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#2517691 Was Legwand worth it?

Posted by Dabura on 27 April 2014 - 04:01 PM

You answered your own question. He wasn't a key piece of our future and had no future here

 

He was our best prospect. He had a very bright future here, until he didn't, because he was traded. He was essentially our only high-end center prospect, and he's right-handed. If a center logjam was an issue, he could've been moved to the wing, which Babcock likes doing with young, inexperienced centers anyway.

 

My question was, How many times did Holland say he wouldn't sacrifice futures for the short-term? (More to the point, maybe, How many times has Holland talked up the importance of drafting and building from within and developing what you have in the pipeline? You know what I'm saying.) By trading Jarnkrok for Legwand, he moved our crown jewel for...David Legwand. And very possibly only a few games from him.

 

Like I've said elsewhere, I'm not looking to s*** on Holland for any and every little reason. But, so far, this deal was not worth it. If, however, Legwand re-ups with us and goes on to be a key piece for a few seasons and we push deep into the playoffs, I'll feel a lot better about it.

 

Jarnkrok is a very, very good player. I've been high on him for some time now.




#2517551 Was Legwand worth it?

Posted by Dabura on 27 April 2014 - 08:48 AM

Except for nailing Malkin in the nuts. 

 

Are you implying Legwand is a Terminator, sent from the future to prevent Evgeni Malkin from being able to impregnate Sarah Connors of Stanley Cup of Chowder?




#2517539 What is more important?

Posted by Dabura on 27 April 2014 - 07:30 AM

Ultimately, it comes down to puck possession. Great defense is what gets you there. Great defense is more than just d-zone coverage. It's the transition game, the first passes. Great offense comes from great defense. Great defense doesn't come from great offense.

 

The Kings are so good defensively because they don't spend any time in their zone. Their defensemen know how to manage the puck once they regain possession. If they have the puck and they're not forechecking or cycling in the o-zone, they're pushing the play up the ice, away from Quick (who, yes, does benefit greatly from all this). That means they're not embarking on African safaris deep within their zone every 40 seconds like we are. They're spending a lot of time on the attack, because they're spending little time in their zone. They're spending little time in their zone because they "defend" well. They move the puck out of their zone and through neutral ice well.

 

Arguably the best top three we've ever had is Lidstrom, Rafalski, Kronwall. Three offense-minded, puck-moving, possession-savvy veteran defensemen. Lidstrom and Rafalski especially - they knew how to take care of business in their own end and put us on the attack with brilliant breakouts, a quick-strike transition. And that's saying nothing of their work in the o-zone. They were spectacular quarterberbacks, and they could bomb it from the points.

 

We miss the old Mule. We miss Z and D in their prime. But, more than anyone else, we miss Lidstrom and Rafalski, and the luxury of being able to play Kronwall on the second pairing. (I'd also take Stuart over Quincey.) I mean, think about it. Our forward corps isn't bad, even with the injuries we've had. It's actually quite good. It should've been scoring at a much better clip. What went wrong? Was it beause we just needed one more top-sixer? Was it because we didn't have Thomas Vanek? Would Vanek have been the difference? Doubtful.

 

What we need is a veteran top-four defensemen who, above all else, does good things with the puck.




#2517532 What is more important?

Posted by Dabura on 27 April 2014 - 06:49 AM

Great defense. This shouldn't really be up for debate.




#2517239 ECQF - Game 5 - Red Wings at Bruins - 3:00 PM EST

Posted by Dabura on 26 April 2014 - 05:21 PM

I get the impression Alfie will never win a cup.  This playoffs it looked like he wanted his team to get the cup for him more than he wanted to get it for himself.  He wasn't very good, and I was extremely excited when he came at the beginning of the year.

 

Lower back pain can do that to you. I know from 15+ years of experience.

 

About Mantha - I'm not saying I think he's fully ready. Certainly I wouldn't expect him to be a key player right away. I'm just looking at our window with Z and D and K, and...it's closing. The future's pretty much here anyway. Might as well open the door. (Within reason, of course.)




#2517201 ECQF - Game 5 - Red Wings at Bruins - 3:00 PM EST

Posted by Dabura on 26 April 2014 - 05:03 PM

Agreed. He's a very good bottom 6-er. I can see Babcock's thinking, but it doesn't work. Hopefully, whether its Mantha or an FA, we can get a proper threat on the first line next year.

 

I've thought about it lately, and I think I want Mantha on the team straight out of camp. Let's just go all in with the youth, get them as much time with Z and D and maybe Alfie as possible.




#2517138 ECQF - Game 5 - Red Wings at Bruins - 3:00 PM EST

Posted by Dabura on 26 April 2014 - 04:53 PM

I'm borderline ashamed of the Detroit Red Wings. Even with all the stuff we had going against us, we really just laid down and died in this series.




#2517093 ECQF - Game 5 - Red Wings at Bruins - 3:00 PM EST

Posted by Dabura on 26 April 2014 - 04:47 PM

Again I ask: What does Tom Renney actually do?




#2517045 ECQF - Game 5 - Red Wings at Bruins - 3:00 PM EST

Posted by Dabura on 26 April 2014 - 04:43 PM

Oh God, not this hope business.




#2517024 ECQF - Game 5 - Red Wings at Bruins - 3:00 PM EST

Posted by Dabura on 26 April 2014 - 04:42 PM

Hey, guess what. We had a power play and we didn't convert.




#2516936 ECQF - Game 5 - Red Wings at Bruins - 3:00 PM EST

Posted by Dabura on 26 April 2014 - 04:28 PM

Fire Holland

 

cut Franzen/Lashoff/Kindl/Weiss/Sammy/Cleary.  don't resign Bert or Alfie.  Dangle Howard as trade bait.

 

Blow it up.  Bring in a new GM (Jarmo in Columbus would be epic for this franchise and I think they could get him too) and rebuild.

 

Why would Jarmo jump ship? He's got a good thing going in Columbus.




#2516850 ECQF - Game 5 - Red Wings at Bruins - 3:00 PM EST

Posted by Dabura on 26 April 2014 - 04:18 PM

If we had just a half-decent power play, we'd be in this series.


Remember when the Wings were feared because of their ability to move the puck?  Yeah...seems like forever ago

 

Losing Lidstrom and Rafalski and replacing them with Quincey will do that.




#2516786 ECQF - Game 5 - Red Wings at Bruins - 3:00 PM EST

Posted by Dabura on 26 April 2014 - 03:59 PM

If Franzen would actually skate he wouldnt have to grab someones shoulder. Grabbing a players shoulder like that in plain view is a penalty 100% of the time regardless of if there was a dive.

 

He shouldn't even be flirting with it. Just keep your hands to yourself, ride the momentum we've built up for ourselves.

 

But no. The one time we need him to "just be," he decides to go and do something.

 

F*** him.




#2516716 ECQF - Game 5 - Red Wings at Bruins - 3:00 PM EST

Posted by Dabura on 26 April 2014 - 03:50 PM

Franzen to the box. Moron.


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#2516678 ECQF - Game 5 - Red Wings at Bruins - 3:00 PM EST

Posted by Dabura on 26 April 2014 - 03:44 PM

Datsyuk has scored over 50% of our goals this series. Sent from my ADR6350 using Tapatalk 2

 

Greedy Russian.