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#2682185 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Dabura on 04 July 2016 - 03:47 PM

So move players around. Also, players do improve from one year to the next. Allowing them to actually play helps them improve.
And a 32 year old second line center will put them over the top?

 

I believe Larkin and Athanasiou are future cornerstone centermen. At the same time, though, I don't think Larkin or Athanasiou is ready to play the kind of role that Frans Nielsen has been playing for years. This is a case where, in terms of pure positional primacy and experience, the tie truly ought to go to the vereran. Nielsen can be hard-matched against anyone in the league and hold his own. He can center a top PP unit and a top PK unit. He can start a lot of his shifts in the defensive zone -- against elite players -- and still find a way to drive possession in the right direction. He can win key faceoffs. These are things that Larkin and Athanasiou haven't proven they can do as top-six bus-driving NHL centermen. (Which, yeah, is kind of an unfair statement. But it is what it is.) Expecting them to do so, straight away, in 2016-17 helps neither the team nor the two players' respective development paths.




#2682166 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Dabura on 04 July 2016 - 11:48 AM

I think we'll see a 1A / 1B between Larkin and Nielsen and I'm quite okay with that.

 

Yeah, same here. I think Nielsen will get the brutal matchups (which is why I don't think Vanek will be on his wing) while Larkin has it easier. So, I guess the way I see it, Nielsen will be our 1A. If that distinction even matters.




#2681986 Frans Nielson signs 6 year $5.25m AAV contract with Detroit

Posted by Dabura on 02 July 2016 - 04:06 PM

I hate that Holland comment with all of my heart and soul. It's stupid on so many levels. It encapsulates everything that's wrong with the state of the Wings.

 

Just for starters (I'm only going to launch one complaint here, but please know that I could write an entire essay about this quote), "Why does anyone think he is going to be the answer in Detroit?" is a straw man argument, one Holland has trotted out before when attempting -- and failing -- to convincingly rationalize a decision to hold a younger player back, i.e. keep him in the minors when it's obvious to anyone and everyone not named Ken Holland that the player in question should be playing in the National Hockey League.

 

People don't want Anthony Mantha in the lineup because they feel he's The Answer. They don't feel he's The Answer. What people feel is that Anthony Mantha brings certain elements to the lineup that are sorely lacking and sorely needed, e.g. size, high-level vision/thinking, scoring prowess, playmaking ability.

 

It's like a Wings fan saying, "Thomas Vanek is 32, slow-footed, poor defensively, and he doesn't drive possession. He was at the center of a gambling scandal. He was bought out by the Wild (i.e. they are literally paying him to not play for them). Why does anyone think he is going to be the answer in Detroit?"

 

Holland didn't sign Thomas Vanek because he feels he's The Answer. Holland doesn't think he's The Answer. What Holland feels is that Thomas Vanek brings certain elements to the lineup that are sorely lacking and sorely needed, e.g. size...high-level vision/thinking...scoring prowess...playmaking ability....




#2681931 Darren Helm re-signed: 5 years, $3.85m AAV

Posted by Dabura on 02 July 2016 - 11:55 AM

I think perhaps since Helm took the "discount"  (I do believe he would have gotten more yesterday from one of the teams interested in his services) that Kenny will have Helmer on the trade block-he doesnt have a no trade clause does he?  He could fit nicely in a package

 

Holland isn't one to sign-and-trade. (No GM is these days, honestly.) Bottom line, this is a Ken Holland Veteran Loyalty Program Extension. Helm will be with us for at least five more years, making considerably more money than he's worth. (And I say that as a big Darren Helm fan.)




#2681929 Darren Helm re-signed: 5 years, $3.85m AAV

Posted by Dabura on 02 July 2016 - 11:41 AM

The more I think about this deal, the more I hate it.




#2681922 Thomas Vanek signs 1 year, $2.6m deal with Detroit

Posted by Dabura on 02 July 2016 - 11:18 AM

May or may not be a problem as a player, but I sure wouldn't want my sister to be dating this guy - pretty clear warning signs.  My question is do the Wings have the coaching staff to get this guy on track? Blashill? Come on...

 

The Wings have handled "problem cases" before. I wouldn't expect any issues.

 

Vanek's professional career is on the line in 2016-17. If he's smart, he'll steer clear of off-ice distractions.




#2681919 Who should get A?

Posted by Dabura on 02 July 2016 - 11:09 AM

Lol would be the worst skilled NHL captain in history probably

 

But he's reel gud defensively tho.




#2681899 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Dabura on 02 July 2016 - 10:06 AM

I still think one option to look at is adding teams that have a lot of defensive prospects and hope to pry one out before they came really good and cost a fortune or become unmovable at all

 

Absolutely. This has always been my position.




#2681875 Who should get A?

Posted by Dabura on 02 July 2016 - 07:42 AM

We all know Glendening is being groomed for the captaincy.




#2681874 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Dabura on 02 July 2016 - 07:36 AM

Maybe Tatar +pulk +oullete gets us fowler?

 

Fowler seems to be the cheapest option out there, but I think there's a good reason for that: he's not an especially great defenseman, and I believe teams have caught on to this fact.




#2681869 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Dabura on 02 July 2016 - 07:05 AM

It's sounding like the only way you're acquiring a top defenseman via trade is by selling your first-born child.




#2681754 Frans Nielson signs 6 year $5.25m AAV contract with Detroit

Posted by Dabura on 01 July 2016 - 06:02 PM

I've heard he's one of the most underrated players in hockey a couple times. If all of the above is true, getting him for $5m a season is fantastic.

 

We're basically getting the player that we'd always hoped Filppula would become.

 

He's long been one of my favorite NHLers. I believe he's one of the most underappreciated players in the league.




#2681683 Steve Ott signs 1 year, $800k deal with Detroit

Posted by Dabura on 01 July 2016 - 03:57 PM

I've always had a soft spot for Steve Ott, I'm not gonna lie.




#2681497 Frans Nielson signs 6 year $5.25m AAV contract with Detroit

Posted by Dabura on 01 July 2016 - 02:08 PM

And who were you expecting at what price? Please enlighten us.

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McDavid or bust.




#2681430 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Dabura on 01 July 2016 - 01:07 PM

Boedker is overrated. No, no, no.