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#2325534 12-13 Biggest Surprise

Posted by Dabura on 16 August 2012 - 03:25 PM

Franzen - Datsyuk - Brunner
Filppula - Zetterberg - Samuelsson
Bertuzzi - Helm - Cleary
Miller - Abdelkader - Tootoo/Eaves
Eaves/Tootoo, Nyquist


#2325419 Our current forwards.

Posted by Dabura on 15 August 2012 - 09:38 PM

Hope for a trade all you want fellas, but I wouldn't hold your breath. Cleary, Bert, and Sammy all have NTC's. Miller, Eaves, Abby, Emmerton, and Mursak have little to no value on their own. Datsyuk and Zetterberg aren't going anywhere. Which leaves Flip, Nyquist, Franzen, and Brunner. Only two of them are proven enough to be center pieces in trades as the other two haven't proven anything at the NHL level, and losing a top six from an already depleted top six really doesn't make any sense unless we're getting one back.

Frustrating but true, friend. Frustrating but true.

Still, I'd part with Franzen or Flip if it meant landing a first-line/top-pairing stud.

#2325264 Holland losing his moxie? Is Detroit slipping as UFA destination?

Posted by Dabura on 14 August 2012 - 09:31 PM

The "Youth Movement" is lol on many levels. For starters: there is no youth movement, just a couple younger guys in the top-6 (Brunner, Nyquist) and Smith on the third-pairing. I guess you could say that's a youth movement by our standards. And hey, who knows, maybe Tatar, Sheahan et al. will see NHL ice. But we added Sammy and Tootoo, and Holland was hard for Doan, etc. That, to me, doesn't scream "Youth Movement!" Then there's Kenny's comments about the importance of building from within. Drafting well, cultivating your young talent - that's how we've got to do it these days. To which I say: 1) that's always been the case (not with us, but generally for everyone else), and 2) you're saying this while nearly matching Minnesota's bid for Suter and chasing after Nash and Doan and a thousand other free-agents and giving up a first-round pick for Quincey? (Not that I object to his having pursued free agents. And, turns out we need Quincey now.) I could go on.

#2324509 Our current forwards.

Posted by Dabura on 09 August 2012 - 06:32 PM

Tootoo has more than heart. He's a tough customer, very hard hitter. "Yeah, but if only he were a jawbreaker." Really? Come on, yo.

#2324453 Our current forwards.

Posted by Dabura on 09 August 2012 - 02:03 PM

I love the Tootoo signing. He'll crash, he'll bang, he's pester, he'll piss off. He'll stand up for his team mates. He'll fight. How many other guys like that do we have?

#2323989 Our current forwards.

Posted by Dabura on 06 August 2012 - 11:40 AM

Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Brunner
Nyquist - Filppula - Samuelsson
Franzen - Helm - Cleary
Bertuzzi - Abdelkader - Tootoo

#2323891 Doan staying in PHX 4 yrs $21.2 mill

Posted by Dabura on 05 August 2012 - 12:18 PM

We have Samuelsson. We're fine.


#2323150 Doan staying in PHX 4 yrs $21.2 mill

Posted by Dabura on 31 July 2012 - 07:37 AM

We don't like old guys on the Wings, never have.

#2323028 Holland losing his moxie? Is Detroit slipping as UFA destination?

Posted by Dabura on 30 July 2012 - 01:41 PM

Not Holland's fault for no "big names" coming to Detroit since Hossa. People are smoking crack or something damn. This thread bugs me too. lol

You know what bugs me? This mentality that Holland is, essentially, infallible, and that anyone who criticizes him and/or the Wings at large is smoking crack, or spoiled, or insane, etc. I like Holland as much as the next guy. No, really, I do. But, objectively? We're in a hole. A big one. And if there's anyone to blame, it's Holland. Now, in saying that, am I calling for Holland's head? No. Am I saying the sky is falling? No. Am I "hating" this team and being a "fairweather fan"? No. Am I disregarding his career accomplishments? No. Am I saying he's anything less than the best GM in the league? No. I'm saying he has s*** the bed, and it bothers me. One of the main reasons why it bothers me is that I do like Holland as much as the next guy, and I do respect and appreciate him and the work he has done (and does on a mostly daily basis). So, for me to look at where things are now and try to reconcile that with "Best GM Ever, Man With The Plan"...it's troubling. I'm all for cutting him slack, and believing in a Master Plan which subsumes all of these smaller "failures." But at the same time - GMing 101, man! We've had trouble scoring in the postseason for how long? Our bottom-6 has been too small and short on secondary scoring threats for how long? Our D - everyone knew Stuart would be leaving and that Nick would be gone any offseason now, very possibly even this offseason. So where are the moves? Where are the steps taken to rectify, or at least seriously address, (or hell, even just acknowledge), these problems? Why is Kyle Quincey our one new-blood on the back end? Why is Ian White our #2 defenseman? Why is our top-6 literally all "skilled" Euros, when our whole problem with scoring in the postseason is we're easily pushed out to the perimeter in the offensive zone (as we've seen happen in the postseason about 90 times)? The top-6 is a real sore point for me. We need new ingredients in the top-6, new dimensions, new looks we can throw, new ways we can hurt. What we've added this offseason is a retread who may not even be a regular in the top-6, a guy who's never played a single game in the NHL, and Nyquist. And we're calling it a Youth Movement - when, in fact, it's really more of a "s***, what else can we do?" indirect admission of failure. Holland is great largely because he's always found a way to keep us from falling into exactly this sort of black hole of "necessary mediocrity" (i.e. having only 2-3 trade assets, losing luster as a FA destination, etc.) What do we do if we lose three key players to injury and they're out all at the same time? We realize this forward "depth" people keep bragging about is really more a matter of quantity than one of quality.


#2323011 Holland losing his moxie? Is Detroit slipping as UFA destination?

Posted by Dabura on 30 July 2012 - 12:49 PM

However what would you guys have had Holland do?

It should never have gotten to this point.

#2322661 claude giroux had 2 wrist surgeries this off season

Posted by Dabura on 28 July 2012 - 02:50 PM

On the one hand: f*** Crosby.

On the other hand: welcome to the NHL, Claude.

He's one of my favorite players. I hope this doesn't screw with his game and career.

#2322573 Semin signs one year, $7m deal with Carolina

Posted by Dabura on 27 July 2012 - 09:46 PM

Our roster sucks but Semin makes us a contender?

Yeah, something is way too high...

Did I say Semin makes us a contender? No. In fact, earlier today I said Semin shouldn't be the highest paid player on any team - and I stand by that. Thanks for playing, though.

#2322429 Bottom Six

Posted by Dabura on 27 July 2012 - 09:56 AM

I know we have Helm slotted as 3rd/4th line but I would expect him to have a chance to prove himself on the 2nd line at some point.

I'd love to see what Helm could do on the second line. I've been meaning to say so. Thanks!

#2322293 Doan staying in PHX 4 yrs $21.2 mill

Posted by Dabura on 26 July 2012 - 07:00 PM

Looks like our roster is set!

It's going to be an interesting season.

I'm almost hoping for a lockout. :paperbag3:

#2322176 Semin signs one year, $7m deal with Carolina

Posted by Dabura on 26 July 2012 - 02:51 PM

I need an explanation out of this. What was he thinking?

We're a hard-nosed, hard-working team now. We crash, we bang, we muck, we drive. No room for soft, lazy, underachieving Euros.