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#2567149 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Dabura on 30 January 2015 - 01:21 PM

The thing is, where most fans and even a lot of GM's look at what will benefit the team this season, Ken Holland is looking at this season, as well as 5+ years from now.


Ken Holland traded a first-round pick for Kyle Quincey.


Ken Holland threw crazy money at Zach Parise and Ryan Suter. Had we signed them, "5+ years from now" wouldn't have been a thing anymore. We would've spent the duration of those enormous contracts living year-to-year, selling off young, homegrown assets when they became too expensive to hold on to. (Not necessarily saying it wouldn't have been worth it. Just saying.)


Ken Holland traded one of our better prospects and a second-round pick for a rental so that we could limp into the playoffs and keep The Streak alive.


Ken Holland courted Stephane Robidas, who was injured at the time and, as he's failed to establish himself as a regular on the Maple Leafs' blue line, is pretty clearly washed up.


Ken Holland has pursued Rick Nash, Alex Edler, Jarome Iginla, and probably every other big name under the sun. Eventually, we're going to land one of those big names. Because, at some point, you have to. We added Rafalski in the summer of '07 and Stuart in February of '08. The Kings added Williams and Richards and Carter, and then Gaborik. The Blackhawks added Sharp and Oduya and Hossa.


That's half the reason why you stockpile assets in the first place - so that you can trade them. You don't wait to see how each and every one of your promising prospects pans out. If you have your seven D slots filled, and you've got as many as five really good D prospects in the pipeline, and you're a Keith Yandle away from being a Cup favorite, and Keith Yandle is - for the first time ever - known to be available, and you have three more years left with Datsyuk...do you really say, "Well, we have to think about 5+ years from now"? I mean, sure, of course the future's a consideration. But, um, I'm personally not willing to wait 3-to-5 years to see if one of our prospects (at least two of whom inevitably won't be Red Wings, if only because we're not going to have enough room) becomes as good and valuable as Yandle is right now. Our blue line doesn't move the puck well enough and doesn't produce enough offense. Smith isn't producing. Ouellet doesn't have Yandle's offensive upside. Marchenko is a shutdown defenseman. Sproul is a couple years away from being a regular, never mind an impact player. You're telling me we can't afford to part with any of these players, even if we're getting a top-pairing defenseman who can score 50 points for the scoring-challenged Coyotes?


We need a Rafalski, and we need him while Datsyuk and Zetterberg are still dominant players. We're going to have to give to get him. If we're going to wait to see if one of our prospects becomes a Rafalski, we're taking a bigger risk than the one we'd be taking if we acquired that player. Because, we don't know where we're going to be 5+ years from now (though, we do know Datsyuk will be gone and Zetterberg will be a shell of the player we have today and Nyquist and Tatar and DeKeyser will be making serious money). I'm not saying we should trade one of our untouchables. I'm assuming we can add a Yandle without having to part with one of our crown jewels. Which is one of the perks of having a ton of assets. You can afford to part with a couple pieces. Pulkkinen isn't a key roster player for us right now, nor is Jurco, nor is Smith, nor is Ouellet, nor is Marchenko, nor is Sproul, nor is the pimple-faced 18-year-old we'd draft with our mid-to-late first-round pick. Remove two or three of these pieces and we're still a contender, and our future is still extremely bright, especially with a top-end defenseman in the prime of his career being added to the fold.


We're contenders. Datsyuk and Zetterberg and Kronwall and Nyquist and Tatar and Sheahan and DeKeyser have all avoided major injury this season. The Eastern Conference crown has never been so up-for-grabs. We should make a push. Why say, "Well, it's great that we're contenders, but what about 5+ years from now?" Well...maybe we're contenders 5+ years from now. But...we're contenders...right now...? I'm not talking about selling the farm. I'm talking about moving a D prospect plus Pulkkinen/Jurco. If that's completely out of the question, then we're never going to make a meaningful trade and this team is never going to reach its full potential. We draft and develop well, but not well enough that we can say, "Y'know what, let's try to win with an entirely homegrown roster." Why would we make that a thing? Even if it's possible, it's certainly not realistic. Every Cup-winning team that has ever been has needed some outside help.

#2566586 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Dabura on 28 January 2015 - 02:00 PM

Sabres GM bemoans 'very, very quiet' trade market [ProHockeyTalk]

“It’s been quiet, to be frank,” he said. “It’s been very, very quiet. We’re fairly close to the deadline and I didn’t expect it. I don’t expect every team to be active, but there usually are a small amount of teams that don’t wait for the deadline, that like to get it done before the deadline.”


Sabres' Murray: "I would love to be Kenny Holland" [Nichols on Hockey]


On how he has a dream job and if he’s having fun listening to trades:


“No. It’s no fun. I would love to be... who? I would love to be Kenny Holland. 23, 22 years making the playoffs. Not having GMs call you about available players because there’s nobody available. And the only trade you have to make, each and every year around the deadline, is to add a veteran guy to play on your third line or whatever that you feel could put you over the top, and that may be a second round pick. If it’s a second line player, maybe a first round pick. And you know you don’t even mind giving up a first round pick because you have that type of team. That would be fun, to me.

#2566164 1/27 GDT : Red Wings 5 at Panthers 4

Posted by Dabura on 27 January 2015 - 02:54 PM

Cleary is in!!!


No more Teemu? :(


If it ain't broke, break it.

#2565756 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Dabura on 24 January 2015 - 12:50 AM

Jarnkrok isn't exactly lighting it up, on one of the best teams in the league at that. He's a 3rd line center, and we have plenty of those.


Jurco isn't exactly lighting it up, on one of the best teams in the league at that. He's a fourth-line winger, and we have plenty of those.

#2565734 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Dabura on 23 January 2015 - 07:36 PM

Undrafted Giordano has some draft advice for NHL GMs [ProHockeyTalk]


“You’ve got to play a bunch of seasons before you really understand that it’s all about position and not running around and making bad reads,” he said. “For young guys to come in and be really effective defensemen, like [Drew Doughty and Aaron Ekblad], they’re pretty special players to be able to read the game the way they do at such a young age.”


Giordano was asked, if he were an NHL general manager with a late-round draft pick to use on a defenseman, what would he look for?


“The number one thing is hockey IQ,” he said. “Just look for a guy who reads the game well and sees the ice. At the end of the day, playing in your own zone is going to take a while. I think if you can look for guys who can move the puck and make plays, those are guys you can build around.”

#2565319 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Dabura on 20 January 2015 - 11:04 PM


#2564902 Are the Wings a Contender?

Posted by Dabura on 20 January 2015 - 01:55 PM


No team has been better at controlling games at even strength over the past six weeks than the Red Wings.


And then you add the special teams prowess on top of that.

#2564165 1/17 GDT : Predators 2 at Red Wings 5

Posted by Dabura on 18 January 2015 - 01:18 AM


#2563910 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Dabura on 17 January 2015 - 04:29 PM

Marchenko is up next year as well as XO. I kind of have a feeling that Kindls contract may put other teams off unless he


is packaged in with other assest's in a deal.  


Lashoff is wnat he is a #7 D at a cheap cap hit. Alexy would be an upgrade in every aspect. S


Don't count on Marchenko earning a permanent spot next season. Assuming Kindl is moved and no long-term defensemen are acquired, Ouellet will be our #6 next season and Lashoff will stick as our #7. Marchenko can't be our #7, because we don't want him sitting in the press box. So he'll be first on the callup list. Or he'll be traded. (Do we really need another shutdown defenseman?)


If Kenny really is serious about adding a good long-term defenseman, I'm thinking two of the more semi-realistic non-Petry options are Ellis and Bogosian. That's my (admittedly non-insider) sense right now. I say Bogosian because the Jets may be looking to move one of their top-four defensemen for a top-nine forward. I'm not crazy about Bogosian, but he's big, young, mobile, right-handed, signed long-term, accustomed to playing big minutes, and he has the potential to be a two-way #2, and he's not meeting expectations (which is the whole reason why he might be traded in the first place). That sounds a lot like Tyler Myers, right?

Helm has been solid for us this season, but maybe he'd be ok with going home to Winnipeg? They need a 3C...we need an RHD...

#2563283 Brodeur retires. Named Sr. Advisor to Blues GM

Posted by Dabura on 14 January 2015 - 09:24 PM

May be an option for Detroit to have a short-term backup for Mrazek while Howard is out for who knows how long...




Don't do it, Kenny. Don't you dare do it.

#2562600 Petry next Oiler to be shopped - FTLOG Kenny, get it done!

Posted by Dabura on 12 January 2015 - 08:31 AM

Petry's a legitimate top-four defenseman. If we're being honest, we have exactly one defenseman who's clearly better than Petry.

#2562597 Howard on Sportsnet's list of seven Vezina finalists at halfway po

Posted by Dabura on 12 January 2015 - 06:26 AM

Jimmy Howard's been one of the league's best starters this season. The Vezina is Rinne's to lose, though.

#2562553 Jimmy Howard.......All-Star!

Posted by Dabura on 11 January 2015 - 09:29 PM

For the record, I have total faith in Mrazek.

#2562524 Lines Thread

Posted by Dabura on 11 January 2015 - 06:42 PM

If the second pair is just going to be a shutdown pair anyway, and provide relatively little offense, what do you guys think about moving dekeyser up with knonwall, and putting Ericsson with Quincey? I agree that Q and dekeyser have been good defensively, but if we can't figure out a transition game then I think we are going to continue to struggle.


My concern there is it takes away our steadiest pairing (which, granted, isn't saying much) and gives us two third pairings. Kronwall carries Ericsson, DeKeyser carries Quincey, so...our shutdown pair is the two guys who need to be carried by superior puck-movers? That sounds like a possession black hole. Lots of shot-blocking and hitting and shutting down and defending, sure, but only because they'd never have the puck.


But really, any way you arrange it, our D corps just isn't good enough. Replacing Kindl with Petry would be a start, I guess.


Kronwall  Petry

DeKeyser  Quincey

Smith  Ericsson

God, our blue line. woof. Seriously. woof.

#2562444 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by Dabura on 11 January 2015 - 05:22 AM

He wants to score, that's it.


Nope. Watch him play. Going back to that game against the Blackhawks, for example...




#10 Nail Yakupov, 8. Finished a hard check on Brent Seabrook as the Chicago defenceman cycled the puck to Duncan Keith; Keith gave the puck away and Pouliot cashed in for Edmonton’s first goal of the night…


tried to pass across to Roy but it was blocked and the puck almost bounced right into the Chicago net…


made a bad giveaway to create a shorthanded rush for Chicago but recovered [My note: didn't just recover. Skated as hard as he could on the backcheck] and broke up the play in the Oilers’ zone…


He hits, backchecks, and tends to pass when he should shoot. That's him in 2014-15. I'd actually say his play with the puck has been more concerning than his play without it.


He's a good kid who's learning to play the right way.