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#2323429 Your thoughts on Sergei Fedorov

Posted by vladdy16 on 01 August 2012 - 02:01 PM

As someone who disagrees and would retire his number, I can't take issue with a single thing you said, an entirely valid opinion.

That being said, if you are of that mindset, then there is no way Brendan Shanahan or Chris Osgood could possibly have their numbers retired either. As long as the Wings are consistent on that definition of "royalty", I could accept Yzerman and Lidstrom, only, as the Wings' definition of "royalty" for this recent era of success.

Also, if Yzerman and Lidstrom are the only current Wings players equivalent to Delvecchio, Lindsay, etc. up in the rafters, then I think you have a really hard time arguing that Datsyuk and Zetterberg are deserving of that honor, unless they win more Cups.

Part of the reason I struggle with this is you can look at guys like Delvecchio, Lindsay, Sawchuk, and these guys were definitely not the "best", or often even the "2nd best" player on their teams at that time, yet they are in the rafters. And you could argue that the 1950's Red Wings were a great team in an era where it was MUCH easier for one team to sustain success. The Wings ripped off 4 Cups in 12 seasons, and did it amongst 25 to 29 other NHL teams. There's no "right answer" to this, but I don't think you can diminish the value of guys like Fedorov simply because they weren't the "best" guy on a team that obviously needed a lot of really great players to succeed as they did.

Agreed, the others mentioned don't deserve the honor either. Yet.

Yzerman and Lidstrom bled red and white. Not only is Fedorov's work ethic able to be called into question, his loyalty is as well. I don't fault him for signing the Carolina offer sheet - I do fault him for holding the Wings hostage by holding out and making his displeasure known on the ice. He always came across as a prima donna, which is probably why so many are against his number being retired. That's not the Red Wings way.

#2323283 Operation Bobblehead - Alumni style

Posted by vladdy16 on 31 July 2012 - 06:25 PM

The DRW are asking fans to vote on who they would like to see a bobblehead of. They are going to release 6 this season of former Red Wing greats. Take a wild guess as to who I voted for. :)

Vote here.

#2322770 Money On The Board Conundrum

Posted by vladdy16 on 28 July 2012 - 10:54 PM

It can't be the multiple sources as they weren't even aware of the checks. They never processed my credit card. That's one-stop shopping there. I checked their website today; it looks like the gold outing is still happening and they've announced their grant recipients for this year, so the charity is still functioning. I am not of a mind to beg them to "approve" our donation. It's beyond me why they wouldn't just take the money and say thanks.

#2322511 Doan staying in PHX 4 yrs $21.2 mill

Posted by vladdy16 on 27 July 2012 - 02:41 PM

I feel so sorry for those of you who have only known the Wings of the last 20 years, but I'm going to try and talk you all off the ledge. Recent history has spoiled this fanbase beyond belief. no doubt, but just because we've hit a bump in the road doesn't mean we should just blow up JLA and ship our current roster off to the remaining 29 teams. We will be able to sign desirable free agents, we will do well in the draft, we just won't have the usual cakewalk to the playoffs. Now, sit down for this one: we may not even make the playoffs. You can either jump ship or take a Valium and wait for the season to begin and enjoy what you have taken for granted for so long.

#2322280 Tim Thomas.

Posted by vladdy16 on 26 July 2012 - 06:39 PM

Anyone's stance on any political issue is no longer a topic of discussion at LGW. Please keep any discussion limited to the game of hockey and all that entails.

#2321888 Doan staying in PHX 4 yrs $21.2 mill

Posted by vladdy16 on 25 July 2012 - 01:21 PM

See, if we sign Doan, we wouldn't be able to do things like this:

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#2321823 Predators match offer sheet to Shea Weber

Posted by vladdy16 on 25 July 2012 - 09:57 AM

Of course he is - after the signing. I would think that if Weber were truly upset by what his agents were saying, he would have given an interview of his own right after the fact, not days later. He needs to mend fences. Whether he actually wants to be there or not, and conventional wisdom and general consensus dictate not, he's in Nashville, for good or ill, for the next year. He can't tank the season because if he wants a trade, who's going to trade for someone who had a crappy season, particularly with his fat contract? This presser is a serious backpedal and an olive branch, nothing more.

#2321541 Predators match offer sheet to Shea Weber

Posted by vladdy16 on 24 July 2012 - 02:48 PM

It will be very, very interesting to see how this plays out. Weber gets his payday, but is stuck in Nashville. If he was just trying to up his salary, then all is well. However, if he really wanted out and a solid chance at winning it all, unless things change drastically down there, he's screwed. Can't wait to see which scenario unfolds.

#2321498 Doan staying in PHX 4 yrs $21.2 mill

Posted by vladdy16 on 24 July 2012 - 01:20 PM

Am I the only one who just doesn't give a s*** anymore? FA this year has been interminable! Pick a freakin' team and be done with it.

#2320662 What Should Be Addressed in the New CBA?

Posted by vladdy16 on 20 July 2012 - 09:40 AM

I see many comments in several threads about what should change in the new CBA. I thought it was a very topic-worthy discussion. The issues that leap to mind are contract length and signing bonuses, besides the usual player percentage of profits and how many years before players reach UFA status.

Personally, I think if a team wants to take the risk of signing a player to a very long-term contract, bon chance. I see no issue with that.
I also don't see an issue with signing bonuses. It doesn't circumvent the cap. As far as being a tool that less-established teams don't have access to, I say so sorry. There's already revenue sharing; I see no reason why teams like Toronto, Philly & Detroit shouldn't be able to use their cap dollars as they see fit.

#2320574 Flyers sign Weber to offer sheet: 14y/$110m ($56m 1st 4yrs)

Posted by vladdy16 on 19 July 2012 - 10:27 PM

Save your cap geek garbage for somebody else. Your wrong on every level here. Poile will match and he will be a pred for a very long time. Deal with it

Wow, truth hurts, eh? You're in enemy territory - please tread more respectfully.

If Poile ponies up and matches, yay for the fans. However, the Preds will have one very expensive, sulky defenseman on their hands. It's a lose/lose for Nashville.

Oh, and it's "you're."


First four seasons (2012-'13 through 2015-'16) $1 million per year w/ 13M signing bonus
- Next two seasons (2016-'17 through 2017-'18) $4 million per w/ 8M signing bonus
- Next four seasons (2018-'19 through 2021-'22) $6 million per
- Following year (2022-'23) $3 million per
- Last three seasons (2023-'24 through 2025-'26) $1 million per

This contract is odd, the signing bonus's i don't understand, why sign for 1 mill with a 13 mill bonus? Is there a reason for that?

The signing bonus isn't subject to the possible lowering of the cap, which would affect his salary. He gets the 13 mil regardless.

#2318210 Hockeytown Winter Festival Presser

Posted by vladdy16 on 11 July 2012 - 11:50 AM

So far I've heard that there are so many alum's they'd like to honor from both teams, there's going to be 2 games.
Wings players thus far:

Osgood and Vernon
Dino Cicerrelli
Ted Lindsay
Joey Kocur
Micky Redmond
John Ogrodnik
Luc Robitaille
Hall of famer Larry Murphy
Mark Howe

They will announce more after some pictures.

#2317904 Reminder: Personal attacks, trolling will not be tolerated

Posted by vladdy16 on 10 July 2012 - 07:15 PM

I understand what you are saying but from what I have seen on these boards lately most of the personal attacks are in reference to some posts that in themselves could be considered trolling. Obviously some personal attacks are random or unjustified but just as we should all refrain from making personal attacks in our posts there are some posters, in my opinion, who should refrain from pretty evident trolling.

Personally, I would like to see those trolling posts disciplined just as personal attack posts will be.

All I can say in response to this is no one knows what actions Matt and/or the mods take outside of the parties directly involved. It would be tacky otherwise.
I cannot stress often enough how important that report function is. If someone is provoked, they should use it rather than resorting to personal attacks.

Fans of other teams who come here to bash the Wings should be cut off. I am sure almost all of the personal attacks are directed at the same people

There is a difference between fans of other teams who come here solely to bash the Wings and fans of other teams who have a differing opinion on the state of the team. Those who come strictly to troll are dealt with swiftly; those who opine something other than the party line are welcome to express their opinion. If you see blatant trolling, please report it. If you simply disagree with them, by all means, discuss it. That's why we're all here!

#2317722 St. Louis Trades B.J. Crombeen to Tampa Bay

Posted by vladdy16 on 10 July 2012 - 12:49 PM

Nice to see some teams making deals to fill their needs...Holland? You awake? Franzine is expendable, especially when it comes to Ryan/Nash or Yandle...

You post this in every thread, yet you never explain how Holland is going to get someone to take Franzen's contract: 2012-13 $5,250,000 $5,250,000 $0 — $3,954,545 2013-14 $5,000,000 $5,000,000 $0 — $3,954,545 2014-15 $5,000,000 $5,000,000 $0 — $3,954,545 2015-16 $5,000,000 $5,000,000 $0 — $3,954,545 2016-17 $3,500,000 $3,500,000 $0 — $3,954,545 2017-18 $2,000,000 $2,000,000 $0 — $3,954,545 2018-19 $1,000,000 $1,000,000 $0 — $3,954,545 2019-20 $1,000,000 $1,000,000 $0 —

You may be the engineer on the Franzen hate train, but you need to come up with a trade good enough to have someone take on this contract. Just because you want him gone doesn't mean it's feasible or even necessary.

*EDIT* I am completely derailing the thread. PM me if you'd like to discuss trading Franzen, or maybe start a thread about it.

As to the topic at hand: I think Stevie has done a fantastic job for the Lightening thus far. I questioned his Roloson signing, but it worked out better than I thought it might. All in all, I think this is a really good move for him.

#2316617 Buck Wild?

Posted by vladdy16 on 06 July 2012 - 10:50 PM

Realistically, what kind of a team can Holland ice these days that will get fans excited? We've been fortunate enough to ice some of the best players to ever grace the NHL, and there was never anywhere to go but down eventually. For those of you fortunate enough to have never seen the Wings struggle before, this is the beginning of a very hard reality. Sorry. We're here for you.
Not to say that the Wings are going to be cellar dwellers, but our lofty expectations are going to come down a notch or two. I'm still extremely grateful for the last 20 years and thrilled I got to see it. Can't wait to see it again!