dragonballgtz

There is no need to come around that corner with that much speed knowing the defenseman will be in a vulnerable situation. He had an opposing player right behind him, which the player looked worried about, then to have this guy come around like that... no need at all.

Bertuzzi not playing!!  

yeah buddy! lol

Brunnstrom has been recalled and will play tonight

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2011/11/red_wings_recall_fabian_brunns.html

HALLELUJAH!!!

Would rather have Bert in tonight considering the opponent.  Just one less tough player the Ducks have to worry about.  

esteef

Tough LOL!!!!

Go hard to the net...get some dirty goals and win.

Pavel Datsyuk: (B) Historically, Datsyuk is a slow starter, but this season seems extra slow for him. He just seems off. A lot of bad passes and poor shot selection. His backchecking has been typical of him (meaning incredible), but he is a -5 right now. Unacceptable for Datsyuk. He does have 2 goals and 6 assists through the first 11 though, so his production is on par as always, but defensively, he needs to step his game up.

Jiri Hudler: (C+) Here's the problem with Hudler, if he isn't playing in the top six, he won't contribute. This isn't 2008 or 2009 when he was playing on the third line with Filppula and Samuelsson (which for the record is a incredible third line).You can't stick him with Abdelkader or Bertuzzi and expect him to produce. That's not his game. The bottom line is that he needs to play with Datsyuk. That will probably be the only way he will play to his potential. Overall I don't think he has been as bad as everyone thinks. He's been working hard and has logged 2 goals and 2 assists and a plus 1 rating in 10 games, which is a little below where you would like to see him at this point, but production is down across the board. What worries me is two things: First, his 12 PIM (way too high for him) and second, he only has 10 shots in 10 games. Definitely needs to shoot the puck more.

Henrik Zetterberg: (C-) 2 goals, 2 assists, and -6. That should pretty much speak for itself. What is going on with Zetterberg? Is it just that he has simply lost a step? Is he not the player he used to be? Even when playing with Datsyuk he couldn't get anything going, even with a ridiculous 48 shots. I wouldn't be surprised if he was injured.


Valtteri Filppula: (A-) I know a lot of people on this forum like to hate on Fil, but at the end of the day, he has been on of our best players. He started off the season on fire, then like everyone else, went cold. His defensive play has been solid (per usual) and he has even contributed much more than he should offensively with 2 goals, 5 assists and a plus 3 rating through 11 games. The stat that really sticks out for me is that he has 20 shots (just as much as Franzen).

Johan Franzen: (B) 20 shots for The Mule is unacceptable. He is our best goal scorer and needs to start acting like it. He does have 4 goals and 3 assists so far, which is on par for his usual season, but I feel like over the last few seasons his scoring has become much more inconsistent. For now, we'll just blame it on the whole team playing poorly.

I know this is your opinion but there is no way that Flip and Franzen should have those grades. Datsyuk would be a C, Z an F, Mule F, Flip D. They had this issue last year with just disappearing no way that is acceptable this year.

If the Wings make a deal for Morrow I don't know how I will describe my satisfaction.

Would it go something like...

February 7-29 2008 the Wings went 1-8-2.

See, now you have an argument.


IMO though this team has got worse instead of better the past couple of years.

I actually like Bertuzzi, a lot, but he has been absolutely horrendous this season. And as edi just said, he's got to realise the refs target him, so he's got to play smarter.

This season? Try 3 seasons.

Given the propensity of many people on these forums to concentrate on the current softness of the team, I interpreted "kick the crap out of" as being a statement referring to the physical toughness of the team.

Not just toughness but pretty much every aspect of the game. Skill, hart, determination, focus, defensive play, etc.

Referencing to a teams that was 14 years ago doesn't make sense. Now if he referenced let's say the 08 team then I would think about it for a minute.

Just wanted to say, back in 96-97 the wings went 5-4-1 their first 10 games as well. Granted, they did not lose 5 straight, but the records did end up the same.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996%E2%80%9397_Detroit_Red_Wings_season

Way different teams. That 97 team would kick the crap out of this current team.

I honestly wonder wtf Franzen was thinking when he tried to squeeze in between the Wild player and goalie on that last penalty. They were making calls against your team all night and you want to try to pull that crap.

Hopefully after this game people stat to realize that Bert is one of the players the Wings must/need to get ride of. He adds nothing meaningful to this team and is exhibit A when needing to point out our lack of consistency, lack of defensive responsibility, horrible turnovers, and just straight out heartless play.

Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Nyquist
Hudler-Filppula-Franzen
Cleary-Helm-Bertuzzi
Holmstrom-Abdelkader/Emmerton-Eaves

All or nothing on the top line. We are going to have a serious problem when mursak is healthy.... i foresee a trade....perhaps for a dman.....

Its just so hard to sit anyone on that lineup other than Emmerton. Unless huds sat. Cleary has been garbage on the top line and its time for that experiment to be over. He is on his ass on the ice all the time when playing against top players.

Personally I would break up all the lines in order to get something going. A Helm-Datsyuk-Franzen line would be something I'd play around with. Helm might not be offensively gifted but all he would need to do is give the puck to Datsyuk.

Awesome. It'll be interesting too see how much it is. He's capable of unbeliavable things but still he's scored over 40 points just once in his career. This contract starts when Kronwall is 31 years old.

He had 51 points in 08-09.

The cap hit is nice but I take it as they are still looking for that one guy to anchor the defenseman once Lidstrom retires. Pretty much a franchise level defenseman and with the cap they are saving I wouldn't doubt if it they find someone.

About this contract I have mixed emotions still. It's an awesome cap hit but Kronwall has only had two seasons in which he played in over 75 games. I guess that might have been why he agreed to this contract. I guess we shall see in 3 or 4 years if his health can hold up over the years.

Well, the issue is, there isn't much Babcock can do with a full healthy roster without some kind of trade.  It's way too early to start talking major shake-up, so he just has to work with what he has, which at the moment isn't (or doesn't seem) too much.  The Wings miss that pure sniper on the first line.

I meant to same lines instead of lineup. As in why did he start the game with the same lines as the last few games and did he change his lines throughout the game?


But you would've thought that Bruno would get one more crack at it before they waived him just to change something. Give Cleary, Hudler, or Flip a game off and let him try with top six minutes.

Have to wonder if the Isles don't just buy his contract out at some point & move on.

Honestly, DiPietro should be the bigger man and retire. It's the least he could do for them since they hung onto him this long.

Kindl is the one that is anchoring the duo IMO so no... he is not at $3M per year level yet.