Posted by vladdy16
on 19 September 2014 - 09:34 AM
When are people going to stop paying any attention whatsoever to ESPN, especially when it comes to hockey? When I want to know about poker championships, I'll turn to ESPN.
Look no further than their vote for the Number 1 worst team in North America: The Toronto Maple Leafs. Seriously? While they have indeed struggled mightily in recent years (decades), they are far from the worst. I don't care what the criteria was, ESPN is dead-ass wrong. As usual.
It's great to make the playoffs, but let's win some Cups... Yes, 23 years in a row is AMAZING, but the Blackhawks have 2 Cups in their current run, the Kings have 2 Cups in their current run. Yes, we have 4 during ours and 6 appearances. Remember, in our first six years of the streak, we had 0 Cups and only 1 appearance... Creating an elite, winning culture is great and maintaining it will be increasingly difficult in the current NHL. I question whether of not Holland is the guy to do it. Look at how Yzerman has adapted in Tampa Bay or at how Nill has adapted in Dallas, why hasn't Detroit made any changes?
I don't think anyone is arguing against constructive criticism, but the absolute vitriol that spews on this board sometimes usually is frustrating most all level-headed fans and we're getting a little trigger happy.
Another thing I'm getting a little tired of is comparing Holland to Yzerman and/or Nill. Apples and oranges. The Lightening and Stars had almost nowhere to go but up to begin with. They also aren't facing the same adversity as Holland - little cap space and an unwillingness to trade with the Wings. These are pretty sizable barriers to contend with. Also, neither has the pressure from the fans that the Wings organization has. I'm not a Holland fanboy by any means, but let's be reasonable.
And since neither Nill or Yzerman is available to Detroit, what's a better option than Holland at this point?
I wasn't alive at the point in time so I don't know what the reasons are for the dead wing era.
I do know for a fact it was high draft picks that got us yzerman and others that started the upswing and the run the wings are on.
I think it's pure arrogance when peoe down the hawks pens and kings for having their high draft picks turn into stars cause the wings went through the same thing. Theirs just happened many years later.
And yet you state very emphatically, and I quote, YES THE WINGS TANKED TO GET GOOD. Stop the god damn arrogance and accept it.
So on what were you basing that statement?
And exactly which high draft picks in that era besides Yzerman turned into stars? After Stevie was drafted, the only *notable picks in the first 2 rounds were Shawn Burr, Adam Graves, Yves Racine, Keith Primeau, LaPointe, McCarty, Dandenault, Fischer, Kronwall, Hudler, Howard, Kindl, Abdelkader, Tatar, Jurco and Mantha. Yeah, that's a real parade of stars. Some good, some I wouldn't trade for the world but hardly stars, and some unproven.
How did the wings get Stevie y? It wasn't with the 278 overall pick. People are so DMAN short sighted YES THE WINGS TANKED TO GET GOOD. Stop the god damn arrogance and accept it.
Then they continue to draft AND trade AND sign free agents and were able to maintain it. Now they don't trade or sign free agents but still draft so we will see if they can.
It'll be tough for the playoff record the wings are in to happen again but that doesn't matter. What does matter is four cups in the span of 23 years now which can be matched. And I wouldn't surprised to see the kings do that either.
Am I reading correctly that you are saying the Wings intentionally tanked for 20 years, give or take, simply to raise their draft position? If that's the case, I highly recommend you do some research, because that is patently untrue. And there were several other significant changes that occurred just before and just after the Stevie Acquisition that started the Wings on the upswing.
There are a ton of games to choose from, but when you get right down to it March 26th, 1997 is THE game for me. It had it all. Roller-coaster score, retribution, goalie fight, poetic justice, blood, a raucous crowd, the unexpected (Larionov starting a fight?!) highlight reel goals and saves and a Wings win in overtime.