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#2017241 Loophole

Posted by dragonballgtz on 20 July 2010 - 09:50 AM

Not really. The league can reject (or nullify at a later time, even if the deal is initially approved) any contract deemed to be a circumvention of the cap. But there isn't any specific definition of what constitutes circumvention. There is this, Section 26.13 (b) from the CBA:

That would seem to provide all the latitude necessary for the league to decide that a 17-year deal for a player who would be 44 at its conclusion can not be explained reasonably without considering it an attempt to avoid the Upper Limit, and/or an unwritten agreement (both of which are specifically prohibited). A line has to be drawn somewhere. Exactly where is somewhat arbitrary. Could be length of the deal, degree of front-loading, age of the player, etc.

There's nothing that specifically prevents 50 or 60 year deals either, but I think we'd all agree that offering a player a contract until they're 84 would be a clear case of circumvention. 84 is just an arbitrary number, there isn't any absolute guarantee that Kovy couldn't play that long. In all the history of the NHL there have been only 7 fewer 84 year-olds as there have been 44 year-olds. Pretty small difference, relatively speaking. No matter where the arbitrary number is (if age was the factor) there would be a line where age X is ok, but age X+1 isn't. They could easily, just for the sake of simplicity, say 43 is far enough.

It's a matter of degrees. See my 50-60 year example above. Also look at the effect of the 'garbage' years. All three deal are structured similar. Front loaded to pay out over 95% of the salary in the first 11, 10, and 9 years respectively for Kovy, Hank, and Mule. Coincidentally, that is when all three players turn 38. After that, all three see their salary drop to $1 million or less.

For Franzen and Zetterberg, each has two years at $1M, reducing their cap hits by around $650k for Frazen, and slightly over $1M for Hank. Kovy has 6 years paying a total of $3.5M, reducing his cap hit by nearly $3 million!

That said, I wouldn't really care if they did nullify our deal, provided we get a period of exclusivity in which to renegotiate. If it meant stopping the nonsense I'd be ok with it. If they let this one go, what are they going to do next year when Parise gets the 22 year deal NJ would need in order to afford him.

There's really not that much risk. If he starts to suck, NJ could just send him to the minors. He'd already have 95% of the salary, so he probably wouldn't care and would just go to Russia anyway, but even if he didn't NJ is still off the hook for the cap hit.

I still think they have no merit to stop this one. They let all those other I'm gonna play till 40+ year old deals be signed then there is nothing they can do. Some had injury history (Franzen) some play a hard game that will take its toll on the players body (Pronger). If they wanted to stop this they should of stepped up when DiPietro's deal was signed. It does not matter what happens to the last years in any of those contracts they are made to take advantage of the loophole in the CBA plain and simple. They failed to act and stop these contracts in the past so they cannot and should not be able to do it now.

#2017151 Loophole

Posted by dragonballgtz on 20 July 2010 - 12:32 AM

Watch the NHL disapprove Kovalchuks contract...

Its too late for them to do that IMO. They let everyone else have their long contract's and some with a history of getting injured. If they try to do something about his contract then they would have to do something about every one of these 10+ year contracts.

#2016877 Kovalchuk Re-Signs with Devils

Posted by dragonballgtz on 19 July 2010 - 02:34 PM

Or you could just say that all salaries count fully against the cap for their signed duration regardless of when a player retires.

/problem solved

#2016683 Sergei Federov

Posted by dragonballgtz on 19 July 2010 - 09:16 AM

I think the biggest things were the lockout just really fooked with his skills also being traded away from the Ducks must of messed with him mentally as well. He went from being "the man" to being a mentor/another piece of the puzzle. Not what he wanted. Then his body started to give up on him with all those random injuries he would get. Bad groin, ankle, back and the killer a concussion in his 2nd to last year.

Could he of been better maybe it's easier to play with better teammates around you. My question is would he of meshed better with Babs with the Wings instead of Anaheim? Another one is how the Red Wings roster would of looked with 2 large contracts after the lockout?

He was 34 when he left Detroit so he was heading for a decline no matter what, but I think he would've had a much more productive end to his career if he had stayed. Mike Babcock said it pretty well, being Fedorov's coach in Anaheim in 2004:

Technically 33. I know it does not matter but just getting the facts straight sorry.

#2016568 Henrik Zetterberg

Posted by dragonballgtz on 18 July 2010 - 05:13 PM

Hank with a 50 goal and Pav with a 100 point season would be awesome. They deserve it. Maybe it will happen if they play together next year !

Also if he does not play a couple of half ass games like last year. Maybe it was his back but whatever it was you could tell he was not giving his all.

#2015177 Lilja, Modano, and Maltby news

Posted by dragonballgtz on 15 July 2010 - 08:35 AM

I want the Wings to give Maltby the one-year contract. Hear me out on this. If (and it's a BIG if) he actually out-plays the other guys, then he's the one that belongs on the team.

If he doesn't, and if he's willing to go to GR (yup- another big if) we can bring him up in the post season as a black ace. He may not play a game, and he wouldn't get his name on the Cup (thinking positive here!) unless they stuck him in for a game. BUT (and I do have a big butt- oh, wait...) if we get injuries during the playoffs, Kirk Maltby is one man I want to be able to plug into our lineup. He knows the system, he plays his best hockey during the playoffs, and he will be more rested having played the lesser schedule.

As long as he's willing to earn his spot- and everyone understands that he must EARN it, the only downside I can see to signing him is that he might be claimed off of waivers. Granted, it is mostly a downside to him and his family, and the die-hard Malts fans out there, but it would be a loss of a good black ace.

Can't wait to see my rep tomorrow. :D


It is sad to see the players from the mid 90s team going out like they are. Maltby took one for the team last year by having surgery so I think Holland would at least give him a two way contract for it. I really hope if we do sign Maltby he plays with passion because I am pretty darn sure that this is the last hoora for Draper, Maltby, Ozzie, and maybe Lidstrom. Depending how hard the season is on Holmstrom's body him as well. :crybaby:

#2014640 RUMOR: Wings Offer 1-year Contract to Maltby

Posted by dragonballgtz on 13 July 2010 - 07:27 PM

The last time Detroit won the Cup without Maltby on the roster is 1955.

Thus, he's a must for our championship hopes.

50 goal junior scorer baby

#2014469 Bettman makes how much?

Posted by dragonballgtz on 13 July 2010 - 12:24 PM

Phoenix is a brand new market, and the team has been AWFUL all 14 years.

I wouldn't say all 14 years. First 4 seasons they made the playoffs but got knocked out in the 1st round by Red Wings, Avs, Blues, and Ducks. Besides the Ducks those were the top teams in the west during those days. Phoenix was never elite but decent...so getting off to a start like that they should of gotten more attention but didn't.

#2014277 Osgood may retire following this season

Posted by dragonballgtz on 12 July 2010 - 09:49 PM

He will be a Hall of Famer, but I don't see him getting in 1st try unless its a weak class. I think the voters will keep in mind the fact his numbers were more a product of the teams he played on and not overwhelming stand out play on his part.

I will agree in a way with that. I still think Ozzie did his part. Hell he might of had 3 SC for being a starter if it wasnt for him getting injured in 98-99 playoffs.

Bill Ranford :ranting: :flamingmad:

#2012764 Brett Lebda signs with Toronto

Posted by dragonballgtz on 08 July 2010 - 04:05 PM

Did you all listen to the radio interview? At the start he makes it clear the Wings really didn't push for his services, they asked but other then that he knew they did not want him. Also the way he sounds in the interview is a respectable tone. George Malik just twisted the interesting words and used them against Lebda. I am not a fan of Lebda in any way (I called Toronto suckers for paying him that much) but lets bash him for telling the truth. There was no room for him and he wanted to play more. He got way more then Detroit would ever give him so I cannot blame him for going to Toronto.

#2012173 Getflaf for Zetter

Posted by dragonballgtz on 07 July 2010 - 05:47 PM

If Getzlaf played the way he did against us in the playoffs two years ago all the time then yes. Wasn't he hurt or had the flu, what ever it was dude was a beast. None of the Wings could move him.

#2011865 Red Wings Making Play for Modano

Posted by dragonballgtz on 07 July 2010 - 10:39 AM

Eaves is yet to sign his offer, which was given to him long before Modano was anywhere near a reality, he has his offer, if he wanted to be here he would be. This is not a case of Holland leaving Eaves out in the wind, Eaves knows what the Wings offer is and if he had signed it, the Wings would have less cap space to throw at Modano.

Eaves was a Wing for less than a year, what makes you think he will stay here for years, or even be able to crack the roster in years to come?

That was so they could hold onto his rights. I will bet they just added the 10% to his contract but they knew he would not sign it.

The 1.5 million dollar man is gonna be sitting in the press box if Modano signs. What a waste of cap space

I don't know why I got rated down for this remark but its the truth. Splitting time or not its a waste.

#2011485 Red Wings Making Play for Modano

Posted by dragonballgtz on 06 July 2010 - 08:28 PM

The 1.5 million dollar man is gonna be sitting in the press box if Modano signs. What a waste of cap space

#2011132 Red Wings Making Play for Modano

Posted by dragonballgtz on 06 July 2010 - 12:37 PM

so 3 other teams interested in modano eh? hopefully they offer more to him than the wings and he chooses to go elsewhere


#2011034 Holland thinks he is close to signing Eaves, Miller, and Meech

Posted by dragonballgtz on 06 July 2010 - 09:33 AM

They can afford to do that because Ritola is, no matter how you look at it, redundant to this team, they got many promising prospects ready in 2 years or so

I would rather have a promising prospect then a 40 year old on the brink of retiring.