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#2319252 Red Wings Rebuilding and Adapting to Maintain Dominance

Posted by Dabura on 15 July 2012 - 09:50 AM

Our top-6 was boxed out to the perimeter in the o-zone. Our secondary scoring dried up. Our bottom-6 was a joke. We need a shot in the arm, some new looks our top-6 can throw the opposition. We need a guy who's not going to get boxed out to the perimeter and be content to take bottom-basement-percentage shots from the tops of the circles against a physically huge, world-class goalie like Rinne (though I do think he's not a little overrated). We need to get a little bigger, a little stronger, a little faster, a little nastier.

Obviously we need more goals, but I'm not sure adding a sniper like Semin is really the answer. He'd be more than content to take shots from outside the box; he wouldn't really give us a new dimension. We'd still be forced to play the Predators' game. A guy like Bobby Ryan or Rick Nash (pipe dream) or Corey Perry (pipe dream) or Milan Lucic (pipe dream) will do what no one in our top-6 does (at least, not consistently): break through the box, drive to the net, crash and bang in the corners - cause problems. Oh yeah - and score. And in doing so, he'd free up things a bit, give our skilled guys more time and space. That, in turn, would give us a chance to take over with our style of game. At the very least, it'd disrupt the opposition's system.

So let me guess.. We can trade Eaves for Rick Nash, Miller for Ryan and we will be sick hey??? Yeah that will work out good.

To bad for either Nash or Ryan we will lose more than return.. How many goals would u expect Nash to score per playoff game? Whatever number you figure that will make us win?

You want to give up Filpulla, Helm and a top prospect? Nash will make up for all that? Make us a much better team?

Calm your ass down, buddy. I'll answer all your burning questions.

#2319177 Six teams on Nash's trade "list", none Canadian

Posted by Dabura on 14 July 2012 - 05:55 PM

I have decided this thread is cruel. Because, come on. We are not landing Rick Nash.

#2319174 Homer

Posted by Dabura on 14 July 2012 - 05:50 PM

He did score in the Preds series.

#2319007 Holland Content with Current Roster

Posted by Dabura on 13 July 2012 - 04:08 PM

Finally, I've NEVER suggested getting rid of Holland, I've simply said that there were things that could have happened over the last three years that would have left our defense in better shape than it's in. Holland missed out (or opted out) of those situations, which doesn't mean he should be fired, but I don't know why suggesting Holland should have done something different when the opportunity clearly presented itself is such anathema with some people around here. He's a great GM, but it's not like the guy can't make mistakes once in a while. And when he does, and some of us choose to discuss it, I don't see why we're considered treasonous by some, or worse accused of wanting him replaced (which neither I nor Esteef ever suggested).

Where have you been all my life?

#2319005 Holland Content with Current Roster

Posted by Dabura on 13 July 2012 - 04:03 PM

Trade for Ryan now, use him to seduce one (or both?!?!?!?) of Perry and Getzlaf to sign here next summer.

#2318512 Holland Content with Current Roster

Posted by Dabura on 12 July 2012 - 09:01 AM

Why wouldn't he be content? We got our top-6 goal-scoring machine and our top-4 rock. We're solid and set re: secondary scoring. Our bottom-6 looks to be much bigger, tougher, younger, faster - altogether much harder to play against.


#2318171 Six teams on Nash's trade "list", none Canadian

Posted by Dabura on 11 July 2012 - 11:08 AM

Based on? Ryan > Semin. Ryan <<< Semin, Filppula, Mursak, Tatar, 2nd (one recent suggestion)

Semin can score. When he feels compelled to.
That's it.
He's lazy, underachieving, soft, plays weak-at-best D, etc.

Ryan is good for at least 30 goals, guaranteed (barring injury). He's a physical power-forward. He hits. He plays a good two-way game. He blocks shots. He's got great hands. He's 25.

Every other team in the NHL has the Wings' top-sixers figured out (or, at least, they know in theory what you need to do to shut them down). Box them out to the perimeter, rush and rattle them, take away their time and space, outmuscle them. We need a guy (or two) who's going to help fix that by giving our top-6 a new dimension (or two). Semin would be content to take shots from the perimeter, just like all our current "scorers." True, he's got a great shot, but I'd prefer a guy who'll bulldoze through the front door instead of slinging pebbles at the windows.

I like Flip. But I'm not sure why so many here would sooner sacrifice their first-born child to Satan than see Flip traded.

"Crosby, Malkin, and Eric Staal for Franzen - ok. But only if it's Franzen. If they're asking for Filppula - forget it. He is a wing for life. He has [glittertext]Alternate Captain Potential[/glittertext]."

I'm not trying to get down on the guy. It's just, Filppula + a couple prospects + a pick is absolutely worth it for Bobby Ryan (provided Smith isn't one of the prospects. Though even then I'd at least consider it.)

#2318101 Six teams on Nash's trade "list", none Canadian

Posted by Dabura on 11 July 2012 - 08:36 AM

Thanks, that what I thought.

Wonder if Kenny's looked into Lucic. He's not officially on the block, but, like Ryan, his name has popped up now and then and here and there over the last couple of years.

#2318066 Six teams on Nash's trade "list", none Canadian

Posted by Dabura on 11 July 2012 - 06:05 AM


^^^ That.

#2318063 Six teams on Nash's trade "list", none Canadian

Posted by Dabura on 11 July 2012 - 05:52 AM

Bobby Ryan plz.

#2316006 Quincey files for arbitration

Posted by Dabura on 05 July 2012 - 06:21 PM

We need him.

#2315218 Holland comments on Suter & Parise going to Wild

Posted by Dabura on 04 July 2012 - 07:58 PM

How do you know he didn't pursue other options before trade deadline or even before that? Remember, Holland didn't have a lot of cap room (or trade bait) to appeal a good trade.

Isn't that the idea, though? That he could've/should've anticipated the situation?

I'm not bagging on him, but...I don't see the issue with asking what's up with us being in this D hole. I think he's great at his job. Hell, he's amazing, straight up. So what gives?

What gives is, I think, he slipped up a bit.

#2315070 We Need to Trade

Posted by Dabura on 04 July 2012 - 05:23 PM

2002 was kind of a special situation, don't you think?

#2314979 Has the Detroit diamond lost it's shine?

Posted by Dabura on 04 July 2012 - 03:57 PM

We kicked the tires. I like our team. Our power play is our enforcer.

#2314750 Ryan Suter agrees to 13-year, $98-mil deal with Wild

Posted by Dabura on 04 July 2012 - 01:08 PM

Holland is very good at making adjustments, but at times feels like he's too conservative, trying to milk yet another year out of the puck-possession skilled Wings. When Schneider leaves, he gets a very similar d-man in Rafalski and keeps things going.

The Wings team have been like a very fast sportscar that is getting up in years and Holland has been trying to make little tweaks and patches to keep it running another year. The problem is that it's just not faster than other cars anymore and it just dropped the transmission this offseason.

Holland has shown himself as a great GM when it comes to adjustments, but maybe not a great rebuilder.

I think that's about right.

Like I said a couple hours ago, this position he's in right now is, I think, sort of his "sweet spot." There's a bit of a crisis now, and in some ways it doesn't look too good for the Wings this season. It's spots like this where he pulls a rabbit or two from his hat and people go, "Wow, I had all but written off the Wings. That Ken Holland, he's a crafty one."

Some good news would be nice right about now. I need to be a happy drunk this evening.