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#2321161 Holland losing his moxie? Is Detroit slipping as UFA destination?

Posted by Dabura on 23 July 2012 - 12:43 PM

Ok, so what would you have done? Keep in mind, Suter and Parise wanted to play together, and Parise is from Minnesota, and Columbus and Nashville don't want to trade with us. Would you really overpay for Doan or Semin when we have some young forwards ready to step in and play? Why not just see what we have this season, then add to it.

I agree we need to add someone on the blueline, but if Suter would rather join Parise in Minnesota and Nashille didn't want to trade us Weber, you would you add? And how would you add?

I think it's clear that drafting and developing players is the way to go now. The way the FA market is under the current CBA, it's really not worth getting locked into 13 year deals, and making players that may not even be the best guys on your team your highest paid.

Instead of what I would've done, how about what I'd like to see? And that is: a more balanced, well-rounded, "dynamic" team - one that can, of course, play the puck-possession game, but can also change things up if that system falters.

We have skill. With the puck. When we have the puck. Beyond that, we're vanilla. We're not big. We're not physical. We're not nasty. We're not fast. We're not young. We can't punish on the forecheck. We can't play lockdown D. Our goalie is good, but we can't expect him to win games for us. Our special teams aren't spectacular.

All of which is to say: disrupt our system, and we fall apart. We have no fallback plan, no other looks we can throw the opposition. No other hats to wear.

"You say it like it's so simple, disrupting our system."

It is. Take away our time and space. Rush us. Take the body to us, hitting a man at every opportunity. Crash, bang, punish, wear down. Block shots. Box us out to the tops of the circles when we're on the forecheck. Shut down Datsyuk (he'll be battling an injury that has him at 75%, at best), shut down Zetterberg (ditto. Moreover, he's got a bad back; he can only take so much punishment.)

We've seen it done before. We saw it done again just a few months ago.

"We lost because of some unlucky bounces. Sometimes the puck luck just isn't there."

Look at the final scores of each game. It was a low-scoring, grinding, D-centric series. That's not us, that's not the game we like to play. We were forced to play the Predators' game. Defeat was, in retrospect, pretty much guaranteed - because, again: throw a wrench in our system and everything goes to s***.

We need new dimensions, new ingredients, new possibilities. Take our top-6, for example - it's basically six different versions of the same player. How about a power-forward, a guy who will crash and bang and drive to the net, a guy who won't be boxed out to the perimeter? (Nash, Ryan, Doan, Hartnell, Lucic, et al.)

We need a shot in the arm, new bood. Something to be excited about.

We need to sign big UFAs and/or trade.

Drafting? Unless we plan on tanking (or trading), we're not drafting high. And while, yes, we've found some gems in later rounds, that was when we were ahead of the curve. Now every team looks at Europe, digs for diamonds.


#2321126 Holland losing his moxie? Is Detroit slipping as UFA destination?

Posted by Dabura on 23 July 2012 - 10:41 AM

This isn't a panic thread. Why does anything critical or objective or just non-"Holland can do no wrong" have to be panicking or "hating"?

#2321120 Holland losing his moxie? Is Detroit slipping as UFA destination?

Posted by Dabura on 23 July 2012 - 09:58 AM

I love this "even if we do nothing, we're fine" attitude. Stupid, arrogant.

#2321006 Flyers sign Weber to offer sheet: 14y/$110m ($56m 1st 4yrs)

Posted by Dabura on 22 July 2012 - 05:31 PM

Odd, I didn't know that under the current CBA, you had to ask for permission before you presented an offer sheet lol.


Ken Holland's Balls


#2321003 Holland losing his moxie? Is Detroit slipping as UFA destination?

Posted by Dabura on 22 July 2012 - 05:24 PM

I like our team. We kicked the tires. Darren Helm is our big acquisition; remember, he wasn't available to us when we faced the Predators. We have to think long-term, big picture. We can't just go out and add a couple big names, that's the reality of the cap era and parity. We only have so much spending money. Danny Cleary. Certainly we have gotten bigger, tougher, younger, faster - and there's still a whole lot of time left and a wealth of options. The CBA means we're not going to see any more big deals. (Shae Weber does not exist; he is a hoax.) We like to think of our power play as our enforcer. Youth. You can't win the Cup ever year.

#2320970 Holland Content with Current Roster

Posted by Dabura on 22 July 2012 - 11:53 AM

We couldn't score against Nashville. Our bottom-6 blew on every front.

We've added Samuelsson, Tootoo, Brunner.

If Holland is content with our forward unit, he is a lousy bum.

#2320786 Semin

Posted by Dabura on 20 July 2012 - 05:47 PM

Soft, lazy, underachieving, bloated sense of self-worth, all offense, ultra-streaky....

#2320724 Bobby Ryan

Posted by Dabura on 20 July 2012 - 01:31 PM

Remember - having Ryan would, I have to think, only help our chances re: landing Perry and/or Getzlaff.

Imagine a top-6 with Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Ryan, Getzlaff/Perry, and Doan. :cheesy:


#2320512 Holland Content with Current Roster

Posted by Dabura on 19 July 2012 - 06:57 PM

Things don't change soon, St Louis and Chicago will be ahead in the standings

Shhhh, you're being realistic.

Re: GMR,

I'm reminded of that scene in Breaking Bad. "JUST GROW SOME F****** BALLS!!!"

#2320495 Flyers sign Weber to offer sheet: 14y/$110m ($56m 1st 4yrs)

Posted by Dabura on 19 July 2012 - 06:11 PM

I like our team. The offseason is still very young, and we have a lot of options.


#2319790 Red Wings re-sign Quincey: 2-years, $7.55m total, $3.775/yr

Posted by Dabura on 18 July 2012 - 01:33 PM


#2319763 Red Wings make "helluva" offer for Nash, no response

Posted by Dabura on 18 July 2012 - 12:13 PM

Bring on Bobby Ryan.

#2319295 The biggest difference in the Nashville series

Posted by Dabura on 15 July 2012 - 01:11 PM

They had a few lucky bounces too and we didn't but if Howard was as good as Rinne and Rinne as good as Howard we probably would have swept the series


Rinne's not even all that much better than Howard. He's the size of an elephant, and we were shooting from the perimeter.

#2319293 Holland Content with Current Roster

Posted by Dabura on 15 July 2012 - 01:04 PM

I would like to think Semin paired with dats would solve the offensive concerns but if holland doesn't make a move on him I can understand why due to his baggage.

I'm sorry to be a broken record, but - Semin would not go a long way in helping. He's not physical; you won't see him mucking it up in the corners or crashing the crease. He's not D-minded; you won't see him busting his balls on the backcheck - and that's if you see him backcheck at all. He's not really high-intensity. His work ethic, his commmitment are highly questionable. On being boxed out by a big, physial, defense-oriented team in their zone, he, like all of our current "scorers," will settle for low-percentage perimeter shots. He might have more success with this than our current guys; he has a blistering shot. But really, it'd be more of the same. Our top-6 needs some new ingredients, a new dimension or two or three or four.

#2319258 Red Wings Rebuilding and Adapting to Maintain Dominance

Posted by Dabura on 15 July 2012 - 10:33 AM

Ryan or Nash (for the record, I'd much prefer Ryan) would probably cost something like Filppula/Franzen + Nyquist + a good prospect + a 1st-round pick. We'd be losing a lot, yes, but you have to give a lot to gain a lot - and we would be gaining a lot.

Like I said, our top-6 needs to be more dynamic, more dangerous. As things currently stand, we are far from deadly - because we can be completely shut down. Any scoring unit that can be snuffed out like ours was against the Preds is not going to win the Stanley Cup - and the goal is the Cup, anything short of it being a disappointing failure for this great organization. Franzen scored all of one goal, and it was a total fluke. He was uninspired, undisciplined. Filppula scored zero goals and was barely noticeable, let alone dangerous. I don't care about his regular-season stats, they mean jack - especially if he doesn't produce in the playoffs.

Are Nash and Ryan proven playoff performers? No. Do I think Flip is a playoff bust? No. Do I think we desperately need a power-forward? Yes. Do I think adding one (or two, if you count Doan) power-forwards would make us more formidable, even though we'd be giving up Flip or Franzen? Yes.

Players like Filppula are rare. Players like Bobby Ryan are just as rare, if not more so. We can only acquire a player like Ryan via free agency or a trade. Flip, we may have one or two younger hims waiting in the wings (no pun intended), and I don't think he's so special that we'll never be able to draft another player like him. Moreover, we have Datsyuk and Zetterberg, who are - while, yes, older - basically better versions of him.

It is, I think, a low-risk, high-reward trade (assuming it's more or less like the package I put forward at the beginning of this post).