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#2532559 'District Detroit': Red Wings' New Arena Details Released

Posted by Dabura on 19 July 2014 - 02:09 PM

It'll be called The Octopus's Garden and shaped like Ringo's head.

#2532531 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by Dabura on 19 July 2014 - 01:52 AM

i would like a 1 million $ bonus for showing up to work for 10 days too


Ha! Well said.


To me, it says Holland knows Cleary is done but feels *just awful* about *cheating* Cleary out of that *big contract* he was *guaranteed* by the Flyers and is now simply trying to give the man money.

#2532508 Babcock Interview on 105.1 this morning

Posted by Dabura on 18 July 2014 - 05:42 PM

I'd put Mike Babcock at #1 and Darryl Sutter at #2 and "Coach Q" at #170. All Babcock does is achieve, Sutter is a mad genius, and Q has a mustache.

#2532497 Babcock Interview on 105.1 this morning

Posted by Dabura on 18 July 2014 - 02:28 PM

"I think we need to let our young people grow. We signed enough players to buy our kids time in the minors. We have four d-men who are going to play here eventually and probably be upgrades on our roster. How much time do they need? We don’t know the answer. [ . . . . ] I didn’t like us in the playoffs last year against Boston, but we like what we have coming. And we like our kids. So the biggest thing is not to rush it. We could really use some puck-moving D. Well, we just happen to have some puck-moving D in the minors. Big guys that can skate. When are they ready? We’re sure not going to rush them, but if they’re capable of taking jobs they’re getting the jobs." - Babcock, from the interview


Let's be honest - the Wings aren't in really bad shape. We've spent the past few seasons "retooling" in the sense that we've kept our core intact and kept the streak alive while also building up a very impressive stable of very promising young players like Nyquist and DeKeyser and Mantha and Mrazek and Sproul and Ouellet and Jurco and Athanasiou. The "youth movement" we've been waiting for is already happening; it's a slow drip rather than one great big swell. We're not rebuilding, not looking to tear everything down and ice a roster with 20 kids. We want what every Cup contender boasts these days: quality veteran leadership (with at least two elite franchise players at the top of the totem pole) and a small army of young studs on early, affordable contracts. And we're in a position to have that very soon.


I hate the Quincey and Cleary re-signings. I hated that we brought back Samuelsson. I hated that Nyquist was stuck in Grand Rapids at the start of last season and that Jurco's going to get the same treatment this coming season. But, all things considered, this stuff isn't a big deal. What's important is that we're steadily building up to that kind of roster that can truly compete for the Cup. Again, I think that roster is within reach, we just have to be patient and not do anything really, genuinely, hugely, dangerously stupid. For example, as much as I want a Mike Green on this team, I do feel that moving, say, Nyquist for him would be really, genuinely, hugely, dangerously stupid, or at least close to it. Even if he were to have a great season, do you suppose he re-ups with us? I wouldn't be surprised if he were to re-sign with the Caps, giving them both Nyquist and Green.


But I digress. Point is, it's going to be ok, maybe. I'm generally extremely cynical about the state of the Wings, but if I'm being objective, I like us, and I think we're only going to get better over the next two or three years. Mantha will save us all.

#2532438 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by Dabura on 18 July 2014 - 12:57 AM

That piece I linked to also mentions Tatar, and that he's a possession monster. That's what makes him so valuable - the kid lives to own the puck and drive the attack and make stuff happen. Granted, he faced relatively weak competition and sheltered usage for a high-end forward (and probably for good reason, i.e. his shortcomings on the D side of the puck), but, if we're going to be the kind of team I think we want to be, one that owns the puck and is always on the attack, then Tatar's golden. I don't believe he's going to be a prissy, entitled holdout, but even if negotations go that way, he's worth slightly overpaying. If we weren't struggling to attract top-end talent, it might be a different story.

#2532436 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by Dabura on 18 July 2014 - 12:36 AM

DeKeyser is a poor mans Stuart right now. We all hope develops into something even better. But that's what he is right now


That's a little harsh. Stuart was good for us, but he played for some powerhouse versions of our roster that would've made almost anyone in the 4D spot look good. He was a heavy hitter, but he definitely had his faults and limitations in terms of his all-around ability. DeKeyser's still very young for a top-four defenseman, and he spent most of last season paired with Quincey. He hasn't proven a ton, and yet, he has. Pretty good puck mover, good frame, good mobility, good head for the game, reads plays exceptionally well, has a slightly Lidstrom-esque sense of how to use his body efficiently and effectively - he's a top-four defenseman who plays smart, steady, elegant hockey, and he's only going to get better. We're very lucky (or, if you prefer, fortunate) to have landed him.


The biggest knock on DeKeyser is, I suppose, his possession numbers. This piece gives our D corp's Corsi numbers, which reveal that Brendan Smith is actually a pretty strong possession player. Of course, DeKeyser was always facing pretty tough matchups, pretty tough usage, and, again, he was stuck with Quincey. I think if DeKeyser can get a better partner and Smith can get some power play time and the confidence boost that'd come with the point production, that alone would do wonders for our blue line.

#2532168 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by Dabura on 15 July 2014 - 03:31 PM

Worth a read.

#2532125 Interesting Fan Vote Posed by NHL on NBC Twitter

Posted by Dabura on 15 July 2014 - 09:36 AM


#2531968 Holland Wiki page edited

Posted by Dabura on 13 July 2014 - 08:25 PM

Niskanen would have been instantly this teams best defenseman so yeah what a horrible contract for a 27 old kid.


Kronwall's better than Niskanen. I agree with your main point, though.

#2531472 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by Dabura on 11 July 2014 - 06:26 AM

There's really nothing to defend here. It's not the end of the world, true, but Cleary doesn't need defending or "Can you really blame him for ___"ing, and certainly Holland doesn't need any more people slobbering over his inflated legacy and ego. The guy didn't build the '97 team (wasn't even GM), didn't build the '98 team, bought the '02 team (though, credit where it's due), and miiiiiight have been the chief architect of the '08 team (but Bowman and Nill were still around and pieces from previous teams - e.g. '97 - were still on the roster). Holland's really done nothing recently to prove that he's a top GM. We could praise the fact that he doesn't make moves for the sake of making moves, but, actually, he does. We could say some quality kids were drafted by his regime, but I give the bulk of the credit to the scouting and development people.


Ken Holland is a myth. I don't want that to be true. I want to believe he's a genius and that he's 300 steps ahead of everyone. But, really, he just re-signs guys he knows and keeps the kids down as long as possible, hoping it all adds up to another postseason appearance. That's The Ken Holland Plan.

#2531470 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by Dabura on 11 July 2014 - 06:10 AM

We should start a drinking game.  Every time Cleary falls down without being pushed or touched, we take a drink.


That's already a game. I invented it. I almost regret doing so, because it could end up killing someone this season.

#2530797 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by Dabura on 09 July 2014 - 12:16 PM


We absolutely, positively, needed a top six center a year ago too.  We got one, for a cost that wasn't worth it, and the move did nothing to help the team.  We need to be wary about how far we're willing to go to fill a need.


I think Mike Green could help.  But I'd be wary about giving too much for him.  Because there's a thin line between need and want.  The Wings have managed quite well without a right shooting PP quarterback in the past, and if the cost is too high they need to be willing to do so again.  Missing out on FA has begun to turn the quest for a right defenseman into something messianic, and that worries me more than spending another down year letting the kids develop.  Hell we've got people clambering for Jurco and/or Tatar to get traded for an expiring contract because we need it so bad.  As if we don't need forwards with size, tenacity, and goal scoring potential, given that our current ones are getting old and injury prone.


I've been over this. We need a Mike Green, period. It's not a flavor of the month situation. It's not a grass is greener situation. Our blue line is broken and that's why we've been stumbling for the past several years. We fix our blue line, we score more. We get a forward with size and tenacity, we stil have a fundamental, systemic problem that's going to hold us back against the better teams in the league.


We're missing Lidstrom and Rafalski far more than we're missing Franzen in his prime and Hossa.

#2530395 What's best for Mantha?

Posted by Dabura on 07 July 2014 - 12:09 PM

If Dan Daniel Danny Cleary returns and Anthony Mantha starts the season in GR, the whole world can go get bent.

#2530392 Dont Jump Yet...

Posted by Dabura on 07 July 2014 - 11:41 AM

I would look forward to next season if we could get at least one single upgrade to our defense, without it we won't stand a chance again.


Y'know, I've been pushing this line of thought lately, but, as with many of the things I post here, I'm not sure I fully believe it. (Yes, I actually just said that.) Like, when we say we won't stand a chance, what do we actually mean? Won't stand a chance against an elite team in a best of seven? OK, sure. But how many elite teams are there in the East? One? True, we haven't done jack in the playoffs in years, but look at who we've faced since '09: a couple really good Sharks teams, a really good Ducks team, a really good Blackhawks team, and a really good Bruins team. True, this current roster might be the shakiest Wings team we've seen in ages, but I like its chances against any Eastern Conference team not named the Bruins or Islanders.


We barely made the dance this past season, but it wasn't necessarily because we're just that bad. If we stay relatively healthy, if Weiss contributes, if Howard comes anywhere close to earning his ridiculous contract, if we don't piss away leads, if we don't suck mercilessly at the shootout, if we don't suck mercilessly at home, if Smith keeps his head out of his ass, if Quincey doesn't singlehandedly cost us twelve points in the standings, if our power play isn't totally impotent, if one of the rookie defensemen can give us something we've been lacking on the back end, if Mantha can chip in, if Cleary doesn't return - if any one or two of those things can happen, it'll be huge for us.


I want to believe we can do some damage this season. I have to belive it.

#2530165 Dont Jump Yet...

Posted by Dabura on 05 July 2014 - 08:52 PM

The point is we lost. I don't care if it's 7 games against Chi or 5 against Bos, a loss is a loss. Saying it was close or saying we got crushed are both stupid. Many thigs could have gone differently.


You're smarter than this.


Understanding the hows and whys behind the final outcomes is everything.