. And the other team didn't have the puck. Because we had the puck. (Ninja.)

 

That's what we've been up to since the mid-90s. That's the secret to our success. Actually, those three championship rosters (excluding '02, because, c'mon) - that was It. That was the Top of the Red Wings Pops. Because it was more than skill. With the puck. When we had the puck. And the other team didn't have the puck. Because we had the puck. We had balls. And teeth. And muscle. (And eyes - and a nose! And ears!!! OH MY GOD - IT'S A FACE!!!!!!!!) We could switch things up if we had to. We could hurt you in multiple ways. We had Larry. Effing. Murphy. BEFORE THE HOT DOGS.

 

But, for the most part, it's been underpants skill --> [ . . . ] --> Profit.

 

And now we can't do it no more. And this is problematic.




#2382158 4/7 GDT : Blues 1 at Red Wings 0

Posted by Dabura on 08 April 2013 - 04:05 AM

I'm glad someone pointed this out.  When you have an abundance of skill players - especially certain American and Swedish defensemen who are experts at getting shots through from the perimeter, driving the net becomes less of a priority.

 

However, when you've lost those players and have replaced them with basically Kronwall and nothing else, driving the net becomes crucial to getting the puck into the scoring zone.  This is one of the main reasons why this team's personnel or strategy needs to be revamped.

 

This is one of the main reasons why we presently suck. It's an identity crisis. It's limbo. It's stuck-in-the-middle-with-you.

 

It's bulls***.

 

Are we a kill-with-skill puck-posession team? I hope not, because we don't have the personnel.

 

Are we a crash-and-bang and grind-it-out kind of team? I hope not, because our top six is soft as silk (and, really, our bottom six ain't so hot either). Which is to say: we don't have the personnel.

 

We are amazing at playing the perimeter in the o-zone. Watch us pass, and pass some more, and hey, how about some more pa--WHOA! A SHOT FROM THE POINT! BY - wait for it - KRONWALL! BET THEY DIDN'T SEE THAT ONE COM--EMERICK: "...and [insert name of some no-name goalie who is making us look stupid] makes the easy save and holds on for the whistle." [Shot of ttly frusterated Filppula. Because, holy. effing. ess. What do we have to do to score against this guy?!?!?!]

 

Of course, this is sort of classic Red Wings. We did this kind of stuff even when we were great. Remember when Babcock's Ducks swept us in the first round? Soft perimeter play, and timely defensive lapses. (Note: I'm not necessarily saying that Wings team was great.) Remember last season? Soft perimeter play, and timely defensive lapses. (You'd think we'd learn. Or something.)

 

Thing is, though, we used to have a s***-ton of skill, talent, moxy, mojo, all that good stuff that can win you a game seven even if you only show up for the last eight minutes of it. A few times we even assembled a - gasp - really, really solid, balanced team. And we wreaked havoc. And Cups were won. And we all rejoiced.

 

But back to the present.

 

I'm so glad Holland has sat on his hands for the past however-many-seasons, and that he seems perfectly content to keep doing so until the end of time. (Because, derp, This Is The Cap Era.) And, each season, people will find a way to ttly justificate it. (Because, derp, This Is The Cap Era.)

 

This Season: "Holland would be a DAMN FOOL to make a move of any kind whatsoever at this point in time!"

Last Season: "Holland would be a DAMN FOOL to make a move of any kind whatsoever at this point in time!"

The Season Before That: "Holland would be a DAMN FOOL to make a move of any kind whatsoever at this point in time!"

The Season Before That : "Holland would be a DAMN FOOL to make a move of any kind whatsoever at this point in time!"

 

To whom much is given, much is expected. Mothereffers.

 

I want the Detroit F****** Red Wings back. Where'd they go? I dunno. But I miss them. And I want them back.

 

(Cue the generic "You're just spoiled! You want a Cup every season - but that's not reality!!!!111oneone" response.)

 

[/TEH ANGERZ]




#2381392 Going forward with what we have

Posted by Dabura on 06 April 2013 - 03:32 PM

I understand what you're saying and share your concerns.  I too think that Smith has been abysmal on defense this year.  I only commented to say that it's sad how far we've fallen when our options come down to speculating on moving a bad defenseman to forward.  But I guess that's the situation we're in until this summer (at the earliest) and I don't see it changing so I guess I'm just going to have to live with it.  That and wonder how the hell it came to this. 

 

Welcome to the club. There's a mini-bar in the corner over there. :sleepy:




#2380840 Fear of the East?

Posted by Dabura on 05 April 2013 - 04:20 PM

We'll need to get bigger, stronger, nastier, more durable. Helm's scaring me a bit. Bert's body is failing him. Sammy is officially more injury-prone than Colaiacovo. Franzen is Franzen.

 

I like our bottom six, actually. And our D seem to be handling themselves pretty well, all things considered.

 

I guess if I'm worried about any component, it's the top six. We really do need a legitimate power-forward.




#2380787 Nyquist thoughts

Posted by Dabura on 05 April 2013 - 02:02 PM

There was one shift, it was recent, against the Avs. I think. If memory serves, we were bumbling around in our own zone. General stupidity and laziness and a touch of sheer incompetence. But then, Glory Be to God, Nyquist got ahold of the puck and, all of three seconds later, he was tearing into the o-zone like some kind of human missile thing. I don't remember what happened after that, but I'll tell you what, I'm generally very cynical, pessimistic about this team, and so it takes a lot for me to go, "Wow." And I went "Wow." It made me realize how slow of foot - and teeth-gnashingly namby pamby - we generally are. It was refreshing. It was pretty awesome.




#2380771 Nyquist thoughts

Posted by Dabura on 05 April 2013 - 01:09 PM

Saying Nyquist isn't really NHL-ready is silly.

 

I think the big problem is...well I'll show you (since I love doing this so much):

 

Brunner

Datsyuk

Filppula

Franzen

Nyquist

Zetterberg

 

All of our high-end players are subtle variations on the same damn player. Practically our entire top six corps - I mean the guys who really do deserve to be in the pool (and I do count Nyquist among them) - is softish, smallish, Euro playmakers.

 

I think of Selanne. Is he really that good (and indeed, maye he is)...or does he benefit a whole lot from having a pack of bulldogs around him, creating space for him, wearing down the opposition for him? I feel Nyquist would do well in a similar situation.

 

So, what I'm saying is: NHL-ready, and potentially lethal...just not in Motown. Maybe.

 

We'll see. (Or we won't.)




#2380761 Concerned - we might not make it in to the playoffs

Posted by Dabura on 05 April 2013 - 12:48 PM

I tend to think it would actually be BETTER in the long run were this team to miss the postseason, the record be damned. Missing the postseason means that heads would actually roll for a change. I think. Maybe.

 

I tend to agree.

 

But, like zombo said, Holland would just blame it on injuries.



You are wrong.  At the mid point of the season last year they were #1 in the entire league.  But that fact doesn't fit your story.  Carry on...

 

And we lost in the first round. In five games. To the Predators.

 

Big picture. We're trending downwards.




#2380108 Nyquist, Tatar, dekeyser

Posted by Dabura on 04 April 2013 - 08:22 AM

Not be That Guy, but...you all realize our "youth movement" is kind of a lie, right?

 

If we aren't decimated by injuries, and if Holland lands Parise or Suter or Salo etc., we remain a heavily veteran team.




#2380089 Holland retirement watch?

Posted by Dabura on 04 April 2013 - 05:21 AM

"We like our team."

 

"We're gonna kick all the tires."

 

"The price wasn't right."

 

"[Insert injured player] is our big deadline acquisition."

 

We need some t-shirts! We could wear them to The Joe in groups - y'know, in honor of Ken's brilliant work and all. :innocent:




#2379576 Official NHL Trade Deadline thread

Posted by Dabura on 03 April 2013 - 02:22 PM

SAMUELSSON BABY!!!!! WOO-HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




#2379561 Official NHL Trade Deadline thread

Posted by Dabura on 03 April 2013 - 02:19 PM

I'm going to be the darkhorse here and not blame this all on Ken Holland like all the other fans. Why? Because I understand that Holland COULD"VE tried to get all he could. What honestly did he have to play with? Ian White? Filp? Great, two players that would be RENTALS.

 

And whose fault is that?




#2379452 Official NHL Trade Deadline thread

Posted by Dabura on 03 April 2013 - 01:45 PM

As much as I want him to make an impact trade... Kenny is doing it right.

 

You don't make a trade just to make a trade... If he feels like he is being fleeced, don't do it.

 

Kenny doesn't have 4 cups under his belt as a GM for being stupid.

 

I'm as frustrated as the next, but in a shortened season where we are down, why make a move when you don't have to.

 

We've been essentially standing pat for how long now? At what point does this become laziness, or worse? What are the odds that we get to this summer...and stand pat? And then get to the next trade deadline...and stand pat? And then get to next summer...and stand pat? And then....

 

And for how long do we ride the 4 Cups? And how many of those were solidly, squarely, undeniably, unequivocally Holland's?

 

Holland just doesn't seem hungry to win. He doesn't seem to want to do everything in his power to make this team as competitive as possible. It seems like it's more a "Well, if something falls in my lap, great. But it has to fall in my lap" M.O.

 

Hurray for complacency!




#2379414 Official NHL Trade Deadline thread

Posted by Dabura on 03 April 2013 - 01:38 PM

I'm starting to think Holland is *more than ok* with not making the playoffs.




#2379204 Could Kenny be working on something HUGE?

Posted by Dabura on 03 April 2013 - 10:04 AM

What irritates me the most is that standing pat is fine if you've got a good team, but when your team has been woefully inadequate for the last four years, how do you justify doing nothing?  Holland says "we like our team".  I respond...why?  They've continuously gotten worse and proved nothing when it matters. 

 

What's to like?  They aren't as bad as Calgary or Columbus? 

 

Aren't we supposed to aim a little higher than that in "Hockeytown"?

 

I'm with ya, Kip.

 

I get that we're not really in a position to wheel and deal. What vexes me is that we're in this spot to begin with. It feels like we do nothing, and we say our hands are tied, and that goes back to us having said the same thing six months prior - but ***we don't talk about that***...., and we do some more of nothing, and things get worse, but what can we do? Our hands are tied. We have to see what this group can do! And on and on, nothing new under the sun, etc. etc. etc.




#2379190 An interesting point about our apparent deadline strategy

Posted by Dabura on 03 April 2013 - 09:51 AM

With the team we have, I'd take Parise over Franzen just about any day of the week. Guy's a mad-dog puck-hound. Very intense forechecker, very responsible defensively. Great leader.