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#2619329 Things you would like to see for 2015-16 Season

Posted by Dabura on 06 July 2015 - 10:13 PM

The Wings just signed Green to do that. DeKeyser is probably going to produce similar numbers offensively to Franson too and he's competent defensively. There's really no room or need for Franson anymore. I wouldn't move Quincey or Smith to get Franson on a bloated deal.


I'm not saying we should sign Franson. You asked what people see in Franson and you said he's basically a right-shooting Quincey. What people see in Franson, when you get right down to it, is that he's a high-end offensive defenseman. Quincey is not a high-end offensive defenseman.


Here's the longer version.


Franson turns 28 in a month. He's 6'5". He shoots right (and shoots well). He has good offensive instincts and offensive ability. He's a good puck mover. He's an asset on the power play. He's a top-four offensive defenseman who could, in theory, be one half of an elite team's top pairing. For the most part, he hasn't played for especially talented teams, which makes his consistently good point production that much more impressive and, by logical extension, begs the question: Have we only seen the tip of the iceberg? If you put him on the right team and in a role that really makes sense for him and the team, you might very well get an all-star defenseman.


Between Franson and Quincey, Quincey might be the better defender, i.e. Quincey's play without the puck might be better than Franson's play without the puck. But Quincey, like Franson, does make his fair share of stupid mistakes. And Quincey, like Franson, isn't a great skater. One could argue Quincey is Franson without the offensive ability (e.g. puck movement) and scoring prowess.


Quincey was solid for us last season, but it's worth pointing out that he was paired with DeKeyser, who's a stud. From Winging It In Motown:


This past season, among the 108 defensemen who played at least 1000 5v5 minutes, DeKeyser finished 3rd in shot attempts against/60 minutes, 2nd in scoring chances against/60 minutes, and 10th in high-danger scoring chances/60 minutes.




I wouldn't mind Franson at the right price. Yes, we just added a scoring defenseman in Mike Green, but I'd like to see us add one more top-four defenseman who can put up points. Green gets us into the playoffs and maybe into the second round. Green and Byfuglien gets us one of the better D groups in the league and a real shot at the Cup.

#2619212 Landon Ferraro re-signs with a 1 year deal

Posted by Dabura on 06 July 2015 - 12:01 PM

"Lando" won me over in the playoffs. His skating alone makes him a valuable asset.


Yes, it’s taken him a very long time just to become a fourth-line winger (and even then, he's not guaranteed a spot on the roster), but that doesn’t necessarily mean he’s a fringe NHLer. Maybe he’s just a late bloomer.


Look at Glendening. He made his NHL debut at 24 years old. (Ferraro turns 24 next month.) This time last summer, he was 25. He’d scored one goal in 56 regular season games. Babcock loved him, but most Wings fans considered him an experiment that was doomed to fail. What a difference a year makes! amirite???


I feel Ferraro is another Glendening. I think he deserves the chance we gave Glendening. Those two and Miller were very good together against the Lightning, and I wouldn’t mind seeing what that line could do in a full season.


Drewbacca - Luke - Lando. It's meant to be.

#2619088 Things you would like to see for 2015-16 Season

Posted by Dabura on 05 July 2015 - 04:00 PM

I mean, I don't actually believe we're going to see a roster defenseman moved out before the start of the season. Kenny's not going to move Quincey to clear cap space and a spot for a kid. He's not going to pull a sign-and-trade with Smith. Maybe (maybe) he moves Kindl, but it sounds like Kindl is being treated as a reclamation project, and we all know how much this organization loves reclamation projects. Even if Kenny did trade Kindl, Ouellet/Marchenko would still have to overtake Quincey/Smith. So, Lashoff would be Kindl's logical replacement.


Oh, and there's also the fact that we spent a first-round pick on each of Quincey, Smith, and Kindl. (And McCollum. Who was just re-signed...for reasons no one can seem to understand...) (Curious, that.)

#2618967 Things you would like to see for 2015-16 Season

Posted by Dabura on 04 July 2015 - 07:11 AM

A couple good reads:






I would be ok with trading Kindl or Quincey or Smith to a team that needs to reach the cap floor and giving the vacant spot to Ouellet or Marchenko. Both Ouellet and Marchenko are clearly NHL-ready. Hell, Babcock wanted Ouellet on the roster straight out of last year's training camp. These are not players who need to make major strides in Grand Rapids to prove they belong in the NHL. The only reason we're having this conversation is because there's a logjam (and the only reason there's a logjam is because Kenny rewarded Kindl and Ericsson with dumb contracts and now the two are pretty much untradable). Sure, Quincey and Ericsson are veteran NHLers and Ouellet and Marchenko aren't, and, in theory, a veteran is "better" than a kid. But we're getting dangerously close to Catch-22 territory.


"You need to be an NHLer for me to even consider rating you higher than a veteran NHLer, and until I rate you higher than a veteran NHLer, you can't be an NHLer. Grab dat cheez tho!"


I know, I know - better to have a veteran and a largely unproven kid than just an unproven kid. And that's fair enough. But, at the same time...if we're not planning on re-signing Quincey next summer, and we're not going to make a trade for a young stud defenseman, and we're going to continue to preach the need to get younger and quicker and how vitally important it is that the young players all take a step forward this season...maybe, just maybe, having Ouellet (probably the most promising of all our D prospects) on the third pairing instead of Quincey wouldn't be such a bad thing. Is it the safe play? No. Is it the smart play? Honestly, it probably isn't. But we have one of the weaker D groups in the league, and that's largely because we have a spectacular lack of young stud defensemen on the roster. If we're going to build ourselves a Cup-worthy D corps without the aid of a big trade, that means at least one of the Griffins prospects is going to have to become a stud NHL defenseman. Ideally, that happens while Datsyuk and Zetterberg are still elite, which gives us...two years? This may be a situation where "Eh, another year on the farm never hurt anybody" is not the right call.

#2618555 Red Wings sign D Mike Green (3-years, $18-million)

Posted by Dabura on 01 July 2015 - 08:19 PM

I haven't heard good things about Green from any Caps fans, or anyone other than Wings fans, for years.


Then you're not talking to very many people.


"Yeah but I went to a Caps board and everyone was glad to be rid of him!"


OK. I can play the some-random-anonymous-person-on-the-internet-said-something game.




Down in the comments section, dcsportsfan85 says:


The Capitals are severely going to miss Mike Green and I think he's going to absolutely THRIVE in Detroit. This is a huge loss for the organization especially since we've lost another young gun for nothing in return.


As much as I like Brooks Orpik and what he brought to this team I'd still rather swamp him for Green any day of the week. I would have been ecstatic if the Caps top 4 had been Carlson-Green & Alzner-Niskanen last season.


I've watched Green. (I pay special attention to the players I'd like to see the Wings target.) I've gone over his stats, both basic and "fancy." I've looked at him through the lens of all manner of metrics. I've watched our team struggle to move the puck, struggle to establish a precision transition game, struggle to score at even strength, struggle to get pucks on net from the point, struggle to squeeze point production out of a scoring-challenged D corps. All things considered, Mike Green at $6M x 3 is, to me, a great move - and I say that as someone who tends to be very cynical and pessimistic about Ken Holland's decision making.


Is there some inherent risk? Sure. But I'm not expecting him to set the world on fire and win the Norris and Hart. I'm hoping for a good second-pairing defenseman who can give us 10 goals and 40 points and help us spend more time with the puck and, by extension, on the attack. We have more than enough left-shooting "defensive defensemen." Adding a high-end right-shooting scoring defenseman for nothing but money? I'm totally down with that.

#2618518 Red Wings sign D Mike Green (3-years, $18-million)

Posted by Dabura on 01 July 2015 - 07:11 PM

Mike Green and Brad Richards. I love it!!!!!


Green's reputation as a total liability on the defensive side of the puck is ridiculous. This is a very good defenseman whose strengths are perfectly suited for the kind of hockey the Wings play (now more than ever, with Blashill coming in). I'd love to see what he can do with DeKeyser; I think that could be a great pairing.


We didn't need Richards like we needed Green, but depth is the name of the game in today's NHL and Richards certainly makes us deeper. He's always struck me as a "very Red Wings" player. I expect him to be big for us while Datsyuk's out.


Good work, Kenny!

#2617156 Things you would like to see for 2015-16 Season

Posted by Dabura on 28 June 2015 - 09:16 PM

If trading Howard could help us land, say, Brent Burns, I'd definitely consider it. We need a Brent Burns in the worst way.

#2617150 Things you would like to see for 2015-16 Season

Posted by Dabura on 28 June 2015 - 05:21 PM

Re: Trading Howard...


Hell no. Unless it makes perfect sense for us.


This is a two-goalie league; if you want to win the Cup, a 1a-1b tandem is pretty much a prerequisite (unless you have a perennial Vezina candidate who's durable as hell and consistently excellent). Look at what Darling did for Chicago. Look at what Vasilevskiy did for Tampa. Look at what Talbot did for New York. Look at what Hammond did for Ottawa. Hell, look at what Ozzie did for us in 2008. Hasek faltered (as designated starters are wont to do), and we needed a starter-caliber replacement. If Ozzie is instead some random backup, do we win the Cup that year?


Howard-Mrazek would and will be one of the league's best tandems (if not the best), and it'll cost us a combined cap hit of, like, $7M. It's pretty much an ideal situation. Howard was an All-Star last season (pre-injury, of course) and his "backup" is a prodigious stud. They'll push each other, bring out the best in each other. It'll be great.


For the first time in foreverrrrrr, I'm not the least bit concerned about the talent in net.

#2616637 2015 Draft

Posted by Dabura on 26 June 2015 - 03:37 PM

My Rick Nash comparison was a loose powerforward association, don't take it too literally. But yeah he was supposed to be our next 1st line powerforward. Overhyped or not he's already crapping the bed in that department.


Mantha's gone from "He's gonna make the team his first year as a pro and be our future top line winger" to "Well he can still probably contribute something I think" and you people are ok with that. It's pathetic and embarrassing.


Doesn't use his size, doesn't back check, and only about half his scoring translated to the minors. But yeah, I'm sure he'll be the next Rick Nash.


Mantha's 2014-15 season tells us nothing that we didn't already know about him. We drafted him with the understanding that he was going to be a project, that his first year as a pro would probably be spent in Grand Rapids and wouldn't necessarily be anything to write home about. In major junior, he was a big fish in a small pond; he didn't have to play a strong two-way game, he didn't have to battle against grown men, he didn't have to keep his feet moving at all times, the pace was nothing like pro hockey, and QMJHL goaltending is notoriously awful. And in terms of physical fitness and conditioning...if a teenager is going to play in the AHL, he has to put in a lot of extra time at the gym. (Even someone as fit and fleet of foot as Larkin has to bulk up and condition his body to withstand the rigors of the pro game and, in time, the murderous marathon that is the NHL schedule.) Mantha had all this to contend with - and then he broke his leg. Even before he broke his leg, I wasn't expecting greatness from him this season. He's got a long, long way to go before he becomes a first-line winger. I believe he'll get there, but it's just going to take a while.

#2616630 Dougie hamilton to calgary

Posted by Dabura on 26 June 2015 - 03:25 PM

While at times it does feel like Holland does play it a little too safe, it is comforting to know he'd never do stupid s*** like this. 


When I look at our D corps and I hear that Dougie Hamilton was acquired for some picks..."comforting" is not the word that comes to mind.

#2616342 Things you would like to see for 2015-16 Season

Posted by Dabura on 25 June 2015 - 11:09 PM

I would like to see Kenny work that Old Holland Magic and make a couple sneaky-shrewd moves that pay off in a major way and, in turn, make him look like a total genius.


I like Alex Chiasson, who could be had for peanuts and/or lint.


I like Alex Semin, who could be had for Andersson and [insert players who make us wish that amnesty buyouts were still a thing, e.g. Weiss, Kindl, Ericsson].


I like Dustin Byfuglien, who would be the best (or an extremely close second-best) defenseman on this Wings team and could be acquired for substantially less than his true trade value. (The catch being that he has only a year left on his contract and that he will most definitely Get Paid next summer. Would we be able to pay him? Hard to say. Would it be worth it? Also hard to say.)


I like Mike Green, who could be had for only money. (I think Byfuglien is the better high-scoring, right-shooting, smooth-skating, 30-year-old American defenseman who "can't play defense and sucks." But if he's going to cost us a really good asset - say, Jurco or Pulkkinen - and then demand $7.5M x 6 years...Mike Green might be the better option. Unless Mike Green demands $6.5M x 5 years, in which case...well, there are plenty of other defensemen I like.)


I like a lot of players. I don't buy this "Well, in terms of trades, Phaneuf is pretty much the only realistic option, and we're not interested in him, so I guess we're standing pat" mentality. There are always deals out there. The Sharks got Brent Burns and a second-round pick for Devon Setoguchi, Charlie Coyle, and a first-round pick. Don't tell me "There's no hockey store" or "It takes two to dance." (And don't tell me it's all about getting more out of our young players when Cleary is still in the picture.)


Imagine a line of Tatar-Datsyuk-Semin. Imagine DeKeyser paired with Byfuglien and Kronwall paired with Quincey or Marchenko.


This team is a couple additions away from being really, really good.

#2610164 Dylan Larkin turning pro... will play for GR immediately

Posted by Dabura on 25 May 2015 - 10:26 PM

Larkin scores his first two as a pro


Griffins won, 4-2. Larkin scored the first two Griffins goals, Pulkkinen scored the game-winner, and Bertuzzi scored the insurance goal. Series is now tied at one. Next three games are in Grand Rapids.

#2610042 Dylan Larkin turning pro... will play for GR immediately

Posted by Dabura on 25 May 2015 - 12:27 PM

I have high hopes for Larkin but to think he is going to make the Wings squad next year is ludacris.


I disagree. He won't make the team out of camp, but we might see him join the team later in the season, possibly as a winger. He's an exceptional skater; he plays a remarkably mature, rounded 200-foot game; he's got a good frame for an 18-year-old; and his vision, smarts, hockey IQ, playmaking ability are all commendable. While NCAA hockey isn't AHL hockey, killing it as a freshman like Larkin did is extremely impressive and bodes well for his adjustment to the pro game. This is a kid who just played for the USA in the IIHF World Championship as an 18-year-old, the only other 18-year-old on the roster being Jack Eichel. This is a kid without any true holes in his game or even areas of concern. He's not a project. He has to bulk up, has to get used to the grind of the pro schedule, has to make all the necessary adjustments that every player in his situation has to make - but I don't think the adjustment period will be a long one, maybe not even a full season. This is one of the ten best NHL prospects.

#2609582 Dylan Larkin turning pro... will play for GR immediately

Posted by Dabura on 21 May 2015 - 09:38 PM

I'm expecting he'll be at least a couple years with the Griffins, while he continues to adjust to playing with men instead of boys, and against people who are battling for jobs and their livelihoods.  The schedule of the AHL is more demanding as well, and I expect that will also take some getting used to.


I honestly don't think he'll be in Grand Rapids all that long. There's going to be an adjustment period, but he's probably the most complete prospect (or, at least, 18-year-old) we've had in a very long time.


The one thing that might really hold him back is how many bottom-six type forwards we have in the system. Unless the powers that be get to thinking he could really work as a top-six forward (sort of a Helm or Sheahan or Abdelkader dealy), they may just say, "Y'know what, there's no real rush." Or maybe one or two of those bottom-six type guys get traded and getting Larkin into the lineup as, say, a fourth-liner seems to make sense for the team and for Larkin's development track.

#2609579 Dylan Larkin turning pro... will play for GR immediately

Posted by Dabura on 21 May 2015 - 09:24 PM

They drafted Larkin to center mantha.


Eh, not necessarily. They drafted him because he's an awesome centerman from Michigan. If he and Mantha become a dynamic duo because they just work that well together, awesome. But it shouldn't be forced. Finding chemistry and coming up with winning combinations is not at all an exact science.


Having said that...I'm still hoping we get to see Athanasiou - Larkin - Helm at some point, if only for s***s and giggles. (Legion of...Zoom? Vroom? Va-Va-Voom?) (Cuz, like, the motor city and cars and stuff. GET IT?!?!)


Man, we're gonna have a crazy-quick forward corps within the next couple of years.